Thread 280568069

Frieren is overrated. It had a VERY strong beginning, but the longer it goes on, the more it falls into common cliches like licensing exams and tournament arcs. If I wanted to see that shit, I'd just watch Naruto.

Frieren should have been a single cour series, or maybe a 2-hour movie, about Frieren learning to accept the loss her friends and vowing to appreciate the people around her more in the future.

>>280568069 (OP)
first half was mid second half was peak

>>280568069 (OP)
your fault for watching that slop

>>280568069 (OP)
>watches a battle shounen anime
>it ends up having common battle shounen tropes

>>280568069 (OP)
it was obviously twitterslop from the beginning

>>280568069 (OP)
You are wrong.

>>280568474
Shut up fagtard

>>280568069 (OP)
I like the part where she gets fooled by a mimic

>>280568069 (OP)
Mari Okada already made that story it's called Maquia: When the Promised Flower Blooms, and it sucks cock. It does everything you're asking for and is one of the worst animated movies I've ever had the displeasure of watching. Frieren is above average but also appeals to normies and redditors very well with the bonus appeal of having almost no fan service opening to a much wider audience. When your main source of anime or media is marvel tier, Freiren looks like a masterpiece by comparison. There's good arcs and bad arcs, the fights hardly exist in the manga compared to the show which helped alot on selling to hood weebs. Season 2 will probably filter alot of people.

>>280568069 (OP)
Modern day FMAB

>>280569263
I liked Maquia, fuck you.

>>280569525
Ok well you having emotionally shallow taste is not my problem? Ignorance is bliss or whatever. The movie is objectively paced like shit. People try to defend it by saying "it's supposed to represent how time moves for her" no all it represents is terrible writing. I didn't shed a single tear nor did I feel anything for the characters despite its 2 hour run time. It's weak depression bait.

>>280568069 (OP)
I love this show. On my first rewatch now. I feel like I can appreciate it even more since I know the major beats, now I'm hanging on every word of the characters and it has deeper meaning because the entire narrative arc is in my head, I can see it all both as a piece and as a whole.
This show makes me so emotional, a lot of times I just want to burst into tears. Really lovely sentimentality. Beautiful animation + Beautiful music = POETRY it rhymes.
Great show Frieren is a 10/10 I don't give a shit what anyone else says.

>>280569296
At least FMA has the 2003 series, which is much better than Brotherhood, precisely because it avoids the standard battle shonen cliches in favor of telling a more dramatic and philosophical story using the exact same setting and characters.

>>280568069 (OP)
In the thumbnail that petal in the foreground always looks like either part of Frierens dress, or a garment hanging out of her bag. At first I thought she was a messy packer.
Imagine my surprise when we learn she is in fact a messy packer.

>>280568069 (OP)
why does frieren's popularity mindbreak people? if it wasnt popular at all, retards like you would latch on to it and say "HIDDEN GEM" "CANT BELIEVE NORMIE NIGGERS SKIPPED OUT ON THIS MASTERPIECE"

the so called enlightened anime enjoyer who says he doesnt care what people think but his tastes completely revolve around the popularity and what other people say about the series in question.

>>280569782
I mean, fair enough, I still like it. Do I think it's objectively good... No. But I'm also a complete sucker for anything that deals with immortality/long lived characters in a setting of normal people. Frieren, To Your Eternity (now that is dogshit), Emanon and Maquia. None of these are what I'd consider outright good series but they were enjoyable.

>>280568069 (OP)
occupational licensing is a real thing. that scene is 100% for adult professionals who have dealt with a mindless bureaucracy.
if you're a kid you won't get it.

ferns tits

>>280570068
It's pretty embarrassing no? My favorite thing is my friends try to tell me I have elitist taste when I shit on something popular but like I have dozens of favorites in the top100 MAL. Freiren getting popular is more good than bad because now we at least get to see the best arc animated.

>>280570164
Emanon? Does it have an anime OVA or we just talking the manga. I wish it was a bit longer it felt so bittersweet seeing the ending.

>>280569890
im not gonna watch anime that is mostly non cannon

At this point, I'm just waiting to see where the journey ends up. The manga is all over the fucking place. I thought it was going to be a slice-of-lifey, occasional conflict -> peaceable resolution on-the-road sort of story, but the way it's looking now this empire arc looks like it's just derailing the "journey" part of Frieren.

The author put his foot in his mouth since the Macht arc, which wasn't bad at all but felt out-of-place, and he totally fell in love with a bunch of his background characters and is now wasting time developing this growing cast of characters by giving them their own trials and adventures, rather than actually telling a story based on Frieren, Starke, Fern, and sometimes Sein (whose own arc looks like it'll be wrapping up in the very near future).

I just don't understand what the point of the empire arc is, why there'd be a hitlist on elf women, or how this arc is going to resolve in a way that does not permanently alter the course of the story. There are enough red flags throughout chapters 130-140 that you just know something terrible is going to happen, and that seems to really go against the grain of the tone of this series.

Ngl i feel like half the reason people even care about it is because of hype.
It does nothing i haven't already seen done better before.

>>280570351
Occupational licensing is definitely an (evil) thing in the real world, but it never looks like a competitive examination where people compete with each other for the license, because why the fuck would it?

Real world occupational licensing looks like paying hundreds of dollars to sit your ass for a week or three in a classroom while some bored asshole lectures you about the most braindead possible failure modes of your job so as to avoid lawsuits, followed by a extremely easy pen and paper exam, sometimes followed by a practical exam. It's a racket for rent seekers to extract value and limit competition.

>>280568069 (OP)
I didn’t watch it but anything glazed by reddit and anitube niggers cant be good.

>>280570543
Nah i read the manga of Emanon.

>>280572030
But, Anon, what IS canon? If you have a manga and an anime that mostly agree with each other but the anime adds a couple of filler episodes that gain time for the manga to progress without altering the status quo, it seems fair to call that non-canon. If, however, the anime goes off in its own completely original direction and ends up telling a BETTER story than the manga, it seems fair to call that an alternate canon rather than not-canon.

>>280573046
Dude…shut the fuck up

>>280572260
Another battle shonen series long since lost sight of it’s throughline.

>>280572260
Agreed. Manga lost the thread. Reminds me of OPM, where the first arc was amazing, and then everything that came afterwards has been shit. I'm only reading for Serie, and it looks like I won't be reading for much longer based on how the last few chapters have pretty much been death flag after death flag for her.

>>280573180
why are canonfags so angry and rude?

>>280569263
Maquia isn't remotely about what Frieren is about. In fact it's almost antipolar.
>Frieren
Oh no I didn't appreciate my bishounen when he was alive the mistake, the horror
>Maquia
I love my son but if I don't get out of his life I'll stifle him as a person forever

>>280572260
>I thought it was going to be a slice-of-lifey, occasional conflict -> peaceable resolution on-the-road sort of story
I thought the exact same thing. Didn't watch it when the first season was released for that reason. It's alright, too many OP characters for me to care about whatever they do. Not a bad show personally. Just expected more from the hype I guess.

>>280569263
That’s just because Mari Okada is a hack

>>280569890
friend had me watch brotherhood. should I still watch 2003?

>>280569890
Ah yes, randumb isekai ending. Truly profound. You can tell the exact moment the writing went to shit when it didn't have the manga to rely on.

>>280572260
this seems to be a recurring problem in manga. i get it, the urge to expand outwards and explore new avenues is strong. telling a story start-to-finish with little deviation is difficult. there is an urge to digress.

>>280573658
Yes. First of all, if you only watched Brotherhood, you completely missed the setup, because Brotherhood speeds through the early episodes on the assumption that you have watched the 2003 version. Second, FMA 2003 is a much darker, cerebral, and emotional story. It's not filled with fights and comedy and friendship speeches the way Brotherhood is. It's like Fullmetal Alchemist for grownups.

03anon is correct, brotherhood faggots should try human transmutation.

>>280573428
>frieren
My immortality is causing me emotional distress
>Maquia
My immortality is causing me emotional distress

Anyone can cherry pick plotpoints retard look at the overarching themes.

>>280573640
True the only things she's touched that I even remotely enjoyed were A whisker away and Nagi no Asukara

>>280568069 (OP)
The first 2 episodes are like a short film and the rest is aimless disappointing dull. Characters are trying too hard to look cool and the monotonous attitude given to each one wears out its welcome very fast. Dandadan is going through a similar issue right now with the third worst arc being adapted but not even a top tier production can redeem how boring it is. Unless they skip over a lot of the Kaiju stuff expect to see interest wane like what happened to OPM. There should be no surprise that the more any of these initially refreshing manga hide behind shonen tropes the worse it gets. Mangaka should probably take a hiatus when they find themselves relying on copying others.

>>280573658
Don't get tricked anon, it was a slog to watch with an even worse ending. All it has going for it is the grimdark edge you usually get in fanfiction mistaken for maturity. Armor guy get's fucked in the character department especially imo.

>>280569890
>shilling actual, literal fanfiction

>>280574071
Why would they skip anything? The kaiju stuff is pretty hype and I wanna see community reactions to the most polerized character in the franchise once he hits the sceeen.

>>280569890
Mental illness

anime is so fucking mid people would rather talk about other mid.

>>280568069 (OP)
>VERY strong beginning
how? the beginning is generic/average, speaking as manga reader
>Frieren should have been a single cour serie
oh, so you mean anime

>>280573328
they lack emotional maturity

>>280568069 (OP)
Widely popular: Frieren
Actual overrated/gaslight shilled only on /a/: Tengocuck, tr00nimai

>>280575087
actually good: Dungeon Meshi manga

>>280572030
I guess you can't watch Evangelion, Cowboy Bebop, Code Geass, Gurren Lagann and Madoka

Pick 3 characters from the last anime you watched - that is your new party after you are suddenly teleported into the world of Frieren.

Who's in your party, what are your goals, and how fucked do you think you are?

>>280574349
>the most polerized character in the franchise
Gimme the QRD

>>280575589
well technically the last anime i watched is Frieren.
I watched Ruri Rocks yesterday, so I guess my party is Nagi, Ruri, and Ruri's mom. I could certainly do worse. Nagi will frontline for us with the warhammer, while I drool over her delicious ass. Ruri's mom will heal us with her delicious cooking. Ruri the goblin will get us the best deals when we trade for supplies.
I'll be DPS. We'll be fine.

>>280575957
He's a chuuni otaku who thinks he's the MC but is constantly the butt of the joke/ punching bag. He does some cool stuff with mechaa but most people either love or hate him.

>>280575589
actually don't know what I last watched, maybe that Beheneko shit because I was reading the manga before.
Ohoho, gonna have a lot of titty around me.

>>280568069 (OP)
>more it falls into common cliches like licensing exams and tournament arcs
You just said the same thing twice.
Bare in mind that the whole concept which is made clear after the 2H intro is her retracing her journey, finding out what those 10 years meant to her and trying to fix past mistakes with her new crew.

>>280575589
I'm fucking cooked bros what am I going to do with 3 horse girls?? I guess I'm taking Manhattan Cafe, Oguri Cap, and Agnes Tachyon. Our goal is to not die and we will not last very long because horsegirls are fat as fuck.

>>280570000
To me it looked like smoke coming out of her suitcase.

>>280574071
>the rest is aimless disappointing dull. Characters are trying too hard to look cool and the monotonous attitude given to each one wears out its welcome very fast
entirely subjective; completely wrong. "the rest" is a series of adventures and situations of varying interests, never explicitly boring. i like the characters with their muted attitudes and reactions. everyone is a straight man which makes the comedic moments hit just right.

>>280572389
It starts after the journey's end.
It's told from the perspective of a long lived character.

>>280576318
>everyone is a straight man

Fern and Frieren are girls and their sexuality has not been discussed you fucking bigot

>>280572615
yeah, but if the chuuni exams were that awful, then it wouldn't be entertaining. Frieren isn't a comedy show per se; the only way to make that enjoyable would be to turn it into SoL comedy.
it's a drama, so the exams need to be impactful and have stakes. Which they do; people die. Just no one important.
The scene I'm referenced is when Fern is asking Frieren if she has her certification, and Frieren is complaining about the bureaucrats and not having her credentials up to date. It resonated with me and probably others who have to go through these things just to do their work.

>>280576425
Fern totally made eyes at Starke at that Duke's ball.
Frieren is a little slow and is only realizing 80 years later that she was in love with the hero all along.

They are straight as straight can be.

Lawine and Kanne are definitely faggots.

>>280568069 (OP)
I ain't reading all that, Frieren is dogshit and you're a retard for defending this slop

>>280576565
You're the minority, therefore your taste is dogshit and your eyes are blind.

>>280576538
Lawine is a faggot. You can tell by how she beats the girl she likes every chance she gets. Kanne is probably straight. Fern and Stark will eventually end up together especially if the prist rejoins the party in current arc.

>>280576425
i hope you know what the straight man in comedy is, since retards here think I was talking about sexuality.

>>280576565
>3 sentences
>I ain't reading all that
Go back to TikTok you fucking zoomer.

>>280576647
Nobody actually believes you were talking about sexuality, it's just that talking about sexuality is more interesting than whatever it was you were talking about.

>>280568069 (OP)
if anything, it needed more episodes. the show felt really rushed and we needed more cute slice of life scenes, especially of the fat one with her milkers.

>>280576538
>Frieren is a little slow and is only realizing 80 years later that she was in love with the hero all along.
Obviously, that's pretty much the driving force of the show.

>>280573931
I'm not cherry picking, I'm giving you the emotional core of each movie. One is about pining for a missed connection. One is about if you love something let it go.
You're a reductive fucking twat and you're not a serious poster.

>>280568069 (OP)
>Frieren has tournament arcs
When??

>>280576682
it's distressing how stupid people here are

>>280576797
ep 18-28

>>280576823
Nobody asked, nobody cares. Or are you showing us that you recently learned how to use a search engine?

>>280576787
>Mari Okada found the thread and is seething

>>280576868
i'm sorry you're retarded. there is no cure.

>>280576862
Not a single tournament occurs in those episodes, or at any point in the entire manga

>>280576885
Why are you this angry? Lack of sex? Rough day at the office? Died in a video game?

>>280576862
That's an exam arc, actually.>>280576875

>>280576905
Projection

>>280576905
who says i'm angry? i'm in a pleasant mood. that doesn't make you any less of an annoying retard.

>>280576896
It's similar in many regards to a tournament arc, you can be as pedantic as you want but that's how almost everyone saw it.
Personally I liked it as it introduced some interesting characters like Denken and allowed us to see Frieren go all out, but I can't blame people for feeling it was a big departure from the more slice of life nature of the show.

>>280576956
>fat finger mobile using jeet taps post number instead of post itself

Bwo....

>>280576959
Mad.
>>280576960
Very mad.

I love (You)

I love (You) too, no homo

>>280576468
> Character must go through some hoops to get a license
> she’s literally me guys!!
> This is why is the deepest #1 Anime ever

This is why Frierenfags are seen as so pretentious with it comes to literally everything in this show.

>>280577122
if you're not employed, you don't get an opinion.

>I like x because of y
>WoW wHaT a PrEtEnTiOuS fAgGoT
This kind of response will never not be gayer than a $2 dollar bill.

>>280577122
>cherypicking
>strawmanning

Time travel bothers me a lot more than the tournament arc. I stopped reading the manga when that began because I'm afraid of where it'll lead.

>>280577122
Damn unc

>>280577229
It's basically painted like she switched places and it was a cannon event the whole party knew about and never mentioned it to her past self. Thr arc was average at best but you get some himmel lore if you're into that

>>280568069 (OP)
Frieren is literally just grimdark Fairy Tail.

>>280577229
This >>280577278
It was nice to spend time with the old gang. It will definitelly be better than the tournament arc as an adaptation.

>>280577288
it's not grimdark at all. this isn't n*tflix.

>>280577288
>>280577338

>>280577362
Stark is the comic relief character, though even he has a serious side. Rule of Cool when it comes to fights.

>>280577362
To be fair Sein is not socially awkward. Neither is Stark to some extent.

>>280577650
they're all flawed which is part of what makes it fun.

>>280568069 (OP)

No, sorry. I could agree is not the absolute unique masterpiece some people make it out to be but it is undoubtedly great, specially as an entry level anime.

Furthermore it came at a time on which classic fantasy had been struggling while the market was being saturated by power fantasy isekai. It´s success will certainly show people are still interested in the genre and will open the gates for more works to get anime adaptations. Like, IDK if something like Witch hat atelier would have got an adaptation otherwise.

That aside Frieren is good in it´s own right, stories rarely explore all those little moments in between the big events. I think that´s what i like about Frieren the most. At this point i am patently uninterested in political conflicts between human kingdoms or even the war against the demons but i really like all those stories about Himmel´s party (and then Frieren´s party) stopping to help the regular people with their every day life chores or just pass the time and share a moment.

I guess Fumetsu anata e does that to but damn, Fumetsu really is a non stop feels train in comparison. Frieren being more lighthearted about it makes for a more comfortable watch. (I love both though)

>>280577393
Stark is never taken seriously in the series. Frieren and Fern are the only ones who are given clout because mages overshadow everything and girl power.

>>280577851
He is taken seriously, especially in the latest arc when Frieren relies on him to keep her safe.

>>280577795
I'd love for Stark to punch her stupid face in.

>>280568143
Shonentards were a mistake.
Go back to Solo Leveling.

>>280578014
As a meat shield. Big whoop.

When has Stark gotten another one-on-one fight or any character introspection beyond being Fern’s punching bag?

>>280578223
>front-liner is tanking damage
>saves Frieren and Fern's lives
How is this not a commendable thing?

>>280578304
It is, the other guy is just a fat coward who couldn't imagine himself doing that and feels insecure because of it.

>>280578223
this was not 1v1 enough?

I WISH I COULD MARRY LINIE

>>280578682
>3 episodes away from his introduction
You're just making his case.
To be fair though except the recent chapter with the nun, it could be said Fern didn't get any 1:1 either, since the Aura arc, nor did she get much introspection.

>>280578777
ok fair enough, i'm an animeonly. hopefully they have more Stark, i love the melee fights in this show.

Why does Serie have such great taste in women? Is Serie low-key a queer?

In regards to this Empire arc and the assassins. Name ONE reason why Frieren would tolerate this behavior? Maybe she’s cool with being targeted herself, but I can’t imagine she’d tolerate having her close friends being targeted for assassination. I’m sure she doesn’t take anything personally with battles vs demons because she hates them and everyone knows where they stand, ie, kill or be killed, Dalek mode total demon death etc. But against humans who have no reasonable reason for the antagonism except for irrational fear and self-interest that goes so far as to trying to kill her friends? This SHOULD make her really angry. Not that she’s going to drop a Sepheroth meteor on the Empire’s capital or anything, but she should at least get ANGRY at them. Is she SO autistic that she can’t even express anger?

Also, it’s really weird and disingenuous when the narrative tries to push the idea that melee fighters are this hard-counter to mages. That demon kid whatshisname with the strings was a melee fighter who got Frieren trapped in close quarters and she punked him like so much garbage. Also if that was the case why wasn’t it Linnie’s job to take out Fern? Wouldn’t Fern just get one-sidedly trashed if it was Linnie?

>>280579015
From a character POV Serie and Frieren are probably looking at the empire (as a whole) with nostalgia goggles because to both of them that is Flamme's own creation, and the present-day empire is ultimately a reflection of Flamme's own legacy.

I think this arc ends up playing out in one of 2 ways: Serie dies, Frieren realizes how important Serie actually was/is to her now that she is no longer alive, as Serie is her last real connection to an age that no-one else has presumably lived long enough to be from (and if there are some old timers, they didn't hang out with Serie/Frieren), and Frieren will also realize that she is now the only living person who remembers Flamme. For the magic association, Sense, Falsch, Methode, Lernen, whatever the fuck that other guy's name was, etc., this will mark the occasion where it is ultimately up to them how they remember Serie.

Option 2: Serie doesn't die, despite the flags, and subverts expectations by showing her up close and personal how much humans have grown as far as magic is concerned. Those she's surrounded herself with show her that there is more to magic than warfare, and a peaceable, rational resolution is ultimately reached (surely disappointing her own expectations but pleasing her in some small way for going against her intuition).

Tonally, I don't think Serie's death suits this series. It clashes loudly with the relatively lax nature of the writing so far. Narratively, Serie's death here makes a lot of sense. Her living on can only really be achieved if a new opportunity for growth presents itself to her. If this arc is about how even someone like Serie, anachronistic and seemingly set in her ways, can continue to grow then that'd be the higher theme to write for and would align better with this manga. I don't think the writer can pull that off though, so I'm assuming Serie dies.

I think the current empire makes it clear to Frieren that the past is the past, and you have to keep moving forward.

>>280579218
eisen falling from any height with no damage/running fast enough to run across water, himmel blitzing that demon girl and cutting her arm off, starke creating that giant fissure in that canyon.
a warrior can totally blitz mages in this setting. it's why spells like that sorganiel binding one exist.
even that old shadow warrior guy in the village hidden in the weeds took starke out and could've simply killed fern and frieren if he was more serious. series could've ended right there at that cabin in the woods.
the only mage who doesn't get bodied in cqc is serie. macht proves this since his own combat speed should be comparable to most warriors and he couldn't get the goods on her. macht could've already killed frieren before the story of this series even begins.
demons are the only ones who are 2-in-1. mighty magic + warrior-tier from demon genes alone.

>>280579354
>Serie dies
How will Methode ever recover?

>>280578223
He gets a good fight in the Divine revolte arc and then again in the El Dorado arc, but in both encounters he plays second fiddle to a mage.

>>280579015
>Name ONE reason why Frieren would tolerate this behavior?
Who should she be cross with? The shadow warriors are just executing on a job they've been given. The central government doesn't seem to have a clear handle on the Shadow Warriors. And the highest ranking shadow warriors seem to genuininely care about the future of the Empire. Besides the only reason Frieren's protegés are under threat is because they accepted an assignment.

>>280579218
He wasn't a melee fighter and his strings were made out of mana.

>>280579744
By joining the main group so she can get her fix of elf petting.

>>280568069 (OP)
>Frieren is overrated.
Yeah, it insists upon its elf.

>>280579700
>the only mage who doesn't get bodied in cqc is serie.
I think a lot of the fightfag first class mages such as Ubel, Sense, Genau and Falsch can do adequately against warriors up close.
>macht could've already killed frieren
could he have? Macht is probably one of the 11 mages with less mana than Frieren that bested her. But he won because of his curse, not because his abilities in hand to hand combat or his superiority as a mage.

>>280580081
CARLOSSSSSS!

>>280579354
Serie's death is the logical (and probably necessary) conclusion to this arc. It is abundantly clear that the author is setting up some kind of demon resurgence down the road, which will likely end with the current Frieren party duking it out in Ende. If Serie still exists by then it's going to be a LotR repeat, where, instead of asking where the eagles were the entire time, people are going to be asking why Serie doesn't just curb-stomp everything and call it a day.

While Serie lives, there can be no real meaningful adversity in the future. She's a giant roadblock. The author wrote himself into a corner with the character, so he's trying to write himself out of it right now.

The only setting questions remaining afterwards are what happens to the mage association, what happens to the empire, and what are Lernen, Denken, and Gluck doing in Weise.

>>280580081
Top-shelf.

>>280581137
Tops elf.

>>280568069 (OP)
Feels like we get at least one of these useless posts every single day

>>280580524
why would the demons come back in full force after their leader got BTFO? Aura tried it and look what happened to her, she and all her lieutenants fucking dead.
The word is out; Frieren stalks the land, and it's open season on demons. I just don't see it happening.

>>280581536
Isn't their main flaw their arrogance?

>>280581536
https://frieren.fandom.com/wiki/Schlacht
^ this guy existed and knew hundreds of years before the present time in the story that Frieren would read the memories of Macht. This little expository exchange in Macht's own memories sets up an entire arc in and of itself.

>>280581629
sure, but 80s year after you boss gets axed, and mere months after one of his best gets nuked, you'd think they'd hedge their bets a little. they're arrogant, but they're not stupid.

>>280568069 (OP)
Go check out Clevatess, is a billion times better than Frieren but nobody is even watching it...

>>280581714
>80s year
80 years
sorry. 110 years?

>>280581353
Methode was made for me, and me alone.

>>280581784
Calm down, Sein. Assuming you don't die in this arc, Frieren's party will probably hook you up with her.
Hell, if Serie lives then she will definitely play matchmaker for you two - 2 birds, one stone.

>>280581784
Fern wants that elf pussy

>>280568069 (OP)
>If I wanted to see that shit, I'd just watch Naruto.
yeah, can't wait to enjoy the superior flashbacks

>>280581753
Fuck off, crunchyroll marketer. clevatess is pure slop and no one watches it for a good reason

>>280581879
god damn that awful color grading

>>280572260
I honestly never understood what anyone saw in Frieren for anyone to think it was going anywhere. It's just a fanfic-tier writer wandering through a storehouse of old cliches. I don't know how people think anything has lesser writing unless it's outright "this was written by a 12 year old huh" narou stuff.

like did anyone give a shit about anything in the arc where frieren fucking time-travelled

>>280572030
The notion of "canon" is already absurd when you're not dealing with massive, dogmatic stories. The actions of FMA 2003 are canon to FMA 2003, and the actions in FMA Brotherhood are canon to FMA Brotherhood. They share the same starting point and characters, but they're completely different stories.

This series would've been so much better if it were about an immortal elf doing immoral things and fucking with mortals because she can simply outlive the consequences of her actions, or outgun those with less life experience than herself.

>>280582123
kek wtf
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Vv_dkDwZeQ for the zoomers who don't know

>>280582123
>immortal elf doing immoral things and fucking with mortals because she can simply outlive the consequences of her actions
I think this could work well for a gag manga maybe. I'd read it.

>>280572260
it was obvious by the use of isekai plot elements that it wasn't going anywhere

>>280569890
>At least FMA has the 2003 series, which is much better than Brotherhood
I get you watched it as a kid and thus you can't help but think it's a flawless master piece but no.

>>280581923
>dogmatic stories
I'm not even going to ask. I shouldn't need to explain why different writers making up shit on the spot because they're on a payroll coming up with wonky bountos or steel saints aka filler often leads to subpar stories that lose some of the original vision even in non-anime. Specially because of a weak "it has a *chance* of working huh what about that!"
Chances are it's slop and you enjoy slop. There was already a poster stating it was bad without any mention of "filler".
You ignore all this common sense to say that actually it's about the word "filler" in a vacuum and not people not going along with your consumption of slop.

>>280582123
reminds me of that surprisingly technically-painted porn webcomic that has like 1000 pages about an albino elf lesbo and a ginger somewhat MILFy elf turboslut that's technically her GF but tends to get fucked in all holes by any guy she sees

Would need more elfyness though, they are basically a classy and slobby slut that might as well not be in a fantasy world

>>280574017
>>280573640
I liked her Selector Infected : WIXOSS

>>280569890
I prefer 2003 FMA too

>>280572781
For real. I only get my opinions from this site now since it doesn't censor the 'wrong' opinions, leading to more honest takes on the subject matter.

the big question that this setting begs to be answered is what racial slurs the humans have innovated to describe the lazy long-eared long-lived elves.

i want to know the discrimination lore.

>>280583714
that was not in the Dragon Quest ripping textbook

>>280579354
>>280580524
My wife is not going to die in this next arc, I simply won't allow that to happen.

>>280572260
>I just don't understand what the point of the empire arc is
The empire is what Frieren's master, Flamme, built anon, she tells you that one part of why she's sticking around is because she wants to know what's going to happen with her legacy.
>why there'd be a hitlist on elf women
It's a political fight anon, the empire against the Magician association, whose leader is an Elf. Said elves are the most powerful magicians of the era.
>or how this arc is going to resolve in a way that does not permanently alter the course of the story.
And why is that a bad thing anon?
>and that seems to really go against the grain of the tone of this series.
The whole tone of the series has always been that things never stay the same. Magic changes, associations are born and then completely disappear; the whole arc is a personal thing about how Flamme's legacy is biting her master and discipline because it doesn't align anymore with its current interests.

>>280584340
If the Empire is the legacy of Flamme, then WHY isn’t Frieren marching straight into the imperial palace, or whatever governing body, and DEMANDING to be heard? She’s FRIEREN, one o the greatest personages on the PLANET that’s so far above human nobility as to be a mountain compared to a foothill. “May I ask why you are targeting my companions and I? Also the image of Flamme is wrong, change it.” Explain to them that the Empire was the lasting will of Flamme, and if it’s turned into a garbage dump than she’ll have to clean it up in respect of Flamme’s memory.

>>280584636
You would have to read or watch the show to understand why she doesn't, but you haven't, or lack the reading comprehension to understand Frieren. But I'm nice enough to give you a clue.

BTW do demons have a natural lifespan? Wasn’t it stated somewhere that 500 years was old even for a demon or something like that? Is it that they’re technically immortal but being demons means they’ll inevitably be killed in battle, either hunted down by humans in the wilderness, or end up with the short end of the stick eventually when on the hunt themselves? Because it’s rare for them to live peacefully they tend to be killed sooner or later? So does that mean the average demon doesn’t last long after being born, and maybe getting a few kills in before inevitably getting run down?

>>280584092
Now you've done it. You've activated them...

>>280585564
>them
It's literally all me.

>>280575087
>Widely popular: Frieren
That's what makes it overrated

>>280568069 (OP)
i heard that watching this show raises your estrogen levels, is that true?

>>280582557
Wait, that sounds familar. I Roved Out?

How is the single hyper autistic Serie spammer going to cope when his minor character inevitably gets killed off? Will he neck himself while gooning to it's tranny corpse?

>>280587440
No one important ever dies in this series.
It will be a slow bland trek to a disappointing end.

>>280569890
Will you ever get out of your edgelord phase? FMA is saturated with so many stupid ass plot points that it’s basically a poorly executed unintentional comedy series while trying to be as grimdark as possible

>>280568069 (OP)
The problem with Frieren is that is just not good, the only thing it offers is the interesting premise and the hot girls, but you can say the exact same thing about every isekai in existence.

>>280568069 (OP)
I agree with every word and sometimes I feel like I read a different series from everyone else for how popular it got
The first volume or two were so fucking cool, showing so many years going by, sometimes within one chapter, sometimes within one page, while Frieren stays the same. When she took Fern in, I figured we'd watch her grow old and eventually die over the next volumes, but the series lost its core appeal when time stopped skipping, and it just became a painfully generic fantasy story
Quite possibly the single most overrated series I've ever seen on /a/, and it gets to me because of how much I enjoyed the beginning

>>280568069 (OP)
Gotta lower your expectations and turn your brain off, that's the best way to enjoy Frieren.

>>280584340
>It's a political fight anon, the empire against the Magician association, whose leader is an Elf. Said elves are the most powerful magicians of the era.
It could also be reactionary rather than political given that one of the great mages went rogue and caused a lot of damage.

>>280586386
yes

>>280591297
eyepatch shitter has to die, if it is a case of shonen antagonist inevitably ending up sympathetic and kept around, fuck this shit

I just hope they learned from their mistakes and tone down the racism in Season 2

>>280589781
If I wanted to turn my brain off, I'd just watch a modern Hollywood blockbuster. I watch anime PRECISELY because it offers something more than that.

Serie is definitely dying
How many death flags now, author is basically telling you it's going to happen in the last chapter
Mentor figures in fantasy almost always die at some point

i hate fern so much, she is so annoying

https://youtu.be/eZfLAOR_deI

Am I the only one who got huge "I know you're a traitor, who's looking to kill me"-vibes from the Sense grooming panels?

Himmel my beloved