It's thematically coherent from start to finish, addresses legitimately tough questions, probably has the biggest flock of memorable antagonists whose motives you can't find a whole lot of fault in, has ridiculously good art for being weekly (especially the clean as fuck spreads until the very end), makes itself feel like an actual journey through the lives of a whole people and had an insanely satisfying conclusion.

Kishimoto also had the balls to do downright insane things to drive home his point, like Naruto allowing himself to be pummeled post Pain arc and having a heart attack, juxtaposing the almighty image he had after defeating Nagato. Kishi castrated his protagonist to show that despite being all powerful physically, he still can't solve the issues he wants to fix cause they can't be fixed through having power alone.

As far as weekly series go there is nothing and there likely will never be anything as good as it again. That's its legacy.

This is it's legacy.

>>280021976 (OP)
0/10 bait thread

I like Naruto'

But Goku is better: starts as a low class saiyan soldier, ends like a low class saiyan solder
no bullshit powerups, destinies, or backstory of greatness
it's a rag to riches story by pure hard work alone

>>280021976 (OP)
That's hilarious. You're still mad about the ending.

>>280023694
Tardku does not work hard however. All his shit is an asspull.

>>280021976 (OP)
high iq post

>>280021994
>>280022177
>>280023694
>>280023786
low iq

>>280021976 (OP)
kill yourself narutard

>>280023694
goku is hardwork and teamwork

>>280023694
>no bullshit powerups, destinies, or backstory of greatness
it's a rag to riches story by pure hard work alone
Can bro read?

>>280021976 (OP)
How can you say Naruto is thematically coherent from start to finish when the protagonist becomes the special chosen one with special parents and secret lineage to aliens?
the execution of those themes was trash.

you praising this shitty writing will never make the series good and anyone with half a brain can see through your bullshit. If it was good you wouldn't have so many fans complaining about the ending, the execution of Sasuke's arc, the numerous retcons, and the ending war arc. Naruto was never good and it will never be good.

>>280021976 (OP)
>addresses legitimately tough questions

Like what?

>>280026159
>Like what?
Like whether or not the world would be a better place if certain "people" were wiped out. It would be.

Naruto and naruto as a protagonist are deeply unserious about serious issues. The only character where it is taken up semi-realistically is with Sasuke, but the fanbase hates him because he wasn't the MC's teddy bear for most of the story.

And castrating MCs is nothing new. Kubo did it in every arc and had his final arc be nothing but the MC jobbing to randos.

>>280026153
And you will never be a woman. Kill yourself faggot.

>>280026208
Kek

>>280024858
He does, dbstard. He only works, tirelessly, all the time.

>>280021976 (OP)
maybe if only part 1 was the entire series

>>280026159
Is it ok to kill your best friend in exchange of awesome eyes that can do everything?

>>280026208
Imagine thinking we can coexist with those red-eyed rats.

>>280026502
Naruto has to deal with the serious issue of unrequited love and having to settle with literallywho character in the end

many such cases

>>280021976 (OP)
>had an insanely satisfying conclusion.
mmhh nyo
mostly agree with everything else otherwise

>>280021976 (OP)
>pains motivation
>my childhood was tough due to war and poverty and I grew up an orphan, therefore I will nuke innocent civilians
>naruto says that's a bad thing to do
>pain: oh shit my bad, here let me use my secret ressurection ninja technique to take my war atrocity back
>orochimaru motivation
>i want to live forever so I will kidnap children and perform invasive surgeries on them and turn them into abominations
>naruto says that's a bad thing to do, but we kind of need you right now
>orochimaru: ok I'm not sorry, I won't do it anymore though if you let me off the hook
>obitos motivation
>some stuff went wrong in a mission and I nearly died, then later I found out one of my teammates had to kill the other one during another mission, now I will use living chakra nukes to take over the ninja world and I don't care how many people die in the process
>naruto says that's bad and kakashi says he's sorry but he can explain also other bad guys take over his evil plan
>obito: oh shit I didn't expect any of that, well too late I died bleh
>danzos motivation
>I am racist against the uchiha because they are a clan of emotionally unstable retards with god complexes, I will try to exterminate them but I still want their powers so I'll also experiment on their bodies
>naruto isn't aware of this but sasuke, an emotionally unstable uchiha retard kills him
>danzo: I was right but got beaten, damn, the only mistake I made is that I wasn't thorough enough
>madaras motivation
>why does my clan of emotionally unstable retards have to play second fiddle to our decidedly non-emotionally unstable rival ninja clan after they brokered peace with us and set up our ninja nation? I will destroy the world now fuck you
>naruto says that's a bad thing to do but madara doesn't listen so he and the gang clobber him
>madara: fuck you

If by "memorable antagonists" you meant "mouthbreathing retards" then maybe. What motives, themes and tough questions were you talking about?

>>280021976 (OP)
It's a whole lot of noise that signifies nothing. It's subversive moments only work to make characters look worse and the usual quality of writing is middling at best. It tries to tackle serious questions but in the end it just affirms the status quo. "Don't try to fix the rotten system, just have trust in a guy who says he might have an answer some day, let the truly powerful handle everything, hide your head in the sand and never question anything" seems to be it's ultimate takeaway. Naruto doesn't change anything, he doesn't fix anything and his romance and married life is wack. He doesn't even have a single conversation with Hinata after war's end.

>>280027423
>>i want to live forever so I will kidnap children and perform invasive surgeries on them and turn them into abominations
>>naruto says that's a bad thing to do, but we kind of need you right now
>>orochimaru: ok I'm not sorry, I won't do it anymore though if you let me off the hook
based Orochadmaru

he might be a murderous snake but he's /oursnek/

For me Naruto ends at episode 135, sometimes it’s better to have an open ending then actually going 500 episodes deep into Shippuden which is filled with lots of shit.

>>280028665
the original naruto has 4 seasons of pure fanfic filler

at least shippuden mixes some canon here and there

>>280021976 (OP)
MY GOAT

>>280028751
He's actually really cool

Shame about everything after Pain, and even the ending of that conflict really with the resurrection shit no matter how they died. If you didn’t have the rest of Akatsuki as loose ends it really should’ve ended there. I don’t know if Madara being such an entertaining character was worth the 200+ chapters of complete shit surrounding him.

>>280028751
>goat
that's clearly a frog, silly anon

>>280026159
>What sacrifices are acceptable for the sake of peace? (The leaf elders / Uchiha clan)
>When people are sacrificed where should be blame fall? (Hiruzen, Itachi)
>Should a soldier have a personal code of honor that transcends their orders? (Sakumo and Kakashi)
>Is a continual existential threat the only thing that can achieve cooperation between factions with long grudges? (Pain/Sasuke)
>Is a simulation without suffering more preferable to unfair reality? (Obito/Madara)
Some pretty interesting ones off the top of my head.

>>280029009

>>280029145

>>280029195
(You) welcome

>>280021976 (OP)
Nice bait, but Kishimoto does have balls.
Few mangaka would have allowed the direct sequel to prove his MC a complete fraud and ruin his legacy the way Boruto did just so his hack assistant can have a meal ticket.
I can't wait for that little faggot to be rescued and see the look on his face when he sees the mess he left his children in. Bet he sacrifices himself at the end too, just to make sure to completely rip off George Joestar.

>>280021976 (OP)
>insanely satisfying conclusion
The fact that they didn't show the actual wedding still makes me mad

>>280027210
>having to settle with literallywho character in the end
Someone who believed in him from day one, you mean. Not having to live with pinkshit was a victory for Naruto.

>>280028751
Pain had negative IQ in that battle, i don't know if Naruto's W was something to be proud of.

>>280029326
The pinkshits seethe over Hinata getting some extended screentime was delicious thoughbeit.

>>280024858
cope and cry cuckjitabitch

>>280029502
He wasn't trying to kill him. If he was, the humiliation would break this board

>>280029737
Pain is proof that the Akatsuki was a totally useless organization.
>the leader is an Uzumaki who doesn't know about the Uzumaki stone masks in Konoha
>doesn't have intel that half the kyubi is sealed in the reaper's belly
>could easily obtain half of Kurama under everyone noses instead if they had a tiny bit more information
But no he has to fight the strongest village with the strongest tailed beast and his hands tied behind his back since killing Naruto would result in an indeterminate amount of time waiting for the 9 tails to reform.

>>280029953
Obito didn't even give a shit about Nagato. He was busy grooming Sasuke. If both Obito and Pain showed up together, they'd have gotten the tailed beast irrespective of favorable circumstances. That's how serious they were about the whole thing.

>>280029953
I mean just, because he has uzumaki heritage doesn't mean he is privvy to the clan secrets, especially the ones in konoha.
Also he was a kid when his parents were murdered so big chances that even if his parents did know they could have died before they could ever tell him.
It's not as if Sauce knew about shit like susanoo and izanagi/izanami.

>>280028665
i feel this way about bleach. it stops at episode 63. ichigo saves his friend, and they all go back home. what was that aizen guy's deal? we'll never know...

>>280029545
I agree. Still, wanted to see the wedding

>>280030391
Watch The Last credits.

>>280030387
Arrancar saga is still good, what was the quincy's deal though? We'll never know...

>>280026153
Because he still had to work to achieve what he did. Did you actually watch/read the series?

>>280026159
The cycle of violence and war. Did you read it?

>>280027423

/thread, basically wrote what I wanted to write

>>280021976 (OP)
>It's thematically coherent from start to finish

>>280030905
mommy....

>>280027423
While Naruto has a lot of flaws many of these are just plain wrong.

>>280030905
>The strongest being in the verse has byakugan

>>280023694
>Z (Buu): O MY SHENRON
>GT: O MY SHENRON
>Super (manga): O MY SHENRON
>DAIMA: O MY GANDALF THE GREEN BOOST

>>280023694
except he wouldnt have acomplished shit if he wasnt a saiyan
its far less egregious than naruto but still kinda ass

>>280021976 (OP)
>the next generation always surpasses the old
>literally not a single instance of this actually happening

>>280026153
>How can you say Naruto is thematically coherent from start to finish when the protagonist becomes the special chosen one with special parents and secret lineage to aliens?
Because his genes didn't grant him any special powers, but his parents believed that he could master the Kyubi anyway. And his fate was to murder his spiritual brother but he rejected that as well.

>>280029502
What should Pain have done differently? He stalled until he got Shinra Tensei back. He didn't really have other options.

>>280033266
Naruto was at his mercy once he got his powers back. Instead of standing around and delivering a lecture, he should have just knocked him out unconscious once he captured him. Kill hinata, take him to your lair, game over.

>>280033418
So the only thing he did wrong was monologue 10 seconds too long so Naruto could turn 6 tails? I'd argue Naruto could have lost control and turned 6 tails even if Pain hurried to finish the job, he was already very angry, emotionally unstable and the seal was loose.

>>280033450
Pain should know that killing someone close in front of a jinchuuriki is guaranteed to rile them up. He played that part like a retard and made things significantly harder for himself.

>>280030646
> Naruto worked hard
Oh please. Neji worked hard too, but his parents weren’t legendary ninja, he wasn’t trained by the sanin, he didn’t have a self aware unlimited chakra reserve that can also manifest and bail him out of bad situations, and we wasn’t the literal reincarnation of a fucking demigod.

>>280034546
>Oh please. Neji worked hard too, but his parents weren’t legendary ninja, he wasn’t trained by the sanin, he didn’t have a self aware unlimited chakra reserve that can also manifest and bail him out of bad situations, and we wasn’t the literal reincarnation of a fucking demigod.
The difference between Neji and Naruto is that Naruto was weak and had to rely on others to get anywhere. And so when he succeeded because of that help, it inspired more people to continue helping him as things got harder.

This goes on and on from Iruka to Kakashi to Jiraya to Bee until finally Ninja God shows up to help.

>>280035113
>naruto was weak
Despite that Naruto never jobbed once in part 1 until the very end when he was facing another super special demi god incarnate

>>280035113
>I learned shadow clones in half a night, please understand I try so hard and get so far

Yeah I've been rewatching Naruto lately it's a great show. Legitimately start to finish nothing but cool arcs. Great themes, great stuff going on. It's a shame that people think it's cringe, it's legitimately one of the most profound television shows ever made.

>>280035113
> had to rely on others to get anywhere
By “others” I assume you mean Kurama. It is a plot point that Naruto’s “weak loser” status is complete nonsense from the very first chapter. Akatsuki doesn’t send Deidra or Sasori to pick him up - they send fucking Kisame and Itachi.