What are examples of blatant lies and misinfo regarding manga treated as fact by fandoms? Things like
>Toriyama was forced by fan letters wanting Goku back to change the protagonist(myth created by American Gohan fags)
>Josuke’s savior was himself(confirmed to be false by Araki in an interview)

>trusting anything Araki says

I really hope this image is fake. Too damn zesty.

Haruna being based on Yabuki's wife.

>>280508408 (OP)
Kishimoto made Madara too strong to beat so he made Kaguya the final villain instead. Kaguya was stupid but this theory might be stupider.

>>280510461
This might be the biggest one. It was reposted so often and for so long that everyone started believing it.

Funny part is that Yabuki did base a character on a real person: Mikan, based on his own little sister. He talks about it in the tanks.

>>280508408 (OP)
Mari being based on Anno Moyoko

>>280508408 (OP)
Araki dissing Watsuki.
The fact that the immortal vampire Araki is losing his eyesight and grip strength is not the same as I dislike this pdf.

>>280508408 (OP)
Gunbuster being in black and white due to Gainax running out of money to pay for cel ink.

>>280508408 (OP)
Not exactly manga, but I remember during the last world cup people saying that the Japanese uniform was designed by the artist of Blue Lock. That one was especially dumb.

>>280508408 (OP)
>Oda regrets debuting crocodile so early
This has any source whatsoever

>>280511606
It's always the "ran out of money" rumors with Gainax, same with NGE.

>>280514078
isn't that just because the eva one became so pervasive that people started applying it to everything

>>280514121
Don't know, but it wouldn't surprise me.

>>280511137
>The fact that the immortal vampire Araki is losing his eyesight and grip strength is not the same as I dislike this pdf.
Dude, there's a difference between losing eyesight and grip strength and just not giving a shit.
Anyone saying Araki wasn't doing one of his classic dismissive insults with that piece is lying to themselves- he didn't even bother making sure lines that had to be straight (like the diamonds shapes on the sword grip) were straight and there were still visible sketch marks.

>>280508408 (OP)
>Toriyama planned to end Dragon Ball at Freeza or Cell
Any "Toriyama planned to end it here" rumours are inevitably fake.
The only "planned ending" was volume 7, you can tell because that's where the first bit of spine art ends and would account for a bit over a year of serialization.
>Fullmetal Alchemist 2003 was faithful until it decided to go anime original halfway through
If you actually pay attention, FMA03 changes a lot in just the first episode- namely Rose's race, which ties into what the rest of the show ends up being about. Beyond that though, Barry and copious amounts of filler all occur very early on and the entire start of the show is reframed chronologically, including moving events like the train and Nina to before Edward joins the military.
>Anno left after KareKano 19
This is just fake. He simply switched to having his name be written in katakana in the credits.

>>280514271
So he didn't plant to end it at the Buu saga?

>>280514328
Honestly, probably not.
Toriyama basically let the story go off on its own and he decided what to do primarily based on if he enjoyed writing it, hence dropping Gohan as the main character in favor of bringing back Goku.
He probably just decided to end it with Boo because that's where he felt like stopping.

>>280514328
Toriyama is always writing so that he could end it at any time.
>Piccolo's gone. Should I end here? I'll timeskip.
>Yup. Freeza's dead. This ends it.
>editor-san: plzz toriyama stay I beg u
>Cell's dead.
>editor-san: toriyama... think of our magazine..the good times...
>Buu's gone. Eoz epilogue. It's fucking over get over it.
>*super happens*

>>280514933
I always the got impression from reading the manga that he was at the height of his boredom during the later parts of the Freeza arc. Then the Cell arc felt like he really went all out in trying to end everything with it, but of course the manga still didn't end. The Buu arc was when he finally couldn't bear it anymore and just phoned everything in.

>>280509416
Nothing zesty about drinking with your bro

The idea that Eva "ran out of budget"
The idea that Anno "left Kare Kano"
The idea that Redline "bankrupted its studio"
The idea that Angel's Egg was about Oshii "losing his faith"
The idea that Cowboy Bebop "wasn't successful in Japan" (or Ghost Stories for that matter)
There's a billion of these and people just keep parroting them even after they've been debunked. I suspect the whole King of the Hill "sub vs. dub debate" is fake as well.

>>280508408 (OP)
>"SAO isn't based on games, wdym why? my fave youtuber said so"
>"hey what if the author of [blatant game flopnime] didn't play games? no proof just trust me guis"

>>280514078
They really did run out of money with Kare Kano, though.

>>280508408 (OP)
Arakawa sabotaging 03

>>280515553
Absolutely. The "[extremely popular series] wasn't actually popular in Japan" rumor is horseshit 99% percent of the time. Some western anime fans have this hipster brainrot that compels them to believe everything they like is actually super obscure. The only example of it being kind of true (that I can think of) is The Big O, but I think that was because it originally aired on some paid premium channel nobody had. My understanding is that it's been rebroadcasted a few times since then and is now decently popular.

>>280508408 (OP)
Masamune Shirow's wife dying in the Kobe Earthquake is a very common explanation given for him giving up on manga creation and just switching to making artbooks, pin ups, and hentai comics.
Except this is literally just based on a misreading of a single unsourced article written by a random lady that just passively mentioned the guy while talking about other stuff.
There is no actual 'explanation' as though there'd need to be for a guy that got rich young in a very brutal industry.

>>280514184

we had a couple funny threads when everyone saw that Kenshin sketch. some people re-did it in 5 minutes with a tablet and mspaint and it looked better than what Araki put out.

>>280508408 (OP)
>Josuke’s savior was himself(confirmed to be false by Araki in an interview)
This second one was more of fan theory than a "blatant lie of misinformation" unless you claim people were saying it was canon and confirmed by word of god; I had the exact same idea and expected that type of reveal or something of the sort, back then, that doesn't mean I went around telling people my uncle works in Araki's apartment and knows it to be true.

>>280508408 (OP)
>Tsuzuki was surprised people didn't like the Huckebein
Claim has been peddled for years in the Nanoha fandom and has not once ever been cited.

>>280509355
To begin with the story of Josuke's savior was some weird telling of events by Koichi who admits he wasn't even listening to Josuke when he first told it because he didn't believe him. He says he's filling it the gaps with his own assumptions and he was so unsure of it's validity it didn't even show up when Rohan used Heaven's Door to read what Koichi knew about Josuke. I dunno why people took that flashback so seriously.

>>280508408 (OP)
>Togashi doesn't have assistants in Hunter x Hunter.
He has several. There are videos showing them.
>Oda planned One Piece from the beginning.
Many ideas came from editors, like Shanks losing his arm.
>Horikoshi changed the ending of MHA because of fan rejection.
American bullshit. There was no change at all, just an extension of the same concepts.
>Gotougue is a woman
This has never been confirmed.

>>280514271
>>280514328
>>280514366
>>280514933
>>280515284
Toriyama never even wanted to be a manga artist. Dr. Slump and Dragon Ball were only made because the editor insisted. If it were up to him, they would have ended at chapter 1 lol.

>>280508408 (OP)
Why would Gohan fags want teen Gohan to be so unlikable fan letters forced Goku back? That doesn't make any sense.

>>280515553
>King of the Hill "sub vs. dub debate"
I suspected this to be fake as well because of how much I've seen it repeated verbatim all over the English-speaking internet yet never seen any screenshots or archive links. And isolated pieces of info repeated verbatim on the internet usually raise red flags for me. After doing some investigation myself by searching "キング・オブ・ザ・ヒル 字幕 吹き替え", my conclusion is at some point a westerner stumbled upon a single thread discussing the show (most likely this one https://medaka.5ch.net/test/read.cgi/cartoon/1189867796/l50?v=pc) and then vastly exaggerated the popularity of the show in the country and how much of a "controversy" the sub vs dub discussion was, similar to how modern journos see a single twitter thread and then write headlines like "Gen Z is afraid of the poop emoji".

By the way, what do you think of the popular notion that Anno hated otakus and that the message of Evangelion was to tell his fans to touch grass? Is there any truth to it?

>>280517802
Fan myopia. They want to identify themselves with the mangaka, putting themselves on the side of Truth and infallibility (my opinion = facts). If there's anything they don't like, it has to be the fault of outside factors like dumdum fans who don't know what's good like they do.

>>280517802
It’s to push the idea that Gohan was forced out as the MC because of rabid Japanese Goku fans and not because Toriyama decided he wouldn’t work as the MC of a fighting series which it returned to after saiyaman. It’s funny because Toriyama never cared about fan letters

Any "fan pressure forced the mangaka to do x" shit are obviously lies and pure cope. If anything is going to force a mangaka to pivot his or her story, it’s the editors not random fan complaints

>>280519003
>By the way, what do you think of the popular notion that Anno hated otakus and that the message of Evangelion was to tell his fans to touch grass? Is there any truth to it?

NTA but I've always considered that to be pure horseshit and so blatantly incorrect that I'm amazed it's still spread around. I'd agree that Eva's core message, if simplified to the most absurd degree is "touch grass", but non-retarded it's more just "human connection is important, even if it hurts sometimes, we have to continue being human and living with one another", it's a deeply sympathetic and kind narrative presented harshly. It's doneso because Anno is a massive otaku and probably knows this pain firsthand.

>>280519003
>what do you think of the popular notion that Anno hated otakus and that the message of Evangelion was to tell his fans to touch grass?
Anno is the biggest otaku on Earth, Gainax was a studio founded by otaku, and their anime explicitly cater to otaku interests. The idea that Anno "hated otaku" is completely unfounded, especially when Eva and so much of Anno's other work pay homage to the various anime and tokusatsu shows that Anno is such a huge fan of. The message of Eva definitely centres on the importance of human connection, but people act like it was him lecturing his fans to "touch grass" when so much of it was rooted in his own experiences and mental state.

>CSM’s part 1 art was only good because of assistants
These people don’t even understand what assistants do and early part 2 had good art. The art only fell off after falling devil. The fall off is more due to fujimoto being burned out and losing passion. The thickness of the line art completely changed. Fujimoto changed his pen and got lazy

The Ghost Stories dub happened because it failed in Japan. Will lose my shit if I see that shit repeated one more time. I never want to see a gag dub ever happen again

>>280515553
>The idea that Redline "bankrupted its studio"
Well, it only made one fourth of what it cost to make. That certainly caused trouble and might as well be interpreted as bankruptcy.
>>280508408 (OP)
That entire Hayao Miyazaki interview that just got wrong subs put on screenshots.

>editors created Sasuke
In reality this just means, Kishimoto was told to create a rival character. Every core aspect of Sasuke was all Kishi

Rohan isn’t Araki’s self-insert, but he is an outlet for him to talk about his manga process.
Jorge Joestar is a shitpost LN through and through and anyone trying to bring it up in discussion is a wiki-skimmer incapable of recognizing it.
Araki also loves dogs, which is why dog abuse is immediate shorthand for villainy.
Joseph is not faking dementia, he’s genuinely out of it but stimulation and parental responsibilities give him a direction in life. It’s why old people with pets live longer.

A lot of Western One Piece fans believe that Enel was modeled/based off of Eminem even though Oda has literally never said that was the case and has never made any references to support it. Oda has referenced real life celebrities in his designs before, but he's usually pretty open about it.
The only correlation that Enel and Eminem have is that he's a white guy with blonde hair and Eminem was popular around the time Skypeia started. Both of those are circumstantial at best but people still regularly say he's based off of Eminem as a piece of trivia or "fun fact".

Don’t know if this qualifies but the idea that Yamcha was somehow cool and a respected character that was ruined by internet memes. Yamcha never even won a single important fight in the series. In his intro despite coming off as a badass bandit, he’s afraid of girls and loses to a child. He then had the designated jobber role where he lost to the final boss or someone close to it to hype them up. Even Yamcha’s Japanese VA said that his character was always letting Goku and Krillin down. He was never anything special. If anything all the memes have led to him getting all sorts of ironic fans

>>280514328
By then, he had a much more lax editor in Fuyuto Takeda. All he asked for was more Mr. Satan content, so the rest of the Buu saga was just Toriyama doing things as he wanted, which definitely explains the tone.

>>280520221
I'm pretty sure that most of the people who think that Yamcha used to be a serious character or strong fighter never actually watched Dragonball, but they just feel the need to defend him out of pity or irony or something. Whenever people point out how much he got his ass kicked even back in DB, they usually have no comeback.
Yajirobe legitimately had a better track record than Yamcha in DB.

>>280508408 (OP)
Is this Araki? Who is the guy on the right?

>>280519948
I always heard Kishi came up with Sasuke in a few days by mostly reworking a rival character that would eventually become an ally, since a big chunk of the Uchiha backstory was already written. Also that the character that would've been Sasuke was replaced by Gaara who does essentially the same thing.

>>280520297
Dai Amon, gag mangaka of Taizou Mote King Saga. Character in it is constantly dressed as Jolyne.

>Sasuke is Kishimoto’s self insert
>No, Naruto is
>it’s actually Itachi
>wrong, it’s shikamaru
Everyone likes to say this character or that character is the author’s main self insert when arguing over a character who they believed is getting wanked too hard. I think it’s clear Kishimoto put aspects of himself in multiple characters.

>Eren is a cuckold and turned into a bird
Pretty wild how is this treated as fact when it never happened in canon solely because people hated the ending so much. It’s like they want to make up reasons to hate it more

>>280517319
the flashback shown will still be from the past, unchanged, unaffected by koichi
araki also said that it was from josuke's memory

>>280520325
Thanks! Never heard of him or his manga.

>>280520382
>naruto
>naruto's clone #1 (tsunade's little brother)
>naruto's clone #2 (yahiko)
>naruto's clone #3 (obito)
>and a bunch of other ugly untalented losers
it's this, and
>fair-looking and talented but self-righteous dickhead
>always ends up getting corrected by ugly untalented losers
definitely not this

>>280515553
>The idea that Angel's Egg was about Oshii "losing his faith"
Redpill me on this one?

>Goku never obsessed over fighting and prioritized it before super
Super may go overboard with his stupidity but the guy let Vegeta escape because he wanted to fight him again. He gave Cell a senzu to make it a fair fight as well. Goku’s pursuit of strength has always been selfish. He’s an accidental hero. Plus, people need to accept that Toriyama will write a character being smart, dumb, heroic, or unheroic depending on the moment. Things Krillin not killing 18 because of a kiss or Gohan pacifist change during cell come to mind

>>280520405
mikasa had a child though
but copers will say it's adopted

>>280515553
>The idea that Eva "ran out of budget"
seems like it, as they went with episode 25 and 26 with no animations

>>280520569
That was mostly due to time constraints. Money wasn't as much of an issue.
Damn shame they couldn't just push it back one week.

>>280520405
The bird thing is deliberately ambiguous, especially in the anime with the ED and how Eren and Armin talk about where they might go after death. Birds always represented freedom in the series with the survey corps and all that so it may just be a metaphor. Could go either way

>>280520593
>could do it on time with all the previous episodes
>but not the last two
budget factor makes the most sense here

>>280519877
All isekai, shounen, and haremshit should get gagdubs.
'tis what they deserve

>>280520279
It's mostly just jumbled memories form childhood (because that's the last time anyone who ever claims that shit has watched DB) and attributing his few anime only feats to canon.

>>280508408 (OP)
>lies
Rebecca from CP Manga is not a loli.

>>280519856
he's mentally ill yes.

>>280520405
>It’s like they want to make up reasons to hate it more
That's pretty much what happens. A lot of misconceptions mentioned in this thread spread because they feed into and reinforce a person's existing beliefs/feelings about a work or its author. If you hate a manga or its author, you're more inclined to believe stories that discredit it (even if they don't make sense when put under scrutiny). The opposite is also true.

>>280520814
>>280520405
Eren is a cuck. get over it.
NTR fiction is great btw. frankly the best part of the shit pile that was AOT.

>>280519877
>>280515553
>Ghost Stories
This one is personally is the most offensive to me because of how common this lie is and that I believed it.

This is a general one
>Japs don’t like series that aren’t explicitly Japanese or have a Japanese lead
Two of the best selling manga ever have nothing to do with Japanese culture or Japanese leads in FMA and SnK.

>>280516166
isekai smartphone

>>280520723
>budget factor makes the most sense here
No, absolutely not.
First of all, budget of an anime series is quite fluid.
Before the series even start the sponsors and financial backers already allocate the total sum of expected expenses; then the staff signs a contract regarding their role and how much they'll get paid, and their total paycheck is already in the allocated sum. If, in rare cases, the studio has some financial troubles due to unforeseen causes (an animator has to be replaced, for example) the backers in 99% will cover the expenses and ask for a refound after the end of the working title (it would be stupid to lose 100% of the investment for a minor extra expense).
The only way this can go bad is if every (or the main) financial backer goes bankrupt before the end of the contract; EVA had fucking Sony as a backer so this is ridiculus.
EVA's production was absurdly behind schedule due to a variety of reasons, mainly Anno changing the script a lot.
This can be easily seen by looking at the previews at the end of the latter episodes.
In the TV broadcast of EP 22 and 23 they were so behind that they had to use photos of the storyboards for the nect EP preview.
This was not an artistic choice and was modified in the home video release

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ebTsqqdHYQ&ab_channel=Shinji%27sTears

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dwc3fqpC2KU&ab_channel=Shinji%27sTears

EP 24 preview of EP 25 was the same, but as you can see it shows scenes that were never in the TV finale: it's storyboards for what would become End of Eva, which was the intended ending but the production was so behind schedule that it became impossible to finish in time, so they had to improvise with the stylized and mostly voices-on-still-frames TV ending

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MGLGWMIZlNU&ab_channel=Giglamox

>Japs dislike Steel Ball Run

>>280511606
>running out of money to pay for cel ink.
This is so stupid it hurts, it's basically an admission of ignorance on how animation is made.
Cells are transparent, they have to pay for the paint either way, it's not like fucking live action where color film was more expensive.

>>280519003
>By the way, what do you think of the popular notion that Anno hated otakus and that the message of Evangelion was to tell his fans to touch grass? Is there any truth to it?
It's a half-truth. Anno was severely depressed after Nadia and the following 3 years of trying to get Aoki Uru off the ground and according to himself was kinda frustrated with the state of Japan, the anime industry and how his own generation of Otaku turned out, this is most likely just a projection of what he felt about himself. Eva itself isn't hateful at all tho, it's more like a self-help book, someone who calls himself an otaku turning to his fellow otaku and going "brothers, we can be happy if we try". Eva itself embraces its roots and Anno would go on to become the almost defacto stereotype of an otaku, something he wears in his sleeve and celebrates.
Anno himself did discribe it as "a bucket of water for otaku" but it's more about the anti-social and self-destructive tendencies associated with it. The problem isn't being a huge fan of otaku media, but shutting yourself off from friends and family to obsess over it. Using media to run away from reality and your problems, that's where the issue lies and critiques or self-aware jokes about this aspect aren't unique to Anno, they have been wide-spread since at least the 80s in the Otaku sphere itself. Gainax' own Otaku no Video talked about this even more directly than Eva did.
Pic. related from the 2003 Kodansha FRAMES interview with Anno

Hey wait a minute, why should I trust the anons in this thread and not others?
most of you didn't post evidence wtf

>>280508408 (OP)
This image op posted lol, it wasn't toriyama in the pic but a mangaka called dai amon who was friends with araki

>>280508408 (OP)
>The entire persona of Hayao Miyazaki that the West has created from fake statements, made-up assumptions, misunderstandings and blatant lies
>Everything that has to do with "budget" and the process of the animation/manga industry in general
>What lolicon even means and its history
>What moe even means and its history
>Miura stopped working because he became obsessed with Idolm@ster
>What seinen, shounen, shoujo etc etc even mean in the context of manga
>The Ghost Stories USA gag dub fiesta
>Manga/anime with a lot of American/European influences that is popular in the West was not liked in Japan because it wasn't Japanese enough
>That "studios" are a monolith and not (for the most part, rare exceptions notwithstanding) a financial/managerial entity and 80% of people that work in anime (animators, directors etc) are freelancers
>Manga/anime isn't political or has little references to the real life contemporary political and social discourse
>Mamoru Oshii was a Christian that lost his faith and thus made Tenshi No Tamago
>Almost everything that has to do with what otaku are, do and the history of such diverse micro-subculture
>every time something is called a deconstruction of an anime/manga genre
>Madoka killed the mahou shoujo
>Akira is animated at 24 FPS of full animation (instead of, you know, each cut having proper timing)
>Redline took 7 years to animate
>almost everything about mecha and its history
>Gunbuster was in black & white for lack of budget

People don’t actually believe Araki suffered a stroke during part 8, do they?

>>280508408 (OP)
Shaman King being Axed
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oblTgr_-2Rw

>>280508408 (OP)
The one that truly opened my eyes to how ignorant the average anime watcher is to the anime industry is
>Toei is losing money and going bankrupt
This one was especially popular during Dressrosa
>>280519948
>>280520382
The most egregious Naruto lie will always be
>Naruto was about hard work vs. talent
>>280520874
I'll give you a better one
>This series isn't popular here so it isn't popular in Japan
/a/nons are guilty of this as well

>>280521335
>>Miura stopped working because he became obsessed with Idolm@ster
What other explanation can there be?

>>280521501
He was working on another manga called gigantomachy which had the same level of detailed art.

>>280510646
kaguya is an asspull and we all know the purpose of asspulls is to get out of a situation
which situation in this case? "madara strong" situation

>>280508408 (OP)
>Ichigo 100% winner of the harem was decided by popularity poll
Series never had a popularity poll
https://twitter.com/m_momokuri/status/847088007488331776
Even the mangaka talked about this

>>280521562
She was stronger than Madara though, he could have just had Naruto and Sasuke team up to beat him instead. Seems obvious Kaguya was added to set up a potential sequel. It sucks not just because the final portion of the war sucked but because Kaguya could have been a good villain if she was built up beforehand

>>280521501
1) he was working for Gigantomachia, thus his work output was divided
2) switched to digital and became even more obsessed with details, making production even slower
3) had been working non-stop for 20+ years and was not a young pup anymore

Toriyama’s "hatred" of fight scenes and supposed eventual dislike over dragon ball seem over exaggerated to me. The grind of weekly schedule is what probably made him lose passion rather than hating the actual story. He even came back to work on it after years, it’s still his biggest success. Plus, for a guy who was skilled at drawing fights, loved Jackie Chan movies, and even wanted DB to have kung fu elements before completely shifting to big battles, how much could he have hated fighting manga in reality. Again, the grind of drawing is what he may have hated than the actual fights themselves. This is just my theory

>>280514328
>So he didn't plant to end it at the Buu saga?

>>280521554
>>280521617
>Gigantomachia
That's probably not it. While the art is very nice, Manlet & Pee Loli was:
- A single volume.
- Released in 2013-2014, and was published in four months. That would partly explain the delays between volumes 36-38, but his output had been slowing down since 2007. Even being generous and assuming Gigantomachia was created over a period of years well prior to 2013, the hiatus continued well into 2016
-The art's detailed, and it's still Miura's style, but it's not noticeably an "every frame a masterpiece" level of superhuman effort, at least in my pleb eyes.

I'd say
>had been working non-stop for 20+ years [on the same series] and was not a young pup anymore
is a more likely culprit.

>>280521572
the big boobs slut got a sort of sequel manga though?
so that slut was author's fav?

>>280521424
>Shaman King being Axed
i always thought it dragged on too long. like most shonens.

There's an odd misconception over Toei in the early-mid 2010s, during the whole Toriko/Dressrosa/DBS era (you guys remember, right) where people insisted that Toei was running out of budget and longrunners were unsustainable or something, and that's really not what happened.
I'd say the more likely culprit was a cycling in and out of staff with that particular era being a pretty bad time for production deadlines. In particular, we know exactly what happened with Dragon Ball Super- it's a short story so I'll lay it out here
>2013 - Dragon Ball Z: Kami to Kami is released.
>2013 - Dragon Ball Z Movie 15 enters production
>2014 - Movie 15 is officially unveiled as Fukkatsu no F
2014 - Dragon Ball Kai returns to its sister time slot with One Piece to fulfill contractual obligations Toei has with the time slot holders
>March 2015 - Fukkatsu no F wraps production
>April 2015 - Fukkatsu no F officially releases
>April 2015 - A new Dragon Ball TV anime is announced to replace Dragon Ball Kai due to pressures, again, from those holding the time slot
>June 2015 - Dragon Ball Super begins airing
If you were paying attention- that's 3 months between the likely end of Fukkatsu no F's production and DBS being ready to release. That's why it both looked like shit and for the first 7 months of its airing only went through movie materials. They literally did not have the time to draft out the new character designs, get new VAs, do all the world design stuff, etc. that was required for the Universe 6 arc, and that's why DBS looked really bad for the first year of its production. I'm honestly amazed it recovered at all.

>>280521951
>The art's detailed, and it's still Miura's style, but it's not noticeably an "every frame a masterpiece" level of superhuman effort, at least in my pleb eyes.
It's not just the level of detail.
The complexity of each panel got way up with time.
If your read the early years of Berserk the page layout was much more influenced by Tetsuo Hara and could be read much quicker compared to the last decade.
If a Golden Age panel with only dialogue could be read in about 30 seconds the equivalent in Millennium Falcon would require 45 seconds, and in Fantasia even a full minute on average. Same for action panels, and the evolution of complexity requires more time before even the drawing start, from the storyboard.

>>280521587
naruto and sasuke "killed" kaguya by just touching her with their palms
madara is harder to beat

>>280521335
I applaud you

>>280519003
>how modern journos see a single twitter thread and then write headlines like "Gen Z is afraid of the poop emoji".

i literally got banned by a frenchman on discord for using a poop emoji on a post.
because it's somehow "racist".
i put a poop emoji on someone who posted a Blizzard game remake.
zoomers are cancerous.
inb5 >>>/v/

>>280519003
>my conclusion is at some point a westerner stumbled upon a single thread discussing the show and then vastly exaggerated the popularity of the show in the country
This happens with A LOT of stuff.
Someone will say that some foreign/western thing is "super popular" in Japan and then when asked for proof or source they'll maybe post like one thread from a forum talking about it or like a Twitter post and act like that somehow represents the majority of Japan's feelings towards said thing.

>>280521335
>80% of people that work in anime (animators, directors etc) are freelancers
Heh. I watched Shirobako, so I knew this.

Something that I've always been skeptical about is the claim that "japan doesn't care about canon" I've never actually seen any proof of that aside from isolated instances of specific anime things being noncanon.

>>280521424
>it didn't get axed, it just left the magazine it was published in after princess hao, one of the stupidest non endings in manga history, and then 4 years later he did more chapters that continued from that point as if nothing happened which led to a more conclusive ending.

if it wasn't axed and he didn't have some illness he never decided to tell anyone about then he's a real psychopath for doing this, especially after all the B tier character fights B tier character arcs he was padding the last tournament with

>>280521501
https://news.denfaminicogamer.jp/interview/190709a
>三浦先生は『アイドルマスター』【※】をすごく遊ばれていると、僕らの業界で伝え聞いているんですけど（笑）。
>『アイドルマスター』は、自分で言っちゃったせいで有名になっちゃって困っているんです（笑）。でも僕がやっていたのは、最初の『アイドルマスター』だけなんですよ。
He only cared about it when it first came out in 2007, and that's because it was a meme on NicoNico. Everything about him being obsessed with it or causing manga delays is a fake meme.

>>280522787
Generally, a lot of works that have canon debates are works that don't really have what one could call a "canon" in the more common western sense.
For example, you'll see this a lot with Dragon Ball. The following were all written by Toriyama, thus, theoretically, making them canon:
>Dragon Ball (manga)
>Neko Majin (manga)
>Dragon Ball: Yo! Son Goku and His Friends Return (OVA)
>Dragon Ball Online (Game, Setting and Timeline)
>The Galactic Patrolman Trilogy (Manga)
>Dragon Ball Minus (Manga)
>Dragon Ball: Kami to Kami (Movie)
>Dragon Ball: Fukkatsu no F (Movie)
>Dragon Ball Super (Anime)
>Dragon Ball Super (Manga)
>Dragon Ball Super: Broly & Super Hero (Movies)
>Dragon Ball Daima (Anime)
Now, if you're familiar with DB, you'll realize something.
This doesn't work.
Neko Majin has Vegeta working for Freeza but it's set after End of Z.
Dragon Ball Online gives a full timeline of events that absolutely does not work with later stories.
Dragon Ball Super's anime and manga are contradictory to each other constantly, and also contradict the two movies that started that phase of Dragon Ball.
And Dragon Ball Daima was recently infamous for introducing a new transformation that Goku always had and could access, before the events of Dragon Ball Super.

This isn't even going into how Toei made an official timeline that goes
>Dragon Ball
>Dragon Ball Z
>Dragon Ball Super
>Dragon Ball GT
Or how titles spinning off of Online just say "EVERYTHING is canon", or that GT includes references to the Z films, or that the Dragon Ball Super anime includes a contradiction from DBZ Movie 4 that is disproven by the Boo arc, and so on and so on.

But yeah, canon doesn't really matter for a lot of stuff. It can matter, but if you're looking at franchises it usually doesn't unless they're really western influenced (big one in that regard is Resident Evil, which has 30 years of history where it tries to maintain the idea that everything is one storyline).

>>280522787
I guess recently with something like Gqx because of how it concerns alternate timelines there was plenty of Japanese discussion about the idea of 正史, but I think more generally the question of the 'canonicity' of every little thing in a series is more of a western thing.

>>280520916
Time is a resource that needs to be budgeted, I'm so tired of this nitpicking over what "running out of budget" means.

>>280523851
anon, it's really not that ambiguous a term
https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/budget
>the amount of money you have available to spend
If someone means time, they'd say time budget.

>>280523963
> [ C ] mainly US
an amount of something such as time or effort that you have allowed for something in your plans:

>>280522787
Japanese audiences are much more receptive to omake shit, crossovers, spinoffs, anime/manga-only scenes/characters and the like, yes. But it's not really because they don't care about canon, it's just that their autism is directed towards other aspects such as which studio is animating what manga and who is going to direct it.

>>280519865
Its honestly believable only because ever since Fire Punch, Fujimoto's manga have progressively gotten worse in the art department and we keep seeing former assistants start their own series while having familiar art styles that are demonstrably higher fidelity.
Most assistant work is regarding backgrounds, but CSM has always been one of those series where you have very detailed backgrounds and cartoonish simple characters composited together. And people tend to say that newer CSM even has worse backgrounds than what came before.

>>280520315
>since a big chunk of the Uchiha backstory was already written
I doubt it.
The series introduces it piecemeal and in a way that makes prior character actions in a world where it'd be common knowledge irrational or confusing.

>>280521562
>>280522161
Retard.
The reason Kaguya exists is obvious. It ties into the movie and Boruto, that's pretty much it.

>>280520947
For many Americans it is literally the only part of Jojo they read in full, and when they see that it is a middle of the pack part to Japanese fans they overreact and then come up with big theories of why the Japanese 'hate' it.

>>280515553
>The idea that Cowboy Bebop "wasn't successful in Japan"
That's people misunderstanding that Cowboy Bebop was fairly successful in Japan but is not the universally beloved classic it is in the west.

>>280524311
A lot of artists get worse over time and assistants better than the chief artist isn't surprising either.
I think Fujimoto's assistants getting spotlight might be a result of Lin's efforts, Endou and Kaku have been in the industry for decades without much success before FP

>>280517742
>Oda planned One Piece from the beginning.
>Many ideas came from editors, like Shanks losing his arm.
This are not mutually exlusive, planning something doesn't mean you have every single detail prepared, just that you know the general direction and important points

>>280524415
>For many Americans it is literally the only part of Jojo they read in full,
Doubtful.
Even in the sense of "They watch the anime and then start reading the manga", it was more prevalent to just move from Part 4 to Part 5 (and later Part 6 when that took several years to come out) rather than just starting from Part 7.
But Part 7's not being as popular is a mix of factors:
>Part 6 is the least popular part
You can actually prove this. There's a rather infamous video showing characters that would be appearing in All Star Battle during an event in Japan, and you can HEAR people getting really quiet when they start showing Part 6. It's especially bad since it came after the Part 5 cast, which is among Japan's two favourite JoJo parts (at least at the time).
>Part 7 wasn't JoJo
At the start it wasn't called that, simple as.
>It's a period piece in America
Wild West isn't unpopular in Japan, but it's far less evocative for a lot of readers than Part 5's Italy, Part 4's small-town Japan, or Part 3's globetrotting.
>It switched magazines
Probably the most real issue. It went from a continuous weekly release in Jump to a monthly release in Ultra Jump.

>>280519856
You only nerds can't hate on other nerds when that's usually the default, yes, even for Otaku.
That said, no I don't think Eva it's about Otaku.

>>280524666
Part 7 has sat alone at the top of Mangadex or MyAnimeList for a very long time far away from any other Jojo part, and there are tons of forum threads online of people asking, "Can I just start with Part 7?", and getting told that they can because it's a new universe and the old canon is irrelevant.
It absolutely is the first and potentially only Jojo part for a substantial percentage of its readerbase who don't want to read 80 volumes of the first universe, but want to skip to the 'good part' that has the highest ranking on every Western manga tracker.

>>280521410
No, I think Araki just got lazy with both his art and stories and realized he enjoyed writing TSKR more than JoJo.

>Japan NEVER recasts voice actors! If a voice actor dies or gets into trouble, they'd sooner retire the character!
Shut the fuck up, god damn

Just because they aren't as expendable as random dubfaggots doesn't mean the contracts are written in blood

>>280520221
>>280520279
>>280520783
Well, even when Yamcha was losing he was still stated and/or shown to be relatively skilled, but overall this a kneejerk reaction to his treatment getting worse over the course of the manga, like how people say "201X was a good year!" even though it wasn't but they remember it fondly due to currently living something worse.

>>280520382
Shikamaru is sexist, smart and has a dark sense of humor.
Nobody has the self-insert claim like he does.

>Mx0 was a potential masterpiece that was axed prematurely
Kanou already ran out of ideas by the time it happened, seems to be a pattern with his works

>>280519856
I don't believe Anno hates otakus but it's clear from Thrice Upon A Time he just wants people to get over Eva. The entire film is full of warped fascimiles of stuff from End/TV and the throughline seems to be "joining a communist fishing village and settling down in the real world is better for you than whatever the fuck you're doing with your life right now".

>>280521562
>Madara is too strong
>So in order to get rid of him, i will create an even stronger antagonist!

>>280524659
>planning something doesn't mean you have every single detail prepared
For OPfags it does.

>>280522161
Literally what stops them from doing the same thing to Madara?

>>280520496
>>fair-looking and talented but self-righteous dickhead
>>always ends up getting corrected by ugly untalented losers
Who are you talking about?

>>280525084
the seal is made for kaguya
madara can simply undo it, he has the rinnegan and six paths powers

>>280525158
All Kishimoto would have to do is write that he couldn't do that.
This is a book written by a person.

>>280525112
pain deva path, corrected by naruto
madara, corrected by hashirama (not ugly though I give you that)
sasuke, corrected by naruto

>>280508408 (OP)
Western fans have spread this propaganda that Shikamaru and Temari are the only developed/realistic couple with chemistry in Naruto, when Kishimoto asked about said relationship he stated that he never had any interest in writing for it (which means all the claims are headcanon).

How about Azuma not wanting a Yotsuba anime because he hated Azumanga?

>>280525158
Madarafags really lack the self awareness to realize how annoyingly autistic they are.

>>280525016
>after getting power upgrades from sage of six paths
>still struggles to beat madara
>here comes kaguya
>beats her easily

>>280525256
They hardly fought Madara with their upgrades to really struggle with him.

It's not really that "Madara was strong" to kill and more so that Kishimoto wasn't set on how he should go out, Madara had been dismembered, crushed, impaled and sliced through out the arc, all good opportunities to end him but Kishi ultimately had him die by Zetsu's hand.

>>280514184
Araki needs the time. If pressed, he only shits out doodles.
If he really had anything against Watsuki he would not have participated in the anniversary.

>>280525754
>If pressed
>compares storyboards
Storyboards are innately not meant to be anything presented outside the workflow. They are also not meant to look good- you include Toriyama like that means something when he was a marked exception for having storyboards that were near 1:1 with what would get printed.
Araki's storyboards are the way they are because of his emphasis on character action and detail, hence why they are the most literal definition of storyboards- a vague idea of what the page layout will be with text defining where characters will vaguely be positioned.
A real comparison would be to his other tribute art, though that would ruin any idea of a point you have. The second best thing you can get is volume inserts for chapter breaks, but those also typically looked far better by comparison.

Araki is not someone interested in gossip and drama unless it's within the realm of art, which is why he was very open about his disparaging comments for works like Shaman King and Bleach. He likely just saw no reason to not participate in the Watsuki tributes, but also saw no reason to actually try with them.

>>280515855
nta, haven't seen it in full yet so I can't attest to that but I will say that to cut corners both that and Mahoromatic had narration over the original manga in the first episode (and probably did it more over time), which is what the manga scene in FLCL was making fun of.

>>280514184
You are delusional. If he was really against Watsuki, he wouldn't even have participated in the tribute.

>>280515855
I don't know how someone watches episode 19 and goes "they ran out of money". Your image is literally from when they completely switched mediums for a five second gag where all the characters are on sticks being moved around by hand.
Like, episode 19 would be the MOST expensive episode of the show in all likelihood with the LOWEST chance of recuperating money since the episode (originally) ended with them burning all the storyboards (ED is replaced in the DVD version, think it still exists as a bonus on the BDs though).
>>280525971
We don't know how involved he has to be in these tributes retard, and again, Araki doesn't care for drama like that.
I do find it funny though how you have ONE extremely flawed and retarded example, and after that gets thrown out you immediately just to "You're delusional bro, just shut up bro, don't even talk about it bro".
The Ruroni Kenshin art is just bad for Araki. Nobody trying to say Araki actually likes Watsuki has actually given a real reason why, and I don't know how dumb you'd have to be to think "He didn't have enough time" is a good excuse, because that would still show Araki has ZERO fucking respect for him, if tribute art for Watsuki is something so inconsequential and meaningless that he can put it off to the very last minute.

Go back. Just go.

>>280525016
I mean sage of six paths beaten kaguya
so yes, madara with six paths could also beat kaguya

>>280515553
>sub vs. dub debate
Far over 90% of people just watch dubs and don't give a shit

>>280526059
I'm working with facts. No matter how bad the drawing is, he still did it. You're working with an assumption based on your own beliefs.

>>280515855
>>280526059
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lNUdMdGNYJk
Here's the ED in question.
Episode 19 is the way it is because the show is half-shitpost. If you want a real explanation, it's an extrapolation of Yukino's feelings in the aftermath of losing her virginity, similar to how the later episodes 23 (I think?) and 26 are extrapolations on Arima's feelings on the relationship.
Really, the one thing you could say about the show is that they simply ran out of material they wanted to produce. The show is pretty clearly saying it only had 3 more episodes in mind after 18, but given the structure of the manga and the needs of broadcasting, they couldn't just stop there. It's also the show that "supposedly" caused Anno to stop directing TV anime altogether though nobody has actually verified that claim to my knowledge.
>>280526180
>I'm working with facts.
Incorrect. You're working backwards from a conclusion of "Araki must love Watsuki" and justifying everything from there. You're working from a bad-faith conclusion and your "facts" only exist relative to that conclusion, and are often completely irrelevant (hence why your only "fact" was the storyboard tidbit that, again, wasn't relevant at all).
The reality is, Araki draws better than this all the time, even for his volume inserts. No matter what way you look at it, including the way YOU suggested, which is that Araki didn't have a lot of time to do it (which, again, implies Araki didn't give a shit and put it off until the last minute), this is an insulting contribution. The inclusion of sketchmarks and wobbly lines showcase this perfectly well, but I suppose it's too much to ask for dramawhore retards to actually, you know, READ Araki's manga and look at his art and understand his style.

>>280526059
You are talking to two different anons. I'm >>280525754
Regardless,
>Araki doesn't care about drama
>Anyone saying Araki wasn't doing one of his classic dismissive insults with that piece is lying to themselves

Does he care about drama or not? If it's supposed to be an insult then he clearly cares enough to make a statement.
Because my issue lies with people claiming he dislikes Watsuki based on the effort for that tribute, which is an unbased knee-jerk reaction when none of us know their relationship. That's exactly how misinfo comes into circulation.
Proposition: Araki didn't care, forgot the tribute deadline and doodled a quick entry. To say he drew it bad on purpose as an insult is a ludicrous statement.

>>280526560
He doesn't care about drama in the sense that he'd make it a focal point within his career. When he insults someone as a mangaka, it is for things he dislikes about their efforts as a mangaka (i.e., making two pages completely white to illustrate explosive power, which is an issue he had with Shaman King if I recall).
With Watsuki, it's more likely the issues would be moral which he never comments on. Anytime he has issues with something, it's always related to art specifically.
>Because my issue lies with people claiming he dislikes Watsuki based on the effort for that tribute, which is an unbased knee-jerk reaction when none of us know their relationship.
"Unbased" in spite of Araki doing tribute art all the time, and the far more baseless idea is the sentiment among your types that Araki has simply degraded to the point where he can't even draw a straight line or seemingly do his own style anymore (which he did maintain for his most recent tribute art prior to this one, that being his Toriyama tribute art).
>Proposition: Araki didn't care, forgot the tribute deadline and doodled a quick entry.
Again, that is STILL agreeing with me. That is Araki showing a massive amount of disrespect that he did not feel Watsuki was significant enough to dedicate more than a few minutes to.

>>280508408 (OP)
Keep this on hand. It really explains a lot of Toriyama's decisions.

>>280526703
>and the far more baseless idea is the sentiment among your types that Araki has simply degraded to the point where he can't even draw a straight line or seemingly do his own style anymore
The fuck? Stop putting words in my mouth with strawmen.

>Again, that is STILL agreeing with me. That is Araki showing a massive amount of disrespect that he did not feel Watsuki was significant enough to dedicate more than a few minutes to.
I only agree in the sense that Araki doesn't care, which I never debated once. You're claiming it's animosity though, which is completely unfounded. If anything, Araki still participating is more than enough respect shown, but god forbid the 60+ year old forgets something or considers it not as important.
You dimiss that possibility completely as if you never did a rush-job for a deadline.

>>280515855
this episode is incredible, and which more anime would do something like this, but to keep the joke whenever i show karekano to friends i say they lost the episode animation and had to remake it in one day.

>>280514271
>The only "planned ending" was volume 7, you can tell because that's where the first bit of spine art ends and would account for a bit over a year of serialization.
Yeah let's replace fake rumors with new ones.

>>280526069
Hagoromo sealed Kaguya and he had help from his brother.

>>280520115
They have these character songs done by the VAs, and his happens to be rap iirc.
That might be where the connection stems from.

>>280519948
This is further confirmed by the fact that, when Kishi gets an editor that kisses the ground he walks, he can pull another banger with memorable characters like Samurai 8.

>>280520916
>EP 24 preview of EP 25 was the same, but as you can see it shows scenes that were never in the TV finale: it's storyboards for what would become End of Eva, which was the intended ending but the production was so behind schedule that it became impossible to finish in time, so they had to improvise with the stylized and mostly voices-on-still-frames TV ending

Speaking of blatant lies and misinfo treated as fact....

What you linked is what's used in later releases of the series, the initially aired previews for 25 and 26 were more in line with the episodes and not what would eventually be in EoE.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Oin7jPKbZU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3wr8YR-buNo

>>280508408 (OP)
An old one was Togashi not having assistants despite always having assistants. He’d probably be dead and still in yorknrew without assistants.
The second that somehow still has believers is that his wife is learning his art style to continue the manga after he dies lmao.

>>280529112
>is what's used in later releases of the series, the initially aired previews for 25 and 26 were more in line with the episodes and not what would eventually be in EoE
WTF I didn't know this
Let me get this straight
So they were behind schedule and had the storyboards for different scripts, at least two, the actual TV ending and the mass produced fight vs Unit 02
On air they broadcasted the storyboard closer to what they actually went on to show on TV
BUT
In the home video release they changed it to an unfinished version of the storyboard of something that wasn't what was actually broadcasted
AND THEN they remastered that second version in the re-release?
What were they thinking?

>>280526921
This explains why Toriyama’s art while good doesn’t utilize things like shading, screen tones, or have many double spreads. It’s really just pure line work

>>280519851
basic bitch brainless take

>>280521335
>What seinen, shounen, shoujo etc etc even mean in the context of manga
TO BE FAIR, while the magazine demographic says nothing about quality, it does inform on some tropes usually. Like for action manga, shonen seem to have way more “battle” and coming of age characteristics, while seinen tend to be way more graphic and “muh serious”. Of course that has nothing to do with quality, there’s tons of “serious seinen” that jack off to rape, graphic murder, etc.

>>280530424
The problem is that Western fans think that shounen means action battle, and seinen means adult drama, and shoujo means romantic.
This has never been the case: let's take WSJ as an example.
Since the beginning and to this day, if on average twenty titles are serialized in Jump, how many are action battle?
Three or four on average; then you have a mix of school shenanigans, gag manga, romantic comedy, adventure, sci-fi/fantasy, SoL and a thousand spokon.
Same for shoujo: a lot of shoujo are, and have been, horror and thriller, and a fuckton of school comedy and slice of life, sci-fi/fantasy, a lot of historical drama and then pure romance on top, but it's not the only fucking thing.
Seinen and Josei can be anything but people are ignorant and think it's a measure of... what? How mature they perceive something?
Which is why you have absolute retards that make up nonsense like soft seinen

>>280530783
True. But it doesn’t help that the majority of western fans are casual anime onlies. The amount of adapted anime is pretty minuscule to the total amount of ongoing manga. They don’t even know magazines outside of WSJ, and would probably assume something like Bungo Stray Dogs is a shonen or something.

>>280511606
the funny thing is, making the episode in b&w was actually more expensive since it was so unorthodox they had to change up their normal production pipeline to do it.

>>280522041
That mirrors what happened with Saint Seiya and Digimon Xros Wars Young Hunters
Another time slot kerfuffle for Toei

>>280522787
Spend some time with Japanese Transformers and then talk about canon quibbles
So much time is spent plugging plot holes
So much time travel

>>280526703
you really need a life

my favorite is "this manga author has the same take and understanding of certain political beliefs and events as a transexual from California"

>>280508408 (OP)
>Deku wanted to be the #1 hero
He wanted to be a hero and says he's becoming the greatest of all time. Period. The fact that people have assumed that being the greatest hero of all time is being number 1, despite the manga making it clear that a real hero is the one who doesn't care about that and instead sacrifices himself for others, just shows how stupid they are.

>Look Back is a tribute to KyoAni Tragedy.

>>280532821
I find it impossible to tell where the average Mangaka stands socially compared to the west. Like when I read western comics it’s pretty obvious the average author is at the very least a liberal who likes diversity and the alphabet crew. Japs I couldn’t tell.

>>280533150
>there were good artists there, so I decided that if I didn't get better than them in four years I would kill them
I guess he did kill them in the end.

>>280533319
kek

>>280533201
>I find it impossible to tell where the average Mangaka stands socially compared to the west
Sometimes subtle signs may give little hints

bump

>>280528035
Holy fucking shit this guy liked the ninja war

>>280534797
I liked the Ninja war. Was a good conclusion. The fight against Kaguya was a bit lame, but the final fight between Naruto and Sasuke more than made up for it.

This applies here, list some blatant character misconceptions.
>Armin nuked Liberio and was always willing protect Paradis. Was actually happy when Eren broke down the walls because he thought Eren would only only destroy the Marley military force
>Fandom treats him as a weak pacifist traitor because he’s against total genocide of all living things

>>280534797
I like the ninja war because it felt like an actual war. I have a lot ofc critiques and thought the kaguya shit was horrible but it actually felt like a war compared to how most other Shonen handle war arcs.

>>280527242
It's not a new one- it's the original one. Toriyama only planned to run DB for a year of serialization and drew out the spineart to reflect that. That's all it really means, not that he knew the 21st Tenkaichi Budokai would be the ending.

>>280535375
(nta) Toriyama didn't plan anything. He's said countless times that he improvised. The tournament itself was created to try to save the series.

>>280535375
>>280527242
Yep, look at
>>280521903

>>280515855
Where the fuck went the budget?

>>280517742
I am 100% sure Gotouge is a woman

>>280517780
Source?

>>280537741
Read his Manga Theater, he basically only drew a manga to try and win a competition (he lost) but Torishima kept bullying him into trying again until eventually he wound up landing a full serialization with Slump.

>>280519856
Anno gives strong beta male vibes

>>280519877
but it's true tho

>>280538242
You don't say

>>280538351
Kys troon

>>280532821
In some cases that’s true like with Itagaki talking about how much he loves BLM and Naomi Osaka in author comments.

>>280520405
Nice try erenfag

>>280508408 (OP)
Not manga but Yugioh 5D's:
>"muh buy Blackwings" when it's cards were all commons
>"muh Carly cult" when it happened around the end of the show, way after her (and everyone else)'s character assassination started
People just can't cope that 5D's second half went to shit on it's own so they keep repeating these excuses even after they were debunked.

>>280516280
Didn't he lose a bunch of manuscripts there?

>>280530322
rude

>>280508408 (OP)
>Abe was the one forcing Ichiruki, Kubo never intended for people to think the two were a couple.

Some times I wonder if the new fans actually read the manga

>>280508408 (OP)
I remember when most weebs spread the lie that Hiro Mashima used to be a Oda assistant to explain why his artstyle in Fairy Tail looks like a cheap imitation of One Piece

>>280526059
because people genuinely have no idea how any of the media they consume is created, and they don't know that they don't know, so they just think less 'detail' = less money

>>280510646
Even now the concept of a thematic defeat flies over people's heads. Madara was a might makes right loon who'd caused ruin throughout the ninja world by pulling strings from behind the scenes. He couldn't be beaten by feel good ideals. What defeated him was the weakness in his own philosophy: there was someone even more cruel and ancient playing him. Kaguya's lack of charisma made her boring to read about, but that she killed him despite that was meant to be another humiliation of Madara and what he represents.

>>280516166
Didn't the third season of Sonic X appear much later in Japan than it did in the West?

>>280539857
>Even now the concept of a thematic defeat flies over people's heads
99% of Bleach "powerlevel" criticism

>>280510836
>Yabuki did base a character on a real person: Mikan, based on his own little sister. He talks about it in the tanks.
You mean to tell me he based the character in all those incestuous lolicon fanservice scenes off of his IRL sister?

>>280516166
I wonder of some of those conceptions about Bebop come from how it had to go from the censored TV Tokyo run to the one in Wowow without skipping episodes. Then again I don't wanna create new myths from busting old ones, like that episode with the Fire Bee in Bakemonogatari. or the people that say 100% certain that the Greeks based the Cyclops on Elephant skulls

>>280508408 (OP)
Gohanfags are genuine subhumans for pushing this myth.

>>280521335
>Miura stopped working because he became obsessed with Idolm@ster
I love this one and want it to be true.

>>280520221
DB Yamcha was a lovable loser. You knew that even though he was going to lose most of his matches, he was going to put up a decent fight at least. DBZ Yamcha and later is a bad, pathetic joke that doesn't make anyone laugh.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YIp8QDxwYZA

>>280542038
>You knew that even though he was going to lose most of his matches, he was going to put up a decent fight at least
Isn't this the entire non-Saiyan cast after the 23rd Budokai, with exception of Piccolo?
At least the anime throws some bone at them

>>280539604
There is also the claim that they both studied under the same mangaka.

>>280531070
It was definitely more of a hassle than doing it normally, but coloring the characters with those monochrome palettes was actually fairly common throughout the previous episodes. Aside from the BG elements the cold open for episode 4 was also done that way as well as most cuts like >>280520982 (aside from the hair)

>>280529906
>In the home video release they changed it to an unfinished version of the storyboard of something that wasn't what was actually broadcasted
The home video revision of ep 24 uses the rough EoE preview because those redone episodes are part of the forked EoE timeline, as indicated by the apostrophe in the numbering for 21'-26'.
>AND THEN they remastered that second version in the re-release?
The "remastered" side in all of those videos are that dude's fan edit to remake them with the final footage, the "original" side is the on-air previews from the BD release of those eps.

>>280526142
>90% of people just watch dubs and don't give a shit
Nothing guarantees the ruination of a beloved niche pastime as surely as making it more accessible to normalfags with sub-standard literacy.

>This is kakifly, mangaka of K-ON!
Guy is actually Kouichirou Soutome
In late 2000s and early 2010s, some anons on 2chan and some other Japanese board sites had a meme where they'd get a random image of a guy and have the text underneath saying it was kakifly.
This one specific image got more attention than others. Some didn't know it was a joke and took it seriously. They'd repost elsewhere and it eventually lead to manga/anime info sites using the image to say this kakifly. Which led even more people to believe it was kakifly

>>280525212
Yeah, that's another big one. The idea that Azuma "hated the Azumanga Daioh anime". If I recall correctly he just stated that he didn't think Yotsuba would work well as an anime, he's never said anything bad about the Azumanga anime to my knowledge.

>>280509416
It's JoJo's author. def real

>>280543008
The same sort of thing happened with Nasu Kinoko and a photo of a guy who worked on fgo.

>>280542553
Made even funnier if you know Mashima's early life; the guy is basically a manga chacter
>Mashima stated that he knew he wanted to be a manga artist for as long as he can recall. His father was an artist that aspired to turn professional, but died when Mashima was young. Living in the mountains as a child, his grandfather would bring him discarded manga that he found. After reading them, Mashima would draw from them. In middle school, he began to rebel and get into trouble, but still drew everyday. In high school, he became guitarist in a rock band named Night Meeting, which played a show every two or three months. Mashima was eventually indefinitely suspended from school due to his delinquency and, after reflecting during this time away, decided he would try to make it as a professional manga artist. Moving to Tokyo after graduating high school, he entered a school specializing in teaching manga artists, but left without completing the studies. He stated that while it taught him the basics, he felt it would not help as a professional. In 1998, Mashima created the one-shot manga Magician while working part-time at an arcade, and entered it into a competition held by Kodansha's Weekly Shōnen Magazine. While waiting for the results, his one-shot Bad Boys Song was published in August 1998. When Magician was published in 1998's 51st issue of Weekly Shōnen Magazine, it won the Rookie Prize and earned Mashima around $7,000. He made his official serialization debut the following year with Rave Master

>>280543008
The same sort of thing happened with Hiromu Arakawa and a photo of Romi Park.

>>280529906
that's not what remaster means you fucking retard
why are you posting itt if you dont know anything about animation or film

>>280539604
>>280542553
>>280543565
But it's really strange how similar their styles are. Some say this is because they're both influenced by Toriyama, but Nakaba and Murata are too and their styles are completely different.

I wonder if this was a strategy Shonen Magazine used to try to compete with One Piece. Does anyone have Mashima's works from before Rave?

>>280540967
Yeah, but to be fair Mikan started out as a normal sister who was almost never sexualized. It wasn't until Darkness she went full brocon.

>>280543008
Not as an accidental meme, but the same for Q Hayashida, of Dorohedoro fame.