I like Dub now and the DUB hate is extremely forced and outdated.

I'm saying this as someone who used to watch ONLY sub for the past dozen+ years and I avoided dub like the plague because of the stigma but I remembered that as a young teen I really loved soul eater and I used to watch it in english as most people did and I realized??? Why exactly do I and so many people hate dub...
Anyways I started watching every new popular anime of the past 2 years in Dub and wow, truly just amazing I find that most of the time the female VA's do a better job at bringing the character to life than their JP counterpart, frieren and fern are great examples of this. Trust me stop being nasty weeabos and just watch your anime in English.

You don't play your foreign games in Japanese or chinese right? you play them in english, do the same for Anime, you will enjoy it.

Didn't ask
Don't care
Didn't read

No I don't use the dub in games either. Kill yourself dubnigger.

>>279647956
Fun fact the vast majority of people outside of her (80%+ of modern anime fans) prefer dub, you sub only ,monkeys are a dying breed

>>279647886 (OP)
>Dubs
Illiteracy is nothing to be proud of, anon.

>>279647886 (OP)
Dubs are for people too low iq to read and watch something at the same time. Not to mention third world esl's.

>>279648252
Oh yea I sure love never being able to look away from the screen otherwise i'll miss tons of dialogue! that makes me so cool hearing konnichiwa arigato gosai1!1!1!

>>279647949
Don't need to
You clearly do
You clearly did

2/10 bait, must try harder

I only have sympathy for people with extreme dyslexia that are unable to read subs quickly, if at all. Blind people prefer described audio. Illiterate niggers can all be buried in mass graves.
But for them, I don't accede to the necessity of bloating the costs of releasing a show in English. Many years ago, before simulcasts, a show was claimed to be dubbed on the pretext of possibly getting the show aired on broadcast TV, which could be a bit lucrative and would also benefit the Japanese side. Now it's a matter of keeping all these leeches employed full-time year-round
The only ones who still care about dubbing are either involved in its production, or who someday aspire to be. Either way, it's dishonest arguments in their own interest.
I someday wish for anime dubs to fall so far in significance that VAs aren't even mentioned on wikipedia pages anymore. English dubs are no more relevant than a Lithuanian or Portuguese dub, and their budgets should be scaled back accordingly if the practice isn't outright reduced on any but the most highly-anticipated series.

Most people don't hate dubs they just hate ENGLISH dubs because they all sound awful. Almost all dubs in my native language are really good and I prefer them over Japanese if available.

>>279648915
>they just hate ENGLISH dubs because they all sound awful.
maybe 10 years ago, pretty much all english dub of this era are really well done

>>279647986
>normalfaggots agree with me

>>279649107
>he's proud to be abnormal

>>279647986
>most people are retarded so it's okay for me to be retarded

>>279649008
lol no they aren't I've seen recent English dubs they are still all awful. Americans can't into voice acting.

>>279648275
He just said dubs are for low IQ people, you don't need to repeat it. We people of normal and higher intelligence get it the first time it's said.

>>279647886 (OP)
>>279647986
>ESL rambling

>>279649183
Why are you autists so against dub do you think you're better for hearing japanese words?

>>279647886 (OP)
There's some I like and some I don't like. Same for japanese voice acting. A lot of people tend to give japanese voice acting a pass just because it's the standard, but a lot of the time voices are just average or generic, All mimicking a certain type of voice you expect to hear than giving any of their own personal flair. Nothing bad, but not great either.

But there are definitely cases of bad voice acting in japanese media. Or at least bad voice direction. Frieren, and Hibiki Euphonium come to mind. Because they're trying to mimic "realism" by making the characters talk naturally, and with little exaggeration in their voices. But instead, it comes off as them being bored or not interested. Some say it's good for being different, but I call it bad.

And I agree with you OP there are some good dubs out there now. Though sometimes I prefer the older, more loose and less refined dubs from 20 years ago. They were objectively inferior but current dubs tend to stick a little too close to the script and can come off as a bit stiff(mostly from catering to people that don't even watch dubs in the first place). But I'm biased.

Frieren sounds so awful in the dub it actually gave me a jump scare.
Also doesn't the Meshi dub have ProZD? you actually expect me to listen to the pan f

I watch subbed because I want to watch shows in their original language, I don't care if the English voice acting is "better." I wouldn't watch a Western Cartoon in Japanese, do why would I watch a Japanese cartoon in Englis

>>279650770
Yes. Anime watchers are the scum of the Earth, so imagine being a dubfag and being looked down upon. There is no lower you can go, kys is literally the only rational response.

>>279647886 (OP)
1 in 5 adults struggle to read anything more complicated than a picture book. Literacy rates are plummeting with younger generations. Dubs are making a comeback. Coincidence?

>>279647886 (OP)
fake otaku, you are hereby excommunicated from /a/

>Dub supporting OP
>weeabos
>Frieren
Ragebait Jackpot, 9/10 score. Either purposeful lab grown ragebait, or genuine lack of braincells. "Yes, I love shitty scripts that insert propaganda and shitty fanfiction into anime." Not even worth being called a tertiary at this point, quinary level.

>>279652453
The audacity of 'localizers' is really astounding to me. It is not some mistake, purposefully warping the original contents to fullfil their ulterior agenda, too many occasions.

>>279647886 (OP)
Are “people” (if you can even call them people) who unironically consume japanese media with English dubs genuinely retarded? If you are someone who actually prefers dubs, you are cancer. You are xenophobic. You are vile. You genuinely should be shot and killed. Those who make and consume dubs are garbage. They aren’t real fans. They are casuals. Tourists. They are the cancerous tumors of the japanese gaming industry. Fuck them. Kill yourselves, dubfags.

Dubs are always inferior because they aren't made by original creators in source country and culture. You can like inferior things that are literally made to appeal the lowest IQ people (that's the main objective of dubbing), but don't try to convince people that are at least a little respecting themselves and original creators that dub is a viable option that is providing at least comparable experience because it isn't and it will never be, no matter what you say. Dubbing is bad regardless of the country origin. This is just a terrible idea for anything besides content targeted to grade school kids and below.

Personally I'll never understand people that are choosing to consume popcultural media from other countries butchered by dubs and its localization. What's even the point of consuming foreign media adjusted to your culture and voiced by people that have no idea about source country which can't even pronounce characters names correctly, not to mention about properly portraying character personalities and thier individual quirks.

Sorry but this is beyond my comprehension and people who are purposely using the dubs instead original voices will always make me cringe hard.

>>279647886 (OP)
>You don't play your foreign games in Japanese or chinese right?
Guy, I'm playing Halo in Japanese

>>279652578
Some dubs are better tho

>>279651563
Yeah and he's really good as Senshi so not sure what the problem is.

>normalfags say dubs are so much better now
>try it
>worse than the '90s

Just one fucking time try recording an old voice actor when you are casting an actor for an old character instead of your 24 year old nepofriend

>>279652630
no
>muh bebop muh baccano
no

>>279647886 (OP)
Purityfags are fucking retarded. If consuming media in its original form is so important, you would hate subs as much as dubs. Adding text at the bottom of the screen is obviously changing how the anime is presented, so how can you say you only like the work in it's original, unaltered form? subfags are dumb as shit for being collectively oblivious of this inconsistency. And of course they think it's not bastardizing the original to cover the screen with translator's notes whenever a pun or reference is used that can't be translated to english. Such standards are what passes for sophisticated among actual low IQ people.

Dubs are inherently superior because only in your native language can you grasp things like intonation that make dialogue seem more expressive and natural. If you don't believe me, watch an anime with a good dub, like YYH and then try the shitty sub version. The latter is so flat and gay in comparison, and since they are japanese the dialogue is mostly pointless filler, just plainly stating the obvious shit happening in front of them. The dub is made even better by being a loose translation, because the writers had the freedom to write dialogue that actually sounds good.

Literacy has nothing to do with dubs becoming more popular. The reason for this trend is that anime is less of an outcast's thing now because normies have taken a liking to it. I imagine people with a social life have no interest in the inevitable cringe of subconsciously picking up and using japanese words they don't really understand. Nor do they want to diminish their listening skills by training their brains to rely on magic floating words to show up at the bottom of their vision to understand what someone is saying.

>>279649008
Old dubs at least tried. Modern dubs sound even more monotoned than ever. 10(actually 20) years ago they didn't hire a bunch of talentless youtube hacks as dubbers.

>>279653507
nah you are

>>279653507
>Good Dubs
>YYH
Classic "old dubs good" argument. Even if we accept this, it has no bearing on OP's "I watch every new popular anime dubbed" when we know that these new dubs are quinary tier.

>>279647986
The number of true fans hasn't diminished, only been over shadowed.

>>279653507
>in your native language can you grasp things like intonation
You pick that up after a while of listening to the same language. Subs will help you slowly passively learn the language.

>>279647886 (OP)
>DUB
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA Your industry is falling apart. How long have english VA's been on strike? 10 years now? A lot of them have grouped up and backstab themselves out of the industry. You can't even get the same VA's to come back to reprise their rolls for more than 2 years. You know how embarrassing that is seeing your MC or characters with 20 different NA voices? Dubfags might as well just listen to AI at this point, they clearly don't care.

I'm not even about to get into the quality of your dubs, that speaks volumes enough already.

>"B-but there's more of us..."
That wouldn't care if someone replaced them with AI. Some loyal fans you all are.

>>279654120
>Subs will help you slowly passively learn the language
no they won't, how many people here speak fucking japanese because of watching anime

>>279654120
That only helps for short phrases or remarks. To track intonation in longer sentences with less typical words you need to actually learn the language. If you think subs teach you the language beyond simple phrases you are a lost cause

>>279654305
>That only helps for short phrases or remarks. To track intonation in longer sentences with less typical words you need to actually learn the language. If you think subs teach you the language beyond simple phrases you are a lost cause
>>279654215
>no they won't, how many people here speak fucking japanese because of watching anime

The ALG method says you are wrong. It takes years but by just listening to people talk in context to actions you learn a language.

>>279654417
No idea what the ALG method is but reality proves me right. People watch anime for years and still don't speak or understand a lick of japanese except for a bunch of meme words or phrases

>>279654438
Either without subtitles or ideally with target language subtitles, using the subtitles of the language you already know seems to have a sabotaging effect (maybe they can help if you use them tactically)

>>279654438
How many years have you been watching subbed anime for? I'd bet I've been watching anime for longer than you have been alive.

>>279654507
and do you speak japanese?

>>279654519
Sou nan desu kar!?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2L7Qt7yMsqk

only monolingals like americans and japanese use dub on anything because they're INCAPABLE of appreciating foreign language/culture

>>279647886 (OP)
Dub is okay but I don't watch it anymore.

>>279647886 (OP)
I also stopped watching subs after 10 years.
But what I switched to wasn't dubs, but raws.

>>279657038
That's just the japanese dub, dumbass

the ideal is to get good enough to watch raws
subs help you get there, dubs don't

>>279647886 (OP)
This is an audiovisual medium in wich visual information matters the most so reading subs is an objectively worst way of consuming anime.
But I guess it doesn't matter that much if you are watching shonen or moe slop.
The problem is trying to watch something more artsy/experimental and characters talk at light speed while each shot is full of little cues for you to interpret as an audience

>>279652723
Senshi isn't a fat Asian so he shouldn't be allowed to voice him.

>>279647886 (OP)
The only reason I watch anime at all is because the dub exists. Japanese voice acting is just silly and cringe. If the dubs would remove the retarded anime noises it would be even better

>>279653507
>YUYU HAKUSHO
Hiei sounds like an old man
Kuwabara sounds like a caricature of a Bully in a kids show.
and they made Yusuke sound like a generic 90s main character.
Americans should be sued from localizing anything.

>>279654008
>Classic "old dubs good" argument. Even if we accept this, it has no bearing on OP's "I watch every new popular anime dubbed"
You clearly didn't watch dandandan dubbed, its 10x better than the JP version.

The grandma actually sounds hot, the girls english VA did such a good job making her sound like an energetic but sarcastic bratty friend, and the English VA for the boy did such a good job actually sounding like a teen boy, the JP va's did such a bad job in all these regards.

>>279658835
You clearly didn't watch either if you didn't even bother learning any of the characters names.

>>279658364
Esl retard, opinion disregarded.

>>279655019
>only monolingals like americans and japanese use dub on anything
So the top 2 countries in the world? I guess the rest of you shitty third worlders should start following our league.

>>279659432
The names weren't very memorable, most japanese names aren't.

>>279647886 (OP)
THIS IS NOT 4CHANNY. Delete your post now. WE DO NOT LIKE DUBS! They are an insult to glorious Nippon. The Yamato race deserves more respect than this, gaijin. Nipponese is the OFFICIAL language of anime. You are NOT welcome in the anime movement.

>>279652578
This. As anime watchers, we must show the upmost respect for Nippon. We NEED our fantasy isekai or schoolgirl romcoms to be as faithful to the original language as possible.

Which is we both agree that SUBS are also cancer. That’s right: we ONLY watch anime with original Nipponese audio and NO GAIJINESE! I learned Japanese JUST to watch my favorite cartoons, and you did too. Because subs are still a translation and change the cultural meaning of Nippon and the proud Yamato race. NO GAIJINESE IN OUR ANIMES!!

>>279652578
You guys keep bringing up that Localizers ruin scenes but go ahead and give a modern example of that, you can't. localization is 99% of the time very accurate and true to form.

>>279660031
>localization is 99% of the time very accurate and true to form
kek lmao this anon has never been to /v/

>>279648252
that doesn't really make sense cuz most esl watch anime subbed

>>279652578
thank god i live in a country where dubbing was made illegal in the 30's

>>279654664
ching chong bing bong

>outdated
Dubs haven't gotten any better though. You'd think with how much more popular anime has gotten over the years, and how they don't need to be made to fit TV airing standards, that the quality would have improved, but if anything it's gotten worse somehow.

>>279647886 (OP)

>You don't play your foreign games in Japanese
But i do?
Btw my favorite dubfag cope is "cowboy bepop is better in dub". It isn't in fact, it's just better than other duba.

>>279653507
>watching with subs presents some problems
>that's why you should go with dubs, which have even more problems
This kind of arguing is extremely common on /a/ and I don't know why. A similar argument I've seen is "reading a manga in English is as bad as watching a dub, so you should watch the mediocre anime adaptation dubbed instead".

>>279647886 (OP)
>frieren subhuman has a dogshit opinion
EVERY FUCKING TIME

Post them good dubs bros.
https://youtu.be/dqaAgAyBFQY

Fuck crunchyroll and every other nigger streaming service, bring back fansubs.

>>279648776
>no u
typical dubfag

>>279648873
what i hate the most about dubs is the fact that when you try to do quick research on a show/game i haven't watched/played, the literal who English VAs are listed first by all the relevant sites. like bro who fucking cares about some overweight, tone-deaf failed American actor who should've just gone on to flipping burgers once they realized they couldn't make it in Hollywood.

the only good English voice actors are always the ones attached to projects that were originally envisioned in English

>>279662510
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ci8dIpNcyEY

>>279662485

Frieren better in English
JJK better in english
Chainsawman better in english
Dandandan better in english
Soul eater better in english... I could keep going

>>279658437
So retarded bullshit that has nothing to do with voice acting like always. Don't care.

>>279647886 (OP)
It is forced, and plenty of /a/ actually thinks only newfags watch dub when newfags repeat the tired sub>dub meme on any piece of dubbed media. There’s no rationale to why dubbing is really that awful when you watch an English text translation of Japanese media. Liking sub comes down to having a hard on for japan and liking the sound of their language, that’s it. Japs can ramble on about nothing and utter boring nonsense and the /a/non will clap like a seal. Just raise a voice a few octaves and they call it emotional dialogue. The point of origin is irrelevant, the source material could be from China or Korea, but if you have a Japanese VA its fine because Japan is so sugoi.

>>279663828
I watch everything in its original language. Subs are a poor substitute for knowing the languages but at least you get part of the original experience.

>>279658835
Just looked up who the voices were and I'm gonna watch it later now, thanks.

>dubs
>>>/co/

>>279663828
Exactly

>>279663904
This is weeb cope

>>279647886 (OP)
I disagree that the dubs are consistently better than the subs. In my opinion, the subs are always better, especially if the characters are tropey. Hearing Westerner try to imitate the moe style, especially in Sentai Filmworks dubs, makes my ears bleed. I get physical listening to that cancer.

But the few dubs that do hit, hit REALLY damn hard.

Edward Elric's sub sounds so obnoxious, that I've never watched the sub, and never will. That dub is literally perfect.

Frieren's dub is on equal footing with the sub.

Madoka Magica's dub is great, especially Kyoko's voice.

And Kaguya-sama's dub is so amazing, that it's arguably even better than the sub because of all the unique dialogue changes that actually fit very well.

Even Nichijou's dub somehow doesn't suck. You could always trust Funimation to make the best dubs. Nichijou's voice acting style seemed impossible translate to English, yet not even that was too tall of a task for Funimation. God bless them. Fuck the Crunchyroll monopoly for killing them. Where's the FTC when you need them?

>>279647886 (OP)
>I like Dub now and the DUB hate is extremely forced and outdated.

Don't want to take the time to read the rest of this because by the time I'm done reading, your argument will already be outdated.