was she a whore?

>>280458307 (OP)
All women are whores.

>>280458318
But was julia more of a whore than normal?

>>280458307 (OP)
Everyone who leases their body and labor in exchange for compensation is a whore, be they sex workers, artists, or construction workers

>>280458307 (OP)
she saved spike's life by agreeing to vicious's deal in her head, she was a martyr who sacrificed her body despite loving spike
so no, she was not a whore she made a sacrifice that fucked her up more than it did spike, spike loved her too and only thing he asked was why she didn't show up without judgement he was seeking for closure but then they both died

>>280459432
Is this headcanon or was their backstory elaborated on somewhere

>>280459523
based on her behavior and spike and her's interactions, i assume it would require misanthropy and autism to not pick up on it

>>280458307 (OP)
Here's the real question, was SHE a whore?

>>280458307 (OP)
No. She was a syndicate boss and was called Julia-sama.

>>280459523
Did you even pay attention to the plot? She is given the choice to kill Spike if she wants to live, and she actively chooses to protect Spike over herself. She is then hunted for years because she would not betray the man she loved.

>>280459432
Spike deserved all the suffering he went through and more. I fucking hate him

>>280461747
How does this imply Julia fucked Viscous in exchange for Spikes life? My understanding of what happened is exactly as your picrel explains, apparently I'm a misanthrope for thinking that according to this nigger >>280459616

>>280461930
Does this look super consensual to you? She obviously slept with Vicious so that she could give Spike time to fake his death. She never betrayed Spike's plan. Instead she tricked Vicious and then went on the run.

>>280458307 (OP)
yes

>>280458307 (OP)
no

>>280462067
Wasn't Julia Vicious' girlfriend first?

>>280464118
Yes. But not exactly by choice.

>>280461824
This. Vicious was cooler.

>>280464875
How does that work? What power could he have over her?

>>280461824
I'm glad someone else thinks the same, Spike was a fucking asshole who cucked his best friend.

>>280458307 (OP)
She was just an ordinary woman.

>>280465144
By the looks of it, a gun.

>>280458307 (OP)
yes

>>280465641
based Jew cucking aryan babes from whitebois

>>280461824
I think the same, Spike is a cuck and Julia is a whore who cheated on her boyfriend

>>280465641
and then abandoned a good friend like Jet because of pussy, Spike is the worst kind of man

>>280458307 (OP)
No, but Vicious was a cuck.

bump

The real whore was that slag from La Fin Jet had a thing for. She was a fucking hypocrite and a sophist.
>You were so controlling, you always had to have it your way!
>Now, if you'll excuse me, I need to go back to my extremely beta boyfriend who is clearly the lesser of the two in this relationship in all respects. I am basically the one holding all of the cards now, the one wearing the britches, the dominant one in the bedroom, and basically, I am everything wrong with modern day feminism condensed into a single 24-minute episode.
Worst episode (barring the the last two) in the entire show, easily.

>>280461824
>>280465641
Vicious was already betraying Spike since before Spike and Julia began their affair. You dumbasses didn't even follow the plot, you just sided with Vicious because you have cuck solidarity.

>>280474191
What is this retarded slop? The 'accident' is the gun fight between Spike and Vicious' goons after Julia betrayed him.

If anything Spike was the one to betray Vicious.

>>280475254
Nope. Vicious set Spike up. Spike ended up at Julia's The affair began. Vicious fucked himself.

If you don't want to be cheated on, don't force a beautiful woman to be with you. It's that simple. Fuck Vicious. Fuck cucks. It's always your own fault.

>>280475355
Nice headcanon, too bad it's clearly wrong. Spike says ever since he got the eye he was looking in the past with one eye and the present with the other. This makes no sense if he'd only just begun the affair with Julia.

>>280475355
>Nope. Vicious set Spike up.
There's nothing in the show to evidence this.

>>280475489
No Spike was already missing the eye when he met Julia.

Speedwatchers are embarrassing desu

>>280475489
I wasn't talking about when Spike lost his eye. He lost his eye before he ever met Julia. Vicious might have been responsible for that too. However, there was another time Spike got set up and ended up at Julia's apartment. She saved his life. That time he was set up by Vicious. Vicious was pissed that Spike was moving up the ranks of the syndicate faster than he was.

>>280472123
>and then abandoned a good friend like Jet because of pussy, Spike is the worst kind of man
Spike quite literally goes back to die and fight Vicious so his friends would stop being hunted by the syndicate. I can substantiate if you want but it should be clear from his exchange with jet.
>there's nothing I can do for a dead woman

>>280475675
He have to but two and two together. Also, Sunrise confirmed it. "[Vicious] is believed to have had some involvement in the "accident" that befell Spike three years ago.

>>280475675
You have to put two and two together. Also, Sunrise confirmed it. "[Vicious] is believed to have had some involvement in the "accident" that befell Spike three years ago.

>>280475727
This is cope. Vicious stops going after Spike the second Julia is killed.

>>280475727
>there's nothing I can do for a dead woman
Julia is dead. There is nothing Spike can do forher.This does not lessen the impact she has on the events that are about tounfold.Jet understands this. Upon hearing of Julia's death, he has a resigned if devastatedreaction.He knows exactly what this means forSpike. The tiger striped cat lost his white cat.

>>280458318
fpbp

>>280472123
Jet understands why Spike has to go better than anyone. He understands what Spike lost.

>>280475821
Vicious didn't even know she was dead, Spike had to tell him.

>>280475986
Oh, he had a pretty good idea.

>>280475794
>Also, Sunrise confirmed it.
This doesn't mean anything, half the assholes involved in any production have their own canon but it's not in the show so it's meaningless.

>>280475949
t. incel

>>280476065
cope cope cope

>>280476115
Plenty of cases where this kind of low tier 'official' statement is wrong, it isn't even sourced faggot

>>280476192
cope cope cope

>>280476058
He had no idea, that's not even her jacket.

>>280465641
It's so fucking weird seeing Vicious smile or look normal, this is what bitches do to a man.

>>280476374
That was her jacket. Nice try.

>>280476058
>the same scene 2 seconds later proves anon wrong
OH NO NO NO

>>280476451
That's what the flunky said. Vicious knew better. He never goes after Spike and sits on his ass from that point on

>>280476550
because he knows they can't escape the planet
he thinks Julia is alive

>>280476058
>>280476451
Spike has no where to return to once Julia is dead. The line is taken from Golden Slumbers by the Beatles.

>Once, there was a way
>To get back homeward
>Once, there was a way
>To get back home
>Sleep, pretty darling, do not cry
>And I will sing a lullaby

It's the song that plays before You're Gonna Carry that Weight.

>>280476644
probably the dumbest post itt yet

>>280476677
It's an obvious reference. Sad you missed it.

>>280476402
He was smiling because of Julia. Just like Spike was. But that's the thing. You cannot force someone to be with you. The normal thing would have been to let her go, but Vicious was not normal. He was a cuck with a bird.

>>280476192
https://web.archive.org/web/20021129123351/http://cowboybebop.org/session/chara/index.html

Jet and Edward are the only good guys in this show. The rest ia scum

>>280476814
>He was smiling because of Julia. Just like Spike was.
nah they used to be bros until that thot came between them

>>280478670
This moment shows that their true happiness was linked to Julia. Spike turned on Vicious because he realized what a snake he was. Spike also seduced Julia.

>>280478858
>. Spike turned on Vicious because he realized what a snake he was. Spike also seduced Julia.
Imo Vicious turned on Spike because he softened after meeting Julia and he really hated that, he feels betrayed by Spike renouncing the life of violence they shared together.

>>280458318
BASED FPBP

>>280458318
>>280475949
>>280479391
Why are incels like this? Oh yeah, right.

>>280479578
t.whore

>>280458318
that's why for me it's little girls

>>280479101
That definitely added to it. But he had already partly turned on him by that point.

>>280478360
Jet is a literal pedophile

>>280479623
But I am pure.

>>280479649
t. pedo

>>280479687
That's only hinted not confirmed, I'm sure Spike thinks so but I like to think Vicious was innocent here which only adds to the tragedy of what follows.

>>280479814
>I like to think Vicious was innocent
Anon...

>>280479845
Do you think he's just evil for the sake of it? There's a moment during Jupiter Jazz where the music box plays in his ship where he makes that gasp and reminisces suggested he cared about Grenn - - who I always took as symbolic amalgam of Spike and Julia right down to the hermaphorditism.

>>280479960
He was always a bad person deep down and chose to become an even worse person. He was motivated by grievances and ambition. Vicious ruined himself and he ruined his relationships with Spike and Julia. The drug use did not help matters either.

>>280479960
>reminisces suggested he cared about Grenn - - who I always took as symbolic amalgam of Spike and Julia right down to the hermaphorditism.
That is complete bullshit. He never cared about Gren and set him up.

>>280479814
I think the point is no one is innocent. Vincent was wronged but he couldn't see past his own feelings to consider what was best for Spike and Julia or contemplate a new possibility for himself.

>>280480154
I disagree for the reasons stated. Again I'll ask, you guys think he's just evil because he's evil? He's a nihilist lashing out. Hell, he confided more in Grenn than anyone else in the whole series during that brief exchange in Jupiter Jazz. I genuinely believe he feels outraged and betrayed by Spike and Julia. Think about what he says during that arc
"there is nothing to believe in" "you were always the one excluding me" etc... He even uses Julia's name as a codeword for his drug deals. And why does he need the drugs? To cope with being a sad fag, to help immerse himself in violence.

>>280480120
He chose to become worse precisely to try and deny his connection with Spike. I mean, Spike is a terrible person too or at least was before he "bled all that blood away" but obviously that's not all he is or could be. It's too reductive for Vicious to be evil for sake of it.

>>280480426
At no point is Vicious ever shown caring about Gren. He even smiles when Gren calls him out for what he did to him. Only when Gren reveals that Julia figured out his scheme does the smug smile fall from Vicious's face. Vicious may feel outraged and betrayed because Spike and Julia fell in love. However, that only goes to show what a weak shit he is. Julia did not love him. The syndicate did not want him as their successor. Vicious could not accept this and had to ruin everyone's lives, including his own, because he got his fee fees hurt.

>>280480684
No he obviously cared about Grenn he reminisces about him when he hears the music box go off and thinks he's about to die.

And he smiles because he thinks Grenn has become suspicious and misanthropic like him to suspect the gift, he's all about racing to the bottom and unapologetically being the worst you can be, he smiled because he thought for a moment maybe Grenn was as bad as he was.

Consider this line, he continues talking to himself after the shootout with Grenn.

>>280480864
I always figured Vicious betrayed Gren because he wanted to destroy that unchecked naivety and optimism that looked up to him, he's definitely full of self-loathing.

>>280480864
Gren is the one that cared. Vicious did not give a fuck. Vicious smiled because he was called out on his betrayal of Gren. He didn’t have the decency to feel anything but glee for the harm that he caused Gren.

>>280481394
ok but now can you try reading the posts you're replying to

>>280481568
I did. You are just making things up. At no point in there entire anime is it ever hinted at that Vicious cared about Gren. Gren even calls him out on this. He pretended to be his friend only to set him up.

>>280481847
ok but now can you try reading the posts you're replying to

>>280482337
You keep lying so what's the point?