What was Miura thinking when he made this character?

rape

He was thinking of things that rhyme with ape.

fun things are fun

>>280339799 (OP)
the devil

I don't know why but i've always loved how miura drew his hands in this page

>>280340143
I almost don't get offended by the amount of rapes in Miura's manga.
He keeps showing rape scene every 5 seconds it almost feels like comedy at that point.

>watching merphy napier video about berserk
>she is the part where we see the dead bodies with the stigma down at griffith's torture tower

>"what happened I don't understand the lore, I want to know!"

tsk tsk, we will never know because miura's heart exploded

>>280339799 (OP)
>Wyald
>is Wild

>>280339799 (OP)
Wyald is Wyalding

he got the most ass and tits out of any character
plus that hot farm girl cunny

People say he’s unnecessary but I disagree. He gives the band of Hawk a little glimpse of the depravity and horror they’ll face during the eclipse. Zodd doesn’t convey the same pure evil Wyald does. He has some sense of honor

>>280340574
I agree, imagine seeing like 400 wyalds, the fuck do you do

>>280340038
Definitely rape.

Berserk does have a lot of eape now that I think about it.

>>280340957
>now that I think about it.
You only noticed now?

>>280340957
Huh I never realized...Berserk is kind of violent at times isn't it?

To enjoy and to excite!

>>280339799 (OP)
"I want to make a cool villain that threatens the Band of the Hawk effectively and provides the reader with a nice contrast to the Eclipse by making them think that Guts, Casca and the rest of the Band can get out of this somewhat unscathed"

>>280339799 (OP)
with his dick as always

>>280339799 (OP)
That was back when Miura had that youthful boundless edge and creativity which fuzzled out shortly after Convinction until he completely did a 180 due to age and softening up and couldn't commit to Berserk's all-out grimdark world and fucked it all up.

>>280339799 (OP)
Projecting his inner desires. Which were to rape.

>>280340574
But wouldn't the flip side of that be: having Zodd be the only supernatural being they face sets the Eclipse up better while Wyald ruins the buildup? Hence why the Eclipse is 100x better in the 97 anime due to no Wyald.

>>280339799 (OP)
10 rapes a second

>>280343611
>Hence why the Eclipse is 100x better in the 97 anime due to no Wyald.
I completely disagree. As someone who watched the '97 anime first, I was completely dumbfounded by the Eclipse and almost ragequit when it happened. Having no buildup whatsoever is actually not a good thing. '97 is much too light on the monsters and then it just suddenly turns into a demonfest with only Zodd from like episode 3 as 'foreshadowing'? Nah.

>>280339799 (OP)
Is Berserk the only manga with rape scenes that are actually shown not just implied?
If you found some name them, it's for a good cause.

>>280343585
Let's be real here, guy would've definitely raped an underage girl if he knew he could get away with it. Kinda sad that he died and his desires were never fulfilled, shit world we live in.

>>280340143
Beautiful art, true.

>>280343578
In a very morbid perspective, it's a pity he didn't die sooner. Elf island and Falconia were a disaster for the tone.

>>280339799 (OP)
epar

>>280339799 (OP)
Black representation in his manga

>>280343954
They were fine, the problem was he took years just to draw a couple of chapters. Casca's penis dream was kino, the Skull Knight flashback was cool, and the destruction of Elfhelm would've been epic. But obviously his heart wasn't in drawing Berserk anymore.

he monke

>>280343798
I'm not going to jump the gun and say that he would have. That would be disrespectful and presumptuous. But did he enjoy it? Absolutly. Did he fantasise about doing it? Almost certainly.

>>280341519
is that so?

>>280339799 (OP)
He wanted the "I can fix him" audience.

>>280339799 (OP)
Lemme guess, you saw a youtube video about it
You fucking faggot

>>280343696
Not by a longshot. Though I don't actively pursue rape manga, so only Murcielago and Goblin Slayer come to mind.

>>280340573
I still feel bad for that girl. You help out a bunch of strangers and as a result you and your family are raped, killed, and then sent to the abyss to suffer for eternity. That has to be one of the biggest fuck yous I've seen in a manga.

>>280340143
RAPE

Probably this old adaptation of dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde, just a guess tho

>>280345918
>then sent to the abyss to suffer for eternity
they weren't branded though

>>280340243
Berserk doesn't have that much rape.
You niggers haven't read the actual edgy shit that has no real substance besides edge and shock value

>>280340243
Berserk only has like 3 actual rape scenes
>Guts getting raped
>Farm girl getting raped
>Eclipse
>Casca almost raped by Wyald doesn't count
>Farnese almost raped by horse doesn't count

>>280343611
I disagree because killing Wyald and the effort it took to do that not only sets up the threat of all the demons in the eclipse but also demonstrates just how difficult it is to kill a demon at all and the fact that Guts becomes so good at it later really increases the stakes and makes you appreciate the difficulty of it all. Especially when he technically doesn't even kill Wyald

>>280346907
You forgot Charlotte getting raped

>>280347113
another almost so it doesn't count I guess

I love Ubel Blatt for ripping off Berserk in the first 3 chapters
A rapeoff, if you will

>>280343954
I'm not sure about that, but it's a shame he took so fucking long to crank out chapters. He really probably could have afforded to trim some of it down. Rereading it now and it sorta feels like Guts falls off pretty hard during the troll arc and is just going with the flow. In general after conviction arc I think he should have dramatically accelerated things to push the story along, more chapters in a row showing Griffith's story just to move things faster. Guts getting the berserker armor is cool and absolutely necessary but also was it really necessary to have so many chapters and IRL years spent on the stupid boat arc? It's crazy when Miura apparently thought the story wasn't even barely halfway told where he died. We can do our best to wargame out what probably would have happened, but beyond cool stuff like Guts probably fighting that dragon we see in one page and giving Dragonslayer it's namesake, the only thing else we can assume will happen is Guts and his crew sneaking into Falconia to kill Griffith, probably having some kind of warm up miniboss fights before a final climactic fight between Guts and Griffith to get Casca back where honestly anything could happen. Guts could die, Griffith could die, Casca could die, some combo of them could die, who knows. It's all a shame though, and all because Miura drug he feet on the story telling

>>280339799 (OP)
Wyald did not deserve to be killed by Zod, who is a piece of fucking shit rat to the God hand

>>280341519
>>280344691
I mean not really, it's mostly adventuring, loli fanservice, and comedy, it just has exceptionally good action sequences.

>>280344402
I think he might've been okay wrapping up Berserk in a big war, where the bigger emphasis would be on tactics like we saw with Doldrey and Ganishka. He still knew the characters better than anyone and would've made the storybeats feel more meaningful than what we've got, not to say I'm not glad they're at least doing it.

>>280347245
I think it's fine because having Guts just jump into successful demon killing on his first try is kinda extremely lame. It also makes it more believable and incredible that he did all that he did as just a man and it still wasn't enough

>>280346981
The threat is self-evident, having the entire band be picked off one by one should be proof enough of that. When the eclipse happens in the anime you know they're fucked as soon as the sacrifice begins, this reasoning is cope
>>280343677
There is buildup in terms of stuff like Zodd foreshadowing it, the mini-bloodbath Rickert escapes, the visions Griffith has in prison, etc. Wyald is just overkill and blows the wad too early for it to be as effective as it would be without him

>>280347345
>Zodd foreshadowing it
If it happens almost 20 episodes + a timeskip earlier, that's not sufficient "foreshadowing" and all the other stuff isn't either

>>280339799 (OP)
You just watched her video didn't you?

>>280347345
Having the threat just be "self evident" is vapid vs the appreciation of knowing what each of those demons are capable of. Name dropping some fucking whizbang whoha scary monsters is super easy to do. Giving the reader actual visceral dread for the main characters upon seeing these monsters is hard. Zodd tossing Guts and Griffith around is nothing compared to what Wyald did to everyone and how crazy Guts had to get just to knock him out. 100 Wyalds showing up afterwards means a lot more when you know what 1 Wyald can do. Having 100 Wyalds show up and just being told they are pretty heckin strong guyzz is lame

>>280345244
>>280347448
Out of curiosity. Does the femoid in said video show her true womanly colors and fantasize about being one of Wylad's playthings or does she pretend to find it distasteful and complain about it?

>>280347448
so did you

>>280347570
The Wyald arc has been the object of feminist online anime discourse fixation for years. Once again they're just pearl clutching about rape and how it must never be depicted

>>280347619
since fucking when?

>>280347427
Why isn't all of what I said sufficient? The rest occur pretty close to the eclipse, as does Skull Knight if we're talking about the manga. An eclipse-lite absolutely isn't necessary just for establishment purposes.
>>280347500
I see what you're saying but dropping Wyald and his cronies into the story to give Guts a mini-boss before the real shit begins comes off honestly just as tacked on, even moreso because as I've established the eclipse is set up in a variety of other (but more subtle) ways. The visceral dread still remains and is even amplified without the Wyald arc, talk to anyone who watched the anime first and they'll attest to that.

>>280347653
It was huge discourse on Twitter in like 2022

>>280347653
Who knows? Who gives a shit about feminist "discourse"

>>280347619
Boring. I won't bother even trying to it then. I bet there are some woman out there who enjoy this arc for depraved reasons and it'd be funny to hear from one who does.

>>280347684
lol
lmao

>>280347570
>or does she pretend to find it distasteful and complain about it?
Correct. She practically said she is ok with rape being portrayed as long as it's from the POV of the victim, woman moment.

>>280347667
>The visceral dread still remains and is even amplified without the Wyald arc, talk to anyone who watched the anime first and they'll attest to that.
No it does not. I did watch the anime first and, like I said, there is NO sense of visceral demonic dread going into the Eclipse. In the '97 anime, the Eclipse is jarring, completely out of place and insufficiently foreshadowed even with Griffith's visions and even with Rosine showing up (which is just like... OK, there's a fairy, who cares?). You only think it was better because you have the manga as a frame of reference and take the Wyald scene for granted. It's necessary.

>>280347719
The one chick who does fanart of him feels that way.

>>280347619
Ahh westerners and their platitudes, most of them use linear logic based off the pre-existing memes in their culture war nonsense. The beauty of "edge" is seeing things you wouldn't normally see in your everyday life, but there is also a catharsis in seeing the absolute worst come to life in Berserk, because Wyald gets his just desserts.

>>280347761
this nonexistent video sounds more entetaining than it would actually be

>>280347778
>there is NO sense of visceral demonic dread going into the Eclipse
Not sure what to tell you other than that you're the exception to the rule here. Also not sure why you'd presume my reasoning for preferring one over the other besides my stated impressions of what works better narratively, but go off king

>>280347319
I'm saying Wyald should've been spared. He was strong as fuck. Zod was sperging out for no reason.

Like yeah if zod is #1 then Wyald is something like 4, 5 on the tier list, below the "dragons". One of the best demons ever.

>gleeful hedonistic savage
>collected authoritative figure with no empathy
which makes for better villains?

>>280347848
Because it's easy to say "the anime did this better!" when you know what actually happens in the manga first. I don't think I'm an exception to the rule, I think most people who have a problem with the Wyald scene are concern trolls who already went into reading Berserk in bad faith, not people who watched the anime first and liked it better. Everyone I have talked to who watched the anime was like "it was good and pretty grounded but what the fuck was that Eclipse shit at the end? so random lol".

>>280347921
yes
>>280347917
we needed more brutal raping

>>280347782
Sauce?

I think Wyald and his dogs is fine because it's an adequate response to Griffith escaping (there's real consequences to breaking him out)
And segues nicely, as others have said, into eclipse.

But most of all its about pushing on punishment and stress for the band, that feeling that they're almost done with this horrible predicament and done with the chase only to rug pull once again

>>280339799 (OP)
>this Dirlewanger guy is pretty fucked up
>better add him to my manga and make him a monkey

>>280347570
Except every top female romance fantasy novel is a rape novel? When will you learn to not give a fuck about what a woman says? It's always a double speak when they open their mouths, a shit test, to filter out males who kowtow when they really mean they want to be ravaged. THE BEAR is a a Canadian national award winning book. The book about a woman wanting to be torn up and ravaged by a bear.

>>280347989
just look up rule34xxx and type in wyald
it's the one with the donutsteel oc

>>280339799 (OP)
>Casca calls Guts a mad dog
>He actually had to beat a mad dog
Kino.

>>280348011
The dangerous barbarity lurking in the hearts of man being given absurd power and freedom makes for a good story yeah

Wyald just using a big club to batter his enemies is great visual storytelling
Its imagery that has always been present with man

>>280347928
I didn't know what happens in the manga first though, the 97 was my introduction to Berserk. Are you now gonna adjust your argument so that it lines up with my experience?

>>280347846
4chan hating apart, it's a decent channel and her points are mostly understandable. The only disagreement I've had with her is this problem she has with how rape is portrayed in Berserk, which to me is a very waman take.

She even completely demolished Attack on Titan's ending which was funny considering the redditors who still insist on saying it's good were trying to gaslight her into liking it until the last video.

This is the video I was referring to, she brings it up around the Wyalds part of the story, but she also said some bullshit about Griffith and Charlotte.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yKLKYC1wqlQ

>inb4 muh youtubefaggotry
You are correct and I apologize.

>>280348108
No, maybe you just have bad taste and that can't be argued with.

>>280340038
fpbp

>>280348013
Notice how I said "pretend" in regards to finding rape distasteful. I know how they are. I am also aware of my country's literary renown. The reason that book even won the award that is responsible for its notoriety is because the governor General at the time was a woman who almost certainly got off to it.

>>280348133
Why would you link the video? Damn is everything an ad for some faggot's/ewhore's youtube grind these days?

>>280348147
See where making presumptions gets you?

>>280346618
You don't have to be branded. Just dying near an Apostle or Godhand (?) might doom your soul. Something about their existence being like a vortex in the spiritual realm, which suck your soul towards the abyss.

>>280348211
Shut the fuck up you annoying retard.

>>280339799 (OP)
i might be a horrendous edgelord but i loved wyald, he was my favorite character in bersker by far
every time you saw him in the manga, he'd make you say "holy fuck this shit is crazy"
i felt more anxiety for guts during his fight with wyald than during any other moment of the series
as absurdly edgy and evil wyald was, he added a sense of context to the series to remind you of how evil the world really was
i liked wyald, and i'm glad zodd fucked him up the way he did
the retard monkey rape demon got exactly what he deserved, lmao

>>280348257
I accept your concession.

>>280339799 (OP)
Wyald is necessary because he exposes the delusions the hawks were in, and to break Griffith spirit even more.

>>280348302
Go back to youtube with your 'complaints' about everything, whiny cunt.

>>280348192
I actually meant to reply to the retard in this thread white knighting women but oh well, a waste of time now that I think of it

>>280348301
Zodd is a piece of shit. Mostly because he thinks he's so noble and of such pure warrior spirit while being nigh invulnerable, infinitely regenerating and mostly being relegated to flying horse duties

Fuck Zodd

>>280348133
not watching that
we can already guess everything she yaps about

>>280339799 (OP)
>>280340143
average germanics before being turned into humans by Christianity

>>280348351
I can't imagine ever being this pressed over a conversation about anime on a mongolian basket weaving forum

>>280348133
Anime/manga youtubers, moral puritans, loli niggers, anti-loli niggers, and tourists should all kill themselves

>>280348398
I can't imagine purposely being an annoying baiter in anonymous anime convos. You act like you're getting paid to promote this whore's youtube.

>>280348372
>gets mogged by skull knight
i wish he was even stronger

>>280348397
lmao, unironically true
it's really hard for us modern men to understand just how savage humans really used to be
we're still the same, just protected by the confines of society and modernity
wyald does a really good job of reminding the reader what people can be like with zero limitations, that's why i like his character so much
seeing him do the things he did, for the reasons he did them, triggered some sort of genetic memory of when my ancestors lived in an untamed era and actually had to deal with people like him
i took his arc very seriously

>>280348469
I have no idea what you're talking about with the youtube stuff, and if you think my arguments are bait that says more about you than it does me

>>280348208
Because there is no damn point in keeping it a sekrit when some anons have already posted her name and others are asking for it. Just don't click in it

>>280348382
Correct

>>280348454
Correct

>>280348515
There already existed a modern Wyald as late as 1945, which the thread has alluded to.

Just give Dirlewanger superhuman strength.

>>280348533
You arguments aren't bait, your attitude is and you just have bad taste. Clinging to the "Wyald arc is unnecessary and blah blah because Zodd happened a million years before" argument is a common concern troll thing to say about Berserk by youtubers who want clicks from self-proclaimed 'feminists' who think they're progressive because they said rape bad. And you're playing dumb by pretending it has nothing to do with that.

>>280348594
people like this make me wonder if hell is real
if it isn't, they got away with it
if it is, they're suffering beyond imagination as judgement for their actions
it's a very scary thing to think about

The issue is that removing Wyald is removing characterization for the kingdom itself

The rape is not portrayed as a good thing. Its just that the powers that be, the ones that Griffith wanted to win over, and who they're currently fleeing from, are keeping a stable of these insane rapist gangsters that they unleash on their most hated foes.

That's crazy. That's a new development. The rape *should* be front and center. Its horrible. Other instances of rape can many times be safely censored as unnecessary, but not Wyald.

He serves as a monstrous foe, truly the lowest and most brutal they've faced yet. And his virile, brutal savagery and phallic strength is part of that. He's like dark Guts (whom also has the capacity to rape).

>>280348600
Back to the presumptions, I see. Yes all the rape is edgy but that doesn't make or break it, not sure why it's so incomprehensible to you that someone's subjective experience could be different from yours with legitimate reasons behind it. I also went beyond referencing just Zodd but you seem to be conveniently ignoring everything else, not that it would matter since you'd just say "that isn't enough either!!" anyway. At this point it's pretty much entirely subjective, but it gave me a chuckle seeing you try to apply an experience to me that I never had and then defaulting to "you just have bad taste then", and to top it off you're back to assuming things about me that just aren't true. You're flailing around in real time, this convo could've ended before the cope began

>>280348738
>if it isn't, they got away with it
Damn right, I'll get away with it.

>>280343954
Miura clearly gave up on Berserk after Conviction and just wanted to draw cute girls and stuff like that, with no regards to his "opus" and people should've given him the message they won't stand for it after so long but they didn't because of sunk cost fallacy. I think being over 50 and living like you're 22 is a bad enough fate. He realized he wasted too much of his life on Berserk so he just completely gave up on it. Clearly, he didn't succumb to the same sunk cost fallacy as fans.

>>280343677
That is the whole point of it. The Eclipse gains 10x the impact if there are no monsters or overt supernatural elements present in the ser- Wait, I'm arguing with an imbecile, aren't I?
>>280346981
You guys are some aphantasia types, aren't you? Why can't you just say "Well, yeah, Miura clearly made the wrong story decision here and it was better in the 97 anime by any storytelling metric" but instead you bend over backwards to accommodate that decision. Wyald would've made more sense post-Eclipse.

>>280348764
but it hurts woman's feelings we can't show wyald

>>280348983
I'm a guy and I despise rape and think it's mostly used for edgy shock value, but in Wyald's case it actually serves a purpose.
People should go cry about a series that is only edge and zero substance and I hate how Berserk is now only know as some edgy rapefest grim dark edge fest despite it not being anything like that

>>280349206
>I'm a guy and I despise rape
There's really no way you can make anything after this not sound cucked.

someone should make a reply video telling her she is wrong and wyald is an essential character to berserk

>>280346907
there's also Casca almost getting raped before joining the band

>>280346907
Did you forget the trolls? And the fucking fetus explosion panel?

>>280347921
Unpredictable villains who possess multiple different personalities which could include those 2

>>280350274
cold in the streets savage in the sheets

>>280346981
Basically this. It took everything they had just to take out one Apostle, and they didn't even kill him, so it really drove home how truly fucked they were in the Eclipse.

>>280339799 (OP)
I too watched this video youtube recommended https://youtu.be/C_Z8aYWmRnQ?feature=shared

>>280348922
Wyald was cut in '97 for time reasons.

>>280350007
That's another almost rape

>>280349638
Nah because nobody wants to be the guy who looks weird by "defending rape." You have to say anything that depicts rape, even if the rapists are clearly immoral monsters, is unreadable disposable trash or you'll be lambasted, especially on the internet.

>>280348922
>0 foreshadowing besides one quote Guts didn't even know what he meant
>the "impact" is "what the fuck is happening"
>Wow that sucked, wtf was that random ending, everything else was good tho, 6/10
>Wyald would've made more sense post-Eclipse.
And yet you call everyone else "imbeciles"? I can tell just based on this post you're into episodic garbage rather than chronological stories

>>280348922
>Why can't you just say "Well, yeah, Miura clearly made the wrong story decision here and it was better in the 97 anime by any storytelling metric"
Because he didn't and the '97 anime's ending fucking sucks. Why do you keep insisting on this so hard? Take a breather.

>>280350951
I'd do that.

>>280340243
You are exaggerating but why would a series full of death, torture, evil and dark desires not have rape in it too?

Look at this little dude.

>>280348768
There is no cope. You're just wrong. Griffith's visions and Rosine, as the anime proved, is not sufficient foreshadowing. You are coping by insisting Wyald was somehow unnecessary for absolutely no reason but contrarianism and/or shit taste.

The biggest problem with Wyald is that he has no impact on the characters after he's gone. Casca almost got raped and Guts had nothing to say to her after? He even quips that her being half-naked is distracting him. Casca isn't shaken up by it? After the ordeal is over it cuts to the Band of the Hawk gathered around, they're all despondent and dejected, but not because of Wyald directly, but because of the state that Griffith is in. '97 replaces Wyald exposing Griffith's body with just some random guard and the same effect is achieved.

>>280351491
The Eclipse happens literally 2 seconds after the Wyald fight and that's why Guts doesn't have his sword. Also, I'm confused. First you complain Wyald is unnecessary filler and then you complain that not enough time is taken on him, apparently? They fight him twice and comment on it after both times. You're just nitpicking the manga unnecessarily according to your arbitrary and contradictory standards for the sake of some weird agenda.

>>280350951
It's just art reflecting a fact of life with fantasy-horror embellishments. Good stories often contain gruesome realities. This is true for every notable work of fiction going back to the Bible and even before it, with Greek legends (Zeus swan raping a woman) and so-on.

>>280351491
>Band of the Hawk gathered around, they're all despondent and dejected, but not because of Wyald directly, but because of the state that Griffith is in.
Why would they be despondent because of Wyald when they won and none of them died compared to the fact that their leader they just saved can't walk, talk or hold a sword

>>280351491
>Casca almost got raped and Guts had nothing to say to her after? He even quips that her being half-naked is distracting him. Casca isn't shaken up by it?
Imagine Casca became a potato after Wyald rather than after the Eclipse. Feminist win, let's hear it for feebleminded women who can't handle sexual harassment (despite the fact she'd already been almost raped like 5 times at that point)

>rape rape rape rape rape rape rape rape
Good thread, Miura is probably getting raped in hell too.

>>280339799 (OP)
We've already seen a few Apostles by this point, and some had somewhat tragic back stories, so Miura just wanted to make an irredeemable Apostle who was the lowest of the low. It's quite extreme, but he wanted to show how awful and corrupt humans could get.

I suspect they were derived from the Dirlewanger Brigade.

>>280348133
oh she didn't like the aot ending? I may watch it then, I kinda stopped watching her because I got a feel she was pandering to us weebs liking everything and such.

Wyal is not unnecessary, his purpose is very simple and already stated at the beginning of this thread

>holy fuck this wyald dude is fucking horrible, but we did we won!
>....oh now there are 400 of them and we are inside a satanic hurricane

>>280348764
>The issue is that removing Wyald is removing characterization for the kingdom itself

Yeah, the king during the war was shown as a reasonable guy, but the more you learn the more you see he's utterly batshit and has so much sketchy shit going on. First he has an entire group of middle eastern assassins at his disposal, and you damn well he wasn't using them for good. Then you get that he not only tolerates but employs the Black Dogs, and their formation was literally his idea, and he doesn't seem to even care about their attrocities as long as they get the job done.

>>280352975
but anon we already know apostles are dangerous beings in the black swordsman arc. Sure you can chalk it up to also show the powergap of guts before and after but that's already a given

>>280352785
Given we see him as a dead old man, we can surmise that his backstory is that he's literally just some old guy rotting in prison who has a suicidal moment of despair, activates his behelit and goes to down. Old guy just wants to be young and strong again, and just wants to rape and murder.

He's even incredibly lazy and not pro-active, as there doesn't appear to be much stopping him from attempting to gain more power for himself, or even trying to usurp the kingdom. But actually ruling is hard.

>>280352975
imagine, each of these shadows is one wyald, can you imagine how terrifying this is after what just happened

>>280353063
not really, we've only seen the jobber slug baron and zodd, and zodd is reasonable as far as apostles go, the average apostle is much more like wyald

>>280351491
>'97 replaces Wyald exposing Griffith's body with just some random guard

Oh god, don't remind me. Was it the bee armor dude? Or was that the dude who replaced Silatt?

It would've been a much cooler scene with Wyald.

I was totally on board with the continuation as long as they handled it right. But the word I'd use for the continuation is: "disjointed". A bunch of events are occuring, but often not clear why, and they just happen before moving onto new events. I still don't know why Isma vanished for instance, or why the Island blew up like it did.

I get the sense Miura did tell him a rough outline: Griffith shows up, takes Casca away, the island is destroyed, Guts falls into despair, they move to the east have some fights, then an ending sequence. But the connection between events is, as I said, disjointed.

The release also kills any kind of pacing since it's just as bad when Miura was alive. I could totally be on board with a once a month chapter, just to speed things up and finish the series. Instead it's gonna be another decade.

No story is good enough to waste 40 years of your life on. No story. Miura should have finalized the story around 2011.

>>280352975
the horror of the eclipse is in griffith's betrayal and not some DBZ powerlevel bullshit

>>280353265
Just because we know about apostles and how strong doesn't fucking matter what does matter is if the characters do.
The characters don't fucking know about the Black Swordsman arc and them facing Wyald shows them that's not even a fraction of the real horror of the world

>>280353259
if this page was done by miura, the trees would be more darker

>>280339799 (OP)
Me.

>>280339799 (OP)
That there are people that look literally like this, with the mane and everything, and he based him off of one.

>>280339799 (OP)
I met a couple of fujos who shipped Zodd and Wyald. Zodd being the bottom of course.

>>280343611
Zodd was just a really strong bastard, but not even particularly evil beyond random jobber mercenaries. Hell, the Slug Apostle wasn't even that bad, comparatively.
Wyald was an absolute degenerate and reminded the readers extremely well what encountering an Apostle meant. And when you see the Eclipse you know it wasn't just going to be war, but a giant slaughter full of rape, torture and mutilation by a million sexual sadists.

Post your unpopular Berserk opinions

>>280339799 (OP)
Fun things are fun

>>280339799 (OP)
That writing manga is a very forward developing process and he didn't have the hindsight or time or editors to tell him not too.

>>280357288
isma sucks.

>>280357288
Wyald good. Chestnut Puck is better than normal Puck after conviction and the Star Wars stuff is funny. Millennium falcon is the worst arc not Fantasia.

>>280346907
you also forgot misty valley chapter 2's "adult attack"

>>280345528
And Trash (that's the name) and Satanophany and that other manga with the magical kick girl.

>>280363870
name of magic girl please

>>280343798
>Let's be real here, guy would've definitely raped an underage girl if he knew he could get away with it
>Kinda sad that he died and his desires were never fulfilled, shit world we live in
Huh?

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>>280348983
Are those women in this thread with us right now, anon?

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>>280351180
Anime ending sucks because of zero Scull Knight and the abrupt jump from "wow, Guts sure is fucked" to "oh, he's actually alright, he's on a hunt i guess, Casca who?". Not because the edgy rape demon wasn't included.

>>280353125
We saw Snake Baron and he wasn't nice.

>>280353073
Quite the opposite, Wyald was a monk who lived a simple, boring life. His boredom was so great, he ended up becoming the apostle you know

>>280365688
The anime made the snake jobber much more intimidating.

>>280357288
Guts' JRPG party and quest to un-retard Casca is easily the worst part of the series. Does anyone actually give a shit about Farnese, Serpico or Schrieke? I love the Falconia shit sprinkled about every now and then but I need more of it.

>>280366497
Could be. We don't see his backstory and frankly it's not needed. This is clearly some inner desire that he had and he went nuts. It's unclear who or what he even sacrificed to begin with.

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>>280367151
The Count was a bastard, but we are shown that he has at least some shred of humanity left and a somewhat tragic backstory. Rosine was similar. Wyuld is just completely irredeemable and likely has no such tragedy, he's just a complete monster. Other Apostles like Zodd, Irvine, Locus, etc you could at least sit down and have a regular convo with, and as long as their needs don't conflate with your needs, then you can be cool with them. It's probably why the smarter apostles can function and hide in society better than others.

Snake Baron may or may not have a tragic backstory, and it doesn't matter. He may have had fantasies about canabalism, and got to live out his fantasies. The snake person is the real him. But he at least had a day job as a baron and still was sane enough to keep things orderly, even if he had people periodically rounded up to be eaten.

>>280367392
Farnese and Serpico are cool
Farnese especially before she just becomes Casca's tard wrangler

>>280367392
>Guts' JRPG party and quest to un-retard Casca is easily the worst part of the series. Does anyone actually give a shit about Farnese, Serpico or Schrieke? I love the Falconia shit sprinkled about every now and then but I need more of it.

Yep. I think Shierke and Isidro are narratively very pointless and the team is already too big to focus on everyone to begin with. I really feel like Miura should have finished Berserk, then started up a new comic series about Isidro going on an adventure and teaming up with Shierke.

The worst part is that because the kids are side-characters, they can never score a "win" only assists, so they are in the story but never do anything important. If Isidro was his own character in his own story he could be the hero.

To this day, Isidro and Isma are pointless characters and it's unclear why they're even there.

And there's already a boy hero character in the story: Rickert. He and Erica fit into the story much more organically anyways.

>>280367151
For comparison.

>>280348397
You're a special kind of retard, huh?

>>280348594
There are plenty of them today, minus the strength. Look at the average russian.

>>280367985
Oink oink, Taras.

>>280367392
>Guts' JRPG party and quest to un-retard Casca is easily the worst part of the series. Does anyone actually give a shit about Farnese, Serpico or Schrieke? I love the Falconia shit sprinkled about every now and then but I need more of it.

You can condense the story in a neat way that skips the boat bullshit:

>Farness and Serpico still exist, and they interact with Guts and then dip out to go back home to fantasy Italy
>Guts and Casca travel to Flora to heal Casca
>The fixing happens here, and they travel into her mind to heal her
>Griffith and the Neo Band appear
>Guts fights Crystal dragon to a stand-still like before
>Griffith appears and they fight, but can't land a blow
>Casca abducted
>Guts has his lowest point
>Griffith continues his fight against the emperor's invasion
>the troll fight is now the merger of the worlds, rather than the Sea god fight
>same events play out
>we get Skull Knight's back story here, and he visits the grave of his lover
>What now? Guts meets up with Rickert's team who is fleeing Midland
>decide to head east for more allies and to find a way to save Casca
>they go to Fantasy italy to get a boat to go east
>meet up Farness and Serpico again (minor characters who don't stick around) who provide the boat
>short boat journey
>Guts, Rickert, Erica, Daiba, are now in the Assassin's village (totally hinted at by Miura but never shown)
>they get summoned to Constantinopl, as the assassin's are no longer banned and needed by the new Emperor
>Silat has his status as a general restored (this presumably happens in the current manga, but it's off screen and awkward)
>events are now mostly the same with Guts in Constantinople and about to head west
>Theresia is appointed a major figure by Griffith and she burns with passion for revenge
>Jill also shows up in Falconia

I'm trying to smooth things out, cut out the boat arc, while keeping as much as possible. I'm fine with Farness and her brother as minor characters.

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>>280370471
ayy

>>280357288
I liked the JRPG party and Guts mellowing out. But Griffith coming back to kick everyone in the balls makes it all feel like a huge waste of time.

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>>280367824
Vagina mouth was a mistake.