>Everyone will die. Including me!

>>280317105 (OP)
I just hope episode 4 is better, they've already lost the majority with the whiplash pacing of the first three episodes.

what the fuck? i watched the lotm anime eps that are out, and they made leonard hot and suave as fuck instead of some poetry dork? crazy

Lord of Tranny Men

>>280317390
Donghua are very bad at sticking to the story. You really want the (rare) Japanese animation that actually sticks to the original script.

>>280317105 (OP)
Lord of the Frauds

Baka-sama..

>>280317105 (OP)
Episodes have been peak. Haters gonna hate. I anticipate things will only get better from here.

>>280317390
Everything about the anime reeks of some boomer executive going through a checklist of "things to make my anime popular" and cramming them all in thinking they'll all massively increase the popularity instead of destroying the source material and rendering it an incomprehensible mess.
>words le boring, remove the dialogue
>action le based, add anime-only action scenes
>flashy action le based, make everyone flashier and stronger than they should be
>fujo pandering because someone told me they're loud on twitter, make leonard a j-pop idol

I HATE IT

What is this about? The synopsis doesn't tell anything

>>280320258
Lovecraft rip off, just read Lovecraft if any of it sounds interesting to you.

>>280320258
Guy gets isekai'd into a world that resembles industrial revolution europe, he gets isekai'd into another guy's body who just shot himself in the head but the wound heals, also there's a secret society of magic power users and from there it's about unraveling the mysteries of the world and trying to find a way home.

>>280320343
You haven't read Lovecraft and you haven't read LOTM.

>>280320643
sad tranny cope

>>280317308
I heard episode 4 will be 30 minutes of pure tarot gathering. It should be discussing Audrey's potion and backlund public examinations

>>280321907
i fucking love the tarot gatherings more than anything else, except maybe the potions
i wish more isekai had legitimate, long-term secret society meetings that actually matter for the plot and weren't just gimmicks

The shitty adaptation just made me read the novel again to appreciate it more. I hope the chinks ruin the career of whoever botched it so hard.

when will Klein start Lampooning?

>>280322530
when his glabella flares up

>>280321907
That was a bold faced lie. The next episode is about Klein going to his sister's friend's party, and therefore most likely also SoL of him joining the divination club.

>>280322530
Right after he says it's morbin time

Is this shit good or nah
Seems to have good ((((reviews)))) online

>>280317105 (OP)
>Everyone will die. Including me!
Is this one of those copouts where it's like
>"Akshually you technically did die but you got better :)"
things?

>>280317410
Tranny cultivation is COI not LOTM

>>280322760
I'm a novelfag and I think the adaptation is shit, but maybe it's good in the eyes of animeonlys who don't know the differences. The novel is a masterpiece though.

>>280320384
>trying to find a way home
Except he immediately abandons finding a way home and decides instead to LARP as some kind of genius Lelouch puppetmaster guy pulling everyone's strings.

>>280322760
book is better but yes it's good
>>280322764
it's not really a cop-out. the person who wrote that really did die permanently

>>280322764
It's not an actual prophecy, it's the ramblings of a literal madman corrupted by eldritch maggot powers

>>280322792
>he doesn't know

>>280322836
Not sure if you're complaining about the novel or how the anime handled that scene, but his motivations are clearly laid out in the novel.

>>280322885
>I don't know wtf is going on
>Some randos just appeared in front of me
>Guess I'll just put on a deep mystery nigga voice, pose like Gendou Hikari and spout cryptic shit now
It was ridiculous

>>280322968
Yes, Klein as a character (and by extension the author) is smarter than you and you can't self-insert as someone who makes you feel stupid for exposing you inadequacies. Maybe Mushoku Tensei is more your speed? You get a complementary Tenga for joining the thread.

>>280322968
They couldn't spare 10 seconds of monologuing to justify it because they needed room for the anime-only aura farming scenes, please understand.

>>280322968
i thought the "he'll answer your question" bit was simultaneously smooth and pretty fucking funny

>>280322968
>Gendou Hikari
lol'd

>>280322968
that's based though

Honestly in some ways the anime(dongwa) is better than the novel. Its been awhile but I remember the novel having tons of filler and descriptions like he walked through the room very victorianly and Jack Sparrowly.

I hope they do the scene with Justice's friend and the[possessed mirror(or whatever it was). That scene was memorable from the novel for whatever reason.

>>280324722
If this is too unnecessarily wordy for you then you have brain damage.

>>280322968
"If someone asks you if you're a god, you say yes!"

>>280322968
And that's why Klein (formerly zhou) is a genius and you're just a peasant. How much leg pulling klein does in this series is legendary.

Yo, i'm a god and sheeit for real for real, and they actually believed him.

>>280317105 (OP)
>tis top tier animation
Yes, but...
It's in Mandarin Chinese, and I find it difficult to grasp the characters' emotions in that language. It's also a little difficult to pay attention to the plot since they're all super-stylized pretty boys. I quickly lose interest and start looking elsewhere. Is this yaoi or shoujo?

>>280317105 (OP)
I only read reverend insanity, how likely it is for me to be invested in lotm?

>>280326618
It's peak chinese wn. If you can understand the first book then you'll enjoy the rest of the series.

>>280326618
That's like asking if you'll like Bakemonogatari if you've only watched Gundam.

>>280327361
I mean its cultivation novels arent they are the same genre?

>>280327487
lotm isn't cultivation

>>280327487
That's like saying Toradora and Boku no Pico are the same since they are both romance, an apt comparison because lotm is super gay the author has a fetish for men becoming women.

>>280327487
I'd call LotM cultivation in the same breath that Code Geass is romance.

>>280322836
>>280322885
>>280322968
It's simple and just requires a single brain cell to understand.
If this was "ridiculous" then what kind of "super logical thing" would you have expected to happen instead and what would be its consequences? Just be all confused and ask what is going on, or even ask for a "back way home" directly?
Yeah right, Alger would look down on you as someone who somehow got power by accident (and he'd be right) and he might also try to persuade Audrey not to listen to you who clearly doesn't know what he is doing.
Granted, you could just send them away and never summon them again and instead summon others among those dozens maybe even hundred floating stars, after having prepared a plan how to handle them if you want to use it as a source of information in the future, but chances are high that Alger would notify his experience to his church in this case, causing you to lose your advantage of having the grey fog realm being unknown by having it be exposed very early.

>>280327570
You clearly read the novel so it's obvious to you yet you're too stupid enough to think from the perspective of an animeonly. Just look at your own post, you're projecting your own knowledge of Alger and his connection to his church onto Klein's thought process, when he had absolutely zero idea about any of that. Dumbass.

>>280327537
So does reverend insanity like bai ning bing and hei lou lan kek, is this chinese writing thing? Similar to them mentioning courting death every few chapters.
>>280327563
>>280327519
Appears i was misimformed, i swear i heard multipe retards calling lotm cultivation novel hence my stupid statement.

>>280327684
Those were probably just shitposters trying to disparage it, I'm assuming in the vein of "it's cultivation slop because chinks only write cultivation slop".

>>280317105 (OP)
>ching chong nip nong
dropped

>>280327621
From an anime-only perspective exposing yourself would perhaps be even dumber because you show weakness in front of random strangers as someone who is in dire need of more information. No matter in what form, admitting to being confused would be a retarded move in this situation.
The only viable alternative action would be to directly send back Alger and Audrey without saying anything and then summon them back soon after once your thoughts are back in order and you have a plan how to handle them.

>>280327899
You're just regurgitating Klein's own thought process from the novel. You've already proven you're a midwit who can't think from other people's perspectives, there's no point continuing this.

>>280327803
just turn your auditory senses off bro

It doesn't really matter since he has plot armor. When he just makes up random bullshit it somehow becomes true. He's like shadow, except he's not funny.

>>280327931
Well genius, why don't you offer a logical course of action? You've been hiding behind a vague abstract notion of "not what Klein did" but did not offer any concrete alternative behavior to see if it's viable enough.
Well? What would a donghua-only think is logical and reasonable yet also not retarded when suddenly encountering two random strangers in some strange realm that you seemed to have just accidentally summoned them into?

I'm more inclined to believe that Klein subconsciously chose to larp as a mysterious being. The same goes for his decision to have people call him "the fool."

>>280328020
The argument isn't about Klein's thought process being wrong, you utter imbecile. It's about whether animeonlys could understand his thought process when it completely removed the entire monologue, to which you responded by dropping future knowledge from after that scene happened which Klein didn't know at that time to justify Klein making that decision, which is wrong on so many levels that you have to be unironically 80 IQ to even be making such retarded posts. This is your last (You).

>>280328061
you win

When are we seeing the cute monkey tamer clown girl again?

>>280328061
animeonly here
1. that guy you were arguing with is definitely a retard
2. in such a scenario you either pretend or ask questions, it was obvious to me he chose the pretend route

for me the problem is all the other shit
why did they ask him to join?
i assumed he already was a magic guy (what with the divine realm), why did that not conflict with drinking a potion
how did he suddenly know how to do dowsing and shit. they only said the rituals or whatever existed, not that drinking a potion gave you the knowledge how to do that
and some other shit i'm sure i already forgot
(no i'm not asking for spoilers or novel-only info, i'm just saying that the show is handling this badly)

>>280328194
>why did they ask him to join?
It's standard practice for official church beyonders to recruit survivors of paranormal events into their ranks.
The reason is simple: they're already entangled in supernatural stuff and it's very likely they get caught in something like that again, it would be both easier to watch over them when they're literally under your wing and at the same time you put them to work to solve the issues they'll get caught up in.
In the novel, Klein wasn't immediately given a potion. He had to work as a clerk for a few weeks under their watch, getting educated on beyonder matters and stuff before being given the clear.

>>280328265
They should hire me

>>280328265
>novel
It's only loosely based on the novel. Klein is going to get with Audrey in this version for example.

>>280328061
Like I said, the "future knowledge" isn't even necessary here. Exposing himself as being ignorant here is just dumb and going against both Klein's short-term goals of gathering information and keeping himself safe, and his long-term goal of finding a way back home.
Anyone who thinks it ridiculous, as long as they just said to themselves "that's ridiculous, I would have instead..." would almost certainly come to the conclusion of "oh wait a second, the alternatives would have been quite dumb" unless they come up with the idea of sending Alger and Audrey back temporarily like I mentioned.
It's a problem that fixes itself as long as the person actually cares and isn't someone just scrapping the surface, getting highs from "exposing inconsistencies" or is simply a consumerist who watches at 2x speed.

>>280328341
> Klein is going to get with Audrey in this version for example.
By the Mother Tree of Desire, NO
Roselle wrote clearly that bitches ain't shit but hoes and tricks

>>280328541
The executives consulted their spreadsheet and getting bitches was right there under more fights.

>>280328341
Is this real?
>>280328541
>>280328585
Hey, look on the bright side. It's better than adding gay stuff with Leonard like I would've expected.

>>280328649
Yeah they like to cover all the bases so Leonard hooks up with Alger.

>>280328541
>Roselle wrote clearly
Yeah well he fucks men.

>>280328869
Bros before hoes.

>>280328869
The taste of demoness ain't bad

>>280317390
>>280320155
No one watches sausagefest shows except fujos, so it's understandable.

>>280322055
Because isekai are written by 16 year olds who just want to self-insert for a volume (and don't have anything prepped past that)

>>280328953
>bros inside bros

Is it truly gay to taste a Demoness? They aren't cheap fakes like regular trannies, they are women biologically and mystically.

>>280329056
Half the supporting cast by the end of the book is women.

>>280329303
If you have to ask if something is gay it means you are gay, and yes that is also gay.

On a scale of 1-10 how badly have they botched this adaptation

>>280320258
Xianxia in chinese pretend London

>>280330130
Maybe a 7 or 8. The visuals are high quality at least.

>>280317105 (OP)
Did tencent’s episode 3 clown fight gambit pay off? The zoomers seem to be bringing it up the charts

>>280330658
beats me, the anime has barely made a dent in the west because there's no dubs

>>280330658
Zoomers are easily amused considering they were already shouting PEAK FR FR on episode 1 which didn't even have fights. They would've been caught up in the bandwagon hype regardless. All this gambit did was fuck things up for viewers with a brain.

>>280328013
>When he just makes up random bullshit it somehow becomes true.
this is literally, unironically how he becomes a god lol

>>280317105 (OP)
When is the Japanese Dub? I don't like hearing ching chong

>>280329303
it's the straightest thing a man can do quite honestly
maybe second straightest. the actual straightest is walking the demoness path yourself

>>280330868
He was doing that before ever touching a potion, it's just plot armor.

>>280321907
>>280322055
>>280322575
They really need a full on episode about the tarot club. It's a good way to extensively show how an ordinary(if rich) person sees Beyonders and The Fool(wow, this is so cool), and how an experienced veteran sees it(I'm going to shit myself, but I'll sit in this shit for hours as long as The Fool is pleased).

>>280330658
I don't use tiktok or twitter, so I dunno.

>>280330983
i just find it amusing how it worked out in the end. it's one of my favorite methods, even if it's pretty gimmicky
>>280331011
yep, agreed. i think a lot of animeonlies are going to be missing how much of a "holy shit" factor a lot of the things klein does have

>>280331011
they'll just cut and shorten it to have more time for aura farming scenes anyway
god I fucking hate the nigger in charge of this adaptation

Was OG Klein special?

>>280331122
no

>>280331122
especially unlucky, lol

>>280317308
what i learned from many anime adaptations, only novel fags care about pacing and the novel fags are minority and completely irrelevant

Never read the novel or heard before anime, enjoying it a lot, Ep 3 especially.

I can understand readers concerns, been same way with King`s Avatar - but it is the way it is. You can never fit a complex detailed novel in few seasons of anime.

>>280330658
Their primary target audience are chinks, no idea what the normalfags there think about it. Someone posted screenshots from one particular chink board where a lot were dissatisfied about it when the first two episodes released, but that seemed to be a very niche autistic subset of chink keyboard warriors, not the normalfag audience that it's supposed to target.

>>280331515
so chink normalfags are just literal fags?

>>280324852
god this sounds like shit though. is it better sounding in chinese?

>>280330901
1 month

if by some miracle they end up adapting COI, would it be better if they made cuttlefish try to salvage it by rewriting the story or if they should stick to the novel? maybe with some editing (tard wrangling) from others it won't be as shit

>>280331122
>Was OG Klein special?
University graduate and fluent in 2 major languages of that world. However, he's a commoner and rather introverted. He managed to get into university and actually graduated, meaning he's smarter than average, but only focused on his studies so he didn't build connections with other noble children meaning his degree won't get him the decent jobs. Unfortunately he's one of those youngsters who has no idea how dangerous beyonder world is and meddled with an ancient book with his only 2 friends. All of them commited suicide due to the book and that's that.

anyway needs dub with Victorian accents

>>280332656
>would it be better if they made cuttlefish try to salvage it by rewriting the story
No, the problems with COI are more fundamental and would require vast rewrites of the plot, and even then we'd probably end up losing good parts like with Roselle or massive fucking spoileramon

>>280328341
No, in the Canadian localization he will get together with suzie.

>>280317105 (OP)
>Indeed, after Klein Moretti, in a rather... unexpected und UNreasonable development survived his own suicide things go back on track and I the true protagonist of this story, directed everything until Dunn Smith and Klein Moretti both ended up with the reasonable development of being dead. Oh, they saved Tingen as martyrs, how touching... well I reached sequence 4 now and left Tingen in favor of Backlund, a great place, though I don't intend to stay for too long. Now I have to deal with the likes of curious detectives that just don't understand what matters to stay away from, like that guy named Sherlock. But I am sure he'll encounter the kind of reasonable development he deserves as well. That's it for this chapter, see you next time for another chapters of: Eternal Darkness!

>>280335753
>loses his pants

did they fix the subs? seeing some v2 and v3 on my feed

>>280336338
Yes.

New Mysticism class + Q theatre just dropped.

>>280338616
Where? On Crunchyroll?

>>280336802
good, the original subs seemed MTL at parts.

>>280317105 (OP)
Why is this chinkshit on /a/ when it isn’t anime?

>>280335753
>seq 5 thinks he can handle the quill of fucking alzuhod
Ince was the biggest retard in the entire world, and you only realize that once you realize that the quill has a mind of its own, and always tries to write its users demise

Ok bros should I just read this or watch the adaption?
What other Manhua should I read? RI has me put off simply because the CCP situation.

>>280339231
https://nyaa.si/view/1990483

You might want to bookmark that site for future use, if you think you should ever use crunchyroll.


>>280342201
Read, only if you feel like it watch the adaptation.
>What other Manhua should I read?
Depends what you're into I guess. I like Coiling Dragon, Desolate Era and Lord Xue Ying a lot but that's because they're really to my taste.

>>280342201
its gookshit instead of chinkshit but SSS-class revival hunter is a good manhua/novel.
author's other story "I'm a infinite regressor but I have stories to tell" or something is a good novel too but no manhua.

>>280342451
Yeah, if he wasn't specifically asking Chinese (afaik) I'd have recommended SSS-class revival hunter at the top. Only novel in the same tier at the top for me as LotM.

>>280342201
If you can pay attention to some rapid fire information, or are smart enough/fine with piecing some things together through context, then watch the adaptation. The animation is fantastic, the music is good, but too any anons can't handle a start that leaves them asking questions.

If you can't stand a slow first 50 chapters then don't read the novel, I've heard just as much bitching about the slow start of the novel as i have the fast start of the adaptation.

Do not read the comic. It was originally made by an artist who took the job solely for the money, which he admitted to. He also sucked at drawing.
The comic is being remade, but it's a bi-weakly release and the adaptation has already passed it.

>>280342451
>>280342500
>revival
it's Suicide Hunter and no amount of optics-motivated shifts will change its name in my mind.

>>280342422
Do not cite the Deep Magic to me, I was there when it was written.

Besides, I watch those in Chinese from Weibo. I'm interested on whose subs they are because I talk to the translators sometimes.

>>280317308
I watched the first episode and it made me feel like a retard. The pretty flashing lights looked good though.

>>280342422
>>280342451
>>280342509
Thanks for the recommendations, I will check them all out. If you have any others feel free to let me know,
I'm fine with Korean or Chinese works, I mentioned Manhua by name simply because it was a LOTM thread also because I am taking Chinese this upcoming semester so it might give me some material to practice reading with
My contention with watching the adaption is I like worldbuilding and dialogue between characters when written well so I'm not keen on the idea of fast forwarding through that, I don't mind being left with questions to be answered later on.

>>280342422
I know nyaa, I was there when it was made.
I wanted to know whose subs they were because I talk to various translators from time to time about fixes.

>>280342651
>My contention with watching the adaption is I like worldbuilding and dialogue between characters when written well so I'm not keen on the idea of fast forwarding through that, I don't mind being left with questions to be answered later on.
Then definitely read the novel.
The battles and stuff in LotM are generally pretty rare and good when they happen, but between that it's all character building and Death Note style thinking all their actions through monologuing. The anime adaption basically just fast forwarded through 75 chapters so it could have a fight early, and invented another so it'd have two in three episodes. Apparently it slows the fuck down from here but I'm hoping episode 4 onwards stops fucking it up.

>>280342651
>I like worldbuilding and dialogue between characters when written well so I'm not keen on the idea of fast forwarding through tha
There's another 9 episodes coming down the pipeline, the director had admitted he had conditions he had to meet for the adaptation (that involved slamming a lot of content into those first 3 episodes) so we're unsure of how the rest of the adaptation will look. Fingers crossed.

Why did he do it?

>>280343385
gargantuan spoiler

>>280342451
>SSS-class revival hunter
>good
KEEEEEEEEEK

>>280342201
The old manhua of LotM got axed and the new one had only just started and the donghua already passed it by episode 1.
Either stick to the donghua or read the novel version.

>>280343385
>monocle on left eye

>>280343385
I was a little disappointed that Lumien did not turn out to be Amon who sealed his own memories as I theorized very early on based on his "mischievousness" being quite similar to Amon. Though it turned out that I was both so close yet also so far from the actual answer.

>>280342451
I think Infinite Regressor is much better than SSS Suicider.

>>280343385
coi was shit

Can't wait for the next episode!

>>280317105 (OP)
>fixed episode 1 three times
>fixed episode 3 twice
>haven't even touched episode 2
What the fuck is Crunchyroll doing?

>>280352031
just wait for the EN dub

>>280352309
>EN dub
You're disgusting

>>280352385
Better than CN and makes more sense from a lore perspective too.

>>280352309
But what does that have to do with fixing episode 2? They've already fixed the other episodes multiple times.

>>280352618
Because unlike subs, a dub will actually be vetted.

>>280330658
Japan doesn't even know it exists. Though I have seen stuff like pic rel on western publications on my feed.

>>280317390
>>280324722
really the overnarration of the novel shares the same purpose as the "everyone is an ikemen" of the donghua

>>280323009
Rudi offends him too

>>280331515
I think western normalfags are going to love it more than /a/

Everyone talks up the novel like it's some masterpiece, but reading through a synopsis of it, it seems like your usual Chinese/Korean isekai-ish gameified powerwank slop. Like Solo Leveling, the world seems more like it's this videogame system for the protagonist to exploit and excell at rather than an actual living breathing Victorian Gothic Horror world full of dark mysteries and the occult.

>>280330694
My impression is that it fucked things up for viewers without a brain. Anyone who paid attention to the episode could tell most of what you're supposed to know by this point and that a lot o things aren't supposed to be answered by now.

>>280355919
you have to read it yourself to understand. i didn't get it at first either

>>280355973
Or I could just read an actual Lovecraft or Gothic Horror novel like Frankenstein than Chinese Isekaislop for teenagers.

>>280355919
>I disagree that it's a masterpiece because I read the synopsis and invented pure fiction in my head to dismiss it over
What was the point of this post? There's no video game mechanics and I don't think the synopsis would have even implied that.

>>280356198
The power system is extremely videogame-like. What the fuck are you talking about?

>>280356305
How so? Because it has rules and structure to it? Usually when people talk about video game mechanics it's shit like visible stats, otherwise you could reduce real life professions to a video game.

>>280356381
Because the progression, structure, and power acquisition is extremely videogame-like, like a skill tree in an Elder Scrolls game like Skyrim. And the entire point of the story about characters progressing through this skill tree to become gods.

>>280356381
It basically has classes (paths) with ranks/levels (sequences) attached to them. I wouldn't call it videogame-like though, it feels like something lifted from TTRPGs.

>>280356422
>it's videogame-like because it's videogame-like
?

>>280356440
Again, by that logic you could reduce real life to a video game where you start as a beginnier wagie and gain ranks to senior wagie and then manager and then branch manager etc. And that's just one "class", you can also choose the engineer "class" and similarly advance to senior engineer, head engineer etc. Retarded ass logic.

>>280356440
This is a better comparison. Thank you. It's like D&D classes almost, even down to the progression. When, the class system in D&D is meant to be an abstraction for the sake of turning a narrative into a game. It feels extremely janky in an actual narrative that's meant to have a believable world, and doubly so when said world is already operating like an Isekai as well. I really hate the way this feels and how it's presented, and it's why I raise an eyebrow at anyone calling this a "masterpiece" when it feels like your usual juvenile power fantasy.

>>280353850
>Chyna vs Corea
Didn't see that coming

>>280356488
You're not locked to one class IRL, you're also not required to do acquire certain items or triumph over someone else to "advance". Advancing in life is also a whole concept where the meaning will vary a lot between people.

>>280356513
>I really hate the way this feels and how it's presented
You literally said earlier that you didn't even read it and only got as far as the synopsis. What the fuck do you know about how it feels and is presented? The pathway system has lore behind it, they don't just exist for no reason.

>>280356550
So if there was an anime where the power system had stats and levels and classes but you could change classes and becoming stronger had no requirements besides experience and knowledge, you would argue that no longer counts as videogame-like?

Get real. There's a very obvious connotation that comes with calling something "videogame-like", and lotm isn't it.

>>280356488
Except real life doesn't function through a literal class system, with a structured and labeled progression. These mechanics in games are meant to be abstractions of real concepts in order to turn something that's organic into something more structured and gameified.

Like, look at how ACTUAL stories handle this stuff.

Drinking a potion to get powers isn't entirely original. Dune did it, but it made the acquisition of power something believable as it expressed how the water of life was a mind altering drugs that gave you prescient vision is you survived.

HxH has a system that's very structured and clearly inspired by games, but despite that, how people operate that system still feels organic as Hunters have to create their own powers, and the structure of the system is moreso an expression of your Hatsu that's been categorized. It feels natural and organic.

In LotM it's like, you drink this magic potion made of arbitrary ingredients that are supposed to be hard to find, but conveniently every alchemist seems to have them at hand, and this somehow sets you on this class system where once you've "leveled up" enough, you can do a class upgrade. It basically feels like the class system in Ragnarok Online. Choose a class, and progress through it, and everything upgrade you get new powers within your class, and at max level you are a literal god. Combined with the Isekai angle it REEKS of East Asian MMO addiction.

>>280356565
Yes yes, these epic gods are the ones who are behind the power system, blah blah blah, same retarded "deep" twist Solo Leveling has behind its lore as well.

>>280356649
>In LotM it's like, you drink this magic potion made of arbitrary ingredients that are supposed to be hard to find, but conveniently every alchemist seems to have them at hand
What is it with this sudden influx of people who didn't read the novel, even proudly admitting to this, while simultaneously arguing like they know everything about the novel and therefore are in a position to criticize it?

>>280356677
>doubling down on inventing fanfictions to argue against
You have a mental illness.

>>280356751
I'm questioning why you call it a masterpiece, and rather than expressing why it is, you say "just read it bro."

While I'm telling you why I'm not interested in reading what looks like Isekai power fantasy with a power system lifted out of a Korean MMO, just cause you slapped a Lovecraft coat of paint on it.

>>280356795
No you're not, you're repeatedly making up fake concepts and then shitting on the fake concepts you just made up, all while admitting you haven't read even a single page. I could drop spoilers to explain everything to you but you just come off as an intentional shitposter rather than someone who's genuinely curious.

>>280356821
>No you're not,
Yes I am >>280355919
Learn to fucking read.
You've done nothing to express why you believe this is a "masterpiece" when at first glance it reads like a genetic power fantasy.

>>280356871
Where was your question in that post? As I said, all you're doing it making things up in your head then unironically shitting on the thing you just made up. It's a mental illness.

>>280356905
You could tell me what makes this a masterpiece and not a generic power fantasy.

>>280356950
You quite literally never asked, and you've shown how disingenuous you are at this point that there's no point humoring you.

>>280356971
Suit yourself then.

>>280356987
you're the one who's missing out lol

>>280357000
I doubt he ever had any intention or interest in it to begin with.

>>280357000
Missing out on what? Chinese Isekai power wank? The first three episodes haven't exactly been "masterpiece" material.

>>280356649
I started reading it, it's ok. What I find a kind of funny is that the characters have to roleplay as their class in order to advance. The pacing is kind of slow. There's too much time spent on stuff like how the MC has to manage his finances to afford living necessities and potion materials.

>>280357122
>There's too much time spent on stuff like how the MC has to manage his finances to afford living necessities and potion materials.
that's literally half of what makes it worth reading zoomzoom

>>280357122
>why can't the MC just get everything done by having massive money at the beginning and also able to purchase anything he wants
You are why we have nonstop isekai system trash

>>280328541
>Roselle wrote clearly that bitches ain't shit but hoes and tricks
said the guy who fuck any hole including a man asshole

>>280357268
nothing wrong with the taste of a demoness

>>280352385
they canonically speak English, the second book is where they speak French

>>280357122
>There's too much time spent on stuff like how the MC has to manage his finances to afford living necessities and potion materials.
God I wish more isekai focus on the daily life of natives, exploring isekai world was the point of this genre.

>>280356649
>In LotM it's like, you drink this magic potion made of arbitrary ingredients that are supposed to be hard to find, but conveniently every alchemist seems to have them at hand

ACtually this system is based on the early 20th century and 19th century concept of eating something like bull testicles to make you more virile and TCM, that is traditional chinese medicine. It's all kind of explained in the story much, much later but since you are never going to read this story it goes something like this, god/s created mythical creatures X millenia ago and when you hunt and kill one you gain some of its powers by alchemical sublimation because these powers are of the god, and therefore contain a tiniest drop of god.

>>280357158
I have zero interest in it because I spend my whole fucking day looking at spreadsheets, and if I wanted to see something like it I would rather see the tables and do the math myself.

>>280356950
I think what makes LoTM stand out to me from the very generic isekai slop is power balance, the main character is walking on a razor-blade that gradually gets outlined more and more as the story advances and just having a lot of good characters with good interactions, and the main character is not retarded, this is very rare actually.

I have some meta problems with the webnovel, early on it can be a bit a slow at times, but the last 1/3rd of the entire work felt to me a bit rushed with major time skips, this is in sharp contrast with the earlier archs with a lot of detail.

>>280357537
Dunn's explanation at the beginning of the book suffices without spoilers. The creation myth is that everythinf in their world is supposed to come from the body of a creator god, and since all creatures are of the same origin, they can assimilate special characteristics of other species by eating them.

>>280357799
Well to be fair, at that point you would still think it's just a myth.

>>280357677
My issue, at a glance, is that this is presented as a cool gothic/cosmic horror story, and that's kinda what I'm interested in, but then it starts to give off generic Isekai power fantasy vibes which turns me off. I would preferred something more cool like Bloodborne, which is the comparison people often make, but this doesn't really feel like Bloodborne outside of certain aesthetic similarities.

Like, power fantasy kinda goes against the entire point of both cosmic and gothic horror. And the ladder like power system undermines those themes exactly like that. At least at a glance. Even if there are risks and whatnot, you know for a fact due to the nature of the story the protagonist will climb to the top by the end. And it also doesn't help that the way the protagonist is presented at the start also makes him extremely bland and uninteresting. Again, gothic horror is often deeply personal and character driven, with the external conflict often being complimentary to the internal turmoil the protagonist has and needs to resolve. Meanwhile with Klein it's just like "he wants to go home." But there's nothing else to him. No trauma to resolve. No darkness in his heart. No lie that he believes that's holding him back... I understand nothing meaningful about the MC, and mystery it not, I just don't have an anchor to the MC. And while in other stories, especially Isekai this is generally fine, this is supposed to be "gothic horror" right? So this is an important ingredient for the genre.

>>280357862
Are you an animeonly? Because he literally needs a therapist later on.

>>280356751
>What is it with this sudden influx of people who didn't read the novel, even proudly admitting to this, while simultaneously arguing like they know everything about the novel and therefore are in a position to criticize it?
Gook anti-shills. >>280353850

>>280357862
There are aspect of genuine cosmic horror, which are sparsely even if tastefully used but these are somewhat uncommon, this story does one thing well it is that you see ahead a little bit and you can guess what happens, but then the stakes escalate, this happens many times all the way to the end. The last archs of the story are where these things are most central to the story. Which at current rate of the anime is like episode 250 or some shit.

>you know for a fact due to the nature of the story the protagonist will climb to the top by the end.

desu if the protagonist shot himself successfully on sentence one of page one and the story ended after 5 word or so, i don't know if that's a good story.

>Bloodborne outside of certain aesthetic similarities.

The series's trappings and time is set in victorian england with some steampunk shit thrown in. But this is not blood borne, Eh maybe cosmic horror is a valid tag for this series but my tags in order of dominance would be slice of life, action, seinen, mystery, cosmic horror, comedy.

>>280357862
If you had read the novel and felt this way, you'd be somewhat justified. But you're blabbering all this stuff without really knowing anything about the series besides a 'synopsis'.

>the anime is so bad that it's making people assume the novel is overrated shit
Biggest fuck up of the year.

>>280358262
>this can be their AoT or One piece of China
>lmao fuck it we are making Tiktok edit

>>280353850
Jesus, why would SLfags or Gooks beefing with LOTM?

>>280356528
>The best of current day China vs One of the worst of current day Korea
Stupidest matchup that i have ever seen, who booked this crap?

bros, i have to come clean.
i agree with anon that lotm's power system is very gamey and coi reinforced that belief. its power system is genuinely not as good as many tout it as

>>280359533
eh, every power system ends up being gamey the more defined it gets
when there's a choice between free-form nonsense and gamey systems, I know what I am choosing

>>280359630
Nothing wrong with soft power systems. In fact, they tend to be better for occult and mystery stuff.

>>280359533
name 1 game where roleplaying is a requirement for becoming stronger

>>280359720
Oh boy, we can go a rather long list here if including tabletop games...

>>280359720
>roleplaying
so any game where you gain exp for a class/skill by doing things related to said class/skill? elin, mabinogi, runescape, etc.
cmon anon this stuff is pretty common in both rpgs and prog fantasy

>>280359825
Wrong, that's not roleplaying, that's simply exercising their abilities. Klein does not digest the seer potion by spamming divinations. Stop using words you don't understand.

>>280359720
>roleplaying
He wasn't roleplaying THOUGHbeit, he was an actual Seer. He could divine, he could see people's spirit bodies, he received prophetic visions and dreams. All classic seer stuff.

>>280359937
See the post above yours. It is an explicit plot point that merely using your powers isn't the right way to digest the potion. Digestion is about roleplaying, not grinding for exp like a video game.

>>280359630
LoTM doesn't know if it wants to be a hard magic system or a soft magic system. Flip flopping between both makes it worse than just sticking to one.

>>280317105 (OP)
Not anime

>>280356677
Retard.

>>280359967
>>280359902
It's irrelevant, he gets "class upgrades" by drinking a new potion mirroring the progression of every MMO ever. Rather than using potion as a way to unlock powers and modify your body, and then learning those abilities naturally and developing them as an extension of the mutations it did to your body like you would in most narratives and as if it were a real thing. It's completely arbitrary how he's suddenly just granted the power of divination too, you don't see him learning anything. It's just a sudden "now you can see spirit bodies and scry" as if he were an expert. Rather than "the potion altered your mind in these ways letting you do XYZ" theb the protagonist applying the general power to figure out he could do things LIKE scrying objects by making sense of how the power works.

Like, in Dune you understand what Prescience is because it's established earlier that Spice grants access to ancestral memories in females. So when you understand that through the genetic fuckery they did to Paul, spice would unlock the ability to see the future similar to the mentats and Navigators, it makes sense.

>>280359967
>Digestion is about roleplaying
...To grind for exp (digestion) and advance to the next level (sequence), like a video game. Klein goes from Sequence 3 Scholar of Yore to Sequence 2 Miracle Invoker (class advancement), and goes around granting impossible wishes (grinding) to full digest his potion (max out the exp bar) so he could advance to Sequence 1. Rituals are class change requirements and Potions are class change items.

>>280360186
You sound like an animeonly so I guess I won't spoil you and just tell you that you're wrong.

>>280360194
Again, name a single video game where roleplaying is exp that advances you. You don't understand the difference between using abilities and roleplaying as the potion name, which is literally an important part of the lore to the point where this is considered secret knowledge and why the average beyonder spends years "grinding" their abilities to digest one potion whereas people who know the acting method only take months at a time.

>>280360194
You grind for exp (literal job experience) and advance to the next level (up the corporate ladder), like a video game. A worker goes from senior member to team leader (class advancement), and goes around completing projects with his team (grinding) to complete the quotas (max out the exp bar) so he could advance to CEO one day. Job applications and promotions are class change mechanics.
Real life is gamey.

>>280360186
>he gets "class upgrades" by drinking a new potion mirroring the progression of every MMO ever. Rather than using potion as a way to unlock powers and modify your body,
>It's completely arbitrary how he's suddenly just granted the power of divination, you don't see him learning anything.
>He doesn't know

>>280360186
>It's completely arbitrary how he's suddenly just granted the power of divination too, you don't see him learning anything.
This is the anime being shit and cutting content. The seer potion grants Klein the ability to use rituals but he needed to learn them from Neil.

>>280360277
Exactly. Advancement like this is contrived and artificial, not something that organically develops. This progression is sensible in human society and video games - artificial, human-made constructs that do not pretend to be anything else - it's not so sensible as the natural magic system of a world. Too gamey.

>>280360419
It's not artificial and I can tell you why but it's a spoiler and you're clearly animeonly.

>>280360428
Nah it's super artificial. The Original Creator was frothing, contradictory chaos like Azathoth. It, a transcendental eldritch deity, arranging the universe to act like gamelit cultivationslop is contrived, gamey nonsense.

>>280360419
There are some tidbits about the biological and psychological impacts of said potions, so it's not like someone cannot try to circumvent the system, it's just highly likely they will die or go insane trying do so but a few have done it. Like an extreme version of mixing certain drugs with casino odds of hitting a jackpot and coming out of it as a winner.

>>280360567
So you did read the novel but didn't understand any of it? Sad. Spoiler tags for animeonlys

It is explicitly mentioned that in the beginning the potion system was all trial and error, with people paying for mistakes with their lives. Eventually, the system was perfected and structured in a way to allow for the highest rate of advancing on the pathways. Technically, the current system doesn't need to be followed to advance, it's just that everyone follows it because it's the best method that exists. You are making an argument equivalent to saying mathematics is videogamey because it's such an artificial human-made way of understanding the world and logic.

>>280356528
They don't like each other either

>>280360615
NTA, but it still doesn't make sense to me how he suddenly gets a bunch of powers arbitrarily grouped to a class, or how certain class upgrades grant you powers that only make sense as part of the progression if you think of it as a videogame. Like how do you go from Divination, to Shapeshifting, to Puppetry and Reality Manipulation within the same pathway? It's nonsense and only makes sense as a video game class system.

>>280360969
It is LITERALLY explained in the novel.

Too much of a single domain in a single entity causes instability (like how the original creator blew up) so the most stable and effective method for establishing the pathways is to have them contain minor aspects of other domains as well for balance. This is why the seer pathway has aspects of fate, but it is not its main focus, as well has having some minor fire control at sequence 7 that never goes anywhere. All pathways are aspects of the original creator and the potion system is designed to assimilate as much of his power as possible without either blowing up (losing control) or later on having your personality/mind taken over by him once you accumulate enough characteristic at high sequences.

>>280361058
That doesn't explain how the next class progression from Seer which gives you divination powers, upgrades to Clown, which gives you Physical Enhancements, Paper Daggers, and Enhanced Balance, and how the sequence after that, upgrades to Magician, which gives you Shapeshifting, Enhanced Dexterity, and Bone Softening, up to Sequence 4, Bizarro Sorcerer where you get Illusions and reality manipulation, and the final Sequence, the Fool you get Omniscience, Omnipresence, and Ultimate Reality Manipulation.

This reads EXACTLY like an MMO class upgrade progression. Or D&D level system. It's completely arbitrary in terms of power only unified by "clown/mystic" theme.
>Oh I chose the clown class so at first I get basic bitch Divination powers, then I get cool clown powers like Rubber Bones and Paper Weapons, then I get Illusions and at higher levels I get miracle creation because actually this is an Isekai, I'm the MC, and my seemingly weak class is actually the most OP.
I've heard all this shit before.

>>280361058
>so the most stable and effective method for establishing the pathways is to have them contain minor aspects of other domains as well for balance.

This doesn't explain anything. Humans developed the potion system but not the specifics of how characteristics work. A sequence 7 seer characteristic still gives flame control powers regardless if you swallowed it whole or consumed it properly through a potion or turned it into a sealed artifact. Did all his characteristics get tainted with stuff from other domains when the creator blew up, and thats why the pathway has random aspects from other pathways? Humans, gods, or even great old ones couldnt have done it since characteristics are supposed to be immutable.

>>280361159
>the most OP
>he doesn't know monocles
I pity secondaries

>>280361165
It was trial-and-error, as most experimentation stuff goes.

>>280361159
Upgrade from Divination to Omniscience/Omnipresence makes sense to me desu

>>280361194
Omniscience, yes. Because again, that's like Dune Prescience. But not Omnipresence, and definitely not all the other shit in between. It's like, what is the potion doing exactly? Nothing, it's just s Mcguffin for a class upgrade.

They literally could have exchanged it with a typical class system like D&D or most MMOs and nothing would have changed.

>>280361159
Did you just ignore my entire post? I straight up told you why there are various powers in pathways.

>>280361165
Did you know that steel is made by mixing mostly iron with minute amounts of carbon? Why is it like that? Why is 100% iron or 100% carbon worse than the specific composition of steel? That's just how the law of the universe is, and the potion system is alchemy aka biochemical engineering to determine the most stable form of beyonder characteristic; instead of 100% magician, the strongest, stablest and best way to manufacture a potion/characteristic is 95% seer 5% hunter or whatever. Sealed artifacts are created from beyonders who consumed stable potions and lost control for some reason and therefore the characteristic created by that established formula also gives the same powers to the artifact OR they can also be formed by retarded beyonders who mixed characteristics and created more dangerous artifacts with worse negative effects, reflecting how you're generally not supposed to mix pathways.

>>280361219
>They literally could have exchanged it with a typical class system like D&D or most MMOs and nothing would have changed.
It would be less cool

>>280361159
>when a character becomes more powerful they get more powerful
>this is bad
insightful

>>280361279
>That's just how the law of the universe is
And theyre saying these laws make the world work like a lame mmo where classes give disjointed powers. Air cannon is totally unrelated to the fool pathways authority over fate change and history. And sealed artifacts can be directly made by artisans and they only need the characteristic itself to make it. Abilities like flaming jump and air cannon arent because of contaminants meant to stabilize the characteristic, theyre intrinsic parts of it that are not added in the potion process. A potion formula could only change how your body reacts to a characteristic not change how the characteristic works.

>>280361418
And you're fucking retarded for making this argument and I regret ever wasting time on you. I even gave you a real life equivalent analogy of this. You are literally suggesting that the invention of steel is video game slop because the scientific laws of the universe are somehow unnatural. There's crafting in video games where you can craft ingots from ores, which means crafting metals and alloys in real life is like a video game, and not the other way around, amirite dumbfuck? Forget the lore arguments, you're too stupid to even understand something this fundamental.

>>280361463
>scientific laws of the universe say shooting air bullets is the natural progression of divination powers
Yeah Its bullshit video game slop.

>>280361512
Do I really need to hold your hand through this like the 80 IQ retarded child that you are? Just like how in real life the best metals are composite alloys, so too are the best ways to create potions in lotm being composites of different characteristics/domains. You can use pure iron over steel if you want, just like how you can use a pure domain in your potion if you want, but it's going to be worse than what humans have discovered and patented over our long history. If you still don't get it after this point then you have more to worry about than fictional novel lore, like how you're too stupid to get far in life.

>>280361287
How Fate handles power progression
>Shirou knows projection magic, which at the start only lets him reinforce objects he touches so they're stronger by channelling his magic into them. It also gives him the power to create a mental model of any object or machine down to the smallest detail.

>Later on, through lots of effort and NY watching Archer do it, he's able to construct swords from basically nothing. But they are cheap imitations.

>Toward the end, he's able to create copies of even Noble Phantasms because he's that good at it.

Simple, clear, understandable. Makes sense as a natural profession of the power does, and how it works is explained in detail.

If Fate handles power progression like LotM
>Shirou knows Projection Magic that lets him enhance objects.
>But actually, it's part of the Blacksmith class so he can also forge objects from thin air
>Then, when he performs the sex ritual with Rin, he upgrades his class, he's now Artificer, he can now create fully autonomous mechanical constructs, and he can Transmute Physical matter like Edward Eric
>Once he adapts, he can fuck Rin again, and this will upgrade his class to the next stage, Magnet Magician, here, he gains the power of magnets, so he can control all metal with his mind and turn it into whatever he wants, also because Magnets he can now levitate, and shoot lightning
>At Stage 6 he gains the power to create black Holes and distort space-time creating portals, and his gravity powers upgrade, also because his initial power had a mental aspect and he's no a Sorcerer of Yore, his class also gives him the power to see past present and future
>At the final step, he's literally god

It's stupid.

>>280361608
I wonder how you have such an odd mix of knowing pathway abilities yet seem to know nothing about the underlying lore. Are you just reading the powers on a wiki and shitposting off that?

>>280361535
Im not talking about potions retard Im talking about characteristics. Air cannon and flaming jump was a part of the seer pathway before potions were ever a thing. Why does the pathway progress from divination to physical enhancement to shapeshifting to reality manipulation to omnipresence when none of this is related before potions entered the picture? Its arbitrary video game progression unrelated to the authorities of the pathway. The only unifying theme is "lol clown shit". No natural system develops like that.

>>280361656
>Air cannon and flaming jump was a part of the seer pathway before potions were ever a thing.
Source?

>>280361669
Maybe read the novel? When audrey sent in that sequence 6 seer characteristic to the artisan to turn it into the mask sealed artifact the artifact gave her the power to control flames independently of any potion. That power is intrinsic to the characteristic and not given by a potion. Law of beyonder characteristics indestructibility says characteristics cannot be changed destroyed or reduced.

Not even gonna give that retard a (you) because he's obviously baiting, but the LoTM system goes from hard magic at the beginning to soft magic at the end. All the sequences up to even 1-2 are more or less very, very watered down party tricks of an outer god's power. Comparing potions to classes isn't even that wrong - they are are a system made by the ASG to more easily let people cultivate. In the end, what powers the higher sequence potions give is irrelevant - the god of that pathway could just totally change them around. It's just a means of starting from an infinitesimaly small portion of an outer god's authority and going up from there.

>>280361608
>Later on, through lots of effort and NY watching Archer do it, he's able to construct swords from basically nothing. But they are cheap imitations.
He could do it right from the start. In fact, it's the other way around - it's from his inherent affinity to project stuff that he had learned to do reinforcement. He knew how to project objects from the start, he was simply wrongly told it's useless so he focused only on reinforcement.
Events of Fate took place over only a couple of weeks. The magical training you see him go through is mostly pointless, and Rin says as much.
There was no actual progression there. If you told Shirou that he could analyse NPs and project them on the very first day, and he tried to in the right mindset - he'd succeed.
But sure, on a bigger scale Fate's system of magic can still work in the sense you're talking about: you train hard and figure out how to work best with the talents you've got. That's because magecraft is learning based. It's internal and revolves around studying.
LotM's power system is external, you rely on getting something that isn't inherent to you and making its powers your own. You are arguing that it's bad because it gives you video-game vibes and refuse to see past that. Even if we assume that yes, sure, let's say that it is kind of video-gamey, but there are reasonable in-universe explanations for why things are they way they are, and it's not like there are status windows and actual levels, it is given sufficient coating that matches the vibe of the universe.

>Comparing potions to classes isn't even that wrong - they are are a system made by the ASG to more easily let people cultivate.
So it is video game cultivationshit, understood

>>280361807
>LotM's power system is external
As is every chink power fantasy slop where the protagonist is a literal god by the end.

That's definitely not what I was signing up for in a story called "Lord of the MYSTERIES" which is set in not-London in the Victorian era, and borrows language and concepts from H.P. Lovecraft freely.

>>280361734
I already explained this and you're proving beyond doubt that you're either not reading my posts or you have brain damage and cannot understand my words. Do you think that characteristic was created in year zero of the universe, rather than coming from a modern person who followed the potion system and therefore has a characteristic which contains composite powers? You're absurdly retarded.

>Law of beyonder characteristics indestructibility says characteristics cannot be changed destroyed or reduced.
The characteristic always reforms because it is a stable creation that was discovered by humans through trial and error. It is precisely because it is composite and therefore stable that it reforms (due to law of beyonder characteristics convergence), because the opposite is being pure or unstable. Just like how there's one recipe for steel and everything else is pig iron, there's one recipe for stable potions and the resulting beyonder characteristics, as per the laws of nature in the lotm world, and humans discovered it through alchemy, trial and error just like how medicine is invented in real life. Maybe a more simple example for a retard like you is like how water is made from combining 2 different elements, hydrogen and oxygen, which is the thing we all love and enjoy and is not pure hydrogen or pure oxygen and is also naturally occurring thanks to the laws of nature.

>>280361847
Is every possible story involving power progression of a character to a high enough level - always a power fantasy?

>>280361926
If progressing through the power system to ascend to godhood is the primary purpose of most characters, yes.

>>280361945
But why?

>>280361951
Is this a real question?

Honestly, I think the main thing that makes people drop this isn't the breakneck pacing, or even the earrape mandarin.

I think it's that fucking aspect ratio, what the fuck.

>>280361966
Yes. Please provide an answer that does involve words "video game" or "slop".

>>280361872
>outright making shit up to save himself from embarrassment
Characteristics are not the creations of humans retard. Only potions are. Characteristics always existed alongside the creator. Please read the novel before you comment in these threads.

>>280361973
>How is a story when the main goal of the characters and the plot revolves around progressing through a power system in order to become stronger and eventually be a literal deity a power fantasy?
I mean, idk, you tell me.

>>280361996
>No but you see it's actually Le epic gods who made the power system so humans can become deities too!! That's why it's so structured and game-like!
Seen this before....

>>280361996
I said potions were human creations, you utter retard. Potions are the method of gathering characteristics from nature and making them suitable for consumption to produce a beyonder who reflects that characteristic. That's why rainbow salamanders aren't mindfucking everyone and able to talk like Susie. Mythical creatures/plants only contain bits of a domain's characteristics, and a final stable beyonder characteristic in the form of a potion is created by humans. Even the original creator isn't a lump of sequence characteristics, he literally created everything from exploding, and that's why beyonders need to gather those little bits of everything and make a potion out of them. You're so retarded.

>>280362024
You could add stuff around this progression.
Like the reason a character advances in power is to go home, or prevent an apocalypse. And the further they go, the more they have to suffer for their gains, and less human they seem. Now this doesn't really feel like a power fantasy. Who would fantasise about becoming an eldritch abomination clinging to its humanity?

>>280362092
>You don't understand, I had to SUFFER for my power...
Said every power fantasy MC ever.

>>280362116
What? Power fantasy MCs are about having a carefree life where they dominate everything and live happily ever after with their harem of 10+ women. You're just shitposting now.

>>280362092
Is the only way you can write a story about the desperate struggle to retain your humanity while transforming into what is effectively a monster, is to inject some lame Isekai power system that's structured like a videogame and the goals of everyone is to get stronger going through it? Especially set in Victorian London.

Just look at how Bloodborne handheld the exact same idea as an example. It was the pursuit of knowledge that was their own undoing. A desire for immortality. And a curiously of the dark mysteries of the unknown. The internal struggle between man and monster is at the heart of Gothic Horror, just look at Frankenstein. You could have had a protagonist who was literally cursed, or presented the power as something more subtle, secret, abd esoteric that people didn't fully understand like the Old Blood in Bloodborne that seemed to be miraculous, only to have that backfire horrifically.

Look at FMA and Alchemy as another example in Shounen.

No, instead we get an MMO class system where the goal is to climb the ladder and get stronger like some corporate big man, but it's dresses in the occult and esoteric, and is "Le subversive bro."

It's especially irritating because every goddamn person compares this stupid book to Lovecraft, Fate, and Bloodborne. And it's like, fuck no it's not.

I am still not sure if this is an isekai story, as in, the MC is transported to another world and receives a perk that gives him an edge, or cultivation autism and the smoke shit is his special thing that helps him
But what I didnt grasp yet is, if the MC is from earth, how come he knows the history and geography of this world so well? Did he merge memories with klein?

>>280362209
>Did he merge memories with klein?
yes

>>280362209
>I am still not sure if this is an isekai story, as in, the MC is transported to another world and receives a perk that gives him an edge, or cultivation autism and the smoke shit is his special thing that helps him
It's both.

>Did he merge memories with klein?
Yes

Also, the MC got Isekai-ed into the future. The plot twist is Planet of the Apes.

>>280362209
yes, he inherited his memories
the anime represented this by just showing the braincells lighting up, because they really needed to save those 2-3 seconds for the long ass dream chase tiktok aura farming scene

>>280362221
>>280362219
thanks
What about the intro sequence with the doomsday shit?

>shitposter half-reads the wiki then spends all thread writing bullshit out of his ass and dropping spoilers onto animeonlys
mental illness

>>280362170
No, it's not the only way, but it is the way the writer wanted to use.
You are arguing that it's inherently bad because you're too hung up on comparing it to MMO class systems. You are poisoned by past experiences with isekai and status menus.
I am arguing that it's fine. It's not "le subversive", it's just suitable dressing for the setting, adapting external power progression to the overall vibe. That's... a good thing? There was an effort put into the power system, it wasn't jarring or anything. Why would this be a negative point?
It's wrong to call it a masterpiece, I agree, but the end result is decent. Good, even.

Man talk about retarded pacing
They are dropping shit onto the viewer without elaborating SHIT
Thank god I can see Mt.Tai and I am used to chinese breakneck speed at storytelling otherwise I would drop this at the first
>Is this real or not?
Sequence

>>280362244
it was just a teaser of the final fight of volume 1 which will be the final fight of this anime season

I still don't understand why this fag focus on the video game class as if it's not the norm for every anime/manga story, every MC get classified as DPS,Tank and Support.

>>280362330
He's clearly just making up excuses to shit on the series. It's SEA hours so it's probably some butthurt thirdie that's bullied by China.

>borrowing western things, such as tarot is... le bad

>>280362448
unironically correct

>just learned LOTM takes inspiration from Cultist Simulator
We could have had Corrivality kino but we got Twilight Giant and Red Priest instead. Sad!

>>280362448
I never saw people complain about tarot in Jojo, I wonder why only MOTM get nitpicking

>>280362170
This is literally the only thread I've ever seen people compare LotM to Fate, as far as I can recall anyway.

>>280362448
I personally love how when eastern works take western mysticism and incorporate it into their stories.

Fixed episode 2 when?

>>280362286
I mean, this is the most honest thing I've heard about this thus far, and it's the sort of thing I wish more people would say more openly front and center isntead of constatly proclaiming it as this awesome masterpiece that feels like Lovecraft and Bloodborne (which is an ACTUAL masterpiece).

As someone who's a huge fan of that game, I go into this expecting that, get hit with incomprehensible stuff about weird nonsense with an uninteresting MC, and looking more deeply into the story and power system it reads like Cultivationshit or Isekai power wank like Solo Levelling. If people are into that, then that's fine, but everyone goes "no no, trust me it's super good!!"

Now as for the power system and its merits. Look, in fiction, the type of power system you utilize makes a big difference for the feeling and aesthetic of the setting. One of the huge advantages of soft power systems is that it makes Magic feel more mysterious, which ideal for an occult and dark setting. To me, a rigid and well understoof power system like this comes off feeling more like an RPG rather than anything suitable for this setting. Hell, even the CoC TTRPGs make a fine point of expressing magic in very vague ways despite it being something that's meant to be a game mechanic. Then when the point of your story is to progress through the power system like a ladder, then it runs contrary to what is ideal for these genres. Could you write it like that? I guess, but going into it based off hearsay and first impressions it's not what I was expecting and I can definitely say I'm disappointed.

>>280362330
This isn't true at all. Only bad anime and manga do that. FMA, HxH, Fate, JJK, etc... do not do that.

>>280363321
>One of the huge advantages of soft power systems is that it makes Magic feel more mysterious, which ideal for an occult and dark setting
There's a problem with any soft magic systems in that they are difficult to explore from within. When they are present, it is usually represented via a side character who never elaborates how they do stuff. When you center the story around a character exploring implementation of powers and their background lore, it inevitably becomes a hard system in some way just by finding limits and definitions.
In the end, I think it's just a matter of personal preference. But I simply can't accept equating LotM to Solo Leveling.
Let's just agree to disagree and leave it at that.

>>280363628
>they are difficult to explore from within
But that's exactly my point. Why write a story that's about people competing to become stronger through a strictly defined "survival of the fittest" type power system, when the very nature of that runs completely contrary to the conventions and expectations of the setting, themes and genre you're borrowing from. The study feels at odds with itself, and regardless of how much effort has been put forth, it makes the story feel more juvenile and like it really doesn't understand Horror, the Occult, or Mystery all that much. Which is exactly why the power system, which in this case winds up being the entire point of the story, winds up feeling like a videogame or MMO system. Even if there's lore rationalizations for it. This is doubly so given the Isekai stuff, and what a poor job the anime does at explaining anything just to have the MC aura farm.

Yes, the argument is easily made "that's what the author wanted to do" sure. But if the expressed goal of the story is to explore the nature of the pursuit of power, and how that can drive you mad as you struggle to retain your humanity as you wrestle with becoming a monster... I feel like within the genre, at least what it appears to be on the surface, Gothic Horror, the are much better ways to do that WITHOUT doing Isekai and Without doing a game-like hard magic power system.

Maybe the story is really really good, but upon first impressions and at a glance, it really doesn't do much to make itself stand out from every other Asian power fantasy often seen in Manhua.

>>280353850
>Shadow Slave anime released
>LotM and SL fanbows start to reviewbomb it
>Russia retaliates and bombs China and Worst Korea directly
>MFW WW3 started because of TikTok aurafarmers

>>280363920
Lmao