Everything would have been fine if Joe went up to featherweight and fought Rikiishi in his own weight class

>Joe dies of a heart attack from being too fat

>>280424039
At least Rikiishi doesn't die

>>280423665 (OP)
weight cutting is a fucked up system

Rikishi would never be satisfied. If Joe, the street rat with no training, had to go up to meet Rikishi's level, it would be seen as sacrilege against his supposed natural state. If he couldn't take on a guy under his weight class with no professional equipment living under a bridge, how was he supposed to be the better man.

>>280423665 (OP)
What bothers me is that the Namidabashi kids don't grow at all despite like 6 years passing

>>280424764
This. It's another reason I never got into competitive MMA. I'd rather just train martial arts and be able to eat as much as i want.

>>280426434
I used to work with a guy that did mma and he'd show up to work looking like he got hit by a bus and asking why he keeps doing it. Absolutely insane sport. Sports centered around martial arts in general are extremely intense and attract some pretty unique people.

>>280426238
Nutritional deficiencies suck.

>>280423665 (OP)
Everything would have been fine if Joe did a million different things besides charging face first into his opponents' fists as a comedy routine.

Reminder that weight classes are horse shit to make manlets feel good.

>>280423665 (OP)
I lost all my respect for Joe after he got cucked by the Mammoth.

>>280428149
Noriko will always be thinking of Joe

>>280423665 (OP)
That arc where Joe starves himself because he has grown too much for his weight class, but then it's never a problem again was the stupidest shit.

But Rikiishi was also autistic for Joe, he fully deserved to die. And Carlos deserved brain damage. The only one who wasn't a complete dumb idiot was Jose.

>>280428914
I forget excactly how much bigger he grew but i think he was like 65 kg off season and around 173 cm tall. He had no business being in bantaweight that is just suicide,fitting since he died so young just like Rikishi.

>>280428149
That was the point. Joe was so obssessed with boxing and he struggled ever feel fulfilled that he pushed all his friends away with his self-destructive habits. He has always been anti-social vagabond.
>>280424764
Problem is that people almost never fight at their natural weight. People are willing to risk their health just for reach advantage.

>>280428149
That'd imply he ever liked Noriko beyond just seeing her as a friend

>>280428149
joe didn't get cucked, noriko did
she didn't even get cucked by a person - she got cucked by joe's love of boxing

>>280427867
Yeah I do remember thinking it was pretty silly when I first heard about it.
Why aren't their height classes in basketball?

I remember...

What was the moral of Joe's story?

>>280432613
Everything in moderation?

>>280430227
>>280428914
They mention the body gets used to it but that most people quit when they become skeletals

>>280426542
I do boxing and I show up to work one morning with bruises on my elbows
"Why do you do it anon?"
"Because it beats being hit in the liver"

>>280432613
Doesn't need them, that's why it's a great series. Joe is a violent retard.

>>280432613
Live beautifully, become the ubermensch, reject the social contract, live for what feels natural.

>>280435782
... and lose everything in the process?

>>280435797
Nothing matters if it denies what I mentioned, besides rejecting the social contract.

>>280432613
punch REALLY hard o algo

Was joe even a good boxer? iI felt like he got hit way to much at times but keeps going when most would quit.

>>280430227
this nigga should have fought at lightweight

>>280435973
Literally going through those episodes right now

>>280436014
The man who gets beat down isn't the loser. The guy who can't tough it out to the end, he's the one who loses.

>>280436014
>idea for a technique was not having a guard

>>280430227
I find it more ridicules that the south Korean guy with a small stomach and lives off one egg and tea a day, is somehow more ripped then joe was.

>>280436126
The phsyiques in Joe and Ippo can be pretty crazy and inconsistent for what's 118-125

Jose was stronger because he had sex.

>>280436124
That's what Muhammad Ali did.

>>280436124
Jake Paul if he was a Nip

>>280436242
This. I'm 5ft7 and my natural weight is like 150. Still got a slight stomach cos I'm not at fight weight yet, probably cut to super welterweight and my chest and obliques are nowhere close to Ippo's lmao

>>280437192
Super lightweight even, bit drunk

>>280436242
Kek you just remined me of this unit. Same weight as Ippo btw.

>>280436068
Are you really a winner if you got brain damage and nothing to show for it?

>>280426238
Wait I recognize that outfit.

Shouldn't manlets have a natural advantage at lower weight classes? As they can built way more muscle mass.

Why do people still act like Joe died when the authors retconned it tho

>>280437638
I knew someone was goint to post this specific page kek

>>280441176
Don't even start

>>280441176
>>280441282
I mean there's no confirmation that he died

>>280441176
Weird of Yoko to have him taxidermied like that.

>>280441541
lol

>>280439723
No. Simply because adding more muscle mass means you lose speed and you tire easily. Boxing is all about speed and stamina. If you look at boxers body you'd see a certain archetype in almost everyone of them. That's because they only train muscles that are meant for punching and movement. They don't train muscles for lifting people.

>>280432613
Become a communist and kidnap people

>>280436068
shut up kuze

>>280441176
not even a retcon. joe never died. dezaki fucked it up in the anime.

>>280432613
Tomorrows end.

>>280441176
here's your happy ending anon

>>280441176
joe dying makes the most sense, thematically
i don't care what happened after that final panel; joe is dead as far as i'm concerned.

>>280424764
You want boxing to be like sumo?
https://youtu.be/sRhYIndSlzM?feature=shared

>>280423665 (OP)
Everything would be fine if Joe wasn't a literal fucking retard.

IS HE DEAD OR NOT
>>280443474
i like it

>>280437005
Muhummad Ali (and any of the other fighters who've used a similar stance) didn't just not dodge attacks like a retard though. Some of it falls on Danpei but I don't know if he could've stopped Joe, regardless he still should've tried to. That part of the story always felt a bit contrived to me since there's no real reason for Joe to do that outside of the first fight against Rikiishi when he was an amateur.

>>280441933
>dezaki fucked it up in the anime.
YUP.

Glad some people are realized that the anime is a dogshit adaptation, hopefuly with it's 60th anniversary coming up an anime remake gets announced.

>>280443474
This is unironicaly better, glamourizing fruitless suffering is so childish.

>>280443474
disgusting.

>>280441176
Dont care. It's like payig More attention to the animation like sakugatards or moralfags with Rurouni Kenshin than main themes or caracterization

>>280445462
I wouldnt say dogshit but dezaki changed a few lines that completely go against joes characterization, like what he says to yoko right before leaving to fight jose

>>280449006
elaborate

>In a 2001 interview, forensic pathologist Masahiko Ueno concluded that Joe had to be alive in the final panel to remain upright.

The opening of the first season has been living rent free in my head for a while and I don't know why

>>280449061
NTA but the anime definitely made Joe a just a bit tamer. I recall many small changes but the one that comes to mind first is in the boxing licence sparring match. In both anime and manga Joe savagely beats his opponent even after knocking him out of the ring but the difference is that in the manga Joe was fully conscious of what he was doing whereas in the anime he was blind with rage and wasn't fully in control. That said, the changes are small overall and I don't really see that much of an issue. I do hope that the inevitable remake sticks closer to the manga though.

>>280450366
kek

>>280436126
His cheat day:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1NjTWvl8x-U