The lid on anime being mainstream and popular has been opened. There's no closing it. Unfortunately. If only streaming never existed and torrents were the most accessible method. I also used to download manga off irc for those who want to gatekeep further.

gatekeeping is retarded anon
being interested in something that's unknown doesn't make you special
if you actually like something, you'd be doing what you can to make it more known so it'd be more certain that it'd become a success
not sabotaging it
honestly there's little I know that's more pants on head retarded than gatekeeping. I know that anyone gatekeeping must be a mouth breather with low intelligence if they can't even figure out how stupid it is by themself

>>280223375
>t. a woman, scourge of all hobbies

>>280222872 (OP)
Kids in the 90's were already watching anime.

>>280222872 (OP)
>paying money for Crunchyroll
lol
lmao

>>280223375
Here we have someone that lives in an alternate reality.

>>280223463
>CR produced a low budget anime-cartoon some years ago
Meh

>>280222872 (OP)
nigga they've been airing anime on cable since the 90s

>American comic book and cartoon industry: "Are we out of touch? No, it is the audience who are sexist transphobic chuds"

>>280223375
Kill yourself, retarded tourist.

>>280223375
This sounds like projection. You are wrong. Look at anything not gatekept and how long it's community or product remained without getting overwhelmed and ruined from secondary pressure

>>280223453
Badly dubbed anime. I cant help but feel you guys weren't watching anime during the fansub era. It was different than toonami watchers

anime is not some niche amateur hobby, you can't gatekeep a commercial product with corporate owners who want to maximize their shareholder profits. they don't want gates, they want a giant neon billboard to attract the normies even faster.

>>280222872 (OP)
>pokemania? never heard of it

>>280222872 (OP)
thats 90% indians btw

>>280222872 (OP)
lol

>>280223375
>if you actually like something, you'd be doing what you can to make it more known
Until a certain point where it becomes mainstream, then all the boring Swiftie soccer mom fucks and tumblrinas decide they want to censor out anything cool or interesting because feminist panic is the new Satanic panic.

>gatekeep something I enjoy to 'protect' it
>it is now dead, no new discussions, fanart or any future in sight
amazing stratagem

>>280226365
Who would want fanart produced by non-Japanese?
No discussion is part of the gatekeeping process.

>>280226365
Not everything needs to go on and on forever. Learn to live in the moment.

>>280222872 (OP)
You can tell the exact point they started targeting the Indian market. Which is Crunchyrolls entire strategy for growth since they can't get much of a foothold in Asia, Pajeet pandering

>>280226365
>don't gatekeep something you enjoy in order to protect it
>it is now invaded with retards and people who are uninterested in the actual thing and only looking to play status games
amazing stratagem

>>280226500
cute
>>280226610
exaggeration and if it does happen, it's usually many many years later so you've grown out of the target audience anyway

>>280226660
not an exaggeration and if you "grow out" of anime you're either watching the wrong anime or you don't belong here

>>280226365
you really can be satisfied with what you have and not want more

>>280226494
>Who would want fanart produced by non-Japanese?
You didn't have a Newgrounds phase in the 2000's?

>>280226494
>Who would want fanart produced by non-Japanese?
Anyone who doesn't want useless giant "DO NOT REPOST" watermarks, for one.

>>280223630
Cartoons are popular, anon.

>>280226365
>no new discussions
If it has merit, this doesn't happen.
>fanart
Boohoo
>any future in sight
See first point, retard.

>>280223375
>hurrr durr not special
>sekret klub
The point is to be free from the burden of your company, especially where it concerns normalfags and normalfag money flooding something until it's antipolar to what it used to be.

>>280227220
No. I mainly started in 2007 and used Pixiv since 2008.

>>280223453
My entire country was watching (and co-producing) so much anime in the '70s that a lot of characters, scenes and series became part of the shared national culture, shaped the language itself and to this day you can hear people of all ages, from old boomer over 70 to younglings under 14 talk about this or that anime.
Politicians quoting anime and manga or referencing them was common here before I was born, and if that doesn't tell you everything I don't know what will.

>>280229258
Are there any series based on Italian works aside from Sagittarius and 3000 Leagues in Search of Mother?

>>280229258

Dubbed anime doesn't count. I don't get how people don't get this. You guys make a big deal of your shitty italian openings...yes,

>>280229335
>Ai No Gakko Cuore Monogatari is based on an Italian novel
>All the Pinocchio adaptation
>Go Nagai's Divine Comedy
>Marco Polo no Boken, based on his autobiography/travel diary
>Tottoi is based on an Italian novel series
>Inochi No Chikyuu: Dioxin No Natsu is an animated documentary about an 1976 ecological disaster
I'm probably forgetting something

>>280229405
>Dubbed anime doesn't count
I guess nobody watched cinema until the advent of streaming became less than 1% of cinemagoes ever watched movies in their original language
Sure, Titanic was seen by a thousand bilion people, but they watched it dubbed in their own language, so it doesn't count
WOW, movies are still a niche and gatekept little hobby!

>>280222872 (OP)
A good filter is just talking about anime and manga that have no official licensing and can therefore only be pirated.

>>280229541
Even better filter is manga that aren't pirated and only available on official sites.

>>280223630
In an effort to not be ignorant when comparing manga to western comics, I've taken a deep dive into comics, and let me tell you, it's even worse than you think.
At every corner they make the worst possible decisions and avoid any good decisions like the plague.

Look at their characters, did you know that almost all the characters in western comics were created in the 1940s?
There was some innovation in the 60s, 70s, and 80s, but very little, with most of it being just spinoff variants of already existing characters.
They basically made a small handful of characters and have been phoning it in for the past 80 years.

It's as if manga had created Astro Boy, Speed Racer, and Sailor Moon, and then just called it a day and never created anything new.

>>280229733
Unlike manga which is usually done by one person, and on rare occasions by two (an artist and a writer), with assistants doing minor things like screentones and backgrounds... comics operate on a factory style pipeline with sometimes over 10 people working on a single comic. And none of them have any communication with eachother, or atleast very little.

The person who does the lines has no idea what the inker is going to do, the inker has no idea what the colorist is going to do. And often their visions are completely mismatched, such as an inker that wants a cartoony bold lines vibe, but a colorist that wants a gritty well rendered realistic vibe, and they'll work against eachother, producing a confused mess of a comic

>>280229733
Those are American superhero comics, not western comics. This is a western comic from the 40s.

>>280229774
Actually reading comics... or rather, first finding the comics to begin with is also impossibly hard.

Comics aren't organised sensibly as "title - chapter" but instead are hidden in seemingly random magazines under different titles and there's no clear pattern to it much of the time. You NEED a guide to read basically any comic story. And that guide is left to the fans to figure out, the company doesn't care at all

>>280229733
>Superhero comics, the absolute bottom of the barrel in the Western comic landscape, is so pervasive that basically comic=superhero in Western speech
>the real good stuff is so obscure even among comic readers you automatically out yourself as an alien-like hypernerd just by knowing about it
Grim

>>280223375
Yes, yes, sure.
Totally unrelated question: did you get into anime because some of your previous interests mysteriously started to suck, by any chance?

>>280229774
>and on rare occasions by two (an artist and a writer)
It's not really rare. You also can't really tell if the credited person actually exists or is just a pen name for a group.

>>280229805
>>280229783
You bring up yet another facet of western comics.
It's actually all superheroes.
This is Marvel and DC in 2019, bear in mind that this is more or less their lowest point, they used to be a far far higher share of the market.
These two comics make exclusively superhero comics.
that big yellow slice is Image, they also make pretty much only superheroes.
If you handled someone one copy every comic ever made, basically 99% of it would be superheroes.
Non superhero comic virtually doesn't exist, has never been given any attention and nobody knows they exist.
Sometimes copers will bring up things like Asterix, Archie, or Tintin, but nobody below the age of 60 cares about those and they don't sell any copies

>>280229841
But wait it gets worse

Comics readers by and large don't actually read their comics. They believe that the simple of act of opening and turning the pages will damage them, so they don't even know what's inside the comic. Instead they seal them away under same insane belief that they'll be worth millions one day. The companies cater to this also, offering sometimes 10+ collectible variant versions of the same comic issue, and the collectors buy it all up.

>>280229841
>Asterix, Archie, or Tintin, but nobody below the age of 60 cares about those and they don't sell any copies
Maybe in America.
Marvel and DC also made western comics.

>>280229901
>what are numbers? What are sales?

>>280229901
That comic is from 1948, nobody below the age of 90 knows about that one

>>280229897
but wait it gets worse
Comic artists have no talent whatsoever, many of them just trace photos, and poorly at that!

>>280229940
>These two comics make exclusively superhero comics.
Is flat out wrong, as calling superhero comics western if they don't have distinctive western elements like cowboys, Indians, frontier etc. e.g. Ghost Rider.

>>280226365
who gives a FUCK about fanart

>>280229946
A big part of the art of both comics and manga is the panelling, and the comic artists don't know what they're doing at all, and never have
Pic related is a page of dragonball, and it shows, in an exaggerated form, what is essentially panelling 101.
I'm talking about the size of the gaps between the panels. When the gutter is vertical, it is narrow, when it is horizontal, it is wide. This is to guide the eye in the proper direction. Look at absolutely any manga no matter how amatuer and you will see this technique

>>280229996
>Look at absolutely any manga no matter how amatuer and you will see this technique
What about 4koma?

>>280229977
western = made in the western hemisphere
eastern = made in the eastern hemisphere

>>280229536
I've traveled to multiple countries and watched movies in them. I've seen major Hollywood movies subtitled in Asian countries lol. Dubbed. Does. Not. Count. Anisong and Seiyuus are a huge part of the culture that doesn't exist in dubbed. Do Italian dubs change names?

>>280230013
yes even in 4koma albiet reversed to be read vertically instead of horizontally
But the attention to the spacing of the panels is still there

>>280229996
comics on the other hand have never once paid any attention to the readability of panels, usually they just copy and paste the same panel over and over on the same page, likely out of the laziness but they'll try to tell you that it's done for artistic effect

>>280229977
Anon are you autistic or just retarded?
"Western" here is being used as "regarding the Western hemisphere of the planet as a geo-socio-political reality", not as "the narrative genre that occupies itself with the reality of late 19th Century American frontier"
And if you have 1000 blue balls in a jar and only two red balls, yeah it's true that not all balls are blue, but 1000 people will draw blue balls and nobody even knows that red balls are a thing expect the 1/1000 exception who by sheer luck got the red ball

>>280230015
How does that work with British, French and Spanish comics?

>>280230044
When they're not being lazy, they're being crazy!
In this page here, you have to actually flip the book upside down to read it!

In manga the panels exist as windows into the story, but in comics, they're like a childrens toy to play around with! Nobody actually read the comic, they just want to spin it around on their finger like a toy!

>>280230027
>anime are so pervasive they change the culture of the country for 50+ years
>actually it's not mainstream

>>280230066
And sometimes they just don't understand what a panel is at all, they think they're just arbitrary lines across the page

>>280230074
And just for fun, here's a drawing of Batman... atleast part of him

>>280230046
It would be more understandable if you said America. Or frankly US, since you don't give a shit about Latin American comics.

>>280230087
And here's another drawing of Batman, this time the whole of him! (this is a real comic page that was printed and published and sold in comic stores)

>>280230072

But its dubbed. It doesn't. Count.

>>280230074
That's clearly reCaptcha.

>>280229805
>guide left for fans to figure out
I remember reading some Green Lantern in late 00s and early 10s, and they used to do checklists for major event like Sinestro Corps War or Blackest Night.

>>280229996
>>280230028
>>280230044
Scott McCloud in his seminal "Understanding Comics" even has entire section dedicated on this subject, about how much more variety and actual thought there is in manga compared to the vast majority of mainstream Western comics

Precure

>>280230100
But back to the meta of this laughably bad industry
At one point they replaced the final scene of an issue with a QR code, meaning that even though you bought and paid the actualy phyiscal copy of the comic, you didn't actually get the best pages, you would have to scan them with your smartphone and view them digitally, on a website which will probably be taken down in a few years

They did this to get comic readers interested in digital comics! Of course this had the complete opposite effect. I think if you were a saboteur, infiltrating comics and trying to destroy the industry from the inside out, you wouldn't even think up something this stupid

>>280222872 (OP)
On my commute to work, the local radio DJ was talking about Full Metal Alchemist, it felt very surreal

>>280230138
Indeed, this technique, amongst many other common techniques are also expressed in Dr Mashiroto's book on manga making.

Scott McCloud's book is popular in the west but it seems comic artists haven't paid any attention to it

>>280230162

>>280230028
How much 4koma have you read?

>>280230142
Dad is doing her a favour by not letting her watch Kirakira

>>280230107
When Star Wars was released in Japan it became on the most influential sci-fi fiction of all times and changed anime and manga forever. This was in 1977 and almost nobody among the hundred of milions of Japanese who watched it sought the subbed version, and this rang true for 30+ years.
By your metric Star Wars has never been influential outside of the USA.

>>280230205
Foreign movies are often shown subbed in Japan.

why do western comic fans love crossovers so much?

like nobody seriously asks if Edward Elric could beat Tanjiro or Deku in a fight but for comic fans that seems to be their favorite shit ever?

>>280230177
>Scott McCloud's book is popular in the west but it seems comic artists haven't paid any attention to it
I know someone who went to a professional institute to become a comic book pro.
People in the industry are actively discouraged to read or engage in anything that isn't what is selling. You won't be taught shit like what McCloud is talking about, you'll be drilled with art exercises untill you can draw a realistic subject and then you have to choose under what labed draw and adapt your "style" to what they dictate is marketable.
It's horrendous

>>280230151
Comics are not owned by their creators, and the people who create them are chosen by editors. A single comic story can have any number of writers and artists coming and going in and out, of course all with no communication between eachother as usual.

But this creates an unexpected and far worse effect than anyone could have ever imagined.
Spite.
It's natural that in any industry, other creators are envious or hateful of another, but in manga they can't really do anything about it other than maybe make the villain in their manga resemble the person they don't like.
But in comics, if someone doesn't like another person, they can get work on that persons comic, and then deliberately ruin it.
>that person writes a heartfelt romance between two characters?
haha tough luck she'd dead now I just wrote her getting suffocated by fart gas
>that ominous villain who you've been teasing the identity reveal of, building up to something big?
haha screw you I just took their mask off and revealed they're a completely uninteresting character

Many many comics have been ruined by internal drama like this

>>280230205
>dodging the question
I'm posting shots from Lupin the Third, which is based on a series of French novels. Moneky Punch did not read them in French, and Lupin's influence on anime is huge.
Dragon Ball is based on Sayuri or Journey to the West. Almost no Japanese has read the Chinese original, they know the translation; so, is Sayuri influential?

>>280230236
>>280230295

>>280230261
You may have noticed that little sticker in the top of most comics.
The comics code authority.
From 1954 to 2011, basically the entirety of the comics industry's existence, they have been under a self-regulatory shackle

>policemen must never be bad
>criminals must never be justifiable
>no kidnapping, no concealing weapons, etc
>even the word "crime" is forbidden in the title

This was done as a response to the trend of edgy horror comics being made at the time that they worried would corrupt the youth.
In Japan, Go Nagai produced much the same sort of content, however in his case, rather than having the entire industry be shunned and regulated, he is respected as a cultural icon, beloved by all.

>>280230295
It's called Saiyuki (西遊記).

>>280230329
Now of course, they could have just made cute comics about cute girls and created their own equivelant of the moe genre, it would have certainly made millions of dollars.
But they weren't creative enough to think of that, instead they persisted for the next 70 years in a deliberately cripped action genre

>>280230371
They had Archie and spinoffs. They intentionally crippled their industry with censorship to block competition.

>>280230329
>Nagai writes Harenchi Gakuen
>so fucked up every parent representative in Japan wants his head
>the editor doesn't want to axe it 'cause it sells like hotcake
>Nagai goes on a thousand TV talk show defending himself, becoming an overnight celebrity
>Parents start to send death threat to the publisher
>It now has to be axed or else
>Nagai writes the ending where the PTA assaults and kills the students and teachers of the school (subtle)

>>280230366
Gomennasorry
Kamimashita

>>280230371
There is a company called Diamond Distributors, who as the name suggests, are distributors, infact they are the only distributors (atleast up to 2020) of comics. They held a monopoly on the comics industry for decades.

What happened in 2020 you may ask? Well first the pandemic hit, when that happened, as well all know, Manga experienced the biggest boom in its entire industry, everyone was stuck inside and they read manga by the millions.
But what did this monopoly Diamond do?
They closed up shop.
That's right, they simply decided not to distribute any comics at all. They just went on vacation!

They've since declared bankruptcy as you can probably guess

gaijin would be better off trying to copy corean webcomics instead of japanese manga which relies on a wide range of physical media from competing publishers distributed cheaply at bookshops and konbinis.

>>280230371
>cute comics about cute girls
>their own equivelant of the moe genre
>from the most puritan and sexually frustrated culture on Earth
I don't know chief

>>280230433
The majority of the Japanese manga market is digital now. A huge number of titles are published primarily on web manga sites or digital only magazines and a growing number don't get printed volumes.

>most people here aré unaware that they got into anime post gatekeeping
Is funny, but if you werent watching before DBZ then you're just as casual. You could always get into a harder sub-culture like gunpla or idols if you care so much.

>>280230466
best case: America and China nuke each other, and Japan and other relatively sane countries go unscathed.

>>280230432
Think of the most impactful deaths in manga
Yang Wenli, Kamina, Jiraiya, Portgas, Erwin, L, Kakyoin, Maes Hughs, etc
Deaths are some of the biggest moments in any story

Comics had their own moment like this, with the death of Superman in 1992. It was a huge event, hyped up like nothing else. The entire comic is drawn and written like a huge spectacle, and it was. Millions of people bought this comic, there were queues going out the front door all day. It was a national event. And in it, as you might guess, Superman dies.

and then about two weeks later he's casually brought back to life and continues on as if nothing had ever happened.
This was the biggest rug pull, punch in the face, anyone had ever experienced. In fact it was so damning, that the millions of people that had bought this comic, were so upset with it, that this one event basically caused the complete collapse of the collectibility of comics overnight. Nobody wanted comics anymore, it died right here. Thousands of comic shops closed within the next few years and it has never even remotely recovered from this moment.

>>280229733
>I've taken a deep dive into comics, and let me tell you, it's even worse than you think.

Did you go into Image Comics or another publishers like Scholastic? Sounds more like you stuck with Marvel and DC and called it a day. Works like Bone or Monstress are still better than like 99% of manga

>>280230737
>clinging to burger trash

>>280230371
America can’t make moe because it’s intrinsically linked with lolicon

>>280230588
Death of Superman, Reign of the Supermen and Return of Superman took like ten months not two weeks. Comic fans were just along for the ride but casuals or normalfags thought it was going to be permanent. News media reported on it.

>>280229897
That's very common in Japan as well. People will buy three copies:
One for reading.
One for preservation.
One to share with others.
>offering sometimes 10+ collectible variant versions of the same comic issue,
With manga you get store exclusive bonuses and there are people that collect all of them and a lucrative reseller business.

>>280222872 (OP)
personally i wouldn't mind anime going mainstream, so much if the good to bad ratio wasn't so skewed towards the bad.

>>280223375
The only who will ever be upset about gatekeeping are the ones being kept outside the gate.

>>280230074
This is obnoxious to read

>>280231430
>That's very common in Japan as well. People will buy three copies
99% of manga readers in Japan buy their ¥500 pulp paper shit quality manga magazine of choice that will be thrown away a week later
Tankoboun buyers, even if very much numerous, are a minority compared to pauper readers, and the three copies autists are just that, the less than 1% autists

>>280229805
Is there no option of compiled volumes for AmeComi?
Manga can also run simultaneously in two magazines with further guest chapters spread around.

>>280231614
Paper magazines are almost dead and have been smaller than print volumes for 20 years. The price rising to 500 yen has been a big factor in that, they used to be far cheaper.

>>280231639
>compiled volumes for AmeComi
Sorta, they do that for individual sagas, like picrel, the infamous Clone Saga from Spider-Man, which went on for two years spread over a dozen different titles.
Problem is, this would be like publishing an Android/Cell Saga Omnibus collection... with zero contex about anything that happened before.
You buy the Clone Saga Collection and have to do your homework about everything that happens in there that doesn't originate in there.
Future Trunks appears and kills Freezer and Cooler... who the fuck are those? I HAVE TO READ DOZENS OF EXTRA ISSUES TO KNOW?
This is the superhero reading experience
For anything that isn't Superhero comics, sure, you have your normal "all issues from first to last in one" like every manga

>>280230588
Battle manga has a lot of cases of bringing back dead characters. Either they're not really dead or there's some revival option or you get a twin/clone replacing them.

>>280222872 (OP)
Anime wouldn't have become so mainstream if western entertainment as a whole didn't become such unbearable garbage. You can tell exactly what happened just by that graph. Western media has been shit for forever now but there were still a few decent shows coming out every once in a while, enough to keep most people away from anime. Then covid happened, everyone got locked inside and for about a year and a half everyone binged every possible piece of watchable western media they could and then ran out. It's at this time that people who previously would have never had any interest in anime whatsoever began watching it and realized it's way better than anything that has been put out in the west since 2010 and now watching anime is just normal. I had friends who swore up and down they'd never watch anime start watching it during covid. I'd say anime's only hope is if Hollywood can clean up its act and make good movies and tv shows again to pull some of the western normies away from anime, but that's pretty unlikely to happen any time soon.

>>280231923
>to pull some of the western normies away from anime,
You need to go.

>>280230066
I've always hated comic books. Even without the retarded upside down panels, this page is just a fucking eyesore, a complete whirlwind of text smattered on top of ugly drawings. You'd be better off just reading a book that has some doodles in the margins.

>>280230100
This is hilarious, why did they feel the need to add the highlights onto his dick tip like that?

there's not really any thing left to gatekeep. 95% of modern seasonal anime is just CR/NF rips with official subs. Actual translation groups are dying out not helped by the whole video game culture war backlash against translators, corpo AI shilling etc. Most English translations will either be crappy MTL or crappy third language translations.

It's not like the boomer days where you had to know somebody who could copy VHS master tapes for you.

>>280231923
This. People are moving to anime because western media is so awful these days even.
Fuck normalFAGS. Fix western media so normalfags fuck off

>>280229626
Literally doesn't exist

>>280232079
We still have manga. Translations are part of the problem, language barrier is the best gate.

>>280222872 (OP)
CONSUMERS can't gatekeep when PRODUCERS want to expand.

>>280232120
It's the majority of manga. Try looking what's actually released in Japan instead of the limited selection your pirate sites have.

>>280232153
I thought you were referring to official western releases. Yes I concur

>>280232145
You can hinder the efforts by not spreading word of mouth or other types of exposure. Keep good titles for yourself, real fans will know how to find them.

>>280232170
Is everything released in France, Italy or wherever even available online? Or sites like Mangaplaza that cater to a niche audience most pirates don't care about.

Indonesian manga are safe and gatekept

>>280232244
I have never seen a series that has released not have an upload unless it's a week old. Pirates have some of the best work ethic for some reason

>>280232274
>Indogs

>>280223375
kill yourself retarded zoomer

>>280232274
because it's shit

It's really fascinating how japan itself fucking sucks ass so hard yet their adult comics industry has some of the most interesting fiction out there. There's a lot of fucking slop, yeah, but enough depth to find cool interesting series all the time.

Holy shit their bugmen normies are completely brainless though

>>280223375
This anon is halfway correct. You cannot gatekeep a hobby or piece of media. Not even the creator can truly do that.
You can only gatekeep communities centered around it.

>western comics suck
read some good ones then

>>280232198
except that doesn't work anymore because a random eceleb with millions of followers can mention some obscure title and get all of his fans to watch it
hell look at how retards are telling people how to pirate right in the open on mainstream social media

>>280233519
pic unrelated right?
Nobody wants to read that boomer trash.

Meanwhile in Japan they're making shit that's actually cool

I stopped watching anime before that data even started. But it sucks that the same thing is happening to manga, I just hope actually having to read a few full speechbubbles without an AI assist is enough to keep 50%+ of normalfag teens and 20s away from it for a while longer.

>>280234603
>normalfag teens and 20's
You're not the target audience, they are

>>280223375
a wise man prefers small close knit groups.
normalfags don't get it because they like being part of large loose knit groups since it validates their preferences or something.
i'd rather be a drop of water in the thimble than a rainstorm.

>>280233650
It works when you need to know Japanese.

>>280223375
>Read Sengoku Youko.
>It gets an anime (Thankfully not as shit as the Lucifer Biscuit Hammer one)
>Adaptation isn't 24/7 sakuga so it goes completely ignored by the mainstream despite being a genuinely good story.
>Only times I've ever seen it noticed was when the clip of the catgirl flashing Douren was posted on some other platforms.
>Normalfags see this and just call it generic goonerbait (The most basic kind of old school fanservice joke imaginable)
Nah, they don't know how to see actual quality and just get drawn to flashy animation like moths to a lamp. They offer absolutely nothing to the communities surrounding this media form and deserve to be gatekept from it.

>>280234392
Looks generic.

>>280222872 (OP)
Anon, what makes you think you aren't the one who should be gatekept?

>>280235378
It should be several layers of gates.

>>280235042
>they don't know how to see actual quality and just get drawn to flashy animation like moths to a lamp
The damage this has done to the discussion of what "good animation" is has been immesurable. Everything online, especially on youtube, is only about "action sakuga" with a very specific flow (3D camera, unsteady povs, Nakamura-inspired timings etc) and NOBODY gives a fuck about minute mechanical animation, character acting or inventive and smart use of the limitations of the medium, like the entire Dezaki school and his descendants (Shinbou, Ikuhara etc) or the slower realistic school of direction (Mochizuki, Takahata etc)

>>280235448
True.
>Top level is the unironic lolicon CGDCT lovers
>Romcoms and romcoms adjacent
>Kodomo Kangs
>pseudo intellectuals and seinen fans
>Bottom is shonen tards

>>280235530
I want unapologetic lolicon shonen

>>280235603
Precure exists anon

>>280230329
The code was neutered to irrelevancy by the 90s and wasn't binding prior to that.

>>280235711
Not lewd enough for me.

>>280234392
>Nobody wants to read that boomer trash.
i do
>Meanwhile in Japan they're making shit that's actually cool
you seem to be incapable of understanding the concept that some people might enjoy more than one type of thing. are you an american?

>>280236669
Popularity is strong correlated with quality
Your shitty looking french comic is poorly drawn, and completely tasteless in design. Nobody has ever heard of it because it's garbage.

Ichi the Witch on the other hand is the most popular series currently running in Shonen Jump and will get an anime within a year or two, which will propel its popularity even further. People will be cosplaying as its characters at conventions.
It's well drawn, its premiss is appealing, its action is engaging and it appeals to everyone

I don't care that you personally like it, and that you personally don't like Ichi, your opinion represents an irrelevant minority. Nobody will produce more comics like yours because nobody will buy it and nobody wants to see it, but Ichi will inspire many artists for decades to come

>CR
>instagram screencap phoneposter thread
How does /a/ do it? Even with all its’ flaws it still manages to maintain a level of quality far above the other media boards

>>280222872 (OP)
This exact sentiment has been shared every year for the past 30 years.

>>280237276
You missed the /co/ jak shit staying up for 6 hours and counting.

>>280237302
The difference is that this time, the apocalypse will actually hit us. No, it's already hitting us. Normalfags have reached critical mass. Despite fleeing from Westshit propagantainment, they'll destroy their very refuge just by making malevolent actors draw their attention towards manga and anime. Any alternative to Hollyslop is a threat that needs be destroyed or subverted. Enter High Guardian Spice. Enter Lazarus. These things will become only more common until they consume the industry. You WILL live to see it.

>>280237951
Nigger everyone knew it already hit with SnK. You thinking this shit is new is comical

>>280237157
>Nobody has ever heard of it because it's garbage.
and that's how i know you have no idea what you're talking about, which in itself is enough for me to sing off this convcersation, however i will address one more thing
>I don't care that you personally like it, and that you personally don't like Ichi
which is a hilarious strawman. i read ichi and i like it very much. again, you're simply incapable of understanding people might like more than one type of thing, which strikes my as extremely low iq
please apply yourself and good day

>>280237951
>Robotech is ruining anime for all us real otaku!
>Ranma and all the other black anime are ruining the culture!
>Dragon Ball Z is killing my tape racket with all these newfags!
>Naruto, Bleach, and FMA are bringing in all the Gaiafags, save me mootles!
>Set Fail for One Piece and Snack are killing anime, unlike JoJo
>Hero Academia is the next Naruto, it’ll make anime a normalfag medium!
>Kimetsu no Yaiba is the END of anime for weebs!
And so on and so on.
I’m willing to bet there were fucking Matsumoto fans who got really made at UY’s popularity on tapes or the rise of Ghibli films when Disney started doing them.
All these sentiments actually do is expose the ones espousing them as the newfags, because it just shows that you think something novel is happening in the current era when this is always happening.

>>280238167
>>280238431
He's clearly one of those we need to ward off. They ruined many other boards and now they're coming for us.

>>280238431
These other people were just wrong. But them being wrong doesn't mean the sentiment will always be wrong. The French had been ruled by Kings since time immemorial, yet that didn't save the final one when the end came for real.

>>280229258
This. Fucking amerimutts pretending anime has ever been underground. Most of them /v/ incels like this >>280229811 little faggot.
>>280229841
>copers will bring up things like Asterix, Archie, or Tintin, but nobody below the age of 60 cares about those
Mais t'es putain d'attardé c'est pas possible. Kill yourself.

>>280238884
>These other people were just wrong
Technically, the anti-Ranma and anti-DBZ guys were completely right, since every other "NOOOOOOO ANIME IS BEING STOLEN BY NORMALFAGS!!!!" moment has been a parallel to both of those.
The current one is Dandadan and "hood weebs" (twitter lingo I've had the misfortune of seeing here), which is 1:1 with posts about how obnoxious black anime was... in the 90s. With Ranma and Sailor Moon.

>>280229805
If someone can't figure out which comics to read what makes you think they'll figure out which manga to read without running into dog shit? It's trivially easy in the current year to get into comics. All you have to do is type "Read All Star Superman" into Google to get it for free. Getting free anime is a bigger hassle than that since they're actually playing wack a mole with those sites.

>>280238431
>I’m willing to bet there were fucking Matsumoto fans who got really made at UY’s popularity on tapes
Let me tell you, anime has been going downhill since this newgfangled World Masterpiece Theater has been making the rounds... MushiPro and Tatsunoko, now those were REAL anime... Heidi? Anne? Girlie shits, where are the Astro Boy and Gatchaman?
Anime is dead!

>>280229805
>>280231639
A big issue with American comics is actually more just how long the runs go a lot of the time.
Like, the definitive contained "full Spider-Man storyline" would be the initial Ultimate run all the way to the Death of Spider-Man which isn't that long all things considered. The big issue is that you're either paying $100 an omnibus, or buying a 4 issue, 30 part collected release that goes in and out of print constantly.
If you want to read Batman chronologically, from his introduction all the way to the end, there are ways to do that, but DC isn't keeping the massive "Golden Age Batman" omnibuses in stock. It's sort of a similar issue to Doctor Who, where you have to know what to look for and then inevitably pirate it (BBC splitting the older series' into "[Actor Name] - Season X" for the BDs with the seasons corresponding to the actor's tenure rather than the season of the show is incredibly confusing for newfags).

But comics also do a lot to get new people. They're just bad at advertising.
Most recently, Marvel has a subscription app where you can read dozens of full runs for a monthly cost, like what Shueisha is doing for MangaPlus, but comics especially were not designed for phones so it could be way more painful to read in that way than a manga.
What DC is doing is also aping manga a fair bit, with new, cheaper releases that ballpark in the same price as manga for complete runs, in a similar form factor (talking 1:1 the same size as a tankoban, just in colour, on the same paper quality). It's the "DC Compact Comics" line which has been going for a couple years now, about $10 a piece for stuff like All-Star Superman, or Batman Hush, but there is no "starting point".
Generally though, that's more because comics aren't entirely intended to have starting points. The continuity idea is a recent phenomenon, most American comics were written to be single issue stories.

>>280223375
Gatekeeping is retarded only if it kills the medium. Not gatekeeping after a certain point of popularity changes it so much that it produces the same effect

>>280239737
I haven't got any of the tankoban style printed comics, but I've seen them and they're unreadable.

Even at their usual A4 size, the panels in comics are often smaller than manga panels, and the drawings within them are even smaller still.
Reprinting that same comic but now yet even smaller is ridiculous.
They need to straight up cut the pages in half and make the panels twice as large if they want to make them readable.

>>280223630
That year, Kimetsu also outsold the next 30 titles on the japanese market and was like one third of the total sales.
After that, the physical sales had barely grew.
It saids more about the cultural phenomenon that was KnY and not the general state of the industry.

>>280222872 (OP)
The lid on anime being mainstream and popular has been opened. There's no closing it.
You're about a decade late.

>>280237157
>Popularity is strong correlated with quality
the most popular anime with normalfags are all flashy animated crap with no substance like Solo Leveling and JJK
and that's not even getting into outside of anime where the most popular movie this year is the dogshit Minecraft movie

>>280229405
You lost, get over it bud

>>280230044
KEK this has to be an edit right

>>280223375
they hated him because he spoke the truth

>>280237157
>Popularity is strong correlated with quality
I stopped reading here because that's so wrong it's insane.

>>280238431
>Set Fail for One Piece and Snack are killing anime, unlike JoJo
>>Hero Academia is the next Naruto, it’ll make anime a normalfag medium!
>>Kimetsu no Yaiba is the END of anime for weebs!
All true

>>280223375
>being interested in something that's unknown doesn't make you special
No it preserves what's special about the thing you're interested in. You can already see the effects of anime going mainstream in the west with all the censorship in new anime and the constant complaining about "omg those characters are teenagers!!!" Anyone who thinks gatekeeping is bad has never had an original thought or interest in their life and just go with the crowd because if they did they'd already know the negative effects that mainstream popularity has on ANY niche interest or idea. Commercial success is the least important thing to someone who genuinely enjoys something and having to share that thing with people who don't appreciate it for what it is with all of its nuances and peculiarities is like watching a part of you die slowly as you watch what you once love get watered down until its indistinguishable from all the other garbage around you that you've never had any interest in. People like you are cultural vampires and the reason why nothing good in life ever lasts.

>>280242060
>You can already see the effects of anime going mainstream in the west with all the censorship in new anime and the constant complaining about "omg those characters are teenagers!!!"
that was happening in the 2000s too

>>280239737
Manga isn't readable on phones either but large tablets exist for that purpose.
> (talking 1:1 the same size as a tankoban,
It's tankobon.　単行本, not 単行版. Or just use the word the Japanese normally use, コミックス. There's several sizes they use, JIS B6 and A5 being the most common. DC Compact uses 8.5" x 5.5" so it's closer to A5's 8.3"x5.8".
>same price as manga
Manga is super expensive in America as well when compared to Europe or Asia.

>>280242157
this was happening way before with other media and there's only one answer to this:
>yeah nah, fuck off
just tell people like these to fuck off. personally, when people in my vincinity point out some anime biitches are underage i go out of my way to point out "no, she's no 16, she's actually 12. well, she's 500 and a dragon, but only looks 12" with a fucking smug grin on my face. normalniggers can fuck right off

>>280242382
The price difference has virtually nothing todo with the difference in popularity between comics and manga, especially when you look at the amount of money kids spend on ingame trinkets in videogames, they absolutely have the money to throw around, they could spend 3x the price of current comics, but they don't, because they're simply not worth the money, they're not worth any money.
If you put a bunch of comics up on a stand literally for free, nobody would take them.
And equally if you doubled or even tripled manga prices, they would still fly off the shelves

>>280242674
But why is manga so expensive in the US?

>>280242157
Yeah, censorship is truly a shame. There's no denying that anime has been slowly gaining popularity for decades now, but its totally exploded into the mainstream in the past few years, and it hasn't been beneficial to the medium.

>>280242934
Everything is overpriced here.

>>280242934
Print media is less ubiquitous and there's more overhead because of it, while in Japan you can buy manga pretty much anywhere.

>>280243004
For anime the biggest problem nowadays is China. Though we saw a growth of censorship from the Japanese broadcasters during the Heisei era. The death of videograms doesn't help either.

>>280242157
>that was happening in the 2000s too
People weren't complaining about a teenager like Orihime having fat tits in 2005 bro. If anything it was the opposite, with people complaining about Rukia having a petite "childlike" body despite being hundreds of years old. Which they ironically don't do as much anymore due to the greater focus on attaching numbers to fictional characters instead of worrying about actual appearances.

>>280243212
In reality nobody should be complaining about drawings, though. Sadly, the general public is populated by disingenuous brainlets who use anything and everything as a tool to position themselves in a socially advantageous way. In relation to anime, that means they have to morally grandstand about the sexual purity of fictional 2D girls to get updoots and backpats from other disingenuous losers who have nothing intrinsic they can point to about themselves that they can derive self esteem from, so they're all doing whatever they're told will win them favor from society at large, regardless of if it even makes sense or not.

>>280222872 (OP)
At least 50% is from India.
>>280231923
No, normies didn't watched series as a hobby. It's only since Game of Thrones that people started to pick up the "hobby", then get interest into anime during COVID

>>280230074
>select all panels with text

>>280230192
That's not 4koma.
That's 5koma.
You can't trick me I went to kindergarten and learned many things before being escorted out.

>>280230295
Arsene Lupin III is not popular, because it was dubbed.
Lupin the Third is popular because it was subbed.
You proved his point.

>>280222872 (OP)
Anime is over as we know it. Fortunately Light novels are still too dorky for normalfags so we are safe there. As a genre though anime is dead as an art form.

>>280231614
Where did Japan get so much paper from?
I thought they didn't have ample forests?

>>280223375
actually it does make me fucking special until normal fags and jews find a way to make it cringe and a commodity they can exploit

>>280223423
best reply. Either low T redditor or a woman

>>280245307
>then get interest into anime during COVID
Yeah, that's what I said.

>>280242157
It was happening in the 90's.

>>280247635
Anime was over after baka gaijin westoids got their hands Speed Racer