Seems like every anime opening these days have these Tiktok dances like they're filming for social media. Is the eventual Yotsuba anime adaptation going to have her do these Tiktok dances?

You don't watch anime. You saved this from a /tv/ shitpost.

>>280229352 (OP)
thinking anime dances are new outs you as an underage newfag

>>280229352 (OP)
2/10 bait, you can do better.

>>280229352 (OP)
tik tok didn't invent dancing to music

Google "hare hare yukai"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dpVkuA4Ia84

>>280230075
>thinking Haruhi invented this

why do you even think about tick tok are you retarded?

Fuck OP. Post your favourite dance/performance OP/EDs.

https://youtu.be/GvCLS8IukdU
https://youtu.be/6Sby8-UDIa4
https://youtu.be/Rnvwc8uJbN4
https://youtu.be/XciMC1lg_Y0
https://youtu.be/vnO2R66BaYo (Beware: Autims nvke)

Silly dances should be in the ED. Silly dances should not be allowed in the OP.

>>280230075
Odd thing is, Hare Hare Yukai was never grating for me back then. I don't know why. Look at the OP webm and compare it to this. There's something about the OP webm that irked me.

>>280231666
It's the same thing though, satan. At the time of Hare Hare Yukai online video-sharing platforms have become a new norm so KyoAni made a dance routine anyone can imitate and upload online.
The Witch Watch OP and other of its kind are more concerned with recognizable, original dance moves than a full dance routine, which is the only aesthetic difference. Other than that, it's the same method of capturing audiences with the advent of a new trend.
It's not that you're too old for anime now, it's that you were too young to see the full picture.

>>280229352 (OP)
10/10 bait

>>280231666
It's because you were a kid back then and it was cool. You're not a kid now, so anything kids do is cringe.

>>280232112
This
I'd ask what can be done to remedy this but the answer is probably something boring like "embrace the passage of time"

Dancing in OPs or EDs has been a thing practically since the medium's inception:
https://youtu.be/IfnoD0tCzD8

>>280232733
I can't believe Oshii was chasing TikTok trends in the 80s. What a hack!

>>280232733
I wonder if there's earlier examples of dancing openings and endings than Urusei Yatsura.

https://youtu.be/wnDpkg0Slm0?si=HgiV7lRD7epdoEGf

>>280231666

>>280231666
lack of interesting movements in the OP, just bouncing and gang signs

>>280229352 (OP)
Still better than Medaka Kuroiwa.

>>280231666
Because it was one of the very few at the time, nothing to really compare it to. And viraling everything was not a thing yet.

>>280231666
Because that ending sequence had actual choreography and was well-directed and edited, it was visually engaging. There's nothing visually interesting in Witch Watch's dance. It truly feels as if it was made to bait TikTok users. It is short, simple, and shot as if someone were holding the phone.

>>280231666
It's because harehare yukai has actual dance moves satan. OP's was pure hand movement with bouncing left and right.

do people even still dance on Tik Tok? I haven't seen that in years.

>>280229352 (OP)
watching anime with beer is protip
>>280229678
also this

>>280233954
??? What the fuck do you mean they don't dance on Tiktok? Chat is this real?

>>280229352 (OP)
People are trying to dismiss your argument with
>HUR DUR ANIME ALWAYS HAD DANCE ENDINGS
but compare that soulless tiktok dance to the ones in
>>280230983
>>280231231
>>280231666
>>280232733
>>280232875
etc
In those you can feel the artists' enjoyment for the medium and the anime they're making through the direction, animating and choreography while you've got pure cynicism seeping out of >>280229352 (OP) with the suits shoehorning in a random boring, run of the mill dance (if you can even call it that) that any retard can do in the vain hopes that it'll catch fire on tiktok. It's disgusting.
And the sad thing is, you've got the same thing in about 5 other shows this season too. It's really becoming a fucking plague.

>>280233989
this is not a chat room bro, it's an imageboard

It's true that modern animu dances do look more ticktock though.

>>280234408
Bro what rock are you living under

>>280234368
You try too hard little guy.

>>280229352 (OP)
Really, the difference is just that modern music sucks. That's it!

>>280234436
Well that's because they are modern and "old good new bad" is the unbreakable law of the universe
Just give it ten tears at least

>>280231231
https://youtu.be/-QCo5WspK7Y

If it makes kids do some exercise then it’s not bad right?

>>280234908
>>280234930
We already said in the thread that the difference is that the OP dance is not a dance. They're just bouncing and doing hand signs.

>>280235083
Their lower body isn't even moving.

>>280234408
Chat, can you confirm???

Are we really going to deny that tiktok bait isn't a thing?
It makes complete sense to ad it in anime OP's, if its catches on its literally free marketing.

>>280235152
>Their lower body isn't even moving.
Are you blind?

>>280235606
bouncing is barely moving

>>280231666
Because you're correct and once again /a/ displays that their pattern recognition and critical thinking skills are ridiculously low
Hare hare yukari is a fully choreographed dance number. Not a montage of characters doing standing still and doing silly poses as if they are, like as you said, creating a tiktok video.

You can show /a/ a rock and and apple and they'll be like
>Uhhh what do you mean these are different???? They're both round you schizo
These are the people that critique anime with you. Galaxy Angel and Aria are the literally same thing because they both have a female cast

Why do people pretend tiktok dance bait and actual dancing are the same thing? There is an obvious difference.

>>280235980
Yeah, old good new bad, we heard it the first time

>>280229352 (OP)
You're getting some shit, but I think the whole issue is a little Column A, a little Column B.
On one hand, there have always been gay little dances in anime. Matter of fact, a lot of the TikTok dance bullshit was directly inspired by anime.
On the other hand, it's clear to me that this is just another example of the hack ouroboros; shitty artists, or people who are just chasing trends, just reference popular shit related to their genre. People will just copy shit from popular examples of media related to whatever they're creating.
Everything becomes a clone of a clone of a clone, and each one is more soulless and deformed than the last.
Of course they're putting TikTok dances into their shows now. It's popular, so they're just swimming in the same direction as the rest of the fish. In the grand scheme this makes the medium shittier, but in the short term they get a little extra social media engagement that allows them eke out a few more views, so they keep doing it.

>>280236038
Leg and body movement good
Slight hip sways with bouncing, mostly stationary bodies, and flailing arms bad

>uhm tiktok baiting dances do not exist because there has been dancing in the history of anime

>>280229352 (OP)
the damage kaguya did to anime is immeasurable

>>280229352 (OP)
Nah, you're just an old newfag, dances have always been a part of not only anime but japanese TV culture

>>280231666
Because it's an actual full dance and not just a bunch of 2 second clips.
It also helped that we didn't have tiktok at the time so you didn't have a million idiots repeating it.

Anyone else feel bad for this new breed of poster that dedicate themselves to being professional wet blankets

The occasional laugh in their discord chats can't be worth having to larp as a miserable faggot all day

>>280236601
Way to admit you weren't around back then. There were hundreds of YouTube videos and every con was filled with events doing the dance.

>>280236639
They're surrounded by fellow miserable faggots.

>>280235152
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y6lqPw8T9G4
>They're just bouncing and doing hand signs
Oh yeah that's definitely a new thing Japan has never done before.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J8etCrw0TPA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XTtLvgojSqE
In addition to Parapara there's also stuff like Wotagei, where the choreography is mostly done with the upper body. You can see a lot of the same if you look at 2000s vocaloid choreography, you can even look to more traditional examples like Oendan choreography or Bon Odori / Ondo. These all have mostly arm movements and a very simple step if at all.

To be clear, I completely agree that the OP gif looks like shit, I'm just calling you out for beingo ignorant of Japanese culture and anime in general. I barely even watch anime past 2015 cause I think it sucks, but I watch enough older anime to know these things have always existed. There's also just way more anime nowadays so you're bound to have more garbage. So yeah, if you watch garbage seasonals you're gonna get garbage visuals but don't make it about the dances. Also making it about the body movement is just backpedaling which hilariously is also completely wrong.

tl;dr old good new bad but you're also an ignorant faggot

>>280235980
>>280236336
https://litter.catbox.moe/r995ny42go2ie15j.webm

>>280236642
Obviously there we people doing the dance you idiot. I never said nobody did them.
But it wasn't nearly as prevelant as it is now. Now you have literally millions even people who don't know anything about anime doing anime OP dances or meme dances.
Back then the only big videos were of dance mobs or straight up adult business suits doing the dances or the dues in blue overalls and masks which is so old i can't even find them anymore. The few videos of teens doing them in thier rooms or school festivals barely existed, compared to now where you have millions of tiktoks and yt shorts doing it. Because now you are almost the weird person for not knowing or watching anime.
You can't tell me shit like Dandadan OP isn't made basicly as tiktok bait, just look that shit up on tiktok or yt shorts and see how many thots dance to it and get millions of views.

Good lord kid go outside lmfao

>>280229352 (OP)
Shit was just better back then. We had dances that last more than 3 seconds.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5KW-krqZ3qo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lZ7N1bMkqZ0

>>280229352 (OP)
Piss off chud. Dandadan is an absolute bing bang bang bing bang bang banger & a slapper. We are the future of /a/.

>>280229678
This, so much heckin this. OP dance is literally the same as Haruhi!!!

>>280230983
This destroys the scumbag OP from /tv/

>>280237262
kill yourself butthurt retard

>>280237042
You seem awfully knowledgable about what teenagers are doing on tiktok.
Why the hell would I care what random children I will never interact with in my life are doing on a website I have never visited. Should I also be mad that random preteens are currently roleplaying on Roblox at this very moment?

I’m 50 and I’m still not too old for anime — although the amount I watch has dropped to almost nothing. I started watching in my late teens just after the setting of the golden age and got seriously into it in the 90s. I “grew up” on the golden age greats in the local anime club and built up a large VHS library of fansubs throughout the mid- to late-90s. The fact is, the quality of anime has degraded continually since I started until the present day. Like everything else in entertainment (competency crisis I guess) it really dropped through the floor over the last decade or so, and for the last several years it’s been almost nothing but trash.

>>280229352 (OP)
Hating dancing has to be the most soulless shit

>>280237475
You seem to be mad at random anons, which is just as bad.
>inb4 "i don't actually care!"

ITT: Anon has very strong opinions on what counts as dancing. (Anon is a faggot.)

>>280237555
you picked the last sentence to respond to because you have nothing else to say besides “no u”

>>280237214
Fuck i'm old
I need to get off this website and leave the rest to the zoomers.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KZN1Zv3dZ7E
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dw5gc-8_49A

>>280231868
>t's the same thing though
it's really not, zoomer. you have no idea what you're missing

I'm 35 and I'm still not too old for anime — there is no such thing as being too old for something, just because you're not the target audience doesn't mean you cannot appreciate even good media that wasn't meant for you. There are hundreds of posters on /a/ who claim to be 30+ year old and they have worse taste in anime than what I had when I was still underage (i.e. around 20-22 years old, everyone under the age of 25 is underage). The only way age correlates with my enjoyment of anime overall is that I'm running out of my backlog and good anime is barely made these days. No, it's not "old good new bad", there was plenty of trash in the old days too, and "good stuff" isn't made anymore because of money, live action TV shows way worse off than anime, and movies are also worse off than anime. Only video games are doing better than anime. I will be "too old" for anime after SBR's anime adaptation finishes, because then there's no good anime left to adapt Made in Abyss will never be finished, the author will die from a heart attack first.

>>280237791
Why? We were here first. The zoomers should leave for discord or whatever if old men complaining annoys them, but I suspect it doesn't.

>>280237555
Of course I care about you posting dumb shit on my home board. Meanwhile you seem asspained about random children offsite. Everybody knows teenagers are cringy and retarded, that's why I choose not to interact with them, yet you go out of your way to seek them out.
You're basically a grown man jumping into the ball pit at McDonald's and complaining that it smells like piss.

>>280229352 (OP)
>hey look these 5 same dances we have talked about for 30 years, is totally the same to every anime trying to trend on tiktok
I just don't get people like this >>280229678 trying SO hard to deny it, emphasis on "SO hard", it just seems weird.

>>280237971
They are the same people who think everyone will still talk about JJK, Dandadan or Chainsaw Man 20 years from now.

>>280229352 (OP)
I haven't really watched an OP/ED in 10-15 years. If you don't like the song after listening to it once or twice i just skip it.

>>280237971
It's /a/'s worse take. Almost every anime with a marketing budget is trying to go viral in some way and dancing is an avenue for that. It is not beyond anyone's imagination that sometimes dances are put in the OP/ED to encourage it. This isn't invalidated since dancing isn't new and has been around longer than there has been homo sapiens.

>TIKTOKTIKTOKTIKTOKTIKTOKTIKTOKTIKTOKTIKTOKTIKTOKTIKTOKTIKTOKTIKTOKTIKTOKTIKTOKTIKTOKTIKTOKTIKTOKTIKTOKTIKTOKTIKTOKTIKTOKTIKTOKTIKTOKTIKTOKTIKTOKTIKTOKTIKTOKTIKTOKTIKTOKTIKTOKTIKTOKTIKTOKTIKTOKTIKTOKTIKTOK
Absolutely mindbroken

>>280237665
It's all dancing but some are tailor made to be easy, flashy, and fit well with a phone's aspect ratio.

I never liked them even as a kid, but the older i get the more i hate the exagerated faces they do.
I know caricaturization is core concept of animation but it just unnerves me.

>average 2025 anime OP

Isnt it weird how these people seem to hate modern anime and modern dancing but have countless negative examples ready to post at moments notice? They're really persistent too.

Its almost like they're posting according to a script.

>>280238116
Every anime is trying to sell, that has been true since the 60s.The methods have simply changed over time. Back in the day they would run ads on TV, in magazines, have the seiyuu advertise the anime on variety shows or radio talkshows. Now they advertise via the internet, what's the difference? They always would advertise in ways they deemed most profitable, the ways simply have changed.
It's not like they were doing OP/ED for fun back in the day either, you'd have your best animation showcased in the OP to draw in an audience and would have popular singers perform the songs.
I really don't get how this is a hard concept for people to grasp. I don't even like modern anime but people will criticize the most pointless things.

Old good new bad

But

Unironically

>>280238274
>easy
>flashy
>fit well with a phone's aspect ratio
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xoj_h2SBtzw
Can't believe the nips were pandering to Tiktok in 1992.

>>280238661
Dandadan's new season looks fire!

>>280231045
>Mising the entire point
Holy shit, what a retard

>>280239034
You are not wrong but you are silly if you think that getting popular via tiktok isn't one of the avenues. You fags are in complete denial about this one aspect, which seems otherworldly to me how purposefully obtuse it is.

>>280238468
By far the worst silly faces in anime I've seen are in Ookiku Furikabutte (2007). The MC is constantly making this retarded face and every time I saw this I just wanted to punch my screen

>>280229352 (OP)
>Yotsuba anime
>the older girls trying to do tiktok dances
>Yotsuba just butts in and ruins their dance

This opening alone would give birth to 10 tiktok dances if it came out nowadays.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ep3QkaabO-c

>>280239034
It's not pointless though, you literally just displayed that it's a very important part of the anime and said yourself that it's a big draw. It's no less immune to critique than any other aspect of anime. It's not like OP said that it's objectively bad he just said he's too old for these new and that this stuff doesn't appeal to him.

>>280239218
Anon I don't think we are disagreeing. I'm completely with you that trying to go viral is a marketing tactic companies employ nowadays.
All I'm saying is marketing has always tried to sell their product. Going viral is just marketing's wet dream, since you aren't paying to run ads, people are doing it for you.for free. You can be damn sure they would have done it back in the day if social media had existed then.

Basically what I'm saying is advertising has always existed, dancing in anime has always existed and OP/ED visuals and music have always been used for sales, just the methods have changed. You could argue that releasing a hit single from a popular artist that topped the music charts was the 1990 equivalent of "going viral".

>>280238661
stupid parents these days:
>hey whats you kid doing?
>Oh nevermind, he / she is watching tik tok
>so... pr0n?
>How dare you suggest my kid watches pr0n? its tik tok!!
>so... pr0n?
>no! its a clean platform!! for kids!!
>*show parents tik tok meme "dances"*
>the color leaves their face
>I dunno if laugh, give'em some pats on the back , or just watch
And now we have tons of "parents" shrugging at how the fuck do they have brainrotted kids. I fear the future, when I'll be ina nursing home and my nurse have to ask chatgpt 400 the procedure for wiping my ass. Nope, I'll better start getting in shape, because you cant depend on them for taking care of your ass.

>>280239746
What I meant is that OP chose to worst part to criticize. Instead of talking about the poor animation, jerky movement, ugly backgrounds and bland character designs he decides the issue here is dancing.
Then he doubles down saying the issue is that it isn't a full choreography like Hare Hare Yukai, even though that has always been the case. It's way more common to have a short dancing sequence among other scenes in the OP (Overman King Gainer, Kekkai Sensen, Death Parade, every single idol anime, etc.). Then he triples down saying the issue is "slight hip swaps with bouncing, mostly stationary bodies and flailing arms".

By his definition this Conan OP from the year 2000 is peak Tiktok bait.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RtiOLF-9s_M
>song by popular artist
>not a full choreography
>barely any lower body movement, flailing arms

I'm saying he had so many things to criticize and he chose the dumbest one which just outed him as being ignorant of older anime.

>>280239218
I don't think about tiktok at all.

>>280229352 (OP)
>Tiktok dances
you're braindamaged zoomer marxist if you think commie videos invented dancing in anime. >>>/pol/

>>280229678
>>280230039
>>280230075
>>280230983
Tiktok dances are a particular style which emphasize rigid posture and simple arm/hand gestures (because many creators film themselves in tight spaces or with phone cameras) and are simple and repetitive, making them easy to learn and imitate. But despite trying to bury the issue by deferring to older anime dances, you're too retarded to appreciate the craft of dance at all.

>>280234368
>>280242324
>older dances also involve rigid posture and simple arm/hand gestures
>basically identical
>but it feels different and new!!!
Just admit you're old, jaded, and your nostalgia glasses are fused to your face. This place never fucking changes despite everything.

>>280241302
having chatgptbot wiping your ass will be safer and more effective than modern nurses.

>>280242491
>>older dances also involve rigid posture and simple arm/hand gestures
The only examples of that posted ITT are from Conan and exceptionally poor IRL idol dances which have always had the same stigma as Tiktok. Other attempted examples such as Anpanman, a literal kodomo anime, and Dragon Half still have drastically more balance and core/lower body movement than Tiktok dances. It actually defeats the defenders' own points; Tiktok dances are simpler than ones that 5-year-olds are supposed to be able to imitate.

In any case, I don't give a shit what old anime did anyways. The heart of the matter is that Tiktok dances suck and deserve to be called out.

>>280242271
Nobody said this, I rather listen to OP than a person seeing hallucinations.

>>280243486
Modern soulless tiktok slop OPs and EDs could never

>>280231231
https://youtu.be/SCmvKDZnVocOt-DZRFXfXETl77Z
BOMB A HEAD

>>280233684
>Hare Hare Yukai didn't go viral
nigga stop embarrassing yourself.

>>280242919
Dances without complicated steps are meant to be danced by amateurs, and Tiktok is far from the only explanation for it. As you mentioned dances in kodomo anime or sentai are simple so kids can follow them. Similarly Japanese folk dances also have a simple choreography and little movement. Then you've got rigid choreography by Oendan, which has a military tradition and Wotagei with a single firm stance, danced by otaku. Parapara came from nightclubs in the early 90s and the only step is a basic shuffle.
What do Tiktokers, literal children, peasant villagers, soldiers, otaku and clubbers have in common? None of them are professional dancers, that's why all of these dances are similar.
Here's Oguri Cap dancing a folk dance from last season, it's also incredibly simple and rigid except it's actually well animated so you can see the finer movements. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IfqQwUrcuWE
Is Caramelldansen or Macarena a Tiktok dance? All the things you said apply to those too.

>>280242919
The Conan example is parapara (the hand "flipping" makes it obvious), which was popular in the very late 90s and early 00s in Japan. You can also see it in other anime OPs from that era.

>>280229352 (OP)
newfags have always managed to shit up the board since the 2000s
the haruhi dance existed and it wasn't even the first one so I suggest you consider a career as an hero in mha

>>280244876
>>280245081
Thanks for the education, but it doesn't affect the point or the current situation at all.
>All the things you said apply to those too.
Both of those dances emphasize full body movements, so no they don't no matter how simple they are. To put them up on Tiktok you'd either be halfway out frame the whole time or have an obscene amount of negative space on camera.
>Dances without complicated steps
Keyword "complicated". A big difference from "without steps".
>kenjutsu and fencing both have stances where the sword is held at waist-height pointed outward so actually fencing isn't a real thing, therefore your criticisms of fencing are invalid
This is your argument.

>>280245455
>Thanks for the education, but it doesn't affect the point or the current situation at all.
It kind of does. Parapara was basically Japan's turn of the millennium equivalent of ticktock dances. The same girls who went to clubs to parapara are the same girls who would be posting those dances online if the capability existed at the time (hell, late 90s gyaru culture is LITERALLY where the idea of the phone selfie came from).

Tiktok dances are just parapara coming back in a new form. Hell, there's a direct throughline connecting the two: AKB048 became a thing soon enough after parapara died that their dances still took a lot of influence from it. AKB048 were RIDICULOUSLY influential, to the point where most Asian idol groups still inherit influence from them. Tiktok has a large Asian userbase, so the Tiktok dances that originated from Asia took a lot of inspiration from popular Asian pop idols (particularly Kpop idols, who are a bizarre mesh of early 2010s Japanese idols and western pop culture).

Tiktok dances are the same dances as these anime OPs, just after 20+ years of mutation.

>>280246061
>In any case, I don't give a shit what old anime did anyways. The heart of the matter is that Tiktok dances suck and deserve to be called out.

Is "Talking Heads" 2025 Tik Tok / Anime?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5IsSpAOD6K8

>>280246111
You should. It's important to learn your history.

And yeah, the people who brought up Haruhi are correct. It's generally considered the first anime to "go viral" in a modern sense. Mainly due to coming out at just the the right time to be all over early Youtube/Niconico (the concert scene was the most viewed anime-related video on Youtube for years, right up until it got a takedown).

>>280237475
Amazing goalpost moving retard

>>280246269
David Byrne is definitely an anime character.

>>280231666
No tiktok
Organic street dancing for fun where people weren't concerned with the amount of likes/views/follows they were going to get
Novelty of Haruhi at the time being a cultural phenomenon and unique
etc etc etc