Who asked for this, anyway?

>>280404707 (OP)
Plotfags who cried about MotW only to find out that the plot is barebones and Toei filler carried the entire franchise on it's back.

20th anniversary thing.
Although it's so incredibly inferior to the 90s show it's not even funny.

>>280404796
For me I could appreciate the plot, but it lacks all the characterization and fun vibe of the original show.

>>280404707 (OP)
The same people asking for FMA: Brotherhood style adaptations of everything else that isn't 100% accurate to their respective manga.

>>280404796
Fpbp
>>280404707 (OP)
Retarded Redditor women who defended crystal

>>280405176
>Retarded Redditor women who defended crystal
Why do they hate fun so much

>>280405009
FMB:B was the beginning of the end of creative & soulful anime adaptations.

>>280404707 (OP)
I’ve finally reached the point in R where she shows up. For the longest time, I thought the gun was photoshopped, and I can’t stop laughing. Anyway, time to see what the hate is all about.

>>280406465
It's not photoshopped but as you probably already know the gun is fake
>Anyway, time to see what the hate is all about.
It won't get bad until SuperS don't worry. That will be an issue if you weren't exactly into Chibiusa.

>>280404707 (OP)
Everyone did, but then they didn't properly adapt the manga either and the animation and production was Toei at its worst (roughly the same time as Dressrosa One Piece for example) If they had started it today instead of 10 years ago or whenever it was it would be significantly better.

>>280406777
>Everyone did
Why tho

>>280406465
>I thought the gun was photoshopped
There's a few things that are consistent across every iteration of Sailor Moon.
One of them is Mamoru having a doofy Tuxedo Kamen doll. Another is Chibi-Usa drawing a pistol on her mom.

>>280406804
To get a manga accurate version too. Which it wasn't.

>>280406814
Here's the children's cardboard book version of it.

>>280406880
What a role model for children lmao.

>>280406880
This is one that I want a poster sized print of for my gun room.

>>280406947
Senshi with Guns is a curiously recurring theme, and I don't exactly know why.

>>280407007
We've still yet to see what kind Ami and Mako would get.

>>280407077
Even Mars got a submachine gun in some kind of interactive video tape game.

>>280407007
I'm more scared of Minako with a gun than Chibiusa ngl.

>>280407007
Guns are cool and sexy.

>>280406465
Ah cool, fellow recent watchers.
Enjoy ARU, it's the peak of the show in case you haven't noticed yet. Chibiusa sucks but at least she has her reasons here. The problem is when she will keep at it after Usagi already did so much for her.

>>280404707 (OP)
it's not like the can make an anime about the recent big shoujo sensation like... that title from 10 years ago and that other superseller magical girl manga from... eh... 7 years ago?

>>280404707 (OP)
People who wanted something more faithful to the manga.

>>280404707 (OP)
>Who asked for more of one of the most popular anime ever

Real mystery

I tried watching it and it was trash. Wasn't as funny as the original, was too serious, and the animation was awful.

Only good thing about it was the BANGER of an OP

>>280408581
It's not a sequel anon, it's a reboot with the idea of trying to be manga-accurate, but it's neither that and also--
>>280408673 yeah everything he said. Not even fucking close to what the original anime did, it's worlds apart.

>>280404796
Came to post this. Good work, anon.

>>280406465
I hated R in Chibi Usa's arcnot just because she sucks in general (It's not nearly as bad as Super S) but because they needed to artificially create drama by having Mamoru tell his past self that he has to break up with Usagi and be a dick, because otherwise they wouldn't be able to work out when their relationship turned REALLY rocky. And the funniest part is, it never fucking does!

>>280409320
>but because they needed to artificially create drama by having Mamoru tell his past self that he has to break up with Usagi and be a dick
Yeah that was stupid. But I will still rate R as one of the highest moments of the show.

crystal just needed good music to help salvage it but in the end i couldn't watch it because because the henshin music and cgi was too awful.
It's not even that hard to make some synth pop with random "sailor moon"s thrown in.
Disgrace of a reboot but im sure it made a shit ton of money.

>>280408731
>It's not a sequel anon,
I didn't say it was a sequel I said MORE. It's a profitable brand

>>280405664
Those adaptations getting shit endings and being stalled by filler didn’t help either

>>280406777
>>280408731
No one who actually read Sailor Moon and has a brain cell would be asking for a faithful adaptation. There are some things that Naoko Takeuchi is great at, like creating general premises and story engines, designs and vibes. But she can't plot or write a story for shit; the Toei animation built on everything good she created and made something amazing.
For example, take the final arc; there's a scene where Ami and Mako are obliterated by the bad guys, and it's immediately followed by two full pages of Sailor Starlights posing. Jesus Christ! Our girls just died!

manga fans probably

Not me

>>280405664
Tbf Soul Eater desperately needs a "Brotherhood" adaptation because the anime ending is crap.

>>280404707 (OP)
shareholders

Original? Kino
R's Caridan arc? Kino
R's Black Moon arc? Ludokino of the highest degree
S first half? Saved by Eudial definitely
S second half? Kino but fuck Mimete for hogging so much screen time, other witches are just better
Super S? Anti-kino
Stars' Nehellenia eps? Kino
Stars middle section? GAY as HELL
Stars finale? Kino

Honestly shit's good, Crystal just couldn't match.

>>280412433
>Stars finale? Kino
The final episode is great. But the previous three or four suck balls. It's basically the same buildup that happens in the first series, where all the girls die off, but much more lame and poorly animated. And the outers' "betrayal" -while maybe a sound strategy on their point of view- was also terrible from a viewer's perspective because you're not fooled for a second.

>>280413273
I liked how the starlights actually damaged Galaxia, didn't expect that.
Outers betrayal was an interesting idea even if yeah you know how it will end.

But the actual best part? Usagi dreaming that the other senshis and Mamo were actually planning something all along, only to be brought back to the harsh reality. That was one hell of a way to show how she is actually breaking

>>280413273
>And the outers' "betrayal" -while maybe a sound strategy on their point of view- was also terrible from a viewer's perspective because you're not fooled for a second.
The problem with Uranus and Neptune is that they're so far up their own asses that they think they're in a much more grim series than they are.
"ooh the final boss is so strok and invincible, we'll have to shoulder the burden on ourselves to sacrifice two of our friends to try to double cross and backstab her it's the only way!" fucking retards.
They've watched as their princess overcame impossible odds and saved the world FOUR FUCKING TIMES and they STILL don't have faith in her.
But what REALLY pisses me off is that even if the dykes are that dumb, Hotaru and Setsuna should have more sense and faith than that.

>>280404707 (OP)
for being one of toei's most iconic anime productions, it sure was a fucking insult to allow them to release it in such awful quality.

>>280404707 (OP)
me

>>280404707 (OP)
A lot of Sailor Moon manga fans (as in those who are like, exclusively fans of the manga and maybe musicals, not someone who enjoys the manga in addition to other SM stuff) seem to see the '90s anime as almost an insult to the manga's story. Like those who are all about Usamamo or whatever see Manga Usagi, and sometimes Rei and Minako, as being comparatively more dignified and so see the anime versions as a bunch of clowns

I think the manga art style is nice but I also think it's the kind of thing that'd be difficult to translate to animation completely accurately. Not only because of certain poses that are designed more to be viewed as a still drawing (think like images with super long flowing hair hanging in a way that implies it'd be in constant motion in animation), but also just because if you look at certain images Takeuchi drew herself that were then colored in anime style, you realize they'd actually look kinda janky as hell if they were a real anime and not a manga that can get away with being a bit looser. Pic related

>>280404707 (OP)
not me

>>280404707 (OP)
couldve been good if Toei didnt cheapen out on it. The animation in season 1/2 was abysmal. Season 3 fixed it, but then they went full retard and made super S/Stars movies instead of tv seasons.

>>280414068
Not to mention it's a clean cop-out to not showcase Sailor Saturn fighting, who is supposed to be way stronger than all the others.

>>280417235
>A lot of Sailor Moon manga fans (as in those who are like, exclusively fans of the manga and maybe musicals, not someone who enjoys the manga in addition to other SM stuff) seem to see the '90s anime as almost an insult to the manga's story
Because they're retards, or larp as manga purists without having actually read it.
Sailor Moon's manga is a goldmine as a source for a show's bible, but TERRIBLE as a story.

>>280404707 (OP)
I tried to watching and quit like episode 5? or where Usagi is in Tuxedo man house. I just dislike the designs.

>>280418689
>TERRIBLE as a story.
Is it bad as Twilight.

>>280405664
so what was the end of the end

>>280418912
I haven't read or watched Twilight but the problem with Sailor Moon's manga is not as much that the story is bad, it's that it's very bare-bones. Every new arc it's just a new bad guy or gal who introduces a few lieutenants who get killed one per chapter, then Sailor Moon uses the crystal and kills them. First it's the silver crystal, then it's two silver crystals, then every other girl gets a crystal, then Mamoru gets a crystal too. It's very repetitive and bland. But the general look and feel of the villains is great, so when the Toei writers take the manga and build it up into seasons, fleshing out the characters and creating a more involving plot, it becomes great.

I the show worth watching?

>>280407007
Many superheroes would generally be better off using guns more often.

>>280418689
Doesn't the manga end with a random af cloud monster outta nowhere to fight as the final boss?

>>280419101
Kinda like Saint Seiya then.

If you guys could rewrite crystal how would you rewrite and why?

>>280422392
Saint Seiya was a huge influence for Sailor Moon and many staff members from Saint Seiya worked on Sailor Moon too. And now Saint Seiya has a magical girl manga. I guess Sailor Moon and Saint Seiya are forever conjoined

>>280404707 (OP)
to me it was only worth it for the cosmos openings. regardless of what you think, them redoing the classic openings full of references was nostalgiafag done right

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aIQVnR1e9aw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fVwFMPUymQQ

>>280424229
Would you guys plow them in that art style?

>>280404707 (OP)
If Sailor Moon was barefoot, then things would get more interesting.

>>280421120
Most of Sailor Moon villains in the manga are cloud monsters.

>>280420618
The 90s one? Absolutely.
Crystal? Not at all, but it's much shorter at least.

>>280418522
Making SuperS and Stars into movies was genuinely their only good idea. They absolutely do not deserve an entire season.

>>280421120
For what's worth, Stars final boss is also a cloud monster but he's never fought directly, he's possessing Galaxia the whole time and goes down with her.

>>280422392
You can make them case that the Neherenia arc in Sailor Stars is thinly-veiled Saint Seiya OVA plot.

>>280426091
>goes down with her.
??
Galaxia survived in the anime. She purged herself from chaos and left to make up for her crimes.

>>280426152
Sure, but what I meant is that she is the last enemy. Moon fights Chaos only indirectly through Galaxia.

The original anime already WAS a fairly faithful adaptation. Sure it added a lot of stuff and cut some other stuff but a lot of plot points are similar and those that aren't... aren't even often that good? I think the biggest revelation for me was that the second half of Dream basically WAS adapted as the first arc in Stars anime. I would say the Cosmos movie is still worth watching because that's the most different arc and they put a modicum of effort into that particular movie.

>>280426287
>the second half of Dream basically WAS adapted as the first arc in Stars anime.
Why did they do this anyway. It's not like SuperS was ever busy with anything else.

>>280426351
Bandai mandate? Scheduling? One of those two probably

>>280404707 (OP)
Crystal was so bad. I couldn't even bring myself to watch more than a couple episodes and I say this after watching literally every episode of OG. Nephrite has the saddest death across the whole series

>>280422812
Add a bunch of episodes in-between major happenings for a better sense of pacing, make the mood much more lighthearted outside of things that should be taken seriously, no CGI bullshit. And the girls should act more like the 90s anime as well, they are young 14-16 yos, they shouldn't be overly serious and professional with each other.
There you go I saved Crystal, now it looks more like what people actually enjoyed about Sailor Moon while still being shorter and more plot-centric.

Haruka Tenoh is probably one of the better outer scouts. She gave me the androgynous or non-binary women.

>>280427637
>She gave me the androgynous or non-binary women.
fetish for them that is
I think it has detrimental for my romantic development

>>280404796
the Satou/Ikuhara/Igarashi direction carried it

>>280404707 (OP)
not me

Toei asked for it. Otherwise they'd have to relinqush some contractual hold they had over Sailor Moon animation, and Toei didn't want any other studio to have a shot at MOON PRISM POWAAAAA

>>280404707 (OP)
Did Minako always have anal beads?

>>280429963
Not in the original anime at least

She did, probably.

>>280406465
>For the longest time, I thought the gun was photoshopped
handguns are a traditional weapon of magical girls

>>280431852
Anime Chibiusa would have been more useful with her fake gun than her own attack.

>>280409566
They pose to attack, though. That's the first volley of justice.

>>280414068
They are in a grim series. An inch to the left of Usagi's charmed perspective you see all the cosmic horror and life or death struggle. And the reality that a dumb girl's hax are the only defense they have against it, so better keep her together somehow.

>>280426214
His name in Nyarlathotep, the crawling chaos.

>>280427637
>>280427652
She doesn't claim to be anything but a woman. But she doesn't stop people from making a mistake, either. That makes her a reverse trap (dansou), not some twitter d&d alignment.

>>280432541
A high priority stun with no cooldown that triggers moon's ultimate is nothing to sneeze at. She is credit to team.

>>280426351
>>280426381
SuperS anime is very much the Chibi-Usa series. The plot revolves around her; she gets to use the gold crystal that belongs to Mamoru, even.
Putting the final part in, which would feature Eternal and have Usagi "defeat" her (using the term loosely here) would've muddled that.
Then again, the problem was trying to center the series around Chibi-Usa and her bratty friends in the first place.
God, what a shitshow. I still recall the episode where Mina is two-timing Tiger Eye and Eagle Eye, the comedic GENIUS of it, and get sad because it's an anomaly and soon we'll be back to a fucking kid trying to do child stuff.

>>280433601
In the manga she's dressed very femininely half the time.

>>280417235
Sovler Moon

>>280434057
The two timing ep was definitely an highlight. Also a bunch of hilarious monsters, but beyond that SuperS was a massive trainwreck.

>>280434931
Mina carries the show HARD after Usagi gets a boyfriend and becomes boring. When she gets people to photograph her with Three Lights in compromising positions and then sells them to tabloids is amazing. She even gets Usagi going with it, that's her energy level.

>>280431672
What is their popularity in universe and have someone figure out their identity?

>>280435828
>What is their popularity in universe
Before the series even starts, Sailor V is popular enough to get her vidya. After that, the senshis eventually become known heroines as soon as Sailor Moon starts fighting the first monsters. There are some episodes in the anime where people talk about them, one where Minako specifically talks about Moon and Venus with a kid, and one with in-universe live-action show.
>and have someone figure out their identity
In the first season, there is one guy who knows Ami is Mercury and still didn't die unlike the villains who discovered their identity.

>>280436315
In the first season they made an effort into getting each character to have an interest in at least one guy. Minako's didn't work out and Mako is Mako, but Ami and Rei got some boyfriend-type characters. Ami's was seemingly phased out of existence (the guy who could see the future) but Rei's lives in the temple with her so he pops up every now and then. He's got some fun interactions with Mamoru, when he finds out he used to date Rei before him.
Honestly, it's more normal than the stoic chivalry mindset of being entirely dedicated to defending their princess the manga has going on.

>>280437371
>In the first season they made an effort into getting each character to have an interest in at least one guy.
I was actually expecting this to last until the end in one way or another, since first season really wants to push romantic themes as far as possible, and did a pretty good job especially with the Nephrite arc.
ARU did something cool with the ayys at least, giving them one hell of weird relationship where they are lovers pretending to be siblings and getting involved witih the humans. The breakup arc is very lame tho.
I did not care about Uranus and Neptune being dykes.
SuperS is doujin fuel for Chibusa I bet lmao, I don't even want to see how those look like.
And Stars is just a meme.

>>280438629
>And Stars is just a meme.
Honestly the Sailor Starlights save it in the first half. I still remember the episode where they're filming a sentai movie in the boonies and the rest of the cast goes there to meet a family friend of Rei's. You can see them act relaxed in their downtime while swimming in the river and, especially, when Seiya at one point says "We're gonna borrow the monster costume and use it to scare the girls!" And the other two are like "Dude, YES."
Too bad later they have to be in Plot Mode, so Taiki and Yaten have to become retarded dicks and forget all previous characterization.

>>280417235
People need to remember that the majority of manga consumers are Japanese. Mangas tend to be far more popular than anime adaptions because they're easily digestible due to how Japanese are constantly on the go and commute throughout the day via public transit or walking whether for work, school or leisure. Japanese houses and apartments are notoriously small so people aren't sitting around all day watching television. Thus, to many, the manga is how they see a particular franchise as a whole and how many of them came to be introduced to it.

>>280438817
I meant it as a "romance" plot. Usagi x Seiya was never going to be a thing, for a good number of reasons. Everyone knows this, yet you will be watching an entire "dating" episode and a few more that are very obviously not meant to go anywhere. Why even.

>>280440206
These days everyone's on their phones and manga cafe hipsters do a lot of the physical manga reading.

>>280440206
Manga adaption of the 90s show when.

>>280404707 (OP)
I love venus and her anal beads

>>280404707 (OP)
Can she fit all this inside?

>>280406465
Sailor Moon is unfortunately one of the biggest casualties of the color degradation of animation cels based on the pinkish skin in certain frames.

I almost want to rewatch R alone.

>>280440699
Would your pre teen self would been able to befriend let alone seduce?

>>280440939
lol. lmao even.

>>280425669

>>280404707 (OP)
What happened to Usagi's family? Did they passed away before she took the throne? I think they weren't even present at her wedding.

>>280441905
Talking about that, I thought that scene they added at the end of the Cosmos movie with Usagi returning home to her family backcalling the first episode/chaper was cute

>>280440209
That was infuriating. If you're going to sideline Mamoru and want to push the idea that Usagi and Seiya might be a thing, fucking commit to it. As it was, there was never any hint that Usagi might be falling for this other guy. So what's the point?

>>280440206
I don't see the Japanese fans acting the way I described in that post. I'm sure some must, but this is mostly something I've seen in English Sailor Moon circles

I'd even say that most Japanese SM art etc. I've seen seems to be based more on the anime than the manga, probably due to how it fleshed out certain characters more

>>280427637
She's just so pretty I can look at her all day long.
Haruka x Michiru is also my favourite yuri couple. I didn't really expect that until I watched S a few months back, I thought they were just popular back then because yuri didn't offer much yet.
But I was wrong.