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Genuinely how did Lucy become popular?

>>279634285 (OP)
I like her eyes.

Can't be that popular if your threads keep dying not even 20% to bump limit despite the fact you make them daily.

>>279634285 (OP)
It's the red makeup around her eyes, it screams danger in a primal way that makes my peepee big when paired with pretty lady.

>>279634285 (OP)
She wants to go to the moon

Remember kids, crime doesn't pay.

>>279634285 (OP)
>get introduced as this stone cold professional
>shit goes sour
>rescuing Dabido from the ambulance turns into this manix pixie dream girl meet-cute that reminds people of Haruhara Haruko
>Shares an intimate moment with Dabido
>Actually she was just buying time while her gang got there
>Dabido manages to talk his way out of getting vivisected
>While trying to make a self-depreciation joke about how he no doubt fell for a routine she does all the time, finds out she's never actually shared that intimate experience with anyone else before him
>gynophiles in the audience: but what if it was me and not dabido?
It's been said that a crucial component of allure is mystery, because when you're second guessing the motive behind everything some does, you're thinking about them. People tend not to think about people they think they've got all figured out, and that extends to fictional characters too.

>>279634327
Well that's no indicator considering pajeets shill One Piece/Boringto shit and other mainstream crap that /a/ used to never tolerate much of in order to slide competing products off the front page and catalog.

>>279634285 (OP)
I can fix her

>>279634327
Projection

>>279634285 (OP)
Her seiyuu.

>>279634411
You kidding?
Crime's the only thing that pays nowadays.
Maybe in the utopian future that is Cyberpunk it doesn't, but it's unrealistic. Sigh.


>how is our system getting worse than CP77 already in so many ways

Juicy Lucy Goosey Duecey.

>>279634285 (OP)
I don't even understand why this show is popular. I read the plot synopsis and they all die, except apparently that bitch in the OP, and that was enough to keep me well away. Why do people enjoy seeing characters they like die miserably and have their corpses plastered on the screen? Weird fucking masochistic kink if you ask me.

>>279635247
Because I AIN'T YOUR AVERAGE SICKO

>>279634411
It does pay, you just have to know when to scale things back a bit or quit.

>>279635247
>Why do people enjoy seeing characters they like die miserably
Ever heard of a "tragedy" in literature?
That's literally what this form of structure is.

A significant amount of stories are like this. It's used by Shakespeare especially, but it's found with the greeks and myths (even the bible) too.

>>279634359
I heard the makeup was based on the red eye shadow worn by geisha. If so, that's a nice visual callback to her past in Arasaka, and more broadly her half-Japanese descent.
I'm curious to know what the rest of her outfit was modeled after. When asked how Lucy took the costume on and off, character designer Yoshinari said he didn't know because he hadn't thought that far ahead.

lol when was she even popular

>>279635247
This thing as old as time called "catharsis".

>>279635452
>Ever heard of a "tragedy" in literature?
>That's literally what this form of structure is.
Yes, and the same question applies to it.
>A significant amount of stories are like this. It's used by Shakespeare especially, but it's found with the greeks and myths (even the bible) too.
Yes, I know. That's exactly the point, why are there so many masochists in the world?

>>279635534
You want to be hurt so that you can heal afterwards? Fucking weird.

>>279634327
If your basing popularity off 4chan threads your retarded

>>279635708
No. We want to see the characters to experience the highs, lows, the extremes and make it through the other side (or fall short in a tragic manner). Act as our release valves. In doing so we experience what we cannot in our daily lives, but from a safe remove. I feel like I'm explaining this to an alien.

>>279635821
You might as well be, because I don't get it. I understand wanting to see success, happiness, and all the other highs in fiction. The point of fiction is that it doesn't have to be realistic, it can be positive, fulfilling and satisfying. Why the fuck would I want to see failure, death and suffering? I could just watch the news if I wanted to experience that.

>>279635247
Your death being significant is a fantasy unto itself. In Cyberpunk, the context for that fantasy is that you're going to die in a ditch somewhere no matter what you do if you are unwilling or incapable of becoming a soulless corporate husk, so you might as well go ought making the world just a little bit better for even a single person, and/or ruin the lives of a few corpo sellouts in the process.
David died shiny and chrome in a grand performance that humiliated both Arasaka and Millitech, he ensured that the woman he loves who is an escaped lab rat won't just fall back into the hands of her abusers who see her as a mere property investment, and he created a legend that will inspire further resistance. And to the very end, when confronted with an opportunity to sell out and cheat death if he would just throw aside whatever he believes in and become a corporate slave, he says 'fuck that just shoot me ya soulless bitch'
We can only hope that if we are ever put in a similar position of choosing between death and pure evil, we too can have the bravery to choose death and spit in the face of the powers that be

>>279635984
You wrote a lot and all I got was "you see, the show is unenjoyable, miserable garbage because the setting demands unenjoyable miserable garbage".

If the show goes as you described and I had actually watched it I would probably be booking a flight to poland to slap some writers in the face.

>>279635892
The idea is that rather than suffering being brutish, nasty, swift and ultimately pointless (as in our world), the suffering that a fictional character is put through has some greater meaning to it. The writer sees to that.
Personally I'm not averse to happy and positive settings, although I tend toward somewhat grim stories. There's a time and a place for both kinds of stories, they each have their respective target audiences.

>>279636051
sucks to be you then. Being phobic to negative emotions won't spare you from them

>>279635984
Anon the implication is not as inspiring as you might think. David's a cautionary tale, and you saw what the fruits of his reputation were while he was still alive -- that poor kid Julio got suckered into the edgerunner life thinking he could be David too someday and he ended up a red stain on the wall after tripping a bomb.

>>279636153
yeah he didn't have luck on his side and he got splatted. But avoiding the cyberpunk life wouldn't have reduced his risk of getting splatting. Anyone can get splatted at any time for any reason, so living life with your raison d'etre being "I don't want to get splatted" is a futile endeavor. So once "I want to live to a ripe old age and die of natural causes surrounded by loved ones" is just not possible, what is the best way to live life then?

>>279636079
A fictional character can have greater meaning without suffering a brutish, nasty or swift death at all.

>>279636116
See, that's my point exactly. That's about word for word something that I could see a masochist writing. "Real life is going to hurt you; you'll get in accidents, you'll contract a disease, you'll grow old and develop chronic pain, you'll eat something bad and have cramps for a week. Pain is a part of life, so instead of avoiding it, you should embrace it. Don't run away from it, run towards it. Hurt yourself on purpose so that you can develop a deeper understanding of it".

I really don't get you people. Yes, I understand negative emotions and pain, probably better than most people. And therefore I understand perfectly well how I would be better off not experiencing any additional pain and suffering. I can't avoid the pain of real life, but I can avoid the pain of fiction.

>>279634285 (OP)
This show truly is one of a kind. People don't even talk about the game anymore, but Edgerunners will live on.

>>279634285 (OP)
stop falling for evil women

>>279636306
Yes, but in the same vein that life can be "positive and satisfying", there are too many negative aspects to count. Art imitates life. If you leave these out then people get bored, maybe they can't experience that "catharsis" thing, they want some spice in their fiction. It also is worth mentioning that even in pessimistic or grim fiction, the decay and suffering presented is idealized in its own way.

>>279636410
But becca is eviler

>>279634285 (OP)
I don't think she's popular anymore. I don't get the hype for her.

>>279636522
Based Kiwi enthusiast.

>>279636414
Art doesn't have to imitate all aspects of life. Everyone dies in this world, but characters in stories can actually be happy. That's not to say that there shouldn't be any challenge or conflict, but that's exactly what makes the emotional payoff of success so much sweeter. Edgerunners doesn't provide that, it just makes me upset and annoyed. That is, despite me not having seen the show, just knowing that the characters all die is sufficient to make me mad.

People can seek thrills however they like, I'm not going to stop you from free soloing K2 if you think that's the only way you can feel alive. I can understand on an intellectual level why you'd do it, but I don't really find it a good idea.

>>279636574
>Art doesn't have to imitate all aspects of life.
I didn't say it did.
>Everyone dies in this world, but characters in stories can actually be happy.
Yes, that's right.
>That is, despite me not having seen the show, just knowing that the characters all die is sufficient to make me mad.
Right...
You can like what you like, anon. All I'm saying is that enjoying something like Oedipus Rex doesn't make you a twisted sadist, nor does writing such a work cast aspersions on your moral character.
If you are really stumped as to why others feel this way, I have only one suggestion: look up a few interviews from Yoshiyuki Tomino. I don't have any specific ones to point to, but he is a creator who is infamous for pulling these sorts of endings. He's also stated many times why he chooses to set stories amid war and strife and plunge his characters into vortexes of suffering. If you just read his interviews you won't have to sit through his work either.

>>279634285 (OP)
Is she?

>>279636306
its not a matter of running towards it.
masochism implies relishing in pain for its own sake. the point of tragedy is contextualizing pain, and the fictional pain resonating with the pain of the audience to counteract both the alienation of pain, and also the easily pathologized behavior patter of prioritizing moment to moment the path of least resistance even in the cases where that will just result in more pain and suffering for yourself.
Furthermore, an unwillingness to engage with pain can result in a person completely unsympathetic to other people, because thinking and feeling about their problems feels bad, this cultivates a knee-jerk response where anything and everything that makes you feel bad evokes a staunch rejection response. This person is opening up to you about how shit their life is, you gotta be able to sit with that unpleasantness to empathize with them and let them keep opening up rather than shutting them down and saying "I don't want to talk about this"

>>279636682
>I didn't say it did.
>Yes, that's right.
>Right...
Great that we agree. Now we can just put away the tragedy garbage and enjoy happy stories.
>You can like what you like, anon. All I'm saying is that enjoying something like Oedipus Rex doesn't make you a twisted sadist, nor does writing such a work cast aspersions on your moral character.
I don't know what Oedipus Rex is. I'm not questioning their moral character, I'm just kink shaming them. People who enjoy tragic stories like to pretend that they're not diving straight in to pain, willingly and decisively, and yet claim to be normal right after. I find it weird as fuck.

>If you are really stumped as to why others feel this way, I have only one suggestion: look up a few interviews from Yoshiyuki Tomino. I don't have any specific ones to point to, but he is a creator who is infamous for pulling these sorts of endings. He's also stated many times why he chooses to set stories amid war and strife and plunge his characters into vortexes of suffering. If you just read his interviews you won't have to sit through his work either.
If he's a creator who's infamous for writing these sorts of endings, then I want to have nothing to do with him whatsoever. Like I said, just reading about what happens in Edgerunners was enough to make me want to strangle the writers, and I don't need more people to hate.

>>279636574
Art is inspired by experience. What you're saying is tantamount to saying nobody that has experienced pain should make art that expressed those experiences. And your justification for this is nothing more than "thinking about it makes me mad"

>>279636792
So you don't like simple pain, you like elaborate pain. How intellectual and mature of you.
>Furthermore, an unwillingness to engage with pain can result in a person completely unsympathetic to other people, because thinking and feeling about their problems feels bad, this cultivates a knee-jerk response where anything and everything that makes you feel bad evokes a staunch rejection response. This person is opening up to you about how shit their life is, you gotta be able to sit with that unpleasantness to empathize with them and let them keep opening up rather than shutting them down and saying "I don't want to talk about this"
If there were fewer people whose life was shit around me, I would definitely be much happier overall. People like that exist and they need support, and I can in fact give them support. But, why would I go around looking for more people with shit lives? I don't find it an enjoyable experience. WIth fictional stories, I have a choice. I can go looking for people who don't have shit lives instead of people that do.

>>279636797
I'm afraid that, irrespective of your understanding (or misunderstanding) of the function of tragic works, their audience makes up a pretty large portion of the human race. At which point it stops being a "kink", as you put it wrongly, since this has almost nothing to do with sexual stimulation.

Also, how do you not know the old tragic play of Oedipus? You just sound like a troll at this point.

>>279636861
If making art that expresses those painful experiences helps you deal with the pain, go for it. I just don't see why I'd want to see it.

This nigga has never eaten anything spicier than mayonnaise in his life

>>279637066
t. Beccy enjoyer.

>>279634285 (OP)
>Just a fyi that Lucy is a groomer

>>279636908
>So you don't like simple pain, you like elaborate pain.
Maybe this will clear up a misunderstanding. The pain from experiencing fiction isn't as real as experiencing pain in your own life, because you can just turn the video off and walk away at any time. The 4th wall creates a safe space to explore things where the only consequence for the audience is your own mood.
>I can go looking for people who don't have shit lives instead of people that do.
this still boils down to a declaration that the stories of people who lead shit lives are unworthy of being told, that people should just close their eyes and sleep through everything that doesn't impact them personally.
and it's not like I only consume tragedies. I enjoy a happy ending as much as the next bloke, but multiple times in my life watching just the right kind of tragedy at incredibly low points gave me both the catharsis and context to paint a clear image of what I needed to do to make things better.
Not to mention, part of the whole appeal of fiction is it gets to not be about you and your feelings and your problems, and instead you get to see the world through the eyes of others and get their perspectives. Even if you don't agree with them in the end its still broadening your horizons and offering you new ways to look at things

>>279636919
Ad populum has never held much sway over me. A massive portion of the human race does stupid shit all the time, despite it being clearly irrational, reckless, or downright stupid. But I do have a sneaking suspicion that people simply don't know what they want.

Let me give you an example, a lot of the time people make fun of me for intentionally looking at plot spoilers and the ending of a story before investing in it. I enjoy the story more that way. And then, I discovered a study that showed that in a controlled trial, people rated a story they experienced as more enjoyable if they knew the major plot points beforehand. Yet they still insist that spoiling a story is bad.

In the same vein, I've put a question to people that claim they enjoy tragedies. In the case of Edgerunners, I ask them if they would enjoy the story more, or less, if Becca had survived. Most of the time they say that they would enjoy it more. I know that this isn't scientific or anything, but I suspect that most people don't enjoy tragic stories because of the tragedy, they enjoy them despite it.

>>279637269
>ywn be groomed by a femme fatale into a gigachad

>>279636919
>>279637314
>279637333
>279636797
>279636908
>279636792

What is going on with this thread?
I just said it was a tragedy and now I come back to see this autism in the thread, not even with me.
I just came here to post Lucy...

>>279637446
I can't speak for anyone else but I'm just drunk and feeling chatty

>>279637446
There's one dedicated schizo autist who ALWAYS invades any thread saying that anime should never have anything that resembles "negative" feelings and everything should be happy happy rainbow sparkles.

>>279637314
To me the pain is quite real. It's not as intense, but it is still the same emotion. When a character I like dies, I feel genuine sorrow. Much more than many real life events. Recently, a plane crashed in India, with one survivor. It was sad. Did I feel much emotion over it, though? Not really. Way less emotion than when Kamina died. Walking away doesn't really help, I still hate Gurren Lagann after all these years.

I'm the opposite. The more tragedy I personally experience, the more I hate tragic stories. Yeah, I would probably be happier if the stories of people who lead shit lives were never told.

>>279637505
I know the one.
I just... sorta just let him go.
I don't know if he's just trolling, but I suspect he just likes baiting.

>>279637515
>Yeah, I would probably be happier if the stories of people who lead shit lives were never told.
do you at least get how inhumane that sounds? That all people have to do to invalidate your experiences is inflict even more suffering upon you until people just like you don't want to touch it

maybe you should stick with conflict free CGDCT anime?

>>279637653
We're talking about fictional characters.

For me, it's Kiwi.

>>279637749
Are you asking me, the OP?

>>279635247
Spotted a newfag. You wouldn't have survived the stuff from the 80s and 90s.

>>279634411
david just didn't know when to quit

>>279637791
most publicly accessible experiences are expressed via fictional characters

>>279635247
most people dont spoil themselves before watching something, like autistic retards.

>>279639050
I would have just learned to avoid tragedy much earlier.

>>279639459
And each of those characters that a writer creates adds a small amount of misery into the world that has more than enough of it already.

Trigger saved Lucy. In the original draft she was a more typical femme fatale, but Trigger rewrote her into a yandere.

>>279639592
>yandere
Do you even know what this word means?

>>279639562
If a writer were to, say, interview a whole bunch of hawaians, and from those interviews construct a bunch of composite characters through which to compose a narrative describing an inter-generational narrative about how the colonization and adjacent tourist exploitation as well as the militarist context in which that happened and how it dehumanized the common folk among the population and eroded their traditional heritage and culture and benefited only the colonists,
you would say such a work has no right to exist and nobody should find it compelling, because it would make you, personally, feel slightly worse than you already do, and that's something you can't tolerate, so nobody should have access to such a work, let alone find it compelling
that's what your rhetoric reinforces

>>279639791
I wouldn't say that it shouldn't exist. I'd just say that I don't see how anyone would enjoy exploring that story and that I'd be happier if it didn't exist.

The Blu-Rays are finally out, thank God

>>279640574
>I wouldn't say that it shouldn't exist.
>I'd be happier if it didn't exist.
those statements are contradictory. To be happier if something didn't exist is to declare with your soul that it would be better if it didn't exist.
It would be one thing if you said "such things have a place, but they are not for me and I would not watch them"
but instead you leapt straight to "I'd be happier if they didn't exist"
you claimed to care about the misfortune of people other than yourself, but now you've gone and claimed you would be happier if works based on the experiences of people more misfortunate than you did not exist.
Maybe you can explain it to me,
in what way do you meaningfully care about other people that lets you reconcile never wanting to see, hear, or smell anything that makes you fell bad

>>279641166
That's not true, there is no contradiction. For example, I don't consume any intoxicants, be it alcohol, soft drugs or hard drugs, but I don't judge people for doing that shit either. If that's how they want to live their life, that's their business. But would I be happier if drugs didn't exist? Probably yeah.

I would be happy if tragic works didn't exist, yes. I would be happier still if the people on whose experiences those tragic works are based hadn't experienced those tragedies at all.

>>279637211
If you don't love her at her flattest then you don't deserve her at her best

>>279639627
She was overprotective of David and killed hackers and scientists to try to keep him safe. She was at least a soft yandere.

>>279640596
When are out outside of japan?

>>279641742
nobody capable of love would come back to 4chan day in and day out

>>279640574
>I'd just say that I don't see how anyone would enjoy exploring that story
So just say you have a hard time understanding how most people think and go play with your rubber ducky, Suwa-kun.
This is an open recommendation for Game Club by the way. Everyone drop what you're doing and go read it NOW.

>>279641851
や、やられた...

>>279634285 (OP)
White haired girls are just the best

The night when this anime dropped and I watched it all was great. Trigger is so good

>>279642205
I don't really have a problem understanding how most people think. Let me demonstrate:
>Nooo my team lost big mad
>Aw yiss beer
>Ooh chad so handsome I want him to rail me
>Car go fast so cool
>I saw a sad image of a drowned brownie, I'm pro immigration now
>Those guys on the other side of the border/aisle THEY'RE LITERALLY FUCKING NAZIS/WOKE AND EVERYTHING THEY DO IS EVIL/STUPID

How close am I?

>>279642346
Seeing as how these are all caricatures, it seems like you only understand others on a surface level. Granted you're being facetious

David was better before he went gorilla chrome

>>279641833
No.

She's voiced by that one bitch whose in everything

>>279642426
Paris is on fire because a team lost or won, and LA is on fire because orange man bad. I think a large part of it is sadly quite accurate.

>>279642826
English is the default of Edgerunners. The dialogue uses world language

>>279634411
this happened next

>>279642852
Both her English and Japanese VAs voice Shuten. I haven't heard Shuten in English though.

>>279635247
I generally don't like character deaths in long running thing or when the author baits you into thinking it's not that kind of story and and/or is obviously doing it for shock value, but here you really know from the start it's going to be a tragic thing and they are all going to be dead by the end. You are watching it to see how it unfolds

>>279643258
You can't post that.

>>279642346
>I don't really have a problem understanding how most people think. Let me demonstrate:
>/pol/shit
You're a little off.

>>279643294
When was Shuten voiced outside of the gacha?

Are you still alright?

>>279643318
I guess that's something. I just don't care to see how their deaths unfold. If anything, I want to stay further away, because the better I know the characters, the more their death is going to suck, and the more I'm going to hate the writers for creating the story and myself for putting myself through it. And that can't be healthy.

Which is a good reason to seek spoilers beforehand so I can avoid the suck.

>>279643384
You must be trolling because I clearly think both sides are equally retarded.

>>279643391
Fate/Grand Carnival, I think?

>>279643461
>both sides
You're way off.

An insider says s2 is about Trauma team

>>279643490
You really think that there isn't a clear schism in the world right now? Most people are clearly tribalistic, convinced that their chosen team is good and the other teams are bad.

>>279643493
That inside source? My rectum.

>>279636574
>it just makes me upset and annoyed.
>just knowing that the characters all die is sufficient to make me mad
Have you tried not being an easily triggered little bitch?

>>279643541
>other teams
Other team. That's what "both sides" means. There's two, that's it. No, I'm not going to let you walk it back now. And you're being dismissive of what both those sides, however many there are, actually think, just treating it all as pure tribalism and nothing else. >>279642426 got it in one.
I'm not going to give you more (You)s, because I don't think I'm going to get anything else out of this, but no, you're mistaken, you have a very big problem understanding how most people think.

>>279642243
why is she making that face?

>>279643823
She's jealous Debido is giving attention to other girls

>>279643627
Yeah, and I succeeded. Now I don't feel the need to conform to everyone's shit tastes.

>>279643723
Yeah, there are two teams. Them and everyone else.

>>279643859
Her assailant? Me.

>>279643942
>Yeah, and I succeeded
The fact you read the entire plot synopsis of things before you watch them to prevent being triggered proves otherwise

man Maomao got a makeover

>>279644074
Yeah, to ensure I'm not wasting my time with garbage I'm not going to enjoy.

>>279644099
You mean to prevent getting mad and upset, aka being triggered

>>279643952
debido would never hurt russy

>>279644129
Of course I'd be mad and upset if I wasted my time with garbage I didn't enjoy.

>>279634285 (OP)
I was actually watching a few episodes of this last night since I've been playing CP2077 and playing some CPRED as of late. They put me in that mood.
>>279643318
It's based on cyberpunk. You can die really easily in that game. You might not know that going into the anime, but I don't think anyone who was clued into the genre thought the whole crew was going to make it to the end. Rebecca's death still hurts.

>>279643318
This entire scene was a massive fucking death flag, it should have been really obvious you were watching a tragedy

>>279644159
Go watch moeshit faggot

>>279637333
>And then, I discovered a study that showed that in a controlled trial, people rated a story they experienced as more enjoyable if they knew the major plot points beforehand.
1. Most stories are designed to cue the reader in on what happens in advance. Foreshadowing is as old as storytelling itself.
2. Some stories will even explicitly show the tragedy awaiting its characters.
3. Thence comes dramatic irony, as the audience is now painfully aware of what awaits the unwitting characters, but can only watch them march toward their fate.

Watching people struggle against fate, win or lose, is gratifying for a number of reasons. They've been listed ITT.

But in all honesty this is like trying to argue the merits of pumpkin cake with someone who can't stand the taste of pumpkin cake and never will. This has little to do with reasoning and everything to do with deeply ingrained preferences. If you have made it to adulthood and (somehow) have held onto this view then there's not much I can do to change your mind.

>Ya gonna go screaming ovah de egdge
Kino character, lines and voice acting. Drop you faggot persona and watch it in english as well.

>>279634285 (OP)

IDK, Rebecca is ten times the woman Lucy is even though Rebecca herself is a certified slut too. Sorry, was.

>>279644172
See, that's interesting. Kind of makes me feel like you don't actually enjoy tragedy if you have to prepare yourself when it happens.

>>279644354
What kind of autism would cause a comment like this?

Kiwichads unite!

>>279644270
The study was not about foreshadowing, but actual explicit spoilers. Let me link you the article I was referring to:
https://www.universityofcalifornia.edu/news/spoiler-alert-spoilers-make-you-enjoy-stories-more

I agree with your points, knowing ahead of time what's going to happen makes a story more enjoyable. But not absolutely enjoyable, as I've discovered. There is no way you could ever convince me that a tragic story is good.

I don't think your analogy was entirely accurate, I think it's more like NTR fans explaining their fetish to a person who isn't a cuck.
>No you see when you see the bull railing your wife it's like the dramatic irony of the human condition in the microcosm of your bedroom, cuckoldry is the thinking man's fetish you understand, you're just too unintelligent to grasp it. And too much of a bitch to deal with it. Also you don't like pumpkin cake.
A lot of normal people are perfectly happy with a bit of cheating or ntr in their media. Take notting hill for example, the character portrayed by julia roberts is cheating on her current guy by being with the bookseller dude in the beginning. Normies think it's a masterpiece. You could try explaining why it's good, but I'm still going to hate the movie.

It's actually funny that you mention it, because when I was younger I could more easily deal with tragic stories. Never particularly enjoyed them, mind you, but I could tolerate them. I did finish TTGL, Code Geass and similar shows. If I were picking them up right now, I would be reading plot spoilers and not even picking them up in the first place. It was only much later that I actually started hating them, probably within the last decade or so. I'm 37 now.

>>279644594
No.

>>279644354
I mean, does it though? You can enjoy spicy food, but you are allowed to be surprised or upset when you didn't expect that, especially something not normally spicy. It's one thing to go for a chili and another is someone putting reaper into a cake and not telling you because wouldn't it be funny.

>>279634285 (OP)
>Super loyal hot asian/slav GF
Why wouldn't she be?

Lucy in the moon!

>>279644846
No, you're right. Knowing what's going to happen can make a tragedy more tolerable, because then you can prepare yourself mentally and emotionally distance yourself from the characters, lessening the impact of the tragedy.

It's just that the reasoning goes against the ideas presented ITT. The negative emotional impact should be the strongest when you don't expect it, correct? Therefore, the so-called "catharsis" would also be stronger as a consequence, no? So if you go in a tragic story expecting a tragedy, you lose some of what people suggest is the enjoyable thing in a tragic miserywank story, right?

For me, it's Kiwi and Mama Martinez because I love older women. I'd love an spinoff where we see Gloria in action working for Maine.

>>279634285 (OP)
Lol, this FOTM garbage is already 3 years old.

>>279643258
Waste of a good onahole.

>>279644751
>when I was younger I could more easily deal with tragic stories. Never particularly enjoyed them, mind you, but I could tolerate them.
This kind of heel turn is actually pretty common judging from what anons have said over the years. The "grizzly manime enjoyer to iyashikei moe SOL fan" pipeline is not just a meme, lots of people simply lose the stomach for darker works of fiction as they get older.
>>279645235
>The negative emotional impact should be the strongest when you don't expect it, correct?
It really depends.

>>279635247
The fuck? Why would you read the synopsis before watching? You can reduce any story to a single sentence and make it look stupid. Execution matters.
>Jesus walks arouns and talks shit, then dies, comes back to life and then flies where the dead go anyway
>Romeo and Juliet die
>he was his father lmao
>so the robots get bigger and bigger until they defeat the glitch nigger alien
>germans conquer france, but then lose it and their own country
>Julian and Ricky try to do illegal shit and go to jail again
>the nazis used the mindfuck catboy to kill the devil, but he doesn't die anyway
>the spaceship flies through some shit and there are talking monkey on earth
Are you genuinely retarded?

>>279645546
I can only speak for myself, of course, but my theory is that as people grow older, they will have had more opportunities to experience the actual darker emotions that life throws at you, so they have no desire to explore them in works of fiction.

>It really depends
Again, I can only speak for myself, but I've experienced many a death in the family and the sudden ones always hit the hardest.

>>279645686
Why are you assuming I only read short synopses? No my dude, I read fully detailed plot spoilers of the entire story.

>>279644168
the cyberpunk 2077 shtick is there are no good ends in night city and thats what the anime is also about

>>279645737
My point stands. Execution matters. You wanna read, read a book, not an anime description.

>>279636089
It says a lot about the female brain that it's only attractive when it's malfunctioning.

>>279645806
It really doesn't, to me. If the story has elements that I dislike, I'm not going to waste my time with it. And there's no better way to find that out than by reading plot synopses with full spoilers. As an added benefit, if I do decide to pick up a story after reading the spoilers, I will then enjoy the story more as I know what's going to happen.

>>279645906
you sound severely autistic
do whatever you want, no cheese off my dick

>>279645737
you know full well that even the most detailed plot summary is no replacement for actually watching the damn thing yourself

>>279645947
Really? Most people enjoy a story more if they know what's going to happen, and I just have more strict criteria on what I find enjoyable. I for example don't like rape/ntr/cheating in my romance stories, so I check beforehand if such themes are present before picking up a mango.

>>279645991
Riddle me this: why would I go and watch the damn thing myself when I know ahead of time that I'm going to hate it and watching the damn thing myself would turn my life for the worse?

>>279645235
holy fucking autism, so this is what the kind of brainlet that spasms about spoilers is thinking about

Night City is a shithole that eats people alive. the game failed because somehow it manages to make the city just look like a normal-ass city. Then again normal cities also eat people alive. You're only really free if you join the Nomads and live in the wasteland instead of submitting to Corpo tyranny, or if you're the 1% of the 1% who manage to MAKE IT and go to the Moon to rob a casino

>>279647191
>Then again normal cities also eat people alive.
Move out of your American/3rd world shithole and stop whining

>>279634285 (OP)

She didn't. Rebecca took ALL of her thunder was clearly the fan favorite character from the series.

>>279644168
That beefcake body on Lucy is hot

>>279647130
Did you have a point you were trying to make, or are you just impotently flinging shit?

>>279636410
>>a mature woman who teaches you bad things
Trigger knew their assignment and delivered well

Lucy on the moon!

>>279635034
>how is our system getting worse than CP77 already in so many ways
This is the ultimate irony of so much 20th century dystopian fiction/ideas in general.
We've managed to make a lot of it look like relatively better outcomes kek.

>>279635708
Think about it this way rather than thinking people are masochists.
Everything is relative, feelings and experiences included.
It's not masochism to broaden the scope and range of fictional experiences.

>>279636051
NTA, but it's incredibly enjoyable to consume fiction that can actually illicit strong emotions or make you think.

>>279649737
>Think about it this way rather than thinking people are masochists.
I think it's a pretty accurate comparison though. People enjoy being in pain, the difference being that instead of physical pain it's emotional anguish. And I could easily make the case of the latter being worse than the former.
>Everything is relative, feelings and experiences included.
Sure, obviously it's not going to be as uncomfortable an emotion to see your favourite character die if you're comparing it to trying to resuscitate your little brother who intentionally OD'd on opiates. I can speak from personal experience. But it is ultimately the same kind of emotion, just less intense. I consider the emotion wholly undesirable in any amount.
>It's not masochism to broaden the scope and range of fictional experiences.
I don't see a difference. The emotions that fictional works can evoke are as real as anything else. A plane just crashed in India a couple of days ago, killing hundreds. How many tears did you shed over their deaths? How many tears have you shed over a fictional character dying?

What actually makes a difference in how intense the emotion is, is how well you know the people involved, and spending potentially hours with a fictional character can make you far more attached to them than a number from half the world away.

>>279649836
Oh absolutely, if those emotions are positive. Enjoying being in emotional anguish just makes you a weird masochist in my eyes.

>>279647409
piss yourself

>>279634285 (OP)
She's a cool oneesan, like seriously cool. And that hand thing on the moon was lethal. If I were David, I'd be completely smitten as well.

>>279646088
>people are arguing with this autist in good faith
lmao

>>279642233
give me the source of i'll kill myself

>>279651585
Autists arguing with each other.

>>279651599
Lmao
https://x.com/223__12/status/1928959658242228719

>>279651687
thanks

I miss lucyposting

>>279651970
Imagine what could've been if it stuck around long enough to involve Songbird

>>279651585
What exactly did you find so autistic about that post?

>>available on ebay for $374
Jesus christ. How expensive is it to make the merchandise that they seem so reluctant to market them?

>>279635785
>your basing
>your retarded

>>279652015
I need a manipulative plastic korean gf

I tend to avoid tragedies myself, but they are impactful if well-done, so I do have some favorites. I need to space out the ones I watch to fully appreciate and recover from each, but I can see the appeal.

Spoiling yourself on every story just to avoid sad ones, OTOH, is peak pleb behavior. Fuck your study, you can rewatch a story all you want, but you can only experience it for the first time ONCE. Why would you ruin that for yourself at every opportunity? It's like letting every meal go cold before eating it just to be safe, except worse.

>>279645235
Surprise can heighten the impact, sure. But in practice what you often get is suspense, rather than outright surprise. Stories tend to build toward a possible sad ending before it happens (or doesn't), so you can experience hope, fear, tension, uncertainty, and cope along the way before it arrives at relief or grief. That's entertainment. That's art. That is, if you don't thoroughly spoil yourself first.

>>279636561
I wanna plap Kiwi.
Think she was getting plapped on that team? By who? Pilar?

>>279651970
I miss IRC. Shit.
It's unusable now, though. Blows.

>>279654044
>I tend to avoid tragedies myself
Based
>but they are impactful if well-done
They sure are, and I want to avoid that impact like the plague.
>I need to space out the ones I watch to fully appreciate and recover from each, but I can see the appeal.
Right. When I read Orion I promptly went to the volume 1 I had purchased back in the day and ripped it apart. As each day passes, my hate towards the series and the author only grows. Maybe my recovery time is just extensively long, like a century or so?
>Why would you ruin that for yourself at every opportunity?
Because one, I enjoy stories more that way and two, it's the best way to ensure that I don't accidentally stick my dick in wood chipper again. I don't need more things to hate. Why wouldn't I take extra 10 minutes to read up spoilers on a story when I have only benefits for doing so?

>Stories tend to build toward a possible sad ending before it happens (or doesn't), so you can experience hope, fear, tension, uncertainty, and cope along the way before it arrives at relief or grief.
I don't want to feel half of those things.
>That's entertainment. That's art.
It's not entertaining, it's enraging. If that's what your definition of art is, you can keep it.

>>279653149
Dumb cunt made her own bed when she tried to lie to me and kill me. Do not feel mercy about protecting myself after that bullshit.

>>279639050
what would have happened to david if he let becca pick him up after seeing lucy disappear with Pilar?

Becky sex.

>>279654777
Checked.

>>279635534
Isn't that what Tomino said for the reasons of his works to keep him from choosing the other thing he wanted to be...a serial killer?

She big.

>>279654777
Lucky 7s.

>>279634285 (OP)
Because people love pixie manic gfs

>>279654777
By the power of trips, Becca is now revived

>>279644295
>watch it in english as well
Why would people who speak english watch this show in japanese dub? I mean it takes place in america wouldn't it be more immersive if you hear characters speak english?
>inb4 muh spanish
Night city canonically is an english speaking city

>>279656346
my wife

>>279643422
I will never EVER forget this scene

>>279659986
I have never EVER seen that scene and I don't want to, either.

>>279635034
>You kidding?
>Crime's the only thing that pays nowadays.
I life in a crime ridden shithole. I can see how you and many weak minded individuals think that. the fact is that loads of those doent even reach 50's or 40's because they are getting whacked before that.
The constant wars and conflicts for territory had left them, in such state that they have to fool desperate unemployed people to fatten their ranks because the influx of GTA MC wannabes is almost empty. So, yeah, crime can give you a quick buck, make you the big shot of your neighborhood, but those things arent meant to last. many such cases, like tens or even hundreds of thousands cases.
So be quick to get a buck, post it on your social media, because in a decade or 2 it will be the only photos that your family will have, because they will not get the privilege of a decent burial because you will be in some hole on some gopd forgotten land rotting away.

I really hope anon made it

Ey esse california is still california and it'd be loco to expect them all to start speaking Japanese just cuz the Arasaka built a tower there. Corporate choombas just slot a chip that automatically converts all the words coming outta their mouth in to Japanese even if they no hablo.

>>279660887
I member this anon. Damn. Where's trauma team anon when we needed him?

>>279643422
That episode made me more tense than watching Uncut Gems. What a fucking brilliant episode.

>>279653149
And the only things she needs are WIRES AND CHAINS (I'm just tired of looking the other way)

>i want to go to the moon
>the moon is fucking empty
???

>>279661563
can't let a little bit of hope go un-extinguished

>>279634327
4chan isn't even popular to advertise on it. We're just a very small community. You shouldn't even take it seriously

>>279634327
Where were you new nigger when we had 24/7 threads for 6 months straight

You guys gonna check out their collab with Wuthering Waves?

>>279662040
>tits that big
not my Rucy

I miss the daily threads. Shit was preem.

>>279662192
better than long neck Lucy

>>279662502
>that AIslop
JESUS MY EYES

Aditionally big titty Lucy.
>>279662560
That's what I was thinking, looking at it now. I downloaded it back on October 8th of 2022, shortly after the anime was released. At that time, local image gen was a thing, but it was hot off the shelf, and few people (if any) were popping out hot slop at the time. I'm surprised there was even a lora that could pump her out back then.

I don't think online image gen was trained on specific anime stuff, let alone a new Netflix anime, so the fact that this thing existed when it did is a mystery to me.

>>279662843
>posting the edited version

>>279663015
Objectively better

>>279635892
go watch nothing but SoL for the rest of your life then. most people seek a thrilling, and moving experience when they watch fiction, which might often include a tragic ending, as some stories are written in a way that leaves no other logical outcome, and a cheap "everything got solved somehow lol" can ruin an otherwise great story.

Will you play Lucy in Guilty Gear Strive?

>>279634285 (OP)
No clue. The real question is why did David drop the fucking prize that was Rebecca? Stop chroming up and take her advice, they could have had an incredibly good life together. Someone who ACTUALLY loved him. Loved him enough to die for him, all the while Lucy distanced herself after David's mentor goes psycho and basically leaves David to follow in those footsteps. Shit waifu.

>>279634285 (OP)
High-cut leotard magic.

>>279664618
I don't play Guilty Gear Strive, I only listen to the music.

>>279664596
Why would I watch noting but SoL / CGDCT when there's plenty of good action, fantasy, mystery, comedy and romance to explore? Just because a story isn't ruined with tragedy or a depressing, unsatisfying ending, doesn't mean that it's uneventful SoL. I can get thrilled without making me feel like I want to strangle the writers.

>as some stories are written in a way that leaves no other logical outcome, and a cheap "everything got solved somehow lol" can ruin an otherwise great story.
Then they shouldn't be written in that way. What a silly thing to say. "If you construct a slide that leads you straight to a shredder, you can't avoid sliding into a shredder!!" Mate. Don't build a slide that leads people into a shredder.

>>279664751
>The real question is why did David drop the fucking prize that was Rebecca?
Because Lucy got to him first. I'd started to put together a whole fanfiction about it with an alternate timeline. I may pick it back up at some point, but I need to go back and clean stuff up. Narratively, Rebecca lost to Lucy the moment Lucy and David went on their picksocketing date and had that ambulance ride that ended with them on the moon.
>But she betrays David at the end of the moon date!
Yes, but also, the culmination of events for that day really stuck with David. Early bird gets the worm kinda deal.

>>279660887
Just another legend for the next 4channer
What should his drink be called?

>>279634285 (OP)
is she? i mostly just see rebecca posting

>>279664932
you have a very strange concept of happy ending = satisfying sad ending = unsatisfying. are you sure you are old enough to post here? lol
what matters in determining how satisfying the ending to a story is, is how well executed it is, and how well it follows the story it is supposed to end. naturally, a happy ending is fine for a light hearted action or mystery show, and if you can find ultimately light hearted action to be thrilling, then that's good for you, but for a lot of people, higher stakes are needed, and with a darker world in which the characters face life or death situations, and in which mistakes have a very high cost, comes a certain situation.
either the characters can make no mistakes, making them unrealistic, for it is human to err. or the characters can get miraculously saved by the plot, which is fine every once in a while, but becomes rather irritating when it happens repeatedly. or, the more virtuous option, the author can make the characters face the consequences of their own actions, even if it results in their deaths.
this shouldn't change at the conclusion of a story, if the characters actions haven't been conductive to a happy ending, then there shouldn't be one. also, if within the rules of the fictional world, there isn't the possibility of a happy ending, a bittersweet ending will feel far more satisfying for the reader, rather than having the author twist the rules of the world just to give the story a happy ending (which unfortunately often happens)
as to why people would want to read such a story? because its interesting, why else?
ultimately, your critique of stories having anything other than happy endings, feels much a like guy who perfectly enjoys his food without any spices, wondering why people put spices on theirs.
if you can be happy with light hearted wordlbuilding, or find satisfactory for an author to twist the rules of his own world, then that's good for you, but do not presume its the same for the rest of us.

>>279657503
Beccasaurus vs Becky Smasher.

>>279665789
awww shieeet, right in the feels

>>279635247
Either quite respectably subtle bait or you're genuinely some kind of autist that just cannot grasp feelings that normal people naturally feel.

>>279642346
>devolves into schizoid /pol/ rambling
Ah, so you're just genuinely that autistic. Of course someone who mocks the deaths of innocents would be unable to understand tragedy.

You're missing parts of your psyche that make you truly human. You are subhuman, if you will.

>>279666012
>you have a very strange concept of happy ending = satisfying sad ending = unsatisfying. are you sure you are old enough to post here?
Funny that you should say that, because when I was younger and tried so hard to appear a mature adult, I could tolerate depressing miserywank stories a lot better. Now that I'm 37 years old I give zero shits whether I appear immature because of my preferences.
>what matters in determining how satisfying the ending to a story is, is how well executed it is, and how well it follows the story it is supposed to end.
No. It depends on how happy it is. Whether is logically, artistically, or thematically consistent is irrelevant. A sad story is a shit story, end of line.
>naturally, a happy ending is fine for a light hearted action or mystery show, and if you can find ultimately light hearted action to be thrilling, then that's good for you, but for a lot of people, higher stakes are needed, and with a darker world in which the characters face life or death situations, and in which mistakes have a very high cost, comes a certain situation.
Wrong. A happy ending improves all stories. All of them, each and every one. If becca and david had survived Edgerunners, it would have been a better story. If the girls in Gunslinger Girl had survived the story, it would have been a better story. I dare you to find me one example where the main cast dying improved the story.
>either the characters can make no mistakes, making them unrealistic, for it is human to err. or the characters can get miraculously saved by the plot, which is fine every once in a while, but becomes rather irritating when it happens repeatedly. or, the more virtuous option, the author can make the characters face the consequences of their own actions, even if it results in their deaths.
They can face the consequences of their actions without dying. The only reason why you'd want tragedy is because you're a masochist that enjoys being in pain.

>>279666012
>this shouldn't change at the conclusion of a story, if the characters actions haven't been conductive to a happy ending, then there shouldn't be one. also, if within the rules of the fictional world, there isn't the possibility of a happy ending, a bittersweet ending will feel far more satisfying for the reader, rather than having the author twist the rules of the world just to give the story a happy ending (which unfortunately often happens)
Incorrect. If you have to pull deus ex machina plot armour asspulls to save the main character, it's still a better story than where they died. But the best stories of all are written so that they survive without having to resort to such measures.
>as to why people would want to read such a story? because its interesting, why else?
Because they're masochists.
>ultimately, your critique of stories having anything other than happy endings, feels much a like guy who perfectly enjoys his food without any spices, wondering why people put spices on theirs.
Or more like the only person who's not a coprophile wondering why people shovel shit in their mouths.
>if you can be happy with light hearted wordlbuilding, or find satisfactory for an author to twist the rules of his own world, then that's good for you, but do not presume its the same for the rest of us.
I don't. I'm just shaming you for having a masochistic kink.

>>279643422
I watched this series while on mushroom and that whole sequence was insane and stuck with me for days. Feel like being on some kind of psychedelic is the optimal way to watch edgerunners.

>>279666307
The exact opposite. I feel intense unpleasant emotions when watching tragic garbage, and I'm just confused why others enjoy putting themselves through that. I think it's far more likely that you're the one with muted emotions, feeling nothing when characters you like meet their deaths. Or maybe you need that intense shock to feel anything at all.

>>279651970
>/ntr/
heh

>>279666393
>a sad story is a shit story, end of line.
hard to believe I still get baited at my age. still, it had been high effort bait until here, I think.

>>279654291
Genuine tism fit holy fuck. Take your meds.

>>279666520
An inability to control your emotions and being overwhelmed by fiction as if it's real is also a sign of autism. Just a different sort. You're mentally deficient.

>>279666307
I think the issue is the anon making comparisons to NTR enjoyers or people being masochists. There is such a thing as misery porn, but I don't think edgerunners it that. Anymore than something like the Titanic or Romeo and Juliet was. It'd fall under the category of drama in general. The story offers highs and lows for the viewer to pull them closer to the characters and make them feel things during the story. i.e. Drama.

Requiem for a Dream or Donnie Darko I can understand people not wanting to view because they're "very dark" themeatically and could fall into the misery porn pit, but even then, I wouldn't consider someone a masochist for consuming that media.
>>279666393
>They can face the consequences of their actions without dying. The only reason why you'd want tragedy is because you're a masochist that enjoys being in pain.
You can frame it that way if you like, if that helps you rationalize others, but that logic is flawed if you go beyond surface-level understanding of storytelling. The statement commits a false dichotomy: either characters face non-lethal consequences, or you're a masochist..

You may consume whatever media you like, but don't pretend to know the inner workings of another's mind.

>>279666600
Give me one example where that rule isn't true. One.

>>279666651
I can control my emotions just fine. But why would I want to put myself in situations where I need to control my emotions?

>>279666888
Death is the final and absolute end of everything, so it's the most severe of consequences. If you enjoy seeing people put through that, even if it's a fictional character, I just feel like there's something wrong with you. And I would absolutely say the same thing about NTR/cheating/torture/rape too. It just is not enjoyable to witness, no matter what the context.

>>279666520
>I feel intense unpleasant emotions
That's the normal reaction autist anon, it's a part of life inevitably
>>279660887
Tragic things like death is something everyone will think about and have to deal with eventually, and people don't mind having to experience it early in controlled doses through art for all manner of reasons. They want to better understand their feelings about tragic things, they like art that deals with different emotions and ideas, they just like tragic endings, etc

With that aside, I don't mind reading horror Manga, but I fucking hate watching horror movies and will refuse to do so unless necessary. there's a whole legion of chicks who love watching horror movies and spam consume it, and I refuse to date anyone who loves horror that much purely because I'm a pussy and don't want to watch that much. It's fine if tragic things aren't your thing and you don't want to consume it, people have different taste in art and the emotions they like from it

The tragedy made me happy of still being alive.

>>279635821
Why would you want to experience tragedy?

>>279666024
is this figi real?

>>279667236
Yes, and that's my point exactly. I know that what I feel is normal, I just don't understand what people find enjoyable about exploring those emotions. Specifically of the reason you bring up; life is fundamentally miserable, you will grow old, all that you love will die, and you'll eventually pass away and face oblivion. Why would you want to add on to the tragedy of the human condition by consuming tragic miserywank like Edgerunners That's the part that people can't explain.

>>279667087
So you you couldn't enjoy Berserk because Casca got raped in front of Guts or that much of the Band of the Hawk gets slaughtered during the Eclipse and how Guts has to overcome that trauma? You couldn't enjoy Gurren Lagann because many of the characters pass away throughout the story, and the ending is bittersweet? Couldn't enjoy MSG War in the Pocket because it highlights the seemingly senseless death in war? Sucks for you I guess.

Nice to see an active Edgerunners thread and a Lucy thread at that.
How are you chooms doing?

>>279634285 (OP)
The secondary option for those who cant help them but scream "PEDOS!" at Rebecca and her fans. Eyecatching design, manic pixie GF.
Aka she was the Normie option.

>>279667466
When I read Berserk back in the day, I was still a kid, and I could stomach it then. I never liked the golden arc, and I have never in my life re-read it for the reasons you mentioned. The early volumes, lost children, tower of conviction and JRPG party zerk I've re-read multiple times, but never in my life will I touch golden age ever again. Or the parts that focus on Griffith.

I could not enjoy TTGL. At all. Even if I could have otherwise tolerated it, Rossiu ruined the rest. To this day it's one of my most disliked shows.

I have not read MSG. And if I did, I likely would not enjoy it either.

>>279659828
https://yande.re/post/show/1229203

>>279665103
>david was groomed in just one night
He was a weak man

>>279667736
Doomscrolling. Shitposting. Vibing to my preferred music. Pretty comfy weekend.

>After escaping from Night City, Falco and Lucy parted ways, with the nomad making sure she would be safe. Lucy wrote the epitaphs on her friends' niches found at the North Oak Columbarium, as well as David's mother.
>Some amount of time after the events in Night City, Lucy accomplished her dream of traveling to the Moon, where she joined a moon tour to visit the places she and David had seen in the braindance. Fully equipped in an astronaut suit, an extremely dejected Lucy walked off from the tour to a particular nearby spot, where she had a momentary vision of David that made her remember their first braindance experience together. Lucy then turned towards the sun, raising her arms and embracing its warmth with a sad smile.
ONE, NOTHING WRONG WITH ME
TWO, NOTHING WRONG WITH ME

>>279667454
Like I said, a variety of reasons, some people just don't mind thinking about death and tragic ideas and facing the absurd every once a while in their art, and the emotions that come up while they do so. In controlled doses like in art, it can help you start thinking and figure out how to deal with the real thing better
Personally, I get spam migraines and debilitating headaches, pain and thinking about death is old friends for me, it's nice seeing how other people approach it in anime. the real thing is much worse than seeing it in anime, so it's like casual entertainment for me in edgerunners, much like happiness from anime is inferior to the actual thing, but experiencing it in art form is still fun entertainment, or the same for horror stuff
Either way, you can choose what emotions you want to experience from your art, and if it's not your thing that's fine, but others who don't mind exploring their other feelings and their ideas about tragic things can choose whatever too.

>>279643258
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

>>279660621
You do realize that not all crimes are violent crimes right? Sure there are retards like David and the gang who do it that way but there are also the "corporats" irl criminally making money off of people without even lifting a finger

>>279668248
I dunno, I understand the inevitability of it all just fine. It's not an easy or comfortable thing, but as all life is fundamentally tragic, I'd much rather fill it with sugar sweet happiness as much as I can rather than taint it even further with depression.

I agree that the real thing is much worse. There is simply no possible way any work of fiction could come anywhere the overwhelming sorrow you feel when you find your little brother lying dead on the garage floor. But that's not to say that tragedy would be enjoyable even in smaller doses. If you put it on a scale, and the former is 100, even if a tragic show is a 10, that's still around 10 points too much.

>>279646088
You sound like a miserable and autistic manchild.
Unironically reconsider the way you're facing life.
Improve yourself and learn to enjoy, yes, enjoy life, you absolute ratatouille-esque Ego wanna be guy.

>>279635247
it's cyberpunk.
dying for the right cause is punk.

>>279668097
David really needed someone. Lucy was there. From that point on, David was locked onto her. If Lucy had dropped David or if David had broken up with her, I'm sure Rebecca would have been there for the rebound, if Becca's behavior in the anime is any indication. David wasn't THAT stupid, he could tell how she felt about him, but he wasn't interested in her like that as long as he had Lucy.
As Maine pointed out
>"You two went on a date to the moon?! Shit dawg, it don't get much more romantic than that in Night City!"
Then Rebecca disappeared for a good chunk of the story after Pilar died. In that time, David and Lucy got even closer. Rebecca had already lost before then, but this only went to further cement that outcome.

>>279668465
I indeed have learned to enjoy life, that's why I refuse to touch tragedy. I have enough things to hate and I don't need to make the list longer.

>>279668475
Nah, fighting the power is punk. Failing in the process is just that, a depiction of failure.

>>279660887
>>279661461
>>279665374
>>279667236
>heart problems
>cardio
It's fake you retards

>>279668239
WHY DID YOU REMINDED ME OF THE FEELS
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

>>279668443
>I'd much rather fill it with sugar sweet happiness as much as I can rather than taint it even further with depression.
Everyone has their own personal philosophy for they deal with it, it's as good as any really, and if it works for you now that's fine. Some people like facing it in their philosophy, I don't mind the absurd
>If you put it on a scale, and the former is 100, even if a tragic show is a 10, that's still around 10 points too much.
That's how I feel about horror, but it works diff for tragedy for whatever reason, and some other person would like horror more that me, taste is funny like that
How you experience art is subjective BTW, it's fine to not like it for your subjective taste

>>279668565
So you're telling me katawa shoujo lied to me? >>279668555

>>279668696
I don't know I never read it.

>>279668671
I know it's subjective, I just like to make fun of people who have weird and degenerate tastes like masochism.

>>279668839
>weird and degenerate tastes
But I thought this website was the Christian safe haven where there's no lolicons and furries

>>279657902
There are a couple of key scenes where Lucy's English acting doesn't land right, and they're important enough for me to still recommend Japanese. Also, Lucy, Kiwi, and Dorio sound way too samey in English, to the point that they're hard to tell apart offscreen at first. They're a lot more distinct from each other in Japanese.

>>279664932
>romance
How do you feel about love triangles? Do you automatically avoid things with a loser girl too?

One episode wasn't enough

Giga Becca.

>>279669115
I don't dislike love triangles, it's not like the character dies if their love is unrequited, they can always go and find love elsewhere. Maybe with someone who is younger and prettier. What makes me hate a romance story is if it involves ntr, cheating, rape or other degenerate or slutty behaviour. But I have realised that the romance mango I have enjoyed the most are the ones that have a harem ending and everyone is happy. Mushoku Tensei, Umi no Misaki and Honeymoon Salad come to mind as examples.

>>279634285 (OP)
The scene where he escapes the ambulance and she has a crazy face. That's it, that's entirely why.

>>279669493
Ya don't say?

>>279635247
It's popular because it's good.

>>279670801
Yeah, it never ceases to amaze me how big a portion of people are openly masochistic.

>>279634285 (OP)
>Genuinely how did Lucy become popular?
She's kinda hot.

>>279670963
Sorry, I meant to say, It never ceases to amaze me how a big portion of people are openly lolicons

>>279670963
>never ceases to amaze me
I'm really ejoying how people argument your ignorant idealism.

>>279671129
That doesn't surprise anyone who is informed. Most men feel sexual attraction towards minors, it's perfectly natural and there's a clear biological impetus for it. However what makes less sense is why people enjoy making themselves wallow in misery.

>>279670963
Sounds like you're projecting something and I don't think I want to learn more.

>>279657902
>Why would people who speak english watch this show in japanese dub?
Listening to Americans trying uwu anime voice is painful but when the setting allows them to just use normal voices the dubs are pretty good.

>>279671388
I'm not projecting, I know full well that I don't enjoy being in pain, whether it be physical or emotional, and so I avoid both injuring myself, and anything that would cause me mental anguish. It's really very simple for me.

What I find peculiar and a bit funny is that you people are taking the metaphorical cat o' nine tails and flagellating away by watching these kinds of shows, and considering it a cathartic and enjoyable experience.

I'm basically just making fun of your fetish.

>>279654291
Well, at least you're upfront about it

>>279667280
i don't know about that guy but personally im desensitized to suffering

>>279671537
The ER dub was about as good as it gets. Every character had that "flavor" to them that made you tune in to their dialogue. As someone else noted, every syllable out of Doc is pure kino.

Rebecca is a mixed bag for me in the dub. On the original viewing with her introduction, I didn't care for how she sounded. After the time skip and and when she dropped the over-the-top bad bitch routine, she clicked for me. Re-watching it afterward, I didn't have that same sentiment and enjoyed her character throughout. During the first viewing, I settled on her being the best girl based on THAT one kino moment when she decides to help David "go to the top of Aaraska tower". And when she died. My heart...

>>279668839
As I and others have told you again and again in this thread, it is far from "weird" in that tragedy and suffering appears in many stories consumed by the majority of people

>>279672372
Yes, and I keep reiterating that it's surprising how many people like making themselves suffer.

>>279671548
I don't know man, you say that but then you spend hours screeching on the internet about masochism and enjoying pain when literally nobody asked and nobody brought it up in any way whatsoever. This is strictly coming from you and nobody else. Maybe you're in the masochism closet.

>>279672850
>I keep reiterating that it's surprising
That's very clear.

>>279667736
>How are you chooms doing?
Could be worse.

>>279673060
I dunno man, I'm finding it quite enjoyable to argue with anons about their shit taste.

>>279657902
>takes place in america
>english speaking city
Lmao.

>>279673540
But not as enjoyable as projecting about masochism, clearly.

>>279668696
Is she autistic?

>>279673594
I'm not in emotional anguish over arguing with anons, so I don't really get what your point is.

Post boobies

>>279673540
Same guy who said they can't enjoy Berserk, Gurren Lagann, and War in the Pocket because of "muh masochism!".

>>279674077
Yeah. Where's the contradiction?

>>279669493
She exhibits real Zero Two energy in that scene.

>>279674049
We never got a beach episode.

Considering how polluted the oceans are and how trashy most beaches tend to be in Pacifica, this is probably for the best.

Debido...

>>279674166
They've got the same sort of dangerous/vulnerable "I can save her" appeal.

This show fucked me up for a solid 6 months
I don't even get why, it was objectively not that good

>>279677134
You're beginning to see. Tragedy taints everything it touches, so just read spoilers like me, avoid it like the plague and just shitpost in miseryfag threads. That is the only way to get enjoyment out of this garbage.

>>279677170
Dude what
You deliberately post in threads about a show you didn't watch and you say it sucks even though you never watched it?
Do you actually even like anime?

>>279660621
>what is mafia and cartels controlling entire nations
>blackmail, scams, controlled oppositions
Crime is the only thing that pays.
>but muh hard working jobs
Taxed over 50% by the very criminals in power.

>>279677198
If you want to end up in funkytown videos go on ahead, I'm staying corpo.

>>279677190
Yes, I like anime. Just not the ones with tragic miserywank stories.

>death
The issue isn't death but cuckshit and roasties.
Rebecca the roastie being shown as a good girl and lucy ending up with other men after david gets himself killed.

>>279677190
I wouldn't engage with that retard. He had the gall to claim people had shit tastes after admiting he thought Berserk was shit.

>>279677327
That is a huge part of what makes tragedy so unappealing. Now that the characters are dead, others can reap the fruits of their labour. A man should die to protect his girl that he hasn't even knocked up, why? So that she can go on to fuck other dudes?

>>279677462
I didn't say Berserk was shit. I said that golden age arc was shit and that Berserk would be better if that entire arc didn't exist.

>>279677170
Nice of you to admit you ARE shitposting after all, out of some strange resentment for these kinds of stories.
Do you do this in NTR threads as well?

>>279677649
Not as much, because the NTR crowd is fully aware of how degenerate they are, so they don't start doing mental gymnastics to justify their masochistic tendencies. They just go "ok, and?" and that's the end of the discussion really.

>>279677710
Because this isn't masochism.
Catharsis is not masochism you stupid fuck, you're 37. Why are you doing this when you're old enough to know how limited your time on Earth is?

>>279677776
Of course it's masochism, you're intentionally making yourself suffer. It's just mental or emotional rather than physical. And I bet deep down you concede that you'd enjoy these kinds of stories more if your favourite characters had survived.

>>279677776
Don't give this guy (you)s. The ages complement each other and show the growth of Guts throughout the story. This guy has objectively shit tastes.

Ever notice how cyperpunkcucks use the shows motto to justify their failures?
>wrong city bro lol
Even the deaths of patriots and whores being glorified.

>>279634285 (OP)
I'd like to have cibersex with Lucy

>>279677879
I'm very tempted to respond because there probably is some discussion to be had on the necessity of suffering in fiction. In fact, one of the very first times I opened up about my interest in manga to another person, they mentioned Berserk was their favorite manga and then brought up this very same subject.

There's also something to be said about audiences shifting toward lighthearted stories when times are bad, and shifting toward grimmer and more intense stories when times are relatively stable. But we can't really discuss these questions properly if certain people have strange hang-ups, can we?

>>279677879
Yeah he grew into a beta, sick how hard berserk fell off.

>>279677944
I don't think there's a necessity of suffering in fiction at all.

>>279678004
You've pre-empted the question and foreclosed all opportunities for debate. This is why it's better if you're not around.

>>279678037
I just took an extreme position and immediately you lashed out. Typical miseryfag, not being in control of their own emotions.

I think it's a factually true statement, by the way. There's plenty of manga and anime around that doesn't have a shred of suffering in it, and people enjoy it just fine.

You would have enjoyed Edgerunners just as much, perhaps even more, if the main cast had managed to survive their encounter with smasher by the skin of their teeth and then had a party on the moon.

>>279677944
> But we can't really discuss these questions properly if certain people have strange hang-ups, can we?
I would say not. In good faith, I argued you should be free to enjoy whatever content you want while also deconstructing their poor mental framing. They still haven't addressed the false dichotomy up here >>279666888. They're either trolling or retarded. Probably both.

>>279678176
>You would have enjoyed Edgerunners just as much, perhaps even more, if the main cast had managed to survive their encounter with smasher by the skin of their teeth and then had a party on the moon.
How would you have felt yesterday evening if you hadn't eaten breakfast and lunch?

>>279678241
I'm on OMAD regimen, so I did exactly that. You feel an emptiness in the stomach, but there's no real sensation of hunger.

Watched it for the first time last week
I haven't felt this emotionally distraught since I watched Suka Suka
Can't even listen to Always in My Heart or I Really Want to Stay at Your House without tearing up

Good anime, i like the ocassional tragedy but fuck me am I weak as shit

>>279678520
We feel you man. As you grow older, you'll realise that making yourself suffer isn't enjoyable and you don't have to put up appearances enjoying it.

if you watch enough shounentrash your brain eventually figures out that the fights have no real stakes, no major character will face significant consequences 99% of the time. You can no longer get hyped for the inevitable asspull and what was once excitement becomes indifference.

>>279678608
Who is we?

>>279677170
Holy autistic seethe kek, must suck not being in control of your feelings and being so assblasted and fixated you spent a whole thread and day spasming about a trpg you didn't even play

>>279678691
We, the people in this thread. All of us understand that you feel like shit, but only some of us understand that you can avoid that sensation.

>>279678703
You're right, but only because Shadowrun is far superior. Also I did unfortunately play the game and the dlc, and I wish I hadn't.

>>279678520
A lot of people suffered emoshunal damage post-viewing. There was plenty of cope to go around. I think a lot of Anons were happy to be reminded they could feel things again. Prior to the drop, people were doubtful because NETFLIX.
>"it's going to be shit."
They could have pumped out a generic campy storyline with a happy ending, but they actually pulled a pretty kino ending (thanks to the Polish writers, as I understand). The general consensus for the show at the time was "One of my favorite shows" to "It's just Trigger slop" at worst. Apart from a few spots in some episodes, the art and animation were on point. Since everything wrapped up in 10 episodes, there was no having to wait for additional episodes. If you DID want additional content, you had to settle for fanfics or play around in the game back then. Now, there's a manga out about Rebecca. I haven't been keeping up with it, but from what I've read so far, it's servicable if you want more ER-related content, I guess.

>>279678608
Reading your posts is like watching an alien trying to figure out human emotions. 'The earthlings make themselves sad on purpose, why would they do such a thing?'

>>279678608
How come I'm not allowed to enjoy things?

>>279678732
I'm surprised you're not spasming harder in /vg/ or /tg/ at this rate, I'd argue those are worse since you're actually meant to play a self insert that has tragic endings, even the video games happier endings are cope since the corpos always win in the end and there's nothing you can do about them

>>279662154
yeah probably
hard to picture it, but they showed that futuristic city in the shorekeeper patch when you had to go into the system or whatever so it can probably work

Let me remind everyone that people like this guy are the reason why we got sappy lame as fuck Hollywood endings shoved down our throats for decades.
To this day I'm ashamed at how Anglo-Americans simply do not have the wisdom of Slavs, Japanese and Greco-Italians when it comes to morose stories.

>>279678826
It's truly a mystery. Maybe they don't know true sadness, or they're so dead inside that stoking negative emotions is the only way they can feel anything at all. Or perhaps they're just masochists.

>>279678921
Thanks for the recommendation.

It's truly a mystery why someone would spasm in a thread all day like this. Maybe they don't know true happiness, or they're so dead inside that shitposting negatively is the only way they can feel anything at all. Or perhaps they're this autistic and can't help it.

>>279634285 (OP)
Because she wears a shiny skintight leotard.

>>279645686
>>Jesus walks arouns and talks shit, then dies, comes back to life and then flies where the dead go anyway

My fucking sides! Thank you, sir!

>>279645686
Let me see:
>he was his father lmao
Terminator?
>so the robots get bigger and bigger until they defeat the glitch nigger alien
Gurren Lagann?
>germans conquer france, but then lose it and their own country
I don't know this anime
>Julian and Ricky try to do illegal shit and go to jail again
TPB
>the nazis used the mindfuck catboy to kill the devil, but he doesn't die anyway
???
>the spaceship flies through some shit and there are talking monkey on earth
???Planet of the Apes? 2001 A Space Odyssey?

>>279679446
>I don't know this anime
Could it be youjo senki?

>>279679446
>>he was his father lmao
>Terminator?
Star Wars.
>>the nazis used the mindfuck catboy to kill the devil, but he doesn't die anyway
>???
Hellsing (Ultimate).

HEAR ME OUT CHOOMS! EVERYONE SURVIVED!
BECCA IS BEING RECONSTRUCED, I KNOW IT IT HAS TO BE FOR S2.
LUCY ALLOWS A OPEN REALTIONSHIP WITH DAVID SO HE CAN BANG REBECCA TO COOL THE LITTLE GOBLIN DOWN.
LUCY LIVED TOO, I BET SHE IS PLAYING DEAD. A NETRUNNER CAN DODGE BULLETS RIGHT?
THEY ALL ESCAPED TO THE MOON AND ARE LIVING THE PEACEFUL LIFE, RUNNING A BUG PROTEIN SLOP BREAKFAST CAFE!
I KNOW IT IN MY HEART THAT THEY ARE ALL GONNA BE THERE FOR SEASON 2!

>>279679529
Sure, choom. For season 2.

>>279667806
>When I read Berserk back in the day, I was still a kid, and I could stomach it then.
So as you mentioned earlier in the thread, you had an extremely traumatic experience, and now it sounds like your brain possibly associates and experiences perhaps some form of PTSD via fiction.
That sucks and it's understandable that you avoid wanting to feel that way, but you should also be able to have enough cognitive empathy to understand that other people are not experiencing the same level of pain that you are through fiction.
Defining the normal enjoyment of fiction as masochism really sort of makes the word meaningless.
If everyone is a masochist, no one is.
If you experience things differently, then is it really any more complicated than that?
I don't even personally object too much to being called some sort of person on a spectrum of masochism when it comes to fiction, since I think in general I'm more likely to enjoy darker stories and twists.
But with anime I unironically think the ratio of tears/close to tears emotional moments I experience is like 100:1 in favor of happiness/joy. And that's probably just because the medium is heavily biased towards those type of stories and moments.
So even if I'm on some spectrum of 'masochism', I believe that I'm way, way more likely to prefer darker stuff that the average person who can also enjoy something like Edgerunners.
So it makes even less sense for you to label essentially everyone who isn't you a masochist. It's just a meaningless label then.

>>279680109
>So as you mentioned earlier in the thread, you had an extremely traumatic experience, and now it sounds like your brain possibly associates and experiences perhaps some form of PTSD via fiction.
I'd say so. Having had a really intimate relationship with actual real-life tragedy has certainly made me want to avoid the emotion more. But I don't think it's just that, I've always disliked tragedy, and at some point I just decided to stop torturing myself. I've never, not once, actually enjoyed reading the end of the golden age arc of berserk, for example. I understand perfectly on an intellectual level why it's there, but I never liked reading it. And to this day, despite having re-read zerk multiple times, I have skipped over the golden age every single time. I just do not find it enjoyable. Even if I did enjoy the first read of it (excluding the ending of course), I can never again enjoy reading any parts of it, because now I know that they're all going to die, Caska's going to get raped and Griffith's an absolute cunt. The ending of the arc ruined all of that for me. And yet, most people seem to agree that the golden age is the best arc of Berserk and I've never understood why.
>If everyone is a masochist, no one is.
Well I certainly am not one. And I'm pretty sure I'm not alone either.

>But with anime I unironically think the ratio of tears/close to tears emotional moments I experience is like 100:1 in favor of happiness/joy. And that's probably just because the medium is heavily biased towards those type of stories and moments.
And that's what anime should focus on. Let the normies have their tragic miserywanks in live action and leave my escapism alone.

Shouldn't wanting to see people be miserable make you a sadist, not a masochist? He can't even get his terms right.

>>279680616
I've used both in the past, actually. But I do think most people watching shows empathise with characters and feel their suffering as their own, making it more of a masochistic experience. Do some people actually like seeing characters suffer? Yeah absolutely, but I don't think they're very common, or even present at all in this thread.

>>279679529
Sure David... to the top of Season 2 Tower...

>>279654291
>hates death in stories
>responds by inflicting death on the book that contains the story
yup it’s a mentally ill person alright

>>279654291
Legend

>>279679446
Star wars, not terminator. The Germans part is just ww2. And the last one is the planet of the apes. The rest is correct.

>>279679446
Oh and catboy one is hellsing ultimate.

And a real hero

>>279679529
David's construct is still alive somewhere in a datacenter basement of the arasaka tower

I liked that she has the monowire whips, I have always been a bit of naughty boys and her and Kiwi give me the vibe of woman who could keep me from misbehaving.
I got the same vibe from Meredith, Regina, Rogue and Hanako in the game. I kind of want to be the solo that belongs only to one girl. As Evelyn put it, to have a fixer who keeps their crew on a short leash.

>>279634285 (OP)
David deserved better

>>279677944
>audiences shifting toward lighthearted stories when times are bad, and shifting toward grimmer and more intense stories when times are relatively stable
Very true.
>>279680569
Different anon. I can relate a bit, I don't dislike sad or tragic stories, but during a tougher time in my life all I could stomach were low-stakes SoLs and romcoms. Life itself was painful enough that I did not want to experience more pain through fiction. As those times passed, I could enjoy harsher stories again.
I do think you have a point, but are being a bit extreme about it. People have varying degrees of tolerance for suffering, and no work is truly free of suffering because such a work would be completely sterile and uninteresting.

>>279635247
I agree with you that the way they kill the characters is lazy and shit.
I disagree with you that main characters dying is a bad thing in writing.

>>279636306
You can just say "I'm weak-minded".

>>279636410
why is he making that face

>>279635247
>I don't even understand why this show is popular.
>I read the plot synopsis

>>279684607
you look like that and say that

Consider this JK Lucy

>>279634359
Don't forget the bedroom eyes. God that look can cure erectile dysfunction

>>279634285 (OP)
did the bluray already get released?
any new/reanimated scenes?

>>279684255
I believe that the main objective of a story is to be entertaining, and I maintain that a story is more entertaining if the main characters triumph. Like I've said, I'm pretty sure that most people ITT would have enjoyed the show just as much if not more if the main cast had survived the encounter with smasher and in the end had a party on the moon.

People like tragic shows despite the tragedy, not because of it.

>>279642205
Game Club is amazing, although I prefer Spectral Wizard.

>>279686245
Sorry but I prefer onee san lucy

>>279635247
By that same argument you can say Scarface is a terrible movie.
Edgerunners is an excellent experience because Trigger executed it well. They hook you in from episode one with Night City. David's subsequent rise in the criminal world followed by his fall would have been petty and forgettable, but they tug at your heart strings with experiences that easily resonates - being bullied by the rich+powerful, loss, wanting to keep memories of loved ones alive, love. What's remarkable about David's tragedy is that bad things happened with clear cause and effect - nothing felt out of place

Watch episode 1 again after finishing the series and you realise they spelt out what will happen from the start. If I have to point to one strength that outshines all other qualities - it's that Edgerunners is exceptionally economical with its direction - no scene was wasted. The flaw as I see it - is that there was no twist in the end.

>>279634285 (OP)
I hope season 2 brings back no characters.

>>279687109
I haven't seen scarface so I can't comment on that. But I have hated some other movies people consider masterpieces, like Gladiator.

What you describe sounds absolutely awful. Why the fuck would I want to watch someone fail miserably, especially if I sympathise with them? I used to love the gunslinger girl anime, but when the mangaka killed all the girls in the manga I can't enjoy it at all anymore, all because I know they're all going to die later on in the story.

I don't give a single solitary shit about logical or artistical consistency, if you kill the main cast, your story is utter garbage.

>>279680616
I think "masochist" is correct here. Sadism is more for romcoms with shipper wars. As an example, when >>279645235 talked about the element of surprise, I thought of how I went into White Album 2 feeling invincible from past MCbowls, and only expected some amusing BTFO. Instead, I got actually invested in both girls, and the show's ending destroyed me for like 2 years. I picked up learning Japanese just to focus my sadness on the goal of reading the game someday for the rest of the story. (Translators ended up going faster though.)

So watching it was painful, yes, but beautiful and inescapable in how the main trio's happiness and sadness were inseparable. I always cross-recommend it with Edgerunners because they're both character-driven romance tragedies at their core, despite looking like totally different genres on the outside.

(WA1 and 2 are basically separate stories, and 2 is easier to get into, so you don't have to watch 1 first.)

>>279635247
>>279687109
Hell, if you think the synopsis was enough to turn you off - imaging if Rafal Jaki had chosen Production IG for the job instead of Trigger. Jaki was in Japan deciding between Trigger and Production IG. If he had picked the latter -they would've produced Edgerunners with washed colors, raining all the time, and stiff characters. The soundtrack's only thing they'd probably get right

>>279687244
This gives me the vibes of that girl from DNA

>>279687235
Thanks for the warning, I'll make sure to stay well away.

>>279687210
Each to their own, if what you've read so far indicates you won't enjoy the series, then you should follow your instincts.

I actually went into the series completely unprepared that it would be a tragic story. I wanted to check it out because I heard how the game absolutely sucked at launch. And the trailer was also misleading https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JtqIas3bYhg
- I thought I'd be watching a Fast and Furious pop-corn action flick. I was pleasantly surprised to end up liking it a lot.

>>279687446
Friggin' remix of Ode to Joy for the trailer. Whoever directed the trailer either had no idea what he was doing or knew exactly what he was doing

>>279634411
>Remember kids, crime doesn't pay.
Lets hope V will be able to fuck her in CP2.

>>279687446
Ironically enough I hated the game at launch way less than afrer the DLC, despite all the bugs. It was always a glorified VN with a terrible story, but what garbage story they pushed in Phantom Liberty bottomed everything. Hated every single character in it, and because the writers put you on rails for the entire thing, I can't even just go "fuck it" and put a bullet in all of them. Even in the final moment I was screaming at the screen "why can't I just fucking kill this bitch". What a miserable fucking experience.

>>279687622
>"why can't I just fuck any bitch in this expansion?".
That was my opinion about PL dlc.
I would say a game is now easily 8-9/10 for me, the expansion is 6-7/10.
Anime is maybe 5-6/10 on good days but I can't really stand David as MC initially so that's just a big letdown for me. I suppose I'm not target audience of it.

>>279634285 (OP)
Zoomer's first science fiction waifu. Kurisu is a better character by far.

>>279687273
classic imaishi

>>279686381
>I believe that the main objective of a story is to be entertaining
Sounds like you're close-minded and/or a midwit.
You've never reflected on your life and how the experiences of the characters can lead to you to changes in how you see the world. You just "turn off your brain" and eat your slop. I'm glad I'm not you.

>>279687780
>Reddit;Gate
Wrong.

>>279688895
Sounds like projection to me. I don't need to see miserable failure on screen to know how life should be enjoyed. It's not fun, or challenging, or cathartic. It's just annoying.

>>279688920
Steinfag just can't help himself.

>>279688895
Kill yourself froggfaggot

>>279688895
Based. Ignore the media illiterate retards. True king energy.

>>279687221
>>279687244
Kinda glad they dropped that belt harness design element.

>>279692871
Shame they didn't drop the entire show too.

>>279689145
>I don't need to see miserable failure on screen to know how life should be enjoyed
You just agreed with me. Good luck living a life without self-reflection.
>>279690472
Nah, the miserable story man inspired me not to.
>>279690795
This is why we need religion. When these people's hedonistic safeguards are taken away from them, they'll be able to do nothing other than kill themselves.

>>279693584
I just did not agree with you, I said that I don't need to do what you do in order to fully enjoy life. I'm smart enough to figure things out myself.

I love this show because I'm a psychopath.

>>279695642
Fucking based. I respect you infinitely more than the other people making themselves suffer and then engaging in mental gymnastics to justify it.

>>279687780
I tried watching Steins;Gate because of posters like you and it was astoundingly mid. Thanks for nothing I guess.

>>279638095
Why is she smoking the filter?

>>279643391
Since when was any of the Fate franchise voiced anywhere other than the far east?

>>279695857
Nobody (else) is forcing themselves to like it, dude. They're just able to appreciate a moving and coherent story when they see one. If it's bullshit that breaks their immersion, they're not shy to say so.

>>279642233
Implied futa?

>>279651970
So who is everyone aside from Lun4cy?

>>279697328
I don't think Lucy is a futa. Dorio, on the other hand.

>>279655837
>>279655837
>>279655837
>>279655837

Maybe I'm stupid but I still like GTA Online much more than Cyberpunk

>>279697313
Yeah, obviously. I don't think I've said that people don't actually enjoy it. I just think they're masochists, because they enjoy making themselves suffer. There's nothing wrong with that mind you, it's just a bit weird from my perspective.

>>279697448
Because doing that gave me a small amount of relief, and it serves as a reminder to never again support an author until I know they're not an asshole who's going to end up making me hate their story.

>>279697680
So, do you only read/watch stories after they're finished now? You miss out on so much culture and discussion that way.

>>279635309
they're dead just like disco

>>279697816
No, I do consume a bunch of slop that I know won't have any undesirable content and I can enjoy without worry. When it comes to anything more serious, not only do I wait until the series is completed, I also read plot spoilers to ensure that I'll actually enjoy it before I pick it up.

>>279668591
Reminds me of the doc's fate at the end of The 3 Phases of E.V.E.

>>279669115
>There are a couple of key scenes where Lucy's English acting doesn't land right

List them and explain why. Is it a matter of delivery or composition?

>>279671169
>it's perfectly natural
Appeal to nature much?

>>279698147
Of course it's an appeal to nature because it is natural. That's not a fallacious statement.

>>279686245
Does the concept art exist as scans or any format other than photographs of images projected on a lecture hall screen?

>>279697418
>Lucy

Bruh.

>>279635247
Vanilla fags everyone!

All memorable stories in human history are about struggle. The most memorable are about self sacrifice and loss. List off the bubblegum anime you like and prepare for ridicule.

how do we cope chooms

>>279649398
thread saved

>>279660887
we had such great threads around that time. then we had bocchi too. man I really really miss it

>>279697680
You seem quite assholistic yourself.

>>279666024
>>279667315

AI has gotten really good

>>279677198
>Taxed over 50% by the very criminals in power.
this is why cash and bitcoin exists

>>279650939
I don't typically feel any sort of emotional anguish when experiencing fictional tragedies because I can separate myself from the work and appreciate it for its structure and impact. It isn't masochism if I'm not partaking of it for the purpose of feeling pain.

>>279699133
A story being memorable doesn't mean it's good. If you get in an industrial accident and lose your hand, it's certainly going to be a memorable incident. Whether it was enjoyable is another question entirely.

>>279700258
Valuable post that isn't a waste of 3.67MB+ text

>>279635504
why the FUCK are her teeth not black?

>>279635247
Literally kill yourself retard

>>279700543
People who are maimed and survive are universally considered badass and cool.

Unlike you—who is gay, lame, and autistic.

>>279701415
Not in the real world

>>279698070
One is the scene where Lucy is scared to dive into the Arasaka exec's mind, and begs David to encourage her. In Japanese she sounds like she's doing her best to control her fear, but in English she gets too emotional, and it makes her come off too helpless. It's one of her most important character moments, and the difference is pretty significant to me.

More subjectively, the climactic scene in the last episode where she's trying to wake him in midair and her voice breaks right before she kisses him. And then their talk afterward while they're falling. Somehow the Japanese acting hits me better there. I don't have a clear reason for it like the other scene, but all I can say is I watched the show in Japanese, then in English, then rewatched the climax in Japanese, and confirmed the scene hits me harder in Japanese. So I'll trust that instinct.

>>279634285 (OP)
>popular
where
never heard of her

>>279701488
Yes absolutely in the real world.

You would know that if your NEET ass ever went outside

>>279701415
So would you enjoy the process of getting in an industrial accident and losing your hand if you get to be badass and cool as an end result?

>>279703159
>3dpd out of nowhere
You poor thing, you really can't separate enjoying fictional art stories and irl can you

>>279634285 (OP)
she's not popular, you're thinking of Rebecca! Speaking of which, WHERE'S CUTE BECCA POSTER?!

>>279647238
such a cutie, her death scene made the series a 10/10 to 6/10

>>279688895
retarded frogposter

>>279681922
the real ending

>>279704334
This right here is a prime example. People like tragic shows despite the tragedy, not because of it.

>>279686381
>NOOOO MY SELF INSERT AND MY MY WAIFU ARE DEAD
>HOW CAN ENJOY THIS SHOW NOW???????
holyshit zoomer kiddies are retarded

>>279705301
Once you kill characters that I like, your story becomes unenjoyable garbage. If you want your story to be more enjoyable, leave the characters alone.

>>279705348
characters are the most important part of having a good story. Add a good theme, and life lesson/pearl of wisdom with it, and it's golden. It would've been 'okay' if David was left to die, but killing Rebecca and not Lucy? it's like the did it to spite the audience. I'm sure some people liked the ending, but it wasn't my forte. Sakuga was off the charts though.

>>279705427
Yeah, I'm definitely seeing a pattern. Even in a thread about the show that's presumably mostly visited by people that enjoyed it, a lot of people are willing to openly state that they would have enjoyed the show a lot more if certain characters hadn't died. I think my point that people don't actually enjoy tragic stories because of the tragedy but despite the tragedy has been thoroughly vindicated here.

Imagine being so autistic that you have to read a plot synopsis as a poor man's trigger warning. Zoomers are so cooked.

>>279706309
Yeah you're right, it is a trigger warning and I'm feeling no shame over it. In fact I think it's only smart, because that was I get to avoid investing any time and money into something I won't enjoy. Maybe you should try doing the same?

>>279698560
I fucking wish, I really want Trigger to release the entire concept art book

>>279700660
How can you tell when they aren't even showing?

>>279700595
That's the filesize of the webm, not the text data.

>>279701415
>you—who is

You talk *good*!

>>279703507
You're the one who dragged 3dpf into this when you appended your post with a petty potshot at the guy you were replying to by contrasting him with fictional characters.

>>279706728
Look closer they are slightly.

>>279698560
Someone recently uploaded the BD booklet, which includes the character design sheets. Not much in the way of preproduction art though

>>279706309
They don't need a plot synopsis for that; just to check which studio made the anime.

>>279703507
The emotions that those fictional stories evoke are quite real I'm afraid.

>>279706869
Why do they deprive us?

>>279706903
>I'm afraid.
Yes.
Yes, you are.

>>279706557
>investing any time and money
>money
That part is easily avoidable.

>>279707082
Yeah, and? I don't think there's anything shameful about being afraid of getting hurt.

>>279707286
Less so when it comes to video games, and I've already saved hundreds of yuros after I adopted this policy. The last being the 50 I would have dropped on Expedition 33.

>>279636153
Yeah this is a better take away I think. Both in the anime and the game there's a running theme that Night City as a place and lifestyle just kind of grinds you down no matter who you are. Dying in a random act of violence isn't tragic there, it's just circumstance. If you can manage it, the best thing you can do is to leave with your loved ones or what's left of your humanity before nothing is left.

>>279634285 (OP)
Her nipples looked odd

>>279707472
>video games
We're talking about the anime. The vidya part is also easy as fuck though.

>>279686245
JK anything > non-jk version

>>279708032
Vidya jems are at least tangeltially related to the topic of this thread though because 2077. Which I also hated.
>The vidya part is also easy as fuck though.
Not really, if you want to play at launch. Plenty of games have some sort of DRM on board that slow down the cracking process.

>>279706935
I don't know. There are two companies separated by an entire continent involved. Could be copyright issues.

>>279708127
>some sort of DRM
Not this one.

>>279707472
It is shameful when you're in vocal half-denial about other people's honest capacity to enjoy it. Just speak for yourself, man.

>>279634285 (OP)
after rewatching it I think that Kiznaiver is better, at least the premise

>>279708971
Which one, 2077, or E33? Also note I wrote 'less so', not 'impossible'.

>>279708987
I am speaking for myself. Mostly I'm just expressing confusion and amusement towards the shockingly large number of masochists. However a large portion of those masochists seem to admit that they'd enjoy a story more if their favourite characters had survived, which leads me to believe that for most people, tragedy is a detriment to a story's enjoyability.

>>279634285 (OP)
I have to be honest, something about this whole cyberpunk thingy didnt hit me, I played the game for more than 100 hours and did a few endings but the game never really clicked for me, didnt gave a shit about songbird, panam quest was just there i guess

>>279634285 (OP)
moon bitches. You wouldnt get it.

>>279634411
>Remember kids, crime doesn't pay.
not doing crime isnt paying either. Life doesnt pay bro.

>>279709095
Honestly I'm surprised that anyone gave a shit about songbird. Bitch was leading you on the whole time and then at the finish line she comes clean and confesses, and you can't even put a bullet in her brain. No, you have to either send her to the fucking moon or give her to the asshole glowies. What the fuck man.

>>279709092
You didn't even watch the series. Go away.

>>279709308
Well of course I didn't, I'm not a masochist.

>>279634285 (OP)
>Hot and cute girl falls in love with a loser
Is such a simple formula that's a wonder they don't manage to pull it off more often. Add to that the tragic aspect of her entire journey with David and you got a winning combo.

>>279709355
David is the exact opposite of a loser though

>>279709092
>I am speaking for myself. Mostly I'm [speaking for other people]

>>279709092
>Hey anon you should check out this show called Chernobyl, it..

>NO! Everyone dies in that, it is worthless, You are secretly a masochist

>>279706748
Hence plus text

>>279713385
Do you have the original version?

>>279713878
http://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/gifted

>>279706935
The only plausible reason I can think of is that they've judged the investment isn't worth it - which still doesn't fully make sense. So far they sold memorial artbook (limited sale), and the BD (again limited sale, which I missed, FFS). You can find these on ebay at ridiculously jacked-up prices.

>>279664618
No, Strive is trash.

>>279710157
He's just an scared kid who's overcompensating with implants.

>>279688920
>reddit
literally a 2chan anime, you dingus.

>>279717510
2chan is basically Reddit anyways. Futaba's the good one.

posting in a beccy thread!

>>279717559
Do you even know the difference?

>>279717778
GOD SHE'S SO CUTE IT'S UNFAIR, that's it, this is what anons are like! I just know it!