Thread 280709249

"You know I hate oppression—"
>Restores the Sakura Kingdom monarchy (formerly Drum Kingdom)
"And I fucking hate people who oppress others—"
>Restores the Skypiean Monarchy
"I fucking hate Tyrants and their despotic rule—"
>Restores Alabasta Monarchy
"I think that people should be free from the constraints of Authoritarian masters—
>Restores Dressrosa Monarchy
"People should rise up and take the power away from tyrants!"
>Restores Wano Monarchy
"I AM THE WARRIOR OF LIBERATION!"

Ok Captain Right-Wing monarchist. What's the next step of your masterplan?

>Monarchy bad because uhhhhhhhhhhhh
well?

>>280709288
Monarchy is bad because it is not from the Will of the people.

Liberal Democracies and Republics are the perfected form of Government as they balanced the Will of the People along with hierarchical demands of a functioning state.

>>280709312
Literally any political system is bound to be corrupted sooner or later, it's a theorem.

>>280709249 (OP)
Luffy is too stupid to understand non-hierarchical rulership

>>280709249 (OP)
he never said any of that

Eiichiro Oda is the Mr Beast of mangaka.
All this nigga cares about is "making da best thing evarrr!!!!" and making it go on forever, regardless of whether or not its valuable and worth people's time.
OP, You need to understand that he's just gonna continue making shit up and inventing new OCs every week so he can bash his action figures together like a child some more.
I could forgive him if there was actually some emotional intruige that comes through, as is possible in shonen action stories, but it hasn't happened in One Piece in a long time.

>>280709498
What do you want to see by your last sentence?

>>280709312
>Monarchy is bad because it is not from the Will of the people.
The people of Dressrosa literally begged for Riku to be their king again because he was a good monarch
You dismantled your own argument without even thinking

>>280709533
death of white people

>>280709312
>the Will of the People
lmao cattle dont ave will

>>280709249 (OP)
Hope this helps anon

>>280709249 (OP)
Oh wow. Someone stumbled onto the same conclusion but yes.

One Piece is less about the Drums of Liberation but the Drums of RESTORATION. Think Lion King but Simba is too weak to do shit so he befriends a bunch of pirates.

>>280709411
>>280709496
Luffy is too busy meat to form a coherent political thought other than
>Don't fuck with my friend
>Who happens to be a Princess

But if Oda's manga is meant to be read as his political thoughts then he's not ACAB, anti-authority, left, Communist etc etc. He's a Monarchist who believes "Monarchy is okay, as long as you have the RIGHT King." How do you have the Right King?

>>280709312
What if the Will of the People is to keep the King around for fancy dress (a la Northern Europe and maybe half or more of UK depending on a given day and how they handle Andrew)

>>280709249 (OP)
Actually, Oda and Luffy are the strange variety of left wing monarchists. Oda basically supports social-democracy but social-monarchy instead. All the monarchs give away their wealth to dem programs.

>>280709312
Liberal Democracies are always controlled by an elite and not the organized mass though the will of the people is just used as an ad-hoc justification for the democratic government to use power - this is why populists that get into power are unable to make the levers work correctly and they're unable to do what they are elected for. Democracy basically obfuscates what Monarchy ritualized

>>280709249 (OP)
>bad king overthrows good king
>Luffy overthrows bad king
>good king is reinstated
How are you struggling to understand a naïve children's story?

>>280709312
>Liberal Democracies and Republics are the perfected form of Government as they balanced the Will of the People along with hierarchical demands of a functioning state.
IRL proves the opposite.

Movements have to start grand, and win at large scale instead of gradually rising up organically from the ground up. First off direct election systems (US/UK) where you elect individual representatives make it nearly impossible for new interests to rise up. But even party-based systems like in most of Europe where smaller-scale perspectives can get represented still stifle any grass-roots opposition from rising up via methods like the "5%" minimum hurdle that has to be reached or otherwise the vote literally gets wasted, so no one votes for emerging parties because they want to at least make use of their votes to at least help the "lesser evil".
Even if they somehow make it in extremely rare cases, because it happens so rarely, the powers that be can send the mass media after them to discredit them or infiltrate their ranks with saboteurs, and these rare emerging parties are also very susceptible for foreign influences. If there were more of them at once, they might survive long enough to build a stable core that cannot be destroyed from within or from outside pressure, but that's exactly why the powers that be do everything in their powers to stop that from happening.

So as you see we don't actually have a Will of People because the long-eroded rivaling powers that be don't allow any new groups representing the actual current Will of the People to emerge.

>>280709249 (OP)
Lame, Pirates should be bringing down kingdoms

>>280712096
Even IRL most pirates were doing privateer jobs for their respective countries and their rulers because it was an easy way to get protection and support. Going all out yarr harr and turning every navy force into your sworn enemy is a good fucking way to end dead.

>>280709249 (OP)
based

>>280709249 (OP)
Luffy wants to be Pirate KING you dumbfuck.

This series is about GOOD KINGS.

>>280709312
you have to be over 18 to post here

>>280709249 (OP)
Good kings are chosen by the people. A yonko is like a king too.

>>280709249 (OP)
In all these examples their existing political system had been usurped by greedy, power hungry scumbags who viewed their subjects as less than cattle to be exploited. They were indeed all liberated from their oppressors. And the rightful king who ruled before the usurpers took over was put back in place.
Implicit in this exchange of bad new ruler for good old ruler is the idea that there is nothing explicitly wrong with a monarchic system of governance. It all depends on who is in charge.
Which is true for nearly every system of governance (except for socialism and communism, which always suck).
One Piece, if you haven't noticed, isn't a particularly deep political story. Oda does not pontificate on the merits or demerits of various political theories. He simply presents a place that used to be good. That has been taken over or is in the process of being subverted by bad. And then our protagonists save the people.
Kings make for a simple and straightforward shorthand to not have to expound on any complicated political rhetoric that will fly over most readers heads or bore them to fucking tears because this is a work of fiction that is meant to entertain first and foremost. It does not want to get bogged down in the details you complain about, and it doesn't need to just because you and select few others have a political stick up your ass and an axe to grind against monarchies.
In short. There is no issue, unless you're a liberal subversive leftoid.

>>280709249 (OP)
OBVIOUS BAIT!

>>280709312
And if the will of the people is to have monarchy?

>>280709249 (OP)
>Restores the Sakura Kingdom monarchy
the fuck are you talking about? he literally ousts the king and then fucks off. he doesn't "restore" anything, he leaves that to other people to do, not to mention the kingdom completely changes hands to a new line.

>>280716439
Then they don't know what's good for them. The people must be herded, cultivated, and, if out of choice, forced and violated to protect their innate rights and to get them out of the clasps of tyranny. People are easily deceived by many types of tyranny (eg. Religion and Monarchies) and must be forced to comply by more capable and intellectual people. This is what Equality means, fascist scum.

>>280716804
Freedom is earned not given.

>>280709249 (OP)
>You know I hate oppression—"
he never said that

>>280709312
>>280716804

>>280710331
>if .. manga is meant to be read as his political thoughts
We don't. Monarchy is the Common Denominator element that offends the least people since many stories have it as a fantastical element like Brooks being a skeleton.

>>280709312
>balanced the Will of the People
the people get replaced by third world terrorists even though they vote against it, the french revolution was a mistake.

>>280716804
Exactly, the will of the people is not a democrat's priority and you are perfect proof of it. Democracy has lead to greater tyranny (Starmer for one obvious blaring example) than any religion or monarchy in human history could ever dream of having. Kings were killed for less than what European politicians are now doing. It's a fake system meant to rule over people and make them ideological pawns covertly, which leads to complacency, which leads to what is happening now. You have to kill every person who even suggests to vow for this system if you want to take it down in any way.

>>280716804
>>280716439
>>280709312
>"Democracy good because people think it's good"
>But what if people don't think it's good
>"Then they just need to think it's good because it just is or something"

>>280709312
But... but the benevolent despot is the most fair and efficient form of government.