Why was he considered a villain at the start of the anime? Name one thing he did wrong/wasn't justified in

>>280726802 (OP)
FMAB has a lot of retarded shit, like genocide being an oopsie but you can't kill an inhuman sociopath because that's bad or something

>>280726881
Please contain your mental illness to one (1) thread funnyschizo.

>>280726802 (OP)
He broke the power system.

>>280726802 (OP)
just because you're correct doesn't mean you're right

>>280726802 (OP)
He was killing alchemists.

>>280726802 (OP)
he should've realized he had no enemies

>>280726802 (OP)
This is one of the big issues with the writing of FMA
It's never questioned why people who killed children in the worst way possible get to live a happy consequence free life and continue their regular work is good and someone directly affected by their actions punishing them is wrong.
I watched this years ago so excuse my bad memory but I'm pretty sure the only conversation that is had about this dilemma is roy saying "we did some pretty bad stuff back there" and edward saying "but that doesn't give him the right to kill us!!"
The writer is scared of passing moral judgement on anyone if their crimes are even a bit more complex than "heh i just enjoy killing"

Because he was murdering State Alchemists. Murder is wrong. It was only later when everyone learned WHY he was murdering people that they realized there was a government conspiracy with literal demons, Scar had kind of figured it out and was trying to target them, and they were all duped.

>>280727081
>It's never questioned why people who killed children in the worst way possible get to live a happy consequence free life and continue their regular work is good and someone directly affected by their actions punishing them is wrong.
happens all the time in real life

>>280727081
He wasn't only killing the war criminals though.

>>280726802 (OP)
he raped too many women.

>>280727310
Anyone who participates in a system that did such terrible crimes, still supports the people that did those crimes and is willing to do those crimes again is also deserving of some punishment

>>280727436
I feel like some of them were unaware of the crimes, as per >>280727145

>>280726802 (OP)
Murder is wrong. But for ill or for good, Scar, ended up living long enough to see the error of his ways.

>>280726881
>>280727081
>>280727436
it was a civil war where both sides targeted civilians. ending it in a genocide was the rational thing for a state to do (at least outwardly - it was all orchestrated of course), and ishvalans would've chosen to genocide amestris too if they had the strength for it. they werent shy about genocide either. nobody wanted another way out of the war.

>>280727588
I feel like most people knew what was going on in Ishval, that's why you had civilian doctors volunteering to go help the Ishvalans out. People call them "dogs of the military" because they're forced to obey their every order, including the bad ones
I can forgive Ed and Elric because they're just kids, but I feel like most people know what they're engaging in

>>280726802 (OP)
It might be a little jape on to what happened around the years the series was made. People protecting their home, their literal house, were labeled "terrorists" and the foreign army indiscriminately killing civilians were called "liberators". All live on TV.

>>280727711
You can't shoot someone and then go "but he would've shot me if he had a gun!!!"
Genocide is pretty inexcusable, specially because it demands the destruction of the entire race's inability to reproduce, i.e. you have to kill their youngest kin.
(If you believe the holocaust happened) Jews didn't have the right to genocide Germans after WW2

>>280726802 (OP)
Because we experience the anime from the viewpoints of state alchemists. This guy came out of nowhere and started brutally murdering state alchemists. He was completely justified in hunting down the enemy states best troops but the brothers didn’t know about the genocide, they just know a huge scary guy is gunning for them.

>>280726802 (OP)
>why was he considered the villain
That's just how propaganda goes.

The Scar storyline would have made vastly more sense if it was only one troublesome Ishvalan stronghold that the Alchemists were ordered to liquidate and it devolved into a general massacre (due to false flags by Envy or whatever) instead of total genocide.

>>280728511
forgot pic

>>280727884
Guerrilla warfare is just terrorism though. I'm presuming that FMA has pretty much the same laws - if you fight without uniform, you're just a murderer, and the military may be the sole judicial authority in a warzone. Summary executions aren't as legal anymore irl, but they used to be.

>>280728059
Unruly populations have been interned by everyone when the situation calls for it, even after WW2. Genocide takes it a bit far of course, but internment of an entire population in a devastated warzone would likely lead to the same outcome anyway, just with far more misery through starvation and disease. Not like Bradley really cared, but outwardly it might be the only realistic way to end a war if Ishvalans (and Amestrisians) generally were as hell bent on revenge as Scar was. The whole war starting over the death of one child suggests so. Envy only had to make a little push for both sides to fuck each other up.

this is why turning the other cheek is right and y'all need jesus.

>>280727081
I'm pretty sure roy was supposed to be commenting on that. I can't remember exactly what he said but he wanted to atone for everything he and amestris did as fuhrer and maybe kill himself if he strays or has done all he can do

>>280728528
The whole point was a coverup anyway, the Ishvalan genocide was to stain that area of the land red with blood as a marker for the country-wide transmutation circle Sloth was digging. There were bloody conflicts at each point on the circle to dye the land with blood, and the massacre at the North later on in the story is the last one needed. Envy would've done anything to get the Ishvalan genocide started.

>>280728554
Except when "turn the other cheek" gets misinterpreted as "bend over and take it in the ass from anyone who threatens you," which Jesus specifically did NOT teach.

He told his Apostles to carry swords, after all.

>>280726802 (OP)
Ignore Mei.

>>280726802 (OP)
>State Alchemists massacred my people so I'm going to kill the Elric brothers
>but they didn't take part in the massacre
>Edward is still a State Alchemist and as such is guilty by association
>but the regular soldiers and policemen you killed weren't State Alchemists
>they worked alongside the State Alchemists and got in my way so they were also guilty by association
>and you murdered two non-combatant medics that had just saved both your life and the lives of multiple of your people just because they weren't Ishvalan
>and you kill all these people with alchemy, the power that your people specifically don't use for religious reasons

>>280728666
Yeah, I believe it was Riza who said something along the lines that they might one day do a nuremberg trial for the Ishvalan stuff. Think it was the episode where Ed is talking to her after she gets out the shower. I just wished they focused on that instead of Father's death being the reason for a better Amestris.

>>280730134
>I just wished they focused on that
Yeah I wish they focused on the part with Riza taking a shower

>>280726909
>mental illness
If disliking an anime is mental illness, what is obsessing over it for over a decade to the point of botting MAL to artificially inflate its ranking?

>>280730006
Scar is explicitly a hypocrite blinded by revenge that's why I like him.

>>280726802 (OP)
he was a direct antagonist that wanted to kill the protagonist

I read that Scar doesn't even die like the rabid dog he is in Brotherhood, is that true?
In fact they pulled the retarded Justin Trudeu bullshit of "If you kill your enemies, they win" with him.
Inferior series if that's the case.
Like how hard was it to just shoot that fucker in the head?
Is there any series which blatantly pisses on the whole "revenge bad" bullshit, and has the hero justifyingly and viciously killing a piece of shit like Scar, even after they are begged to not do it or given the whole "if you kill him, you are just as bad as him" speech.
I want something that subverts expectations, and has a hero not being a cuck and enjoying their revenge.

>>280726881
Yet Riza is still best girl

>>280728059
>You can't shoot someone and then go "but he would've shot me if he had a gun!!!"
They did, figuratively.
Also
>(If you believe the holocaust happened) Jews didn't have the right to genocide Germans after WW2
Meds.

>>280726802 (OP)
Terrorist bla bla bla freedom fighter bla bla bla

>>280726802 (OP)
He's like a more sympathetic version of Sasuke Uchiha.

>>280728554
>this is why turning the other cheek is right and y'all need jesus.
Remember this when you think
>who could have allowed this to happen
Regarding the modern world we live in.

>>280731524
Scar deserved his revenge more than anyone. They killed what he thought was his entire race to quiet dissent after they killed a little girl.

>>280731524
He doesn't die despite trying his best to. In the process of capturing him the Elric brothers and Roy uncover the conspiracy, and Scar gets recruited in to fight the Homunculi. He's the one who fights and defeats Wrath (Fuhrer-King Bradley, avenging the Ishvalans), and activates the nationwide transmutation circle to release the Amestrian souls from Father's control, weakening him enough for Hoenheim to reuse the circle for an alkahestry technique to destroy the barrier Father placed in the earth blocking alchemists from accessing the Earth's natural energy, allowing the alchemists to use alchemy again.

After the war is over Roy allows Scar to return to the Ishvalan regions to help repopulate it, along with all the other Ishvalan refugees and survivors. He no longer hunts State Alchemists and instead teaches alchemy to the other Ishvalans, who no longer consider it heresy, which brings Ishvala and Amestris closer together.

>>280732508
You are arguing with sociopaths

03 > brotherhood
tru

>>280726802 (OP)
because

>>280732602
What shit ending, piece of shit didn't deserved redemption

>>280731752
You know what the worst tragedy of 9/11 is?
It wasn’t the 3000 americans that died in world trade center.
It was the 4,000,000 people murdered in retaliation afterwards.
The US has murdered more arabs than Hitler ever murdered jews. Let that sink in for a moment.

>>280735067
Nothing of value was lost

>>280735067
Murder means it's illegal.
The holocaust happened.
And jews/muslims should both be glassed off this earth.

Now why don't you go back to spamming /pol/ or fucking goats instead of shilling using /a/ to shill political beliefs and conspiracy theories.

>>280735584
>Now why don't you go back to spamming /pol/ or fucking goats instead of shilling using /a/ to shill political beliefs and conspiracy theories.
these are just facts. nothing more, nothing less

>>280735953
>these are just facts. nothing more, nothing less
Obviously.
Why would I tell lies?

>>280732508
It pissed me off so much Winry was not allowed to have her revenge as well

>>280728554
>turning the other cheek
is not what you think it is, but this is not the board...
Man I am happy there is at least one (1) thread with actual people in it and no bots

>>280726881
FPBP

>>280726802 (OP)
He wasn't a manlet like Ed

>>280726802 (OP)
Are you dumb bro, he was considered a bad guy by the protagonist who was a child and didn't participate in the genocide or even know much about it. It's literally the perspective of a naive kid, not the objective truth of the story.