>"dude watch fate it's so fucking kino"
>start watching it
>like 10 episodes in, constantly thinking to myself "what the fuck is this kino"
>mfw I've been watching some retarded sequel all along

>>279901478 (OP)
It's a prequel.

>>279901478 (OP)
Not even Urobuchi's best work

nasushit is garbage. urobucher version is the only decent one

>>279901478 (OP)
prepare to be disappointed because the main series is much worse

Zero is the last and worst adaptation you should "watch."

Fate was never good. There isn't a single good rendition of it, you got trolled OP

Fatefags told me Heaven’s Feel is better than Fate/Zero. Oh, how they fucking lied to me. Shirou sucks. The school setting sucks. Teenage cast sucks. And muh deep complex MC Shiro feels like child’s play compared to the legit battle royale in Fate/Zero.

>>279901686
It's just fans of the original game too ashamed to admit it got outdone by a spinoff. which is embarrassing so their frustrations are somewhat understandable

>>279901686
It's supposed to suck. That's why it's good.

>>279901478 (OP)
Fate zero is peak and Kino. Everything gilgamesh and kotomine kirei had going on was really interesting, Kiritsugu's ending was really interesting, Iskandar is a fantasically written character with s unique perspective, even the bug guy was a neat little side story.

Fate stay night was actual fucking dogshit. I watched UBW too, that's the one people like (no, i am not going to play the visual novel). Adult Shirou fucking traveled back in time with literal demigod powers because he knew factually, indisputably, that young shirou was on a bad path, and then still ended up agreeing with him and lost a fight to literally his own less trained less powerful self. And BOTH of the actually good main billains got offscreened to make room for a guy with 4 scenes total across the whole show.

>>279901598
Zero is the only unironically good thing to come out of fate and you can't give even 2 valid reasons im wrong

>>279901933
The characters are older but they and the story are much less mature than FSN. By giving each master/servant pair focus, none of them receives enough development and comes off as shallow. The story is over the top edge and suffering that puts HF to shame. Everyone acts like a retarded asshole manchild - the child tentacle serial killers, the unprepared elitist clock tower magus who gets cucked by his fiancee over a mole, their servant who wanted to treat the HGW as an honor larp, Kiritsugu who monologues about slaughter hamburgers and denies saber her scabbard of immortality, saber's mischaracterization as an honorfag along with lancer, Tokiomi who tells the strongest servant to NOT kill everyone on the very first night and then tells 80 assassins to kill themselves, every single thing about Kariya. Waver is the youngest but also most mature character of the cast, and he only enters the war for clout and just so happens to summon Iskandar.

>>279902210
tldr?

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>>279901478 (OP)
I see what your doing anon and I like it.

>>279901478 (OP)
>dude watch fate
said no actual TM fan ever

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>>279902353

>>279902378

>>279901478 (OP)
You seem to have some sense, so be sure to start with the 2006 DEEN series and not the 2014 ufotable sequel or dogshit movies.

>>279902425

>>279902456

>>279901478 (OP)
If you don't like Fate Zero you might as well drop the whole thing.
FSN (anything touched by Nasu really) is much worse by comparison

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>>279902502

>>279902210
Saber was never a well written character so even "honorfag" is still the best characterization she's ever recieved. The clocktower mage is a goofy side character who only shows up like twice. Kritsugu kept the scabbard because he fucking needed it, and he would've lost his fight with kotomine without it so he was right to do so. Yeah Tokomi is a dumbass, that's why he gets killed halfway through to make room for an actually good character. Waver's literal entite characterization is being immature. He doesn't know who he is or what he wants, in contrast with every ither character who does. And come on, the serial killers were fun. They're not complex but they're fun saturday morning cartoon style season 1 villains.

>>279902296
farking this
>>279901478 (OP)
you should read the vn NOW

>>279902532
>Saber was never a well written character so even "honorfag" is still the best characterization she's ever recieved
And just like that I know the entire post is garbage. Thanks for letting me know early.

Fate/Zero and the UBW anime are the best things to come out of Fate.

>>279902548
based

watching zero first is a bad idea because the rest of the franchise will seem worse after.

>>279902560
If there's some obscure spinoff where she's well written, i havent seen it, but in stay night she was just generically protective with no personality beyond that and baggage from zero, and also kissed a 15 year old in one of the routes

>>279902613
If you have shit taste maybe. /Zero is fine but it's just a prequel and companion piece to f/sn. Watching it on its own is not very satisfying.

>>279902613
Watching zero first spoils the only good part of the franchise.

>>279902686
Fate/Stay Night is not a series you watch just for plot twists. It's very much a character driven series steeped heavily in its themes and symbolism. F/Z is more accessible to normalfags because it doesn't try to be much more than a drama and a tragedy. That simplicity and large cast of characters is endearing on its own, and it's surely satisfying for people looking for "just a battle royale", but F/SN has a lot more meat on it. It has a smaller, focused cast with the side characters representing obstacles to their internal developments. F/Z doesn't have that sort of structure or thought put into it.

>>279902646
started with apocrypha. Kinda liked it. Watched zero. Loved it, apart from irisveil and saber's parts being slow. Watched Stay night (UBW). Hated it. Have never hated a show more. It makes every possible bad decision. Adult shirou is, by the logic of the story, objectively, factually correct, yet still loses ideologically to his younger self. every single interesting character gets offscreened, barely-trained teenagers are competing with immortal demigods in real fights, there's no actual resolution to anything, it constantly contradicts its own power system with no explanation (noble phantasm that rewrites causality to always pierce the heart just doesnt work, mage can use true magic even though the whole point of the grail war is to unlock true magic, shirou loses to an objectively more powerful and more trained version of himself that has all his training and abilities plus centuries of experience and counter-force powers)

>>279902686
It spoils UBW?

>>279901478 (OP)
whatever you do OP, don't fall for the "read the vn" memes
it's one of the longest running in jokes on this site and even i've fallen for it myself

>>279902813
>(noble phantasm that rewrites causality to always pierce the heart just doesnt work
Even Archer states later that it's still a spear, if you're outside of its range it can't hit you, the causality thing doesn't matter. You see him jump away just as Lancer is about to use it on him and he brags about that. In Saber's fight vs Lancer she does exactly that. Her luck triggered her sixth sense and she jumped back, getting struck but not in the heart.
You also complain about "no resolution" but that is factually incorrect on every conceivable level. I have to ask you: what the hell wasn't resolved to you?

The fake vs. real discourse? Culminated in Saber (real) defeating Assassin (fake), and Shirou (fake) beating Gilgamesh (true), with the ultimate take-away being "real and fake matters less than the passion behind it".

The Emiya's dreams (kiritsugu and shirou) ends up in a definitive answer of "it's impossible, but still worth working for". Like you don't just refuse to save someone just because they'll die anyway some day.

Saber found her parallel in Shirou, and his aggressive march to the future without regrets even if it ends up in a known failure state. To bang it off, in the future, we see evidence that Shirou will go further than Archer and likely live longer.

>mage can use true magic
No one uses true magic in F/SN until the Heaven's Feel route when Ilya uses Heaven's Feel to re-plant Shirou's soul in a flower.
>shirou loses to an objectively more powerful and more trained version of himself that has all his training and abilities plus centuries of experience and counter-force powers)
If you mean Archer yes, Archer gives up. He could have killed Shirou 10 times over but the fight wasn't about physical prowess. He wanted Shirou to give in to despair and say "you're right, this is pointless". Instead it was Archer who wasreminded of the beauty of his flawed ideal.

>>279901749
Curious that I watched Zero when it first aired, and only recently read the VN, and yet it's pretty clear how much better the latter is.

>>279902813
You write all of that and are still too stupid to understand that Archer and Shirou are the same person. Archer never wanted to kill Shirou, and he never gave up on the same ideals that Shirou believes in.

>>279903015
I don't understand how people can like Zero better either. It's good, but it never reaches F/SN's heights.

>>279903047
the issue is F/SN was never good in the first place
Zero isn't really remarkable either

>>279903031
>and he never gave up on the same ideals that Shirou believes in.
That was Archer's biggest flaw in his argument. Throughout his entire plan to obliterate Shirou, he was still conspiring to win the grail war and keep all the worst possible people from winning it, even trying to pave an easy path for Saber's win.
>>279903070
You sure spend a lot of time in Fate threads for someone who pretends not to like Fate.

>>279901478 (OP)
Fate is just amwf propaganda.
>FSN has female king Arthur give her virginity to a Japanese high school boy
>Medea instantly forgets her marriage to the Greek hero Jason to get bred by a Japanese kungfu wobbly fist master
>Medusa gets wet thinking about Japanese dick
>Tohsaka ancestor implied to have married and impregnated an Edelfelt Sister from the 3rd Grail War
>Kotomine's white wife literally dies trying to fix him
>FZ has a prestigious German family hire a Japanese mage to impregnate their crown jewel, he also happens to have a devout assistant who happily serves as his stress relief
>FApoc has the queen of ancient kingdom fall in love with a literallywho Japanese
>FE has a Roman empress fall in love with a Japanese boy
>FGO goes hard with this, Japanese teenager/college student/shota is sought after by female knights, goddesses, witches, queens/empresses, etc.

>>279903090
In HF he goes straight into CG mode when shit starts falling apart, and he explicitly states he can't understand or agree with that version of Shirou.

>>279903090
>You sure spend a lot of time in Fate threads for someone who pretends not to like Fate
damn anon you got me! doesn't change what i said at all though. i just hope i can save someone else from wasting their time like i did

>>279903146
Yup. He clearly obviously still held on to that ideal even while criticizing Shirou for it.
Shirou is still obviously naive and inexperienced with the sorts of hard dilemmas Archer has had to face. Ultimately HF Shirou does learn to prioritize his loved ones over strangers, but conveniently managed to save everyone as well anyway.
>both swords make a pure white (unbalance) yin-yang
KINOko Nasu 10/10

>>279901686
Well the source is a porn game, what the fuck did you expect? It's just dumb fun, don't think too deep into it

>>279903360
>American looking for excuses to not think again

>>279902210
>saber's mischaracterization
You already got a whole route adapted by Deen for that. I swear, Fatefags put so much emphasis on her adaptation they completely forget the peak fight between Kiritsugu and Kirei happens in the same episode.

>>279903383
You don't think at all with Zero. You just sit back and watch the gore and explosions, because that's all it has to show you. I believe ufo chose to adapt it first to intentionally attract new casuals to fate.

>>279902963
>He could have killed Shirou 10 times over but the fight wasn't about physical prowess. He wanted Shirou to give in to despair and say "you're right, this is pointless". Instead it was Archer who wasreminded of the beauty of his flawed ideal.
1) his stated goal is to KILL his younger self to prevent exactly that ill-fated idealism.
2)archer himself had that same idealism and got over it why the fuck he get swept up in it again
>Saber found her parallel in Shirou
was that a goal of hers? because It was not established
>To bang it off, in the future, we see evidence that Shirou will go further than Archer and likely live longer.
that is a genuine unironic plot hole. He's the same fucking person in exactly the same circumstances, what do you fucking mean he goes further, that makes no sense.
>You also complain about "no resolution" but that is factually incorrect on every conceivable level. I have to ask you: what the hell wasn't resolved to you?
well for ome, shirou doesnt get with any of his romantic options. The final episode has him and Rin still just like awkwardly in that tsundere friends-who-like-each-other-but-wont-admit-it stage. No one actually got any wish so the entire war was ultimately pointless, I have no idea what kiritsugu's fucking goal was because he got offscreened, same deal with all the homunculous stuff that was just never mentioned again after hercules got killed, even shirou himself is still the same explicitly naively idealistic high school kid he started out as, he didn't progress as a character at all, he just had his existing beliefs reinforced. even side characters like mage, that teacher dude, and lancer, got killed mid-arc with no resolution. It quite literally blue balled us on almost every single plot point.

>>279901478 (OP)
>"what the fuck is this kino"
Correct. Kinoshitters ought to be disemboweled.

>>279902963
>>279903449
*kotomine, not kiritsugu

>>279903449
No wonder you like Apocrypha.

>>279903441
huh? Zero has the most intricately character-focused story of any fate thing i've seen. Kotomine and kiritsugu both have some of the most interesting arcs i've seen in any media, wven if you remove every scene that isn't just people talking

>>279903449
The final episode literally shows Shirou and Rin together at the clock tower as a couple. They don't look head-on into the screen and scream at the viewer that they are fucking, but apparently someone like you needs that.

>>279903449
bro you're really just asking people to force-feed you the entire anime because you didn't pay attention to a single thing in it.
No shit you're not gunna like something if you're not even watching it.

>>279903031
the fu-then why did he GO BACK IN FUCKING TIME if it wasn't to fucking stop himself?

>>279903522
see >>279903515. Just like every story is not going to spoonfeed you the obvious, neither will I with this post.

>>279903476
Apocrypha was ok. It's well-animated action slop. It's nowhere near the level of zero in my opinion

>>279903500
the stay night fags have found the thread and have commenced their coping ritual. it's time to abort

>>279903545
>every single impact including fists is a distorted bass boosted CLANG
I have just ruined apoc for you, forever.

>>279903522
That was a side-goal. In Fate and HF routes he's fine with Shirou, but calls him retarded.
In UBW, Rin kept dragging Archer face-to-face with Shirou's idiocy and he got disgusted. He then decided to kill Shirou and try to make him give up on his ideal to validate his cynical view that he gained on it during his time as Counter Guardian.
He has no choice but to be summoned. He didn't go back in time on purpose to kill himself.

>>279903521
No i understand the INTENTION was to have archer be convinced by his younger self's unshakable idealism that maybe he was wrong, I'm just saying if you think about that for even 5 seconds, it makes no fucking sense givenanything he's done, said, or gone through

>>279903542
>This person, who is LITERALLY me, like i have all his exact memories and know EXACTLY what he's thinking and what's going to happen to him
>I need to just like, be extra sure he's committed to his ideals
fucking what?

>>279903590
>it makes no fucking sense givenanything he's done, said, or gone through
The whole point is that they are a fundamentally broken person incompatible with standard human logic. Archer is self-aware of that. Shirou is subconsciously self-aware but represses aspects of that which are most obvious (such as "self-preservation") for the sake of putting others before himself.

This is proven how fucked up that is when Berserker sacrifices himself to save Ilya. And when he's dead, Gilgamesh goes and kills Ilya. That's proving Archer's point. You can't give up your sense of self-preservation and sacrifice yourself and think everything will be okay.

However, Shirou was correct in that is the only way Emiya Shirou will ever feel fulfilled. It's not wrong to want to save someone. All other logic and introspection is thrown out the window when your ideal is simply to save people from tragedy.

It always befuddled me that these people somehow mindfucked themselves into thinking an eroge of all things was somehow deep or warrants anything beyond surface level discussion

>>279903573
I only watched UBW, hated it so much that why would i ever go back and experience the other routes.

Now it's you who can't read subtext. It was heavily implied that saber chose to be summoned into the past, it wasn't just a random unavoidable bit of chance that he got caught up in

>>279903667
You're not capable of demonstrating why this eroge is supposedly not good.
>um it has boobies and sex in it
Lots of literature has boobies and sex in it. Address the core message of the story and prove to us why the writing is supposedly bad, please.

>>279902210
I feel like I've seen this same post a million times
>shallow development
the characterization of the larger cast of FSN is so barren that FHA literally exists as a fandisc to give greater focus to the characters it ignored
>edge
the edgiest shit in FZ is the worms and Sakura. Both being elements stolen and elaborated from FSN.
>Saber's mischaracterization
She was always an honorfag. Diarmuid in FZ exists to exacerbate that side of her. This is like someone bitching that Shirou is ooc for throwing away his ideals in FSN. It would make Shirou, and FSN, 10x worse with how much more significant of a chance it is. 15 years of nothing but VN "purists" spouting the same platitudes. FZ succeeds because it is a near complete work on its own that cared more about the HGW setting itself than FSN.

>>279903515
they are hanging out. You COULD interpret that as them being a couple, but that's just subtext, not a clear resolution to the arc.

>>279903700
it is good and i've never claimed otherwise. read my post slower next time and try not to have an aneurysm

>>279903693
>Now it's you who can't read subtext. It was heavily implied that saber chose to be summoned into the past,
Putting aside the fact Saber is explicitly stated to be different to other Servants (and she's technically not dead yet from her perspective), Servants don't get to choose where or when they are summoned.
And Archer, as a Counter Guardian, is constantly summoned to hellscapes and horrible places just to slaughter people. He didn't agree to be part of the Holy Grail system. As a recorded Heroic Spirit, there is always a chance someone will summon him as long as they have a catalyst connected to him.
Archer even states so to Shirou in one episode if you're an anime only. "Servants don't have that sort of free will."

>>279902210
>Tokiomi who tells the strongest servant to NOT kill everyone on the very first night
This is the smartest thing Tokiomi did in the series, as Gilgamesh would have absolutely fucked that up.

>It's another fucking "I didn't understand it, so it's bad and it's all the media's fault" thread.

>>279903659
>Shirou was correct in that is the only way Emiya Shirou will ever feel fulfilled
but he doesnt feel fulfilled. He openly says that

>>279903830
>but he doesnt feel fulfilled.
He does. He dies with a smile on his face.
Archer only ever starts to regret his ideal when he spent a literal eternity as a Counter Guardian. That was the mistake.
It's explicitly stated in the VN future Shirou died with no regrets.

>>279903709
>She was always an honorfag. Diarmuid in FZ exists to exacerbate that side of her.
Saber is not a developing teenager, she just fucks one. She is a 35 year old hardened veteran with an established backstory long before FZ was made. Her years as a king in constant internal and external conflict depicted her as brutally pragmatic in her actions. The ONLY time she cared about honor in FSN was when interacting with fake assassin, only because he was so polite to her, and she never allowed it to jeapordize her master's safety or her desire to win the war. She preferred avoiding harming innocents, but barring that she was very open-minded including killing her own master if he's a suicidal asshole.
>FZ succeeds because it is a near complete work on its own that cared more about the HGW setting itself than FSN.
FSN was never about the grail war. The grail war was never meant to be the plot, only the setting. Making the war the plot is how you get trash like apoc.

>>279903765
so you're saying his actual arc was literally just "damn, these kids annoying wish i was at home herkin off. Reminds me of myself when i was younger tho." *dies*

that is somehow even worse

>>279903908
I give up on you.

>>279903709
>the characterization of the larger cast of FSN is so barren that FHA literally exists as a fandisc to give greater focus to the characters it ignored

Examples please

>>279903944
Literally all of them retard

>>279903895
>The ONLY time she cared about honor in FSN was when interacting with fake assassin
And when she snapped at Caster- killing her before anything could be learned - because Caster "killed her master". Saber abides by a code of chivalry. Another knight of honor provokes that code. Simple as. Again, you could say far worse things about how FSN handles character divergence.
>FSN was never about the grail war
As it turns out, the premise is actually appealing. A story about age old mythology mixing with the present---their ways of life clashing as they aim for a single prize works on its own. It's actually the biggest draw to FZ in a nutshell. Which is what I just tried to explain.
> Making the war the plot is how you get trash like apoc.
Apoc is trash because the writing behind it is worse. The HGW works as a concept. What doesn't work is when you focus on power-level faggotry instead of proper character studies.

>>279903709
>the characterization of the larger cast of FSN
is this your first time with any sort of fictional material?
The MAIN CHARACTERS get more characterization than SIDE CHARACTERS. no shit faggot.

Urobuchi-kino will always mog other Fatesloppa.

>>279903874
I mean i could accept that if that was the goal i guess. I only watched the show and they never mentioned him not becoming a counter-guardian. It really seemed like, in the show, like he was just going "ima do everything the same and it'll magically work this time". If he doesnt become a counter-guardian then that makes a lot more sense

>>279903981
>Developing your main characters means you need to leave your side characters as hollow shells
Sounds like a skill issue to me since you could, oh i don't fucking know, sufficiently use them both. Crazy how this is coming off a post that says FZ can't properly use its cast because it gives several of them focus. Whereas FSN hardly focuses on them despite being 3x the length. What a retarded excuse

>>279903960
>>279903709
FSN is Shirou's story. That's what it tries to do, and it does it very well. The core cast of Rin, Sakura, Illya, saber, archer, and Kirei all get proper characterization too, but trying to develop every single character at some point just amounts to bloat.

>>279904014
>as hollow shells
you never read the VN OR watched the UBW anime. There's no way you could think the side characters are hollow shells unless you're intentionally acting stupid to make yourself look smart.
It doesn't work that way.

>>279903944
Medusa and Cu mainly

>>279904019
>FSN is Shirou's story.
And Fate Zero is Kiritsugu's story, while managing its ensemble cast in a way where most of them achieve a proper character arc.

>>279902813
This is what happens when you don't read the VN.

>>279904042
I thought Medusa was a pretty obvious parallel to Sakura, what with a goddess being turned into a monster.
Sakura and Rin can also turn Shirou to stone if you know what I mean, like Medusa and her gorgon sisters.

>>279904042
>>279904149
A lot of FHA are scrapped FSN scenes or ideas

>>279904252
>FHA
>Fate Hero academia

>>279904344
>I am a zoomer with irrelevant shit taste and want everyone to know

>>279903980
>As it turns out, the premise is actually appealing.
Maybe if you're a troglodyte

>>279901478 (OP)
>too filtered to witness the greatest ending of anime

>>279903667
it have words therefore it must good

What we know about Illya's route

>Nasu confirmed that Ilya's bird familiars were from the draft

>Nasu: If it's at the land that houses the Holy Grail, then Ilya is indeed that strong. And being able to make a familiar from her hair was in the original draft. The work this time around was especially hard, so I ended up using an "Iri's replacement" approach. By the way, the name of the technique is Elfen Lied [German for Elves' Song, 天使の詩 - Angel's Poem]. The bird's name is Storch Fieseler [German term for a type of plane].

>Takeuchi confirmed that Shirou would have a sex scene with Leysritt and Sella

>At the initial concept stage, the only details we had hammered down about these two maids were their names, their general roles (powerhouse/teacher) and which one would become Illya's Dress of Heaven. We only expanded on these characters when we decided to go ahead with "hollow". Normal homonculi are mostly emotionless like Leysritt, so that illustrates what a unique case Illya is. Leysritt was created as a sample of Illya, and Sella was allowed to live only because she was useful as Illya's tutor. That's about the extent of the specifics we initially had for these characters. When I started writing Sella's part in "hollow", however, she quickly became one of my favourite characters. I like Leysritt too, of course. By the way, I think Sella is the only real tsundere character in "Fate". (laughs)

>Shirou losing his arm protecting Ilya, the two shopping and her singing, BRING ILLYA BACK, and Nine Lives Revolver were also planned for Illya's route

>Shirou was going to drop his ideal to make amends for Kiritsugu's sins in Illya's route, while the Sakura route focuses on him breaking free of Kiritsugu and becoming his own person. Also, Rin was likely going to become a villain after killing Sakura and going mad in the Illya route to complete the pattern of how each heroine is a villain in some route

>Zouken was the final boss

>>279904077
>while managing its ensemble cast in a way where most of them achieve a proper character arc.

Nasu stated that Zero is for people who wanted more dark and edge in FSN, and fanservice for those who wanted to see the previous war.

>The rule in the Fate version Heaven’s Feel is actually rather simple.

1. A battle royale between seven magi and their Servants, acting as familiars.
2. Servants are materialised in Heroic Spirit form, according to an appearance ‘suitable to the era’.
3. Master has three absolute commands of the Servant.
4. The final survivor wins the right to possess the Holy Grail.

>That’s how it’s like. Although there are other details, they are branches and leaves whose rules will be established as long as the root and trunk of the tree exists. In fact it is very simple and basic. Because of that, the kind of story created is completely dependent on the creator’s outrageous imagination. It can be a cruel boy-meets-girl, or a vigorous tangled battle.

>Fate/stay night belongs to the former. What about Zero?

>Of course, I don’t need to talk about Urobuchi Gen’s true nature. It will definitely be an utterly confused war of communal slaughter.

>Those readers who thought Fate/stay night “should have more than blood, tears and tragic endings”, this is for you! This is the true ‘Heaven’s Feel’, with the battle for survival as its essence!

>>279901478 (OP)
>he's mad about the Steins Gate thread
>>279883104
come up with something better to talk about faggot

>>279902548
gar

>Le college undergrad meme philosophy makes it better even though it's a ahitty high school setting
I will stick to my gritty GRIMDARK game of thrones death match for ADULTS thank you.

>>279902519

>>279905136
>Steins;KEK made the thread
Sad.

>>279905580
It doesn't even make sense because the first 10 episodes are anything but like steins;gate's

>>279904514
nobody asked

>>279905202
>>Le college undergrad meme philosophy
Isn't that Zero?

>>279905670
The original thread's OP makes claim that he got duped into watching steins gate because it was mad scientist is so cool (sonuvabich) but watched the sequel and wondered why it was bad.
You couldn't make this mistake on purpose with Fate because despite a correct way to consume Fate, you can watch any of them in any order and not get lost.

>>279905784
I thought the 10 episodes were referring to the slowness of s;g

>>279903111
Same with tsukihime. Killing a white women makes her fall in love

>>279901478 (OP)
Only the loli Rin episode of fate/zero was good

>>279901478 (OP)
Fate sucks. Read all of the Saber route. Too much text walling. The text takes up the whole screen. That’s the most annoying VN format

The show is just as bad. Info dumping about offscreen shit I don’t care about.

>>279905777
And basically every other work of fiction. You don't need to "understand" academic "philosophy" to write drama, especially when your characters wouldn't.

>>279902210
>Kiritsugu who monologues about slaughter hamburgers
This is just a poor translation of them having a crude taste.

Stop fucking bumping this bait thread you faggots

>>279906415
The Steins;Gate nigger that made the thread is self bumping it.

>>279901507
release date order therefore it's a sequel

Watching Zero first is like starting Star Wars with the prequels

>>279903667
The weight of its popularity demands it.

>>279908660
And just like the prequels it's better than the original three.

>>279906415
Schizo fucker still seems to be at it