Is it Christian or Buddhist?

100% Buddhist

>>279796684 (OP)
im a chronic masturbator

>>279796684 (OP)
her feet are athiest (stinks godlessly bad)

>>279796684 (OP)
It's both, and Rebellion is critical of both, just like Nietzsche was

>>279797288
Rebellion is Gnostic.

Dunno, best yuri anime.

>>279796684 (OP)
Homura transferred from a christian school, and in rebellion they had like, a gothic cathedral on the school rooftop for some reason.

>>279796684 (OP)
Neither. Don't overthink it.

>>279796684 (OP)
*chuckles*
it's a good anime sir.

>>279797649
But enough about Eva

Sayaka was straight. But kyouko corrupted her, turning her into a lesbian and introducing her to a life of degeneracy. So it's not christian anime outside of some shallow references, It's buddhist.

>>279796684 (OP)
Kyouko alone makes it a christian anime. She's a good representation of the average tradcath down to their homophobia too.
Really regressive anime desu

>>279797842
>down to their homophobia too
where

Why are all the girls in this anime so bigoted wtf
This is supposed to be a magical girls anime not some reactionary alt right dog whistle

>>279797869
context?

>>279797590
>yuri anime
>>279797716
>kyouko corrupted her
where

>>279797878
TDS

>>279797898
trump derangement syndrome?

>>279797915
Go back to /pol/

>>279796684 (OP)
Neither.

If you want Buddhism, or rather, anti-Buddhism then watch TTGL.

>>279797945
Rebellion has kinda similar messages to TTGL actually

>>279797288
Nietzsche was a chronic masturbator much like these threads.

>>279796684 (OP)
Obviously Buddhist. Madoka is a bodhisattva which transcends the cycle of desire and suffering.

Rebellion is gnostic but only in the sense that Homura is her own demiurge.

>>279797958
Not at all. Not even close.

Rebellion is very Gnostic/Luciferian intentionally so implying a sort of dualistic universe with an equally powerful God and Devil. Homura is inherently selfish. She claims to be doing it for the greater good but she is a selfish girl. That's the point she is not a good person. Madoka was 100% selfless, Homura on the other hand is selfish her time powers represent implying a desire to control everything.

Gurren Lagann on the other hand has a very strong Christian message of Sacrifice and selflessness. The antispiral isn't an all powerful or even equally powerful entity. Infact they gave into fear and selfishly attempted to seat themselves as the just rulers of the Universe. Team Gurren through Faith(Spiral Energy) are able to match them because Simon is willing to Sacrifice in the end even his Wife and Himself in order to liberate the Universe. It's Simon's own determination to always push forward that changes the people around him.

They are literally opposing messages.

>>279799748
>Homura is inherently selfish. She claims to be doing it for the greater good but she is a selfish girl
You're wrong on both accounts. She doesn't care about the greater good, or herself. She only cares about Madoka specifically.
>Gurren Lagann on the other hand has a very strong Christian message of Sacrifice and selflessness
Madoka too, through both Madoka and Kyouko.
Rebellion acts as an antithesis to Madoka so i guess in a way you're right. But Homura also sacrificed herself, even if it was to undo Madoka's sacrifice.

It's love.

>>279796684 (OP)
It's Lovecraftian. The Butcher likes to flirt with the mythos.

I lost to Sayaka and a child. I'm a super jobber...

Kyouko is an alt right catholic angel madokabros. Is not my headcanon, is reality.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jYhWYzSU7-M

>>279801874
kek

>>279796684 (OP)
I can't think of a single anime that has competently used Christian themes.

>>279801991
what about eva

>>279802101
lol lmao! the tree of life is Kabbalah.

>>279802184
>>279802101
yfw All-Too Perfect Saintess is the most Christian anime

>>279801991
Good

>>279796684 (OP)
It's yuri jihadism.

>>279796684 (OP)
Good yuri.

>>279802573
I know "yuri" is the joke part of your post but i don't see how it's jihadism either.

>>279802787
Also making the same joke multiple times is kinda useless and schizo behavior

baited

>>279796684 (OP)
christianity and buddhism are not incompatible. it can be both

>>279796684 (OP)
The plot is about a girl pure of heart who willingly sacrifices herself to take all the impurity of everyone else upon herself and sanctify it in order to save all the magical girls who can't save themselves without her free gift of salvation, and is rewarded for her sacrifice with divinity. That is literally the Gospel of Jesus Christ. Madoka Kaname is the anime equivalent of Jesus Christ.

>>279797842
Kyoko x Sayaka is made officially canon in Rebellion, but ok then.

What's happen? what is bringing more yurifags

>>279803083
Then why did the author say Sayaka didn't get a new love interest in Rebellion, and it would have been out of character for her to do so?

>>279803161
Samefagging

>>279803245
>Samefagging
I don't think is just one person. I don't know what happens in these threads that everyone tend to blame 1 person.

>>279803468
Multiple people can samefag
It's a fact that despite so many supposedly different people posting about yuri fantasies here, not a single one of them argues back when prompted to. In fact, the only one that did was yesterday and he got banned and stopped posting since.
This is enough to tell you that they are not genuine posters, and are in fact usual users of these threads who believe all internet discussion works like discussion with ACK, and that you don't have to reply back when a perfectly intelligible and on-topic post is made in response to you (because they're used to talking to 3 letters who makes unintelligible and off topic posts).
If it was actually a bunch of new users, they would attempt to prove their point when it is challenged. Clearly here they don't do so because they know their point is wrong, and making it wasn't their goal when making their posts here.

>>279797842
She needed alien magic for people to listen to her Christfag dad

>>279803719
And magireco proved that his dad actually had a positive influence on people and helped at least one man and one woman avoid committing suicide and ultimately get married to each other.

imagine thinking you're entitled to an argument when all you do is tell people you hate what they love and wish they were dead

>>279803772
*her dad

>>279797878
Mami is too clingy, or she has built up some more bad juju from Homus time shenanigans and Kyoko can sense the crazy just waiting to burst out of Mami.

>>279803655
>not a single one of them argues back when prompted to.
You have a point there. But, sometimes even the serious posters don't reply back. I believe that most people just leave a reply and leave fast nowadays.

>>279803790
>Is part of a group that has decided to spam every single Madoka thread with their fetish, making the same unfunny posts every single thread they find
>"wtf bro why do people hate us"

>>279803807
>sometimes even the serious posters don't reply back
No, that's just proof they aren't as serious as they claim.
>I believe that most people just leave a reply and leave fast nowadays
Literally nobody does this.

>>279802821
Isn’t their jihad corrupt since the entity they are fighting for siphoning their pain and emotion for fuel against an entirely different enemy? Or is Kyubey in the right to use them to help preserve the universe and their struggle is still serving the greater good but at a cosmic scale?

If PMMM was a muslim anime there would have been 4 megucas not 5

>>279803772
Is that in the manga? I didn’t finish the anime. He was also doing his own thing and his own ideas right so he didn’t have the support network of a wider organization to back him?

>>279796684 (OP)
Buddhist and early Christianity

>>279804001
It's in the game, specifically in Kyouko's Homecoming event
>He was also doing his own thing and his own ideas right so he didn’t have the support network of a wider organization to back him?
Yeah, he was preaching nonconventional stuff and religious authorities didn't like it
Happened quite a lot in history. It even happened to the NSDAP.

Sana!

>>279803946
And kyubey is using them so he doesn’t honor their sacrifice and their corrupted souls are just fuel to him. It’s probably a good thing that they can’t feel empathy because it’s a nasty job but I wonder if Kyubeys race has a master that delegates this task to a species that can handle seeing all of this suffering.

>>279799748
maybe it's because i was on a big nietzche kick at the time but i viewed TTGL through a nietzschean lens. it becomes even stronger when you consider how TTGL serves to answer Eva, which is famously very schopenhauerian, just as nietzsche sought to answer schopenhauer. not saying your interpretation is wrong though, they are both good readings of the story

>>279803885
>No, that's just proof they aren't as serious as they claim.
You sometimes talk you have never been on 4chan. Some people just post something and leave.
And about your other point, you always talking in absolutes is crazy.

>>279804085
Well more specifically, people do post one thing and leave in some threads like "who is best girl" or the likes where they usually post an image.
When people post text, especially about a controversial topic, they usually expect replies. A lot of people also have 4chan X which notifies you when you get replied to.
Then there is the fact that these people obviously stay in the thread after making their post.

>>279796684 (OP)
Come to think of it, Madoka going back in time to redeem all past megucas and taking them to Law of Cycles is literally Jesus Christ descending to the Limbo of the Fathers to take them into the heaven.

>>279804243
Now we need a sequel to the bible when one of the sinners Jesus saved sees his fate, takes pity on him and overthrows him to give Jesus a normal life

>>279804303
That sounds very gay like the movie called Rebellion

>>279804303
>>279804379
Yandere Mary when?

>>279802225
I hope you are not lying, i will watch it some day, i want to watch christians not portrayed as evil. Thanks for the recommendation.

>>279797288
How is Rebellion? The original series was so unfathomably peak that I almost don't to watch anything else associated with the franchise for fear of tainting it.

Maybe it's close to Pure Land Buddhism specifically, which is notably often compared to Christianity, but the role of Madoka is obviously very much Christian. And the self-sacrificial aspect is definitely more Christ-like than like Amida.

>>279804671
Jesus only dies once for everyone but he’s blessed in heaven? Madoka is stuck redeeming girls for all of eternity and taking their pain upon herself.

>>279796684 (OP)
its mid af.

>>279804607
how much you enjoy Rebellion will depend on how much you saw Homura as the actual main character of the story

>>279804379
>That sounds very gay
how

>>279804744
filtered

>>279804724
It''s not a perfect analog, but it's closer than Amida and certainly closer than other Buddhist sects. Plus the Buddhist Pure Land is intended to be temporary before escaping Samsara completely.

>>279804607
You have to keep in mind that it’s a sequel that wasn’t originally planned and that it’s technically only a sequel to the movies timeline not the series one, but it’s good.
It’s basically a critique of the series that points out flaws in it and attempts to address them. It’s probably the best way they could have done this, honestly.

>>279804865
There's Buddhist hell and King Enma in popular lore, so only w/ popular you get the holy reincarnators and the demons.

Madoka, following Kyubey's fatwa, fights a jihad against the mulhid witches. Mashallah.

>>279805382
Kyubeys more like an emotionless angel serving higher powers. Is the Jihad still holy if it is misrepresented? What happens to a witches grief seed after it’s been given to Kyubey or drained by a magical girl?

>>279799748
what sort of drugs do you have to be on to come up with these headcanons?
go read a fucking interview from the creators and see how simple everything is

>>279806224
The only Creator I care about is God!

>>279799959
>She doesn't care about the greater good, or herself. She only cares about Madoka specifically.
Yes she is selfish. A selfish girl with a control problem. She couldn't accept she couldn't be with Madoka and became a demon. Homura is toxic everything about her is toxic. QB even mentions in the original series that it is Homura's hyper selfish wish that lead to Madoka becoming a Super Witch.

The entire series is saying that Madoka's Sacrifice is good. Only Homura says it is bad and then after getting what she wants even she admits she is a selfish villain.

>>279806393
>She couldn't accept she couldn't be with Madoka
Homura doesn’t want to be with Madoka. Everything she ever did was to get Madoka as far away from herself as possible, because she thinks Madoka deserves better than herself.
When she was a magical girl, she did everything to prevent Madoka from becoming a magical girl. Now that she’s a godlike entity, she does everything to prevent Madoka from becoming one.
The whole point of Homura is that she values Madoka’s safety and happiness over everything else, including her own.

>>279806501
let's just ignore the fact that madoka finds her purpose from that

>>279796684 (OP)
It's gnostic

post some wide 'gucas

>>279806957
Well yes obviously, that’s the conflict.
Just because I’m explaining objectively what Homura’s character is and taking her point of view, doesn’t means I think she’s correct and everyone else is wrong.
One of the points of Madoka is that no character or faction is presented as objectively wrong, not even Kyubey.

>>279807062
you're really saying that homura thinks madoka doesn't like sitting on her throne?

>>279806501
>whole point of Homura is that she values Madoka’s safety and happiness over everything else
That doesn’t mean it’s an easy decision.

Being away from Madoka obviously causes her great suffering, which is why she became a witch. She wants to close to Madoka and for her to be safe, but no matter what she does, those two things don’t seem possible at the same time.

>>279807116
She thinks meduka is lying to herself when she says she's fine

>>279806393
>Madoka's Sacrifice is good
not for her, she's burdened with eternal suffering

>>279807116
>Saar Madoka was perfectly happy as LoC even though it’s been explicitly stated she doomed herself to eternal loneliness and that it’s a fate worse than death
She wasn’t sitting on any throne, she was eternally suffering for the greater good.

>>279807137
>Being away from Madoka obviously causes her great suffering, which is why she became a witch
No, that was because she was ravaged by her idea that Madoka deserved better. She was feeling sorry for her and wished she could do anything to save her again. Or, as the concept movie puts it, she took pity on her.
>She wants to close to Madoka and for her to be safe
If anything she wants to be able to intervene if something happens to her, even while Madoka is oblivious to her presence. Being physically close to her isn’t that important. Although judging by the Kaiten trailers it’s possible red eyes Homura, who is most likely Homulily, is going to embody that part of her specifically.

why does homulily have a gramophone on her brapper

>>279807046

>>279807396
>even while Madoka is oblivious to her presence
That’s not true. Homura specifically went to see Madoka after separating from Madokami and see was surprised/upset when she started turning back. If she wanted to watch from the side-lines, she wouldn’t have approached her at all.

>>279807625
"Even while" implies she doesn’t necessarily care, not that she necessarily seeks one way or the other.
Of course she wants to be friends with Madoka since Madoka being her only friend was the very reason why she respected her so much and found her fate so unfair and tragic. But at this point it’s low enough on her priority list that calling her selfish for it is straight up retarded.

>>279796684 (OP)
Gnostic.
I wonder when will we get the Agnostic anime.

>>279807829
>calling her selfish for it is straight up retarded
what's the point of portraying her as the devil then

>>279807935
Lain
Diebuster, arguably

>>279807829
>her selfish for it is straight up retarded
She broke the whole magical girl system for something for something she didn’t even know would work and clearly had unintended consequences. That is selfish.

>>279796684 (OP)
All I know is that Makoka's ass is heavenly.

>>279808258

>>279808258
>>279808288
>the entire plot of Rebellion was driven by how badly Homura wanted Madonka's donk

>>279807935
Haruhi. Literally as different factions debating about what Haruhi’s true nature is, and not all of them agree that she’s God. That’s as agnostic as it gets.

>>279807961
The point is that she hates herself. It’s her own portrayal not an objective one.

>>279807967
Lain is isn’t agnostic, it’s closer to deism but it’s anti masonic. Lain never questions the existence of God, it calls out humanity trying to play god (while getting btfo by the real deal at the end)
Diebuster is a sovlless cashgrab that ruined gunbuster

>>279808105
No the definition of doing something selfishly is doing it "for yourself"
Homura did it all for Madoka and Madoka isn’t her so she isn’t selfish.

>>279808346
Posted it again award, nobody is laughing

>>279808433
So she thinks she's in the right and hates herself for being in the right?

>>279808433
>Homura did it all for Madoka and Madoka isn’t her so she isn’t selfish
She prioritized what she thought Madoka’s wished for over every single other person. And Homura clearly thought that she herself would benefit as well. If you steal a loaf of bread from a group of hungry children to feed your friend, that’s still putting selfishly putting them above others.

>>279808543
She doesn’t necessarily think she’s in the right, she hates herself for going against Madoka’s wish which was beneficial for the greater good and basically everyone but Madoka herself.

>>279808624
>She prioritized what she thought Madoka’s wished for over every single other person
Retard, she did it for Madoka’s safety, she specifically went against Madoka’s wish because Madoka’s wish was self sacrificial in nature. Madoka wants to sacrifice herself, Homura doesn’t want her to. That’s literally the entire series.
>And Homura clearly thought that she herself would benefit as well
Double retard. Madoka’s world was good for Homura just like everyone else but Madoka herself. Homura would have had a peaceful death at the end of her meguca duties like everyone else, would never have witched out. She was happier in Madokami’s world than her own (well technically her despair started when Kyubey trapped her as Madoka was about to save her, but that’s obviously not why she did what she did as it was all over anyway).

>>279808880
So now she knows it is against Madoka's wish?

>>279808880
>Madoka safety
Madoka was completely safe as Madokami and that’s still putting Madoka’s safety above everyone else’s.

>well technically her despair started when Kyubey trapped her
No, she started witching out beforehand.

I hope saying "homura is selfish" doesn't become a new bait. Just saying.

>>279806224
it's always funny reading interviews with urobuchi where people ask him about religion or nietzsche or faust or whatever and he obviously has no fucking clue what they're talking about

>>279809314
well he's familiar with plato that's for sure

>>279809247
Madoka and Homura are both selfishly selfless. They trample upon each other's sacrifices because they each prefer to be the martyr over suffering survivor's guilt.

>>279809530
>Madoka and Homura are both selfishly selfless. They trample upon each other's sacrifices because they each prefer to be the martyr over suffering survivor's guilt.
Hard agree. Not even Madoka is entirely selfless, i love the girl and her nature but it's the truth.

>>279809314
I think that's actually part of the reason why Madoka was successful, he wrote a story to write a story and didn't try to put philosophical musings at the forefront.
All of that can be extrapolated later based on the story itself and the ideas you can take from it. You don't have to write a movie about Nietzche's philosophy, you just write a movie and people pick up similar ideas and how they can relate to those philosophies on their own.

>>279808980
Yeah that’s like the whole point. Not sure why you said "now" when nobody ever pretended otherwise.

>>279809163
>Madoka was completely safe as Madokami
Yeah bro eternal loneliness, a fate worse than death, so safe
>that’s still putting Madoka’s safety above everyone else’s
Including her own yes
Not selfish
>she started witching out beforehand
But was going to be prevented from doing so. What’s your point?

>>279809247
Repeating something wrong over and over isn’t baiting, it’s just pretending to be retarded.

>>279809314
I mean the clara dolls literally chant Gott ist tot in the movie

>>279809614
His stories are more profound than GITS 2, that's for sure

>>279796684 (OP)
i thought it was clear madoka was buddhism and rebellion homura was nietzsche's ubermensch

>>279809671
Nta but just like the Faust stuff that was most likely not written by Urobuchi and probably came from Shinbo and other staff members

>>279809653
Ahh, if you talk like that, then it has bait potential.
>pretending to be retarded.
>implying

>>279809671
pretty sure the clara dolls were entirely an inu curry thing

>>279809747
I'm pretty sure he reads a lot. Just see his VNs

>>279809763
Just because you’re actually retarded doesn’t means you can’t pretend to be even more retarded than you already is.
Otherwise nobody would be doing it since only retards think pretending to be retarded is funny.

>>279796684 (OP)
it's bussin fr

>>279809811
*than you already are

>>279809614
Anno should take notes on how to integrate themes without overshadowing the story.

>>279809862
He already did that well in Gunbuster, for Eva he just lacked funds and when he finally got them he got butthurt over his boogeyman demographic being to one to bring them to him

>>279809616
Homura didn’t know about the exact conditions of Madoka’s existence. Even if Madoka is suffering, her suffering was preventing the suffering of thousands of people. So again, she prioritized the one over many because of their relationship. If Homura didn’t care for Madoka, she would not have done that.

>Including her own yes
At the time she did it, the thought she would get to fulfilling her own desires as well. It was only afterwards that she realized her own desires couldn’t be resolved with Madoka’s safety.

>>279809811
>Otherwise nobody would be doing it since only retards think pretending to be retarded is funny.
So according to your logic all people who pretended to be more retarded were already retarded. So they are not to blame for saying retarded things, it's just a biological handicap. So you should be patient with them.

>>279809983
>So again, she prioritized the one over many because of their relationship. If Homura didn’t care for Madoka, she would not have done that
And that still isn’t selfish because it didn’t benefit herself, only Madoka.
>At the time she did it, the thought she would get to fulfilling her own desires as well
Her own desires are the only ones she fulfilled. Madoka wants to sacrifice herself. Homura wants to prevent her from doing so. Homura did prevent her from doing so, disregarding Madoka’s desire. Her own desires were entirely fulfilled as far as we can tell since Madoka is now a normal human living a normal life.
I’m not sure why this is so hard for you to understand. Yes Homura is suffering, but her suffering was the price to pay so Madoka wouldn’t suffer, it’s a sacrifice. This actually proves she’s not selfish.

>>279804607
Rebellion is a genuinely gorgeous movie, visually.

>>279804607
it's incredible

I don't know anything about madoka, why would you?

>>279804607
Nice symbolism, plot and themes still go to the show though

>>279810256
Madoka coming back would have benefitted Homura because she would have been able to see her again. The fact that she is suffering because she can’t see Madoka is proof that she had both desires (one to see Madoka and one to save her) when she broke her off from Madokami.

>>279796684 (OP)

Average kyokofag small weenie in the image above me.

>>279809314
link?

Homura is so selfish.

The whole feeding-on-emotional-feedback thing has elements of Christian gnosticism and buddhism alike

>>279810580
>The fact that she is suffering because she can’t see Madoka
So the fact you made up?
She was suffering because she thought Madoka deserved better. She didn’t care about seeing her again.

>>279810643
She’s laughing so it’s obviously not a kyoukofag.

>>279810589
Looks like the guy is a shota. Is Kyouko stealing Tatsuya from Homura?

>>279811285
>suffering because she thought Madoka deserved better
You already said that part of her wants to see her in the new movie. But that doesn’t make any sense. Madoka is back in her old life. There’s nothing to make better. Even if it was making Madoka’s life better, she could easily get someone else to do that,

>>279811764
>There’s nothing to make better
That we know of, sure.
But it’s obvious red eyes Homura is an "evil" version that is different from the original, and will likely be the antagonist.

>>279812021
>that we know of
>homura's whole reason for suffering is some unknown thing that we the audience don't know anything about but I'm definitely sure it's the reason (despite not knowing anything about it)
Are you being serious right now?

>>279812340
What the fuck are you even talking about?
Homura’s reason for suffering is wanting Madoka to be safe while Madoka herself wants to sacrifice herself. It’s not unknown it’s very obvious

>>279812603
>she was suffering because Madoka wants to sacrifice herself
>she was suffering because she thought Madoka deserved better
These two statements are completely different.

>>279812695
No?
Madoka wants to sacrifice herself, and when she does, it leads to her entering a state where she deserves better.

sayaka izu berry foorishu

>>279813416
Then there's no reason for Homura to be suffering at the end of Rebellion because Madoka doesn't have to sacrifice herself anymore.

>>279813625
But she still tries to.
Homura has to prevent her from doing so, going against Madoka's wishes and nature

>>279813670
>tries
She involuntary turns into Madokami when Homura is around, her not because she wanted to. That's the whole reason Homura leaves at the end of the Rebellion. If it wasn't, she could prevent Madoka from sacrificing herself again.

>>279813764
I was saying tries as a figure of speech. But even in Kaiten it's likely she will get tricked into sacrificing herself too.

>>279796684 (OP)
Definitely not Christian as it is the Devil incarnate like all anime

>>279813929
No, you were just being retarded. Especially when you have to justify your position using a movie that isn't even out yet.

>>279814098
You're the one who began talking about Homura's universe specifically when the original debate was about her motivation for creating it.

>>279804607
It would have been good if only it didn't continue after its natural conclusion, ruining itself and its main character.

>>279796684 (OP)
The narrative is rather Christian (Kyubei as Satan, Madoka as Christ) while the philosophy is rather Buddhist (Kyubei as Mara, Madoka as a buddha), but strictly it's neither.

>>279796684 (OP)
The premise is faustian, and thus Christian-derived. The resolution is karmic and thus Hindu-derived (Buddhist).

>>279807046

Quiet thread, i love this.

bump

I lost to Nagisa and Sayaka. I'm the queen of jobbers...

>>279796684 (OP)
It's Madokaist.

>>279796698
100%?

>>279809593
Madoka's sin is vanity, she is anything besides selfless.

>>279807046

The red jobber

>>279796684 (OP)
I dunno, but the megucas cause me to commit a mortal sin every day.

>>279796684 (OP)
Neither.
>but bad things happen to the main character yet they still like everyone! That makes them literally every heckin religious figure ever!!111

>>279827457
Who are you quoting?

Kyoko the carpet muncher.

>>279810728
That Mami is too big

>Just fucking kill yourself.
>BV01, when are you going to do the world a favor and slit your throat?
>You could stream yourself shooting yourself in the head.
>No, if I ever had the chance to feed (!)Akemi anything, I'd just snap his neck.
>I can calmly tell you to blow your fucking brains out, because that's just a logical assertion.
>You cause problems. Therefore you are better off dead.
>Slit your throat now. Slit your throat now.
>Maybe, but you need to slit your throat first. Well, maybe not slit your throat, just do anything that will make you stop being alive. You too, (!)Akemi.
>Everyone wants people like you dead. It's why there's the death sentence. It's why even the bible had stories about turning people into pillars of salt. Death to disgusting worthless low lifes is the natural order.
>Blow your brains out with a gun.
>Wow, ten hours and you still have stabbed yourself in the eye socket with a screw driver?
>BV01, when are you going to stream yourself shooting yourself in the head?
>Still haven't killed yourself, huh. Really, you're just such a disgusting person. Why won't you kill yourself?
>I told you to blow your brains out. Because you should.
>Kill yourself, (!)Akemi.
>(!)Akemi, fucking kill yourself.
>FUCKING
>KILL
>YOUR
>SELF

be sure to read, actually

>>279831663
ACK looks like that and says that

>>279831663
what is the context of this

>>279832080
desuarchive.org/a/last/50/277712319/#q277777120_2828

>>279803012
There's a lot of buddhist elements. The twist literally happens because of karma

This drawing just hit the Japanese Twitter with 5 million views, and about half the people don't get the reference.
A sad state of affairs.

>>279796752
explain

Sayaka deep in conversation with Kyubey before her showdown with Homura.
INCUBATOR: You know you can't win this. It's suicide.
SAYAKA: I'm now older than Kyosuke ever was. This may be the only thing I do that matters.
INCUBATOR: 2 years of fighting witches, amounts to nothing?
SAYAKA: Witches are like weeds, pull one out another grows in its place. This, is about the future of the world. It's my legacy. My father told me a story once, about what our ancestors did for a living.
INCUBATOR: They were farmers?
SAYAKA: No. First generation, made their fortunes trading with the Americans. Pelts, skins and rugs.
INCUBATOR: ...
SAYAKA: They were hunters.

Was the shot of homura at the very end of the series added after rebellion or was it always there?

>>279835336
you mean the part where she's in the desert with weird witch wings? that was always there

>>279797679
Yes, enough about eva
Some of the worst threads on this board

>>279835691
Is it more accurate to put Asuka or Kensuke

>>279799748
You are correct that they are opposite messages.
But TTLG is anti Christian, and Homura is a true Christian born again into the image of Christ.
Madoka became an idol of cheap grace because she „saves“ everyone - but in fact she just kills them and promises them salvation without repentance.

But the LORD Jesus said: whoever wants to be my desciple must take up his own cross and follow me.

Guess which character in Madoka Magica did that?
It is Homura - Homura represents genuine salvation and sanctification.
Her witch is self sufficiency because self sufficiency is the opposite of grace.
And once she lets go of that she is saved by grace alone.

That is why she can pull Madoka from heaven, because that is the resurrection of the dead.

Simon rejects the resurrection of the dead saying that the dead should stay dead and that he is living for the future.
This sounds novel, but it is the opposite of the Christian message which is:
Jesus died and rose from the dead.
Paul even goes so far as to say that without the resurection of the dead all faith is meaningless and the Christians are the poorest of the poor people.

And then again he says:
That I may know him, and the power of his resurrection, and the fellowship of his sufferings, being made conformable unto his death; if by any means I might attain unto the resurrection of the dead.
Philippians 3:10-12 KJV

>>279826222
The is absolutely correct.
Madoka herself is cheap grace - she became an antichristian figure.
Homura is genuinely Christ like.
Homura is selfish only in the sense that she will not let Madoka do after her own vanity but will protect her even from herself.
Homura did nothing wrong.
Homura did everything right.
I will even God even further:
„If the world hate you, ye know that it hated me before it hated you.“
John 15:18 KJV
The world hates Homura - just as it hated Christ first; or rather because it still hates him.

>>279796684 (OP)
it is neither, but draws elements from both, elements which are present in pop culture, mind you. I doubt the butcher has a deep understanding of either religion

soloed walpurgis, btw

>>279826222
>Madoka's sin is vanity
explain

>>279826222
wrong, madoka´s sin is being a shameless girl... she must become my bride!

>>279839513
First and foremost, these are Madoka’s true feelings:
https://wiki.puella-magi.net/See_You_Tomorrow

Read the lyrics.
This is the same thing as she said in the flower scene, in the flower scene Homura realized that those are Madoka’s true feelings and that is why she did what she did.

Now the question now becomes:
Why did Madoka sell her soul to the devil regardless of that?
Because as she herself puts it, she wants to BE someone important, she laments that there is nothing special about her and dreams that she can be a hero or something like that.
For Madoka to be a magical girl is in itself the fulfillment of her wish - to be someone who saves others.
Madoka’s „selflessness“ is a projection of herself.
She is selfless because she wants to be someone who is selfless, because selflessness is a trait that she values and she wants to embody it.
Now - to BE something; even if that something is noble as an end is always by definition vanity.
This is why she sacrifices herself - to be someone who sacrifices herself.

This is the opposite of Homura. Homura does not care about what becomes of Her and how she is seen.

But what is Gods judgment in this:
„Charity suffereth long, and is kind; charity envieth not; charity vaunteth not itself, is not puffed up, doth not behave itself unseemly, seeketh not her own, is not easily provoked, thinketh no evil; rejoiceth not in iniquity, but rejoiceth in the truth; beareth all things, believeth all things, hopeth all things, endureth all things. Charity never faileth“
1 Corinthians 13:4-8 KJV
And the entire law is fullfilled in love your neighbor like yourself.

But Madoka is vanity.
She wants to be the one who saves.
This is finally reflected in their ultimate acts:
Madoka becomes an idol who is worshiped.

Homura is hated and denies herself, even calling herself a devil.
But who was called „demon possessed“ and „evil“ by the world - and crucified?

>>279842500
I don't think she wanted to be important, she just didn't want to be a burden for others. And...
Unrelated, but your posting style is weird and i don't know if it would end well, if i show any opposition to your ideas.
why don't we just agree that we see things just differently?

>>279796684 (OP)
Buddhism is schizobabble.

>>279844419
Why do you think so?

>>279844515
The moment you see a mention of "emptiness", you know the discussion will go nowhere and not lead to anything.
It's a waste of time, you should always ignore it and do the opposite of what "Buddhism" tells you to do.

>>279844741
>emptiness
You misunderstood 「空」.
If you can read Japanese, you should learn the correct meaning.

https://www.engakuji.or.jp/blog/34560/
It's an explanation of 「空」 from Engaku-ji.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Engaku-ji

>>279843420
You see vanity is insidious. Madoka first interaction with Homura was prideful and led Homura to idolize her. Then her vanity came out, Madoka did not ever show her Homura grace.

>>279845280
>https://www.engakuji.or.jp/blog/34560/
Yeah, that. Thanks.
It's useless!!! There's a lot of blogs like this and they have a bunch of words and stuff.
>The absence of self-nature means that various causes and conditions are combined and hypothesized to be established.
Who cares??
>In this way, it is said that by seeing the five clouds in the sky with the eyes of wisdom, you will be liberated from all suffering.
..
>The reason why we are liberated from suffering is because we can see with wisdom that there is no "ego" that is the cause of suffering.
There's a part where it goes from philosophy to self-help and says you'll become a cloud if you kill the 'self' and whatever way you interpret, it's probably not healthy either. I think you shouldn't try becoming an amoeba. You won't free yourself from suffering that way.
That's why you shouldn't follow this crazy cult.

>>279845800
>You see vanity is insidious.
I'm like a an instrument with less pitches than you, i'm simpler than you. So your guesses about me, most likely you will be wrong.
For me vanity is a must for certain people, and madoka is one of them for her appearance. Beauty is everything.

uehihihi

I want to stick my dick in crazy.

>>279847582
Stick thy dick in crazy, forfeit thy rights to crazy.

madok

>>279844419
Buddha seems kind of a fedora

>>279796684 (OP)
None, she's actually god

>>279796684 (OP)
It's one of the best yuris you can find.

>>279796684 (OP)
Latest smt frankensteins buddhist and gnostic christian principles, has a girl voiced by saito (and directed to use her homura voice) who pulls a knockoff rebellion except more girlfailurely.

>>279796684 (OP)
Madoka Magica leans more towards Buddhist concepts than traditional Christianity, though its influences are broadly philosophical.
Buddhist Fit:
* Samsara/Suffering Cycles: The magical girl system's endless loop of hope leading to despair, and the birth of witches from grief, strongly mirrors samsara – the cycle of suffering, death, and rebirth.
* Karma/Causality: Actions (even well-intentioned wishes) having proportional, often negative, consequences aligns with karma and interconnected causality.
* Anicca/Dukkha (Impermanence/Suffering): The constant struggle, loss, and impermanence of happiness for magical girls reflect the Buddhist understanding of suffering.
* Nirvana/Transcendence (Madoka's Ascension): Madoka's wish to erase all witches, sacrificing herself to break the cycle of suffering, is a powerful metaphor for achieving nirvana – transcending the cycle of rebirth and individual suffering. She becomes a concept.
* Karuna (Compassion): Madoka's core motivation is profound compassion for others.
Less Christian Fit:
* No Creator God/Redemption: There's no benevolent Christian God. Salvation isn't through faith or divine grace; it's a structural change driven by Madoka's will.
* Absence of Sin/Forgiveness: The narrative doesn't center on original sin, repentance, or divine forgiveness. Suffering stems from a mechanistic system.
* Sacrifice's Nature: Madoka's sacrifice is about altering a causal chain and ending a specific system of suffering, not atonement for universal sin in a Christ-like theological sense.
Conclusion:
While not a direct religious allegory, Madoka Magica's themes of cyclical suffering, causality, transcendence, and compassion align more strongly with Buddhist philosophy than traditional Christian theology.

>>279850336
really funny

>>279850852
It was not a joke.

>>279836120
you're an idiot. Madoka knew homura would pull her down. she sees every universe and set things up for that to happen.
>>279842500
>madoka chose a future where she would NEVER be important because she was erased from casaulity
>nobody in the entire world
christniggers: MADOKA IS A EXHIBITIONIST AND VAIN CUNT!

>>279845800
Madoka literally gave homura the key to pull her down at any time and achieve grace as you put it intentionally. she did not have to leave homura with anything. it was within her power to interpret her wish such that she would never understand madoka or even undo her wish from top to bottom like she chose not to do with sayaka. Madoka is the mover. more over she does not do so for any recognition, but only for the reasons she stated, to buey the spirit of other girls like her who where crushed for wanting to not be a burden on society that women are and tend to be.

>>279846210
in my opinion the values of the ninja are closer to madokas form of buddhism. in that fear of death creates the state of formlessness and a loss of identity. when you abandon your fears and embrace death, you obtain life, in such an analogy, the fear of death can push one to do unspeakable things, such as what the incubators do in fear of the death of the universe. in doing so, any good hearted creature they could be is destroyed. in becoming witches, a magical girl loses their identity and even though they ontologically survive, emotionally they are diciest. Madoka pis a preserving force, not karmic nihilism. the entire point of her character in the plot is to avert buddhist nihilism and the meaninglessness of the cycle of suffering by imbuing the universal laws with her own values.

>>279850336
correct

>>279851220
The schizo will think we are only messing around. Don't reply to him, there's no point in talking to him.

>>279847921
Trvke

>>279850336
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p6PWPb-DCkI

>>279850938
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_n5E7feJHw0

>>279851385
True, don’t reply to him. Reply to yourself instead.

Geg the yuri ‘cow got humiliated again
How many threads in a row does that make?

>i will say everyone who agrees is the same guy replying to himself
lol, the schizo did it again. It's not worth giving him more attention, just laugh at his delusions.

>>279796684 (OP)
At first I was thinking Christian cause Godoka echoes Jesus, but then I remembered this is a yuribait franchise which is a sin in Christianity, so Buddhist by default.

>>279851697
>yuribait
how

>>279851697
Sounds gay. Like Madoka

PFAHAHAHAHA what a lolcow

>>279850336
It's yuri. Wouldn't say it's the best though. That'd be the manga which is about to be adapted. Watanare or something. See you there friend.

Magireco ruined Madoka.

>>279851077
In Madoka’s character Song, mada ashita - see you tomorrow,
She says that she says: „see you tomorrow“ but it’s a lie.
„Instead of see you tomorrow I should have said, let me stay a bit longer.“

To your second point, the fruit of vanity is that you become important not as a person but as a tool a symbol.
It is essentially idolatry.

>>279850606
Madoka Magica is Christian, but Homura is Christ (or even clearer a Christian) - not Madoka.

>>279797842
"Homophobia" doesn’t exist, nobody is scared, YENBAW.
Yes the megucas hate fags and that’s a good thing

>>279852801
*YWNBAW

>>279852780
>To your second point, the fruit of vanity is that you become important not as a person but as a tool a symbol.
>It is essentially idolatry.
you can paint any sin as this if you sprout the entire form of it from disobedience alone. Madoka is not vain, she is simply not passive and obedient. The character who IS passive and obedient? that's hitomi, and the narrative makes it absolutely clear what subserviance gets you. Traditional values are not an escape from being used to destroy in the narrative of madoka. You ask why madoka then goes on to do anything other than NOT WISH

Narratively speaking we see the result of such behavior in hitomi; hardly an improvement in any way, she literally tries to kill herself and her friends. being ignorant to the truth of the world and suffering in order to earn salvation only earns her and madoka a death sentence. Madoka's choice was never to not make a wish
>b-but she said she wants to be around people!!!!!!!
I get that this is impossible for christfags to understand but sacrifice REQUIRES that you give up something meaningful to you. if Madoka did not want to come back it would not be a sacrifice. Similarly, if god dies for our sins but hes ackshully still alive then he didn't actually die for our sins.

In principle though the ironic thing is that God and Madoka are doing the exact same thing. They are rewriting the rules of the system to be more to their liking and less like they where in the past. The key point of divergence is that god, who is supposedly not vain in your eyes, absolutely and fundamentally requires that you suck him off and brown nose him to receive any salvation. While madoka drags those who do not want to be saved kicking and screaming. One is rewriting the rules of a system that is utterly indifferent to her, and the other created the very system he is rewriting in the first place.

Man, how dare madoka want to be with the people she cares about, what a vain person.

>>279853253
No, what the thing with Hitomi shows is that degeneracy harms not only the degenerates themselves but also the people who never got tricked and as such never got the "chance" to become degenerate. Thus saying it’s a societal threat and not merely a personal one.

Thread be jobbing to the phoneposting

>>279853344
kyoukonigger please stop butting in

>>279853406
Madokafaggot please stop saying things that are wrong and need to be corrected

>"it's one person!"
He is so fucking mad and mindbroken.

>>279851990
>>279852698
Why don't you reply to the schizo and tell him you are different people? You, yurifags, are only playing with his mind if you always avoid replying to him. Stop mindreaking the poor guy.

what does this guy have to do with anything

>>279853739
I dunno. Yuri is welcome here and did nothing wrong.

>>279853676
He is a homophobic, transphobic and ableist bigot, he fully deserves it. And yes, it’s obvious that you’re him falseflagging. Try dropping the /pol/ talk and slurs if you want people to believe you.

>>279854195
Trueflag btw

>>279854195
I'm not him. I don't have yurifags living rent free in my mind, actual homo behavior.

>>279854383
>Using homo as an insult
You are the only person in the world who acts this way.

>>279854481
what? are you triggered now?

>>279854564
You are the only person triggered by the fact that women can love people other than heteronormative white men.
Men are a thing of the past
White people are a thing of the past
You are on the wrong side of history, chud.

>>279854724
>heteronormative
stopped reading

>>279853253
Thank you for simultaneously denying the LORD Jesus and affirming Madoka.
This alone already proves my whole point.

„The world would love you as one of its own if you belonged to it, but you are no longer part of the world. I chose you to come out of the world, so it hates you.“
John 15:19 NLT

There are three points I am making:

1. Madokami is an idol of cheap grace.
2. Madoka in self destructively going and selling her soul is sinful, and the sin that drives her to do that is pride and vanity.
3. Homura is the true Christian, and in that effectively bears the image of Christ.

The reason why Madoka did what she did was out of a desire for her life to have meaning. It is inherently selfish.

And you shall know them by their fruits.
What does Homura say about the world that Madoka created at the cost of her soul?
„This world is not worth saving, tragedy and sadness repeat unendingly.“
And
„This is a place she once tried to protect.“

Madoka actually didn’t improve anything, she created a false hope; a cheap grace.
A salvation without repentance.


This however creates a problem:
Isn’t Homura practicing idolatry as well?
Well she was - until the flower scene, therein she realizes that Madoka is just a girl and to idealize her like that is false.
Therefore she does not hesitate anymore and pulls her from heaven - from the false suffering as a false idol that she herself created.
That is AiYo.
Charity that never fails.

>>279852721
On the contrary, MagiReco improved and saved Madoka.

>>279852721
It's not that bad. Definitely could've cut some characters though

KEKAROOOO DOES THE YURITROON REALLY

>>279854938
your welcome. it's always great when my opponents feel they get to turn their brain off and loudly admit that they shrink from debate and sincerity of thought.
>This alone already proves my whole point.
that's my line
>There are three points I am making:
You haven't made any of those points, just asserted them baselessly
>3. Homura is the true Christian, and in that effectively bears the image of Christ.
easily the most wrong of all of them, ironically, is this one, because homura represents the demonic force of MARA and she also is about as unchristian a force as you can possibly imagine in the context of christ, because her story embodies the likely true but suppressed ideological view of satan, not as a being who hates god but a being who hates humanity and gods love for the unworthy. Homura embodies that form of the adversary perfectly and like the adversary she serves as madoka's perfect tool to the end.
>And you shall know them by their fruits.
this is easily the fundamental truth that you are conceeding to me, though you already proved at the start that you are intellectually incapable of admitting to the truth of this I will explain for the benefit of anyone listening who might be christian or curious and fooled by your retardation;

In broad simplistic terms. WRITING and CHARACTER ARC is about the fruits of the characters view point. the theme of a story is given to a crop of different trees called characters and the story makes a definitive statement on that characters belief and values based on the fruits the story provides the characters. In Madoka magica, a anime about young girls who are meant to be powerless achieve power against the natural order through magic, what are the ramifications of this? is it a good thing? a wonderful thing? a terrible thing? you will know how it can be based on their fruits

Mami? ignorance? dead, murderous even
Kyouko? dead, bargaining destracting
sayaka? rage and anger. despair, dead
homura? barely survives.

>>279854938
fails, ultimately saved at the last moment
hitomi? ignorant, tries to kill, easily food and fuel for a systematic harvesting of humanity.
and Madoka? She gave up some of what she wanted but she bore fruit. she created a world that not only bore her own fruits, but made the fruits of the unworthy bountiful. She is not a cheap grace, the story emphatically shows that she gives rise to salvation.

>>279855567
>>279855612

>Homura represents the demonic force
The pharisees said that about chirst as well.

You are again proving everything I said correct:

You deny Christ - so you are not saved, instead you are dead in sins and transgressions; and you know nothing about the spirit of God. (John 3:18, 1 John 2:23, 1 Corinthians 2:14, John 14:17)

In the same spirit you hate Homura and call her a demon.
Just how the Pharisees called Jesus evil, even though he did only good things and never sinned.

You are saying that Madoka Represents the genuine salvation.
But the Bible clearly says: Without the ressurection of the dead our faith is meaningless.
But where is the resurrection of the dead in Madoka Magica - its what Homura manages to archive.
Madoka is just a God of death.

The very definition of Cheap Grace is "Automatic Salvation" - which is EXACTLY what Madoka does. It is the definition of Cheap Grace, this is not even up for debate.

The true Christ does not offer cheap grace, instead there is only one way:
The way of the Cross.
Who wants to save their life, will lose it.
Who wants to lose it for my sake, he will save it.

And your "Mara" concept is also the problem right there - yes, Homura represents desire, attachment and resurrection.

In Buddhism this is bad.

HOWEVER Christ also represents those entire things.
God gave his only son because he so LOVED the world.
The entire law is fullfilled in: You shall love your neigbor like yourself.
And the final destination of faith is the ressureciton of the dead.

The image of Christ you have is probably culrutally informed and likely has absolutely nothing at all to do with the real Jesus Christ or the God of the Bible.
You can continue to deny both Christ and Homura for the attributes that they have in common, but at least admitt that this is what you are doing - or that you have no clue what so ever about those things.

You err, for you know neither the scripture; nor the power of God. (Matthew 22:29)

>>279856375
>But where is the resurrection of the dead in Madoka Magica?
you didn't watch the show christnigger
anyway homura saving madoka is more like satan going back to 0ad and preventing the crucifixion

>>279856375
>And your "Mara" concept is also the problem right there - yes, Homura represents desire, attachment and resurrection.
>
>In Buddhism this is bad.
>
>HOWEVER Christ also represents those entire things.
oh and by the way, no christ is the opposite of all of that. the entire point really. your entire obsession with vanity goes back to the hebrew and or greek word of pointlessness and uselessness. it is a remark on how the world is vile and does not deserve to be saved and that there is nothing of value within it. rather than being brought from this unperfect existance into the heavens as madoka and christ promise the their saved, homura does not wish for a world free from sin, decay, and pain.

>>279856563
>homura does not wish for a world free from sin
Read the lyrics to Kimi no Gin no niwa
>christ is the opposite of all that
The three things are:
>Desire, attachment, and resurection.
You can think for yourself why its clear that Christ represents resurrection.

>attachment and desire
Desire is both positive and negative - of course Christ only represents positive desire, which is love.
The resurrection inherently - as the Buddhists rightfully pointed out is attachment.
Even greater attachment is manifestation.
God so LOVED the world that he gave his only beloved son.
But it’s not only that he even goes as far as to say this:

“I am the good shepherd. The good shepherd sacrifices his life for the sheep. A hired hand will run when he sees a wolf coming. He will abandon the sheep because they don’t belong to him and he isn’t their shepherd. And so the wolf attacks them and scatters the flock. The hired hand runs away because he’s working only for the money and doesn’t really care about the sheep. “I am the good shepherd; I know my own sheep, and they know me, just as my Father knows me and I know the Father. So I sacrifice my life for the sheep. I have other sheep, too, that are not in this sheepfold. I must bring them also. They will listen to my voice, and there will be one flock with one shepherd. “The Father loves me because I sacrifice my life so I may take it back again. No one can take my life from me. I sacrifice it voluntarily. For I have the authority to lay it down when I want to and also to take it up again. For this is what my Father has commanded.”“
John 10:11-18 NLT

Christ desires his sheep to be gathered together, he herds them and calls all of them by their names.
He is ATTACHED to them.
And he Desires their salvation.
God even goes so far as to say that everything happens for their benefit.
And at the end when he returns he will resurrect them so that not one of them will be lost.

>>279856497
Homura archived the resurrection of the dead.

After Homura everyone is alive.
After Madoka the dead are still dead.

>>279857183
>Read the lyrics to Kimi no Gin no niwa
already did
>The three things are:
you're the one who started all this with vanity, and attachemnt to the mortal world is the very definition of vain. it's the wellspring from which vanity became a vice in the biblical story, but why expect christniggers to read the bible? they never will. It's like asking a boomer what comes after "honor thy mother and father" they will just tell you the verse ends there with a straight face. unaware of the immense stupidity and hypocracy

>>279857235
you didn't watch the show mcchristfag

>>279857326
Vanity is not the attachment to others.
You are again mixing things in a very dishonest way.
Seeking after the things of this world is not the same thing as loving another.

The Bible clearly distinguishes between them:
„Do not love this world nor the things it offers you, for when you love the world, you do not have the love of the Father in you. For the world offers only a craving for physical pleasure, a craving for everything we see, and pride in our achievements and possessions. These are not from the Father, but are from this world. And this world is fading away, along with everything that people crave. But anyone who does what pleases God will live forever.“
1 John 2:15-17 NLT

But also:
„So now I am giving you a new commandment: Love each other. Just as I have loved you, you should love each other.“
John 13:34 NLT

And
„Dear friends, let us continue to love one another, for love comes from God. Anyone who loves is a child of God and knows God. But anyone who does not love does not know God, for God is love. God showed how much he loved us by sending his one and only Son into the world so that we might have eternal life through him. This is real love—not that we loved God, but that he loved us and sent his Son as a sacrifice to take away our sins. Dear friends, since God loved us that much, we surely ought to love each other.“
1 John 4:7-11 NLT

Attachment and desire to others as written in 1. Corinthians 13 is charity, and it is the full command of the entire law.

There is no vanity in charity, in fact it’s its opposite.
Vanity is to love yourself more then you love others.

>>279857968
My beautiful wives

>>279857968
cute couple

>>279854938
>>279856375
Your arguments are interesting, at the very least.
But isn't Homura more like a Nietzshean Ubermensch, than a religious figure? A human without divine origins, who rejects not just idols, but the only known god - Madoka?
I feel like that's the closest to what the writers had intention for, with the rest - like comparisons to Christianity and Buddhism being only speculative?

>>279854938
>12 year old gets offered the chance to be a super hero just like my animes
>This demonic being of vanity personifies Pride in its abstract is a moral critique of charity for the purpose of pride

nigger what the fuck are you smoking

>>279859873
Yes this is correct.
However one does not exclude the other.
I am not saying that Homura is literally Christ.
I am saying that her actions in rebellion display that which the Bible says will happen when someone is born again:
He will increasingly become Christ like and will be perfected into his image.

This is essentially Homura story:
Homura started as completely lost, and then she encountered Madoka.
From that point forward Homura grew and perfected herself.
However Madoka herself is not Christ - the Madoka that saved Homura was in just a girl in loop one.

The issue however was that all this time Homura was practicing idolatry by following idealizing Madoka, that is until the flower scene where she recognizes that Madoka is just a girl whom she loves.
And then the truth sets her free: before she could not pull Madoka from heaven because it would violate the idol, but since she is now free she can do it.

Madoka is not a god.

The correct Christian terminology would be:
At the end Homura is regenerated by having been given a new heart.
(Which is basically what colorful is about:
„You touched my heart and it shined turning into a brilliant color.“)

But she does not yet know about the forgiveness of sins and that Jesus paid for everything.
That’s the one thing that she lacks.

Regarding Nietzsches Übermensch:
Nietzsche himself said that whatever happens out of love is always beyond good and evil.
But God says that the definition of good is that it happens out of genuine love.

The thing about Nietzsche ist that Christ was his Übermensch all along, but he couldn’t accept it because he grew up in a Lutheran church, which - ironically enough - was poisoned by cheap grace.
Cheap grace is both the vice that poisoned the Lutheran church and destroyed it. And which Madokami represents, and which Nietzsche hated so much.
Basically you can read rebellion as a second reformation - a rebellion against cheap grace.

I want to fuck Sayaka and make her my wife.

>>279859946
>a 12 year old sinned and therefore it’s not that bad.
We are by nature children of wrath.

Also: LMAO I actually got a warning for posting Madoka Magica theology in a Madoka Magica thread, have the mods actually gotten fucking insane beyond all reason?
For a high quality Madoka analysis post?
Are you actually mad.
This is a genuine new low for 4chan as a whole

>>279862408
Its not as high quality as you think it is. Madoka is an exploration of utilitarianism not Christian sacrifice.

>>279863168
If you think that this is all there is to Madoka Magica then you don’t care about it, nor have you given it much thought.

>>279862408
Not gonna lie your post kind of looks like something made by chatGPT

>>279863479
NTA but did people really got so lame that any argumentation with effort instead of shitposting is now under suspicion of being AI?

Good aftergoon.

>>279862408
>Also: LMAO I actually got a warning for posting Madoka...
I wonder if it's because they don't like to hear the words of the lord, or another reason.

>>279862408
>Also: LMAO I actually got a warning for posting Madoka Magica theology in a Madoka Magica thread, have the mods actually gotten fucking insane beyond all reason?
What were you thinking, discussing Madoka Magica in their lesbianism fetish thread?

>>279863444
Have you considered you are mentally ill and projecting a bunch of your schizophrenic hallucinations on Madoka to give something you like an extra layer of meaning that doesn't exist in the media or the author's original intent?

>>279854724
>White people are a thing of the past
But without white people who will protect you? Where do you think your kind has more rights?

>>279864928
To be fair to xim, white people hate fags. It's only the jews who support fags.

>>279864989
>white people hate fags.
Then is not enough, they lack hatred.

>>279865272
That is true.
But mostly because you can never hate fags enough.

>>279865463
>the same gay trick again
I don't understand, if you know how i am why do you reply to me? I don't think you are new.

Well some people never learn...

>>279796684 (OP)
The qur'an, madoka is based on the prophet mohammed

>>279858654
>Vanity is not the attachment to others.
thankyou for saying that madoka is OBJECTIVELY not vain then
>you are dishonest
no thats (((you)))

Where are all anons that told me i'm boring in pas threads... maybe i bored them so hard that they even left the thread... my talent for boring people surpassed limits.

Now comes best senpai, mami.

Holy Mami! I like thicc

>>279866196
This is exactly the distinction between Christianity and all other religions:

Madoka is inwardly selfish in her heat but outwardly selfless.
Homura is inwardly selfless in her heart but outwardly selfish.

God calls the first one „sin“ - in this case vanity.
And the second one „righteousness“ - in this case love.
You may disagree with God but it is still the truth, and that makes it your problem alone.

>>279864913
>Projecting a bunch of meaning.
No the meaning is already there, you just have to look.
Also all truth is Gods truth.
Madoka Magica is like the altar to the unknown God in Athenes from the book of Acts.
What you are saying in actuallity is this:
There is no grand truth behind this world!
Which is to say:
God does not exist - therefore it is impossible that all great things will proclaim his glory.

But he does.
And Madoka Magica is secretly proclaiming the Glory of God!
Hallelujah!

>>279866960
>jew fails arguement
>retreats to previous defeated arguement while ignoring his losses
many such cases
i dont know what you get out of this ACK and or kyouko nigger or whoever the fuck you are but you didn't even watch madoka so you should fuck off please.

>>279852721
Scene 0 was the last nail in the coffin?
>What's that, buddy? You've got an idea for a time travel story? Sorry, we don't have an open slot to publish it as a book or an anime, but I'll tell you what, I bet we can find a way to squeeze it into the Madoka Magica universe!
I kid you not, they openly admitted this is how it was made in an interview.

>>279867188
why did I put a question mark on the first line?

>>279867188
eh I just look at sneed0 as pretty decent fanfiction. it's really not bad as its own thing

>>279867144
>>279867144
I will go even one step further (then even he will):
There is no unnatural sexual attraction in Madoka Magica.
There is not a single homosexual character in the entire show.
Calling Homura gay is to call „charity“ itself gay, which is like calling God gay, and therefore it is blasphemy against the LORD.
I debated whether to go as far as to say that it is blasphemy against the spirit of truth as well, but I myself was guilty of it in the past and I repented of that sin.
Therefore it is possible to repent from it; there is still hope for you lot yet.

PS: hello mods?
Are you actually insane?
What is the OP of this thread?
Is Madoka Magica a Christian or Buddhist anime - how is making arguments for either of those things off topic.
You may disagree with what I say (because you are godless and understand nothing of the spirit and are totally depraved).
But it’s not off topic.
Hello
Hello
Hello
Anyone home?
You are literally destroying discussion and just creating an environment for shitposts.
Like do you actually hate Madoka Magica?
Like even someone who disagrees with the content should appreciate that it’s actually taken seriously instead of posting the same low quality pics all the time.
I can not believe that this new low is actually what we have reached now.

>>279867646
>hello mods are you insane
no you are. anyone, even the most dyed in the wool christfag who hates madoka, would know you are wrong as long as they watched the show. you didn't. you're just making up a bunch of bullshit.

>>279867188
sauce me I want to post it every time someone drums up that crap

>>279867172
>>279867228
>>279867387
so mamifag, how do you feel now that you know mami didn't make it?
>huh?
didn't you hear the schizo? mamis dead.

>>279867703
https://www.famitsu.com/news/202309/27316972.html

>>279867678
Oh they actually made ACK into a mod now and it’s you?
That’s how it happened and now he calls everyone ACK who disagrees with him to spite it?
Is that what happened?
That’s the only reasonable explaination for what is going on

>>279867724
>so mamifag
I'm not a mamifag, wish there were more of them. I'm a madokafag and... i don't hear schizos.

>>279867794
> i don't hear schizos.
based
and no i dont mean you are some kind of named mamifag just the one itt posting mami

>>279867789
anon all you have to do is spend 6 hours watching a show called mahou shoujo madoka magica. dont just speedwatch it on alphoomer scrub mode. you just sit down, and watch the show. it shows things that are unilatteral incompatable with the schizobabble you are spouting. Textual not subtextual. The only way for you to be right is if god literally transported you across timelines as a joke

>>279867935
no you

>>279867935
>bro if you ignore all the lyrics, the symbolism, the runes, basic logic, the references it is clearly quoting, the historic context, the aesthetics, and you don’t think about it at all but just take it on the surface level, then your interpretation makes no sense to me!

madoka magica is yuri, also madokafag go kill yourself

>>279868042
anon i already told you it's in the text not subtext. you are basically saying sayakas hair is pink in multiple different ways. you didn't watch the show. go watch the show

>>279868075
>madokafag go kill yourself

>>279868077
>the symbolism and subtext don’t matter
>in Madoka Magica
If you genuinely believe that then I am so sorry for you

>>279867646
>I will go even one step further (then even he will):
>There is no unnatural sexual attraction in Madoka Magica.
>There is not a single homosexual character in the entire show.
this is actually true but modern fake "yurifags" (actually lesbofags) cannot accept it

>true but modern fake "yurifags" (actually lesbofags)
>he is not a yurifag, he just likes to watch lesbos in anime
I can't understand anything nowadays, i will tell myself that most of you are chatgpt bots.

>>279868131
>if you genuinely believe that
anon you are brain damaged, I didn't say symbolism is irrelevant, I am saying that you are making it obvious you didn't watch the show by saying stuff happens in it that factually did not. if I said a giant godzilla shows up and takes a shit on saotome sensei people who watch the show would know I am incorrect regardless of symbolism.

>>279861279
based!!!

I watched Rebellion today. Goddamn, what a depressing ending, I gotta praise it for daring to go that route but I think I would've preferred to see Homura die. I *really* hope Walpurgisnacht Rising doesn't end in a sour note

Also, I don't understand MadoHomu shippers, even before this movie. As much as I like Homura, the ship is way too one-sided for my taste

>>279868075
oh hey your ban expired
Canonically straight franchise, btw. Even the staff said so.
https://wiki.puella-magi.net/Nitro+_Q&A_Panels_at_Animagic_2013
https://wiki.puella-magi.net/Puella_Magi_Madoka_Magica_the_Movie:_Rebellion_Official_Guidebook_%22Only_You%22
Sorry you trooned out so your waifu Homura would love you back because you got gaslit by jews into thinking she wasn't into men. It's never too late to detroon - unless you already harmed your own body, in which case i wish you the best of luck in fixing that. Or you could become a statistic, your choice. I wonder how your bf would react if you did.

>>279867646
Ah, so that's why you're getting censored.
Based anon. You're much less schizophrenic than most regulars here.

>>279868201
He's probably one of the guys who think yuri doesn't have to be gay, despite it always being in the very definition of the genre
His kind only serves to muddy the waters so people who call straight series yuri don't get called out, even if 99% of the time they mean to call it gay.

>>279868075
Can you please tell a more detailed description about who is "madokafag"? Because it seems another guy felt addressed. So it was not me, right?

>>279869300
He believes every antiyurifag in these threads is the same person and that you are that person, because he's brain damaged. Or as he himself puts it, brain damexed.
He also takes you two separate twitter users somehow.

Post lesbians

>Women have their hair do that when they turn around
That's pretty cool. Women are cool. I don't know why they feel they need "progressive" bullshit to be cool, they already are.

>>279869728
Why would we do that on a het series thread?
Also, when are you starting?
>reddit filename
Yeah that explains it

>>279869382
Got it, so he is basically another 3letters of the bunch? another one? that's sad.
I hope he gets better and learn to tell apart anons in the future. I don't come home to fight with an army of 3letters. Brother my brother...

It's already too late for him sadly, just like his bf, but for other reasons.
The sad part is Homura would most likely have loved him back originally by seeing his dedication.
But now he turned himself into a monstrosity and his reasoning for doing so was an insult towards her, she obviously wouldn't love him back now and would deal with him the same way she deals with the other witches.
So sad, this is why internet rabbit holes can be dangerous.

Well, at least Homu has the good homubro that's on the other site.

WTF happened? What did I miss?

>>279846210
What a typical baka gaijin! You only see what you want to see.

>>279847581
Make Apple Great Again!

>>279870624
Make Apple Small Again!

>>279867188
>>279867212 >>279867360 >>279867703
Canon Prequel. Deal with it.

>>279870771
It seems like you're always on Madoka threads. Have there been any changes?

>>279870553
it should be madoka and homura desu
preferably with sayaka facepalming

>>279871196
It should be Homura and Kyouko

>>279871067
I come everyday but sometimes just a moment.
>Have there been any changes?
From what i remember not much interesting things. Mostly just schizos being schizos and schizoposting.
Most interesting things in have seen in last months were an anon posting his project about some cool lights with his pc(i don't know how to explain it) with madoka theme and his keyboard with runes of witches. Other anon posted a nice video about how to setup an emulator to play old madoka psp games.

>>279871525
Yeah, some anon is a great guy unlike three letters and the henchman.

actually madoka threads are are dead imo:
>It's yuri, no! it's not yuri
>It's him my boogeyman he is behind every post/joke i don't like
>Look at this anon, this is his shitposting history on desu
>anon who believes he is smarter because he makes long posts, and the other who believes he is smarter because he was able poke holes in certain parts of the long post

>>279871844
Don't you worry! Kaiten is coming soon!

>>279871844
it's been a very long decay. just imagine how bad they'll be a year from now

>>279870173
Nothing much. Some retard (probably French) went to raid vg cause butthurt about the Yuri posts. Again

Lol. Lmao even.

>>279871756
>henchman
Who?