Now that the dust has settled, who was in the wrong here?

All this Katori talk is making me irritated none of my Katori doujins have come in yet. I didn’t think I’d be able to get them uploaded by the time the next chapter was due to be out, but now I’m sure I won’t be able to.

>>280726934 (OP)
Tamakoma.

>>280726934 (OP)
Wonder why no one cuts off just the weight constructs like Viza did

All of them, they all need to start working on their attitudes towards each other, define the hierarchy (Either Jackson or Hana becomes the captain), and finally understand that Miura and Jackson should be enabling Katori and create setups for her.

>>280727079
Because is still way too heavy after getting trimmed.
Organon is thing so it can be trimmed even more.

>>280726934 (OP)
Border management for allowing such a clearly dysfunctional squad to continue existing. If it really was just a sports manga then sure, that's just the squads problem that they're retarded losers. But their incompetence could jeopardize the lives of civilians and their fellow agents.

>>280727079
most people don't have 5280935720384 spinning blades that cut through everything.

>>280727117
Hana really should be the captain

>>280726934 (OP)
Hana.
She knows that Katori and Wakamura listens to her and Miura would anything Katori says but she chooses to let her idiots to fight like retarded monkeys.

>>280727079
I wonder how tough it is. Organon being able to cut through something doesn't tell us much about its durability. That thing could probably slice border HQ in half.

>>280726934 (OP)
In that specific panel? Wakamura, of course, throwing blame around in the middle of battle, when they need to get to cover, is stupid.

>>280726934 (OP)
This is all Jin's fault somehow.

>>280727079
Because their own bodies were hit by the bullets, while viza's blades were the ones that were hit. The real question is how aftocrafter's cloak can simply purge lead weights from the body.

>>280727079
Organon looks like the toughest Black Trigger to use. It seems high skill.

>>280726048
If you compare it to non-Fujin BTs it's definitely not on par with them. The crab too. They're certainly stronger than normal triggers. But nowhere near as battle defining as BTs.

>>280727198
stop posting hyuse

>>280726934 (OP)
T-2 for being uppity rookies
They should know their place

>>280727289
Lambiris is basically 8 Border triggers in one.

>>280727323
Reflecting bullets and camouflage were just unnecessary.

There is a A rank team with an operator as a captain for the anon asking. Led by Suwa ex kuhai and future wife.

>>280727226
>how aftocrafter's cloak can simply purge lead weights from the body
They can't. His cloak took the lead bullets and he then he regenerated the cloak. While it's not its intended purpose, bagworm could potentially do the same.

>>280727383
Woah, you're right, bagworm is actually a good counter to lead bullets.

>>280726934 (OP)
Kako for not recruiting Katori

>>280727323
I will be honest, Lambiris looks like a better trigger than Fujin.
Sure, it doesn't give the massive +30 trion, but it has so many functions that it makes Fujin looks like a pump and dump slut.

>>280726934 (OP)
The problem with Katori squad is that they joined as "friends", exacerbated each other problems, and each contribute to the issue in a way that makes it "obviously" everyone else's fault to each person

>>280727380
Kusakabe, Midorikawa's Captain.

>>280724302
The real best KTR. Hopefully after the test, Kakizaki will be a captain deserving of him and Teruya. And in the meantime he can have fun with Yuma.

>>280727447
Futaba doesn't like bitches.

>>280727323
To be fair, a Border trigger holder can hold 8 triggers.
While Lambiris seems to be Hyuse's only trigger.

>>280727604
Plus Aftocape

>>280727380
Kusakabe, and funnily she got filtered by Kitora. However, I think it is a blessing for the squad to have her as the captain, because every member is a powerhouse (Midorikawa, Satomi, the double raygust guy, and we don't know much about the sniper but he must be strong).

>>280726934 (OP)
>Katori
is at fault for being too kind to call her friends unusable shitters and instead choosing to just grind herself to death, slowly choking under the burden. As a high performing ace she is the worst choice to be the captain, not to mention her communication issues which only aggravate things.
>Jackson
for being blind in both eyes and wanting too much. His tiered and dying captain tells him
>if we suck its fine, it just means we suck
and he just flips. Kinda weird if you ask me. Is he doing anything to warrant this? maybe solo killing people all over the map? no? I wonder then why is he so adamant about keeping top tier? Its not like it was his achievement.
>Yuta
for being a complete castrate, the girl he likes is looking like a road kill, maybe he could come up with some strategies or step up more? For example he managed to save Katori twice, he is really good at that, so why doesn't he get a raygust? its really hard to coordinate attackers and he will never match Katori's speed, so instead he could be a knight in shining armor, with his natural saving tendencies he will be able to do so much more.
>Hana
For everything. Smartest cookie around. Complete awareness of all issues. Doesn't do the obvious and take the reigns. The moment Hana becomes the captain its over for half of the top tier teams. Katori will eat them alive. Honestly, even solo Katori + Hana-captain > Katori squad and its not close, but with few minute additions they can become so much better.

>>280727488
Kazama is missing in this picture

>>280727702
>is at fault for being too kind
No, it's for being a bitch who can't even do some basic communication you simp.
Katori has attitude problems no matter where and border agrees.

>>280727669
The double Raygust guy is from the Katagiri squad

>>280727538
>Anons praying for KTR to join T-2
>Monkey's paw
>The shota KTR joins T-2
I would kek real fucking hard

>>280727749
Not that anon, but Katori is both kind and a bitch at the same time. She is also a huge coward too.
She doesn't have the stomach to tell Wakamura that he is an useless piece of shit who can't even serve as a support and she is a bitch who picks fights whenever she opens her mouth.
Don't be a Wakamura.
Don't be a female K*T*R (male K*T*R* is fine).

>>280727776
My bad, I fucked up and mixed them in my head. This is why I need to see more A-ranks in action, my memory works better that way

>>280727722
He's there, chameleon hugging Osamu's arm

>>280727787
I like him partially because he reminds me of a lizard.

>>280727488
Twitter fanart about Osamu geting yahoo by girls?

>>280727604
And no bailout. Our baseline is border's nerfed triggers.

>>280727538
Kakizaki is a really good guy with his feet firmly on the ground, yeah he is a bit wishy washy but it hardly matters. he will be fine.

>>280727930
He should honestly get some BALLS OF STEEL lessons from osamu.
He's a true shitter but actually willing to take risks.

I’ve been thinking about chika’s ibis lead bullet and I think it could be used to create massive roadblocks which would be useful for defending the beacons even after she gets inevitably targeted.

>>280727702
>and he just flips. Kinda weird if you ask me.
The reason he gets mad is because he knows Katori can be better. That being said, it's not his place to say so since he's not the captain.

>>280727117
Finally a sound opinion in a sea Katori simps

>>280727930
He's a good guy. But he's right in his assessment of himself. He's holding his squadmates back. But because he's aware of that shortcoming he has a chance to correct it, and I'm optimistic that he will.

>>280728007
It's better to just use Escudo at that point

>>280728044
He's right that his team should be way better than it is, on paper.

>>280727749
Katori gives full command over her to Jackson, in advance so he has time to strategize, instead he gets them all killed by freezing up, failing to plan anything and just spacing out in stupor. Katori doesn't blame him in any way and instead says that its fine.
This is a bitch. lmao

>>280728007
The cheese strat is to have Chika equipping Raygust and Scorpion.
Chika activates Raygust and Scorpion and wraps it around her body like a spiky cannon ball then the Chika Ball is launched with a combination between Escudo and Grasshopper.

>>280727122
I'm guessing most lower B-squads are like that, and the C-rankers too, judging by the trio of idiots.
It's actually surprising how far Katori squad managed to climb with such dysfunctional team.
>Inb4: We made this squad wrong as a joke

>>280728044
no matter what happens Kakizaki will be fine, he solved bigger issues than this.

>>280728051
>makes a fucking skyscraper

>>280727117
Yeah, maybe the core problem is no wants the captain responsibility. Hana can plan strategies but doesn't want to take charge. Katori can make fast decisions but doesn't want to to plan.
Wakamura and Miura just want to follow orders.

>>280728116
Katori squad can climb because she can solo the mid squads as long as the spawning is not utter shit.

>>280728083
>all this waste.
spam Salamander & Hornet until the map looks like moon.

>>280728152
Wakamura wants to take charge but can't make any kind of decision for shit

>>280727317
Katori get out of borderchan and go watch the logs!

Nasu my beloved

>>280727871
Excuse me, Yuma is not a girl

>>280728175
Meteor + Metoer composite.

Wakamura is the true underdog and will rise up.
It'll be fucking sad if he doesn't after getting roasted and humiliated in the homework arc

>>280728175
Hyuse's desired strat for the final round would simply work.
Have big dick nino trion protect her with shield, azuma can just snipe around while ema blushes.
Literally retard proof.

>>280727837
He's a good boy and looks eager to learn new shit, so he's in my favorite B-rankers.

>>280728116
Most mid squads will be torn to shreds by Katori alone, the better ones will be able to trade blows and only loose one or two members. Meanwhile she will kill 3 low-b teams herself without being hit.

>>280728073
That is a bitch move, yes. A captain responding to criticism by offloading all leadership responsibility onto a subordinate with a few days for them to try and figure out that role is total passive aggressive cancer.

>>280728116
Katori is A-rank level if not for her planning and communication issues.

>>280728276
lmao

>>280728290
She needs to be tard wrangled, hard.
What a-rank team could do that while being willing to put up with her?

>>280728276
This take is as bad as the Katori simps take.

>>280728246
I just realized Hyuse's team is broken as fuck. They are three trion monsters that can just call down nukes on the battlefield and do what Amo did in the Afto invasion.

>>280728276
It's easy to criticize the captain and tell her to just do better when you have no idea what the job itself is like. That experience should have given Jackson some much needed perspective.

>>280728290
we actually never see the full potential Katori. Even the captain hunt was only 60-70%~. She is too overworked. A month of proper rest, a simple plan to execute, and I'm pretty sure she would ruin someone's day.

>>280728321
Only Suwa, but he is a B-rank captain and he is happy with his bros and operator.

>>280728343
See, this is exactly what I'm talking about. It's dismissing the validity of someone's criticisms not by actually addressing them but by setting them up for guaranteed failure as a gotcha. Katori couldn't figure out how to be a captain after two seasons, but Jackson is supposed to figure it out between two matches or his opinion is invalid.

>>280728432
We know that, but there's surely MORE people who would be able to.
I want to think kazama would he would cut her out of the team the moment she acts retarded.

>>280728321
Why would anyone want to deal with her? Border is full of competent agents who are agreeable and easy to work with.

>>280727480
Lambris might be better for general one-on-one combat.
But Fujin is very strong as a 'sniper' like support capable of assisting in multiple ongoing battles at once
It's just used suboptimally in the invasions we've seen because Fujin's user is always absent for most of the time.

>>280728456
But she didn't give him the temporary captain for an ulterior motive. Only those who self identify with Wakamura things that anything Katori does is out of malice.

>>280728321
Kazama, but honestly dealing with both Kikuchihara AND Katori sounds like hell

>>280728521
Even if she was a top tier agent, I bet that most agents would prefer to take an average agent than a tickling time bomb.
The only one from Katori squad I could imagine recruiting is Hana.
Katori: Bitch.
Wakamura: Bitch.
Miura: Wallpaper.

>>280728594
Kikuchihara may talk shit, but he's a hard worker who listens to instructions and is generally agreeable.
He's also a cunt and a troll in your favor, b ut I agree they'd tear each other apart, because katori is overly sensitive and kikuchihara's mouth is retarded.

>>280728544
The biggest problem with Fujin is that is a glorified sniper.
It has a huge range and you don't need to be Touma to do a super long sniping, but that's almost the only thing it can do. It's second role is to be a deadly trap.
The worst thing is that it has a limited amount of bullets before it has to be charged so it's near useless in close combat unless you are Jin.
It doesn't help that its slashes can be blocekd with focused guards.

>>280728647
Also Kikuchihara is just annoyed all the time due to his side effect. Imagine some insufferable bitch complaining loudly to you and her voice sounds even louder. Honestly, I'd pay to see him roasting her

>>280728321
The guy who has a neighborx2 and a trion monster sound good for the task

>>280728703
It also has to travel along the ground and objects unlike a sniper bullet so can't hit anyone in the air.
And most of Afto's invaders could fly...

>>280728703
Fujin is a weird combination of all three main roles: It has blades like Kogetsu (Attacker), it has multiple blades akin to bullets (Shooter/Gunner), and on top of that is has insane reach (Sniper).
I think it's efficacy in battle depends on the user's philosophy and experience. An all-rounder will use it slightly differently from let's say, a sniper.

>>280727128
skill issues

>>280728772
Yuma would rape that bitch the moment he disrespected osamu.
Ironically he wouldn't take it too hard but Yuma would. Chika probably too.
Hyuse is just largely autistic even so I feel Ashihara uses him too much to move characters along with his verbal beatdowns, I still don't like how he's written at times.

>>280728772
That guy doesn't like her.

>>280728321
Not an A-rank but Azuma, he managed to put Ninomiya, Kako and Miwa to work together and reached the top with them.

>>280728321
A lot of people would put her in her place, not necessarily A-Rankers: Nino, Kage, Midorikawa, Kitora, Tachikawa would bully her relentlessly, Kazama, etc.

I'd like to see Arafune trying to tame her, because he seems like somebody who has infinite patience and thick skin.

>>280728879
My bad I wanted to type Azuma instead of Arafune.

>>280728870
I think Azuma would reject that.
He already put that with that catastrophe, look at his new kids, all cute and retarded but also very obedient and willing.

>>280728456
He criticized her reckless approach to things and the way she commands a squad. She doesn't know how to do better, so she gives him the reins thinking that maybe he can do better, since he talks about it all the time. You are once again ignoring that she doesn't blame Wakamura for his poor results, far away from it, she even absolves him of the blame by saying that it just shows the limits of their collective power and not his fault. This is not a bitch behavior

What do you think it feels like for a trion body to take damage?
I can't imagine it feels painful, but it has to feel like something, right? Otherwise you wouldn't even know you're getting hit.

>>280728456
"Guaranteed failure"? It was perfectly possible that Jackson would do decently in the role. Have you considered that perhaps Katori was trying to find some way to offload some of the responsibility, try out if the squad could work without her being the captain?

>>280728798
And trapper. You can also set traps with it.
Fujin is just a role compression trigger. Rather than doing anything outstanding, it just does everything.

>>280728947
>Q: Do Trion bodies feel pain from Trigger attacks?
A: There is a pain sensation that tells you what part of your body got damaged. This can be turned completely off.

>>280728813
Hyuse was meaner to Osamu than Katori ever was through the entirety of sealed environment and she hated him with passion, yet for some reason Yuma didn't rape him.

>>280726934 (OP)
I think that an orgy would do wonders for the entire Katori squad.

>>280728813
Yuma is not that protective of Osamu, he knows he's a big boy who can deal with personal insults.
He only got pissed at Midorikawa for making a show of it and gathering a crowd.
He would let Osamu's results do the talking in a Katori conflict.

Katori is Konami if Konami didn't have proper mentors and reliable allies.

>>280729003
You are right. I wonder if the Spotter role was created based on something Border acquired or saw in the neighborhood.

>>280729021
Hyuse makes constructive criticism, katori just lashes out blindly.

>>280729021
Yes but he was mean with a purpose, not just to ruin Osamu's day. Hyuse just lacks tact but he is honest and wants the team to make it to the away mission

could konami x hyuse ever sail

>>280729139
She doesn't, like at all. Even when she is completely boiling she has a different reaction.

>>280728556
You're the one talking about it putting Jackson in his place and shutting him up. You see a guy fail at an impossible task and talk about "much needed perspective". That's why it was a bitch move from her. Her actual motive was that she's an incompetent leader who can't handle things not going her way so she gave up and thoughtlessly passed off the problem to someone else. Key word thoughtlessly. Because it had the inevitable and obvious consequence of shitting on Jackson and making him look bad for criticizing her leadership. Which is why one of her simps brought it up in the first place as a defense of her.
She acts all worried for her teammates during the test. But she also puts them in shit situations like that herself. Especially Hana. At least with Jackson, he's his own worst enemy.

>>280729177
Only as a fling

why does everyone turn into a retard when talking about katori

>>280729219
The squad is a perfectly concocted ball of toxic group dynamics that makes it real easy for people to project on individual members and see the whole dynamic against them

>>280729219
>people who simp for her vs people who've actually had to deal with people like her

>>280728601
I would take Miura over Hana. He's a simp, but he still carries out his duties to what appears to be the best of his ability. Hana is so passive and conflict avoidant that it diminishes her ability to do her job at the level she is capable of.

>>280729192
Do you think having perspective is a bad thing?
There is no better time to try out being a captain than in rank wars, there is zero stakes, it's all a game. He was making suggestions how to be a captain so it makes sense to give him a chance. If it goes well, good, if not, maybe he learns something and can try again later or give better suggestions.

>>280729192
why must Katori blow feathers from Jackson when he is shouting at her? No really why?

>>280728321
Karasuma obviously. She'd just be a puppy for him, and so far he's been pretty unflappable.

>>280729271
I think she'd do great in a decent team she has no emotional investment in.

>>280728601
This idea is about to backfire so bad when Reetardoti cuts her way through A-ranks. 13 point wonder, here it comes.

>>280729219
this is the closest thing to drama this manga has and people are naturally taking it personally

>>280729356
Jackson is actually drama.

>>280729278
I wouldn't say there's zero stakes exactly - becoming A rank is kind of a big deal because you go from just getting paid on a commission basis to getting a proper salary. Most B Ranks are high schoolers who live off their parents or whatever but as they get older the lack of results will probably make a lot of them have to leave Border to pursue a proper paying job.

>>280729219
Fake trion

>>280729192
It is not an impossible task. It is just a task. Try out the role of captain. Every captain starts that, with giving it a try.

>>280729450
so you are saying Katori is fucking paying Jackson for the privilege of being an anchor and he is seething because she doesn't pay him more? damn suddenly a lot of things make sense

I think Katori Squad is the only entirely toxic and dysfunctional team in Border. You got Urushima who is a greedy fuck but at least delivers, you got rude people like Kitora and Kikuchihara who can back up their words, who have a good side, even Kage has a likeable side. There are more examples of people with bad traits, like Inukai, Nino, Midorikawa, that have at least some degree of cooperability (and yes, Nino is a dick but his three remaining squadmates are willing to work with him without complaining all the time).

>>280729508
I suspect it will be revealed that Urushima is so money oriented because he's funding his Operatorgf's family or something

>>280729257
It's kinda hilarious how all their worst aspects feed into the shit storm. I'm glad the homework ark is breaking them out of their bad habits, or at least Wakamura out of his.

>>280729508
Katori was top tier for 3~ seasons, well above Urushima and even despite their drop ended above Urushima.

>>280729450
To be fair, when Katori suggested that it was after the 7th round.. So there was no possible way for them to compete to reach A-rank as they only had 27 points.
Even if they got every kill in the match + the survival bonus, they could at best come 4th overall.
So the only thing on the line was their team rank.

>>280729278
>Do you think having perspective is a bad thing?
Can you at least try to put together an honest response?
>there is zero stakes
If this were true the original anon that brought it up wouldn't have. The stakes were the validity of Jackon's criticisms. If he loses it is seen as absolving Katori of responsibility and instead placing it on him. This despite the fact that he was in a much weaker position to win than her due to the disparity in experience.
That wasn't her intention, but it was the predictable outcome. And it's precisely what Katori simps have taken from that match.

>>280729695
reply, creature. >>280729288

>>280729553
We just need to see a few episodes during the extended rank wars where Miura gets called out for being a soft simp and grow some balls, same with Hana being a non-factor, and we've got another top B Rank team.

>>280729495
Context matters. Communication too.
Imagine instead it's Kakizaki squad. He tells his squadmates his regrets about certain calls and that he's interested in shaking things up with their ideas. He asks if either Teruya or Tomoe would like to take the reins in either of their remaining matches, their choice which. They still all collaborate on overall strategy.
That would put substantially less pressure and expectation on them. And if they did lose it would reflect much less negatively on them. That's the sort of environment where you give someone a chance to try out leading. Not after an intense argument over the current leader's capabilities.

>>280730015
Hana captain is all that needs to happen if the goal just a stable top tier b-rank. T2, Ko, Kage, Nino, Azuma, Yuba are competition. everyone else will be consumed by Katori without much issues. Which puts her at b-rank 6-7 depending.

dam we still doin black box arguments huh

>>280729727
This reply doesn't even make sense.

>>280730159
Honestly, if Jackson grows some balls and pulls the team together as captain as intended by the exam arc it would work better.
He even has his kinda uncooperative super ace who shits on him in the team.

>>280730157
why is it fine for Rokuro to start shouting at his direct commander but said commander must blow dust from his head and make sure that the precious flower doesn't wither from the pressure?
where is the logic?
I understand if the argument was meritocracy or humanity. This is neither.

>>280730290
>be captain
>suck shit at managing team and morale
>but I get points!
That's Katori, she's just not a captain.

>>280730198
It's fun.

>>280730198
This particular argument will be black boxed until almost the end of the dump.

>>280723560
I think it's sort of the opposite. He's acknowledging Katori squads' strength in that he thinks it's more likely that Yuma can quickly clear up Kakizaki squad and they can regroup. Whereas sending Yuma against Katori would probably delay and/or damage him too much.
That and the meteors clearing wires thing.

>>280730246
how fucking dare you. Hyuse is EXTREMELY cooperative. He is literally sucking Wakamura off. Hyuse was shitting on Four-eyes to the point of telling him in the face that he would ignore his orders if he didin't like them, and then he fucking did. Meanwhile he is treating Rokuro like the most precious porcelain and making sure he always has a way out, even that barrage, after all that he gave him the bicycle analogy to cheer him up and show him the way out, fucking slobbering that shit all over.

>>280730371
I always just figured they sent Osamu at the squad that had someone crippled, nothing deeper than that

>>280730398
hyuse is cooperative as long as he agrees with stuff, that's not going to change.
And destroying people you have to work with isn't good.

>>280730371
Odds of Yuma surviving any encounter against anyone > odds of Four-eyes living against an ant with a gun. Osamu just had a brutal lesson about overconfidence being a really fast killer, no way in hell he is doing that. Also we know that Katori squad logs have a certain information in them, that guarantees Four-eye chose to hold this team because effectively its 2 vs 1. Chika & Osamu vs Katori.

>>280730290
>must blow dust from his head
Who is saying this? Are you incapable of understanding that continuing to refuse to do your job and throwing your subordinate to the wolves was not the only option? Hyuse wasn't nice to him. But he was at least constructive. She could also try addressing Jackon's misconceptions about her that she herself had been perpetuating, as the anon in the last thread was talking about. The ball was in her court and she decided not to play.

>>280730543
Hyuse literally only took those actions because Wakamura finally sacked up and actually asked why he sucked so bad though, which is something he never did or even considered as part of Katori squad. Before he seperated from her and saw how badly he sucked ass without her he never even would've thought that he was the problem

>>280730241
no it does. you are demanding Katori to treat Wakamura with respect and thoughtful care, when he is shouting at her face, completely blind to her problems. Wakamura is the one who initiated the conflict. Katori was fine with dropping down the ranks but Wakamura wasn't, to the point he started shouting at his captain.
Yet you demand time after time that Katori treats Wakamura with "thoughtful" care. Why?

>>280730198
Still a better captain than Katori

>>280730543
>That's why it was a bitch move from her. Her actual motive was that she's an incompetent leader who can't handle things not going her way so she gave up and thoughtlessly passed off the problem to someone else. Key word thoughtlessly. Because it had the inevitable and obvious consequence of shitting on Jackson and making him look bad for criticizing her leadership
this entire thing.
>oh no she made him look bad.
how do you think it feels when your subordinate shouts at you for not being "good enough"? by the way nobody but Katori squad knew that Jackson was in command for that match, no representational damage.

>>280730773
At least his team likes him for normal reasons beyond
>she's my cf
>she's hot

>>280730501
Regardless of which squad he went up against Osamu was going to be super defensive and just focus on delaying them. That's a lot safer than trying to do a real confrontation, so even against stronger opponents he can potentially survive for a while with adequate prep. But ace vs ace violence is really unpredictable. Everyone thought Ko was going to beat Yuma but he managed to snatch a victory. Even a true 1v1 between Yuma and Katori would put T-2's strategy at greater risk than him going for Kakizaki squad. Even if they get the upper hand against him, it's unlikely to result in his immediate death and he can just back off and try something different. Not so if soloing Katori. One wrong move and he's dead.

>>280730773
Gatlin is actually insane. easily top 5 captains out of the ones we saw, including afto's giga monster.

Almost a decade and I don't know how to link a post, so I'll just dump some memes you guys figured it out where it belongs

>>280730859

>>280730859
>Katori

>>280730638
>and saw how badly he sucked ass
Why do you simps keep trying this? Jackson was already well aware that he sucks. It comes up in his argument with Katori and is why he sought out help from Inukai.
Hyuse was just the first person to give him a decent answer.

>>280730773
With all this talk about the role of captain, I gotta wonder how the Ikoma squad works.
Like there's no way he's teaching like Azuma. Or planning like Osamu. Isn't Ikoma just their ace, like a more skilled Katori?

>>280729192
You are confusing anons. Not everyone who disagree with you and think that Wakamura is a retard is the Katori simp.

>>280730937
Ikoma squad doesn't have an issue because Ikoma is a captain just in name.

>>280730935
>Jackson was already well aware that he sucks
oh really? do you need the page with the faces on b-rank and Hyuse asking him if his perception aligns with the image?
His only thoughts where and I quote "I still think that Katori should be lower"

>>280730773
Gatlin is a good captain, being better than Katori as a captain is hardly a praise.

>>280730935
Brother his entire spiel in his introduction was directed at trying to get Katori to "try harder", which is a ludicrous thing to ask an ace who has already carried you past where you SHOULD be.

>>280730665
I'm not demanding anything. I'm pointing out that she's a garbage captain whose decisions make everything worse. And that despite caring for her squadmates she's one of the principal parties in making their situations worse.
>Wakamura is the one who initiated the conflict
When you get fired from your job after deciding to conspicuously refuse to do it, your boss is not the one initiating that conflict. Just letting you know now since it seems like that might end up being an issue for you at some point.

>>280730157
Katori is a shit captain, but she didn't give him that role out of malice.
Katori sucks as a captain and has shitty communication skills.

>>280730773
Gatlin is Shinoda-tier and lets his entire squad eat his wife's home cooking, even Reghi. Most anons wouldn't be so magnanimous.

>>280729633
It gives a bit of seeding advantage to end high

if you need to put every fucking post in spoiler tags you should probably just stop

guys are we still in the farm? if not do you ever think how many of the people in border will die in the expedition(+ some possible invasion)

>>280730805
It's not just about making him look bad. In fact, that's not even the worst part. The biggest issue is how it fucks over the entire squad. Without the away mission test to save them, that stunt ends their squad. They already had issues with Hana and Miura being too passive about the squad's issues. Jackson's failed attempt at leadership silenced and discredited the one voice of criticism in a failing and dysfunctional team. From that point on Katori's incompetence would crash them into the ground with zero objection or possibility to correct course.

>>280731187
The only Border characters I could ever see dying are Kido or Jin and I don't even know how you'd get into a situation where the former happens.

>>280729219
Because the discussion is about Katori and Wakamura.
Those who only sides with Katori and those who only sides Wakamura only have the most stupid takes on their issues.

>>280730937
They are absolute gigachads, just talking shit and flirting with Maori until the match starts.

>>280730773
Jin is just OP, it was basically a fullproof plan if there wasn't esp bullshit involved.

>>280730993
You literally just had him telling her to her face that he knows that he sucks. This attempt to frame him as unaware that he was shit is insane.

>>280731309
Jin is bullshit.
When are they going to show neighbors with equally bullshit side effects.

This shitflinging argument just proves to me what makes WT so great. Ashihara is able to write such great characters and have the interactions between them fuel the plot and tactics in a compelling way. Here he is writing a story about a dysfunctional squad, and everyone in the thread agrees there's a problem, and they're completely confident who the problem person is in the dynamic, and it's entirely different people for different reasons because this shit is such a messy trainwreck it can't even be untangled with the power of reader spectatorship, but no one is blaming the writing because these are all types of real people we've seen and dealt with in our lives.

>>280731340
I don't think there's anything that beats
>I can see the future bro!

>>280731046
>captain
>didn't know anything about the team of border celebrities they were going against
The only unreasonable part of telling her to try harder is that it should actually been telling her to try at all.

>>280731065
No you are demanding. You are saying that Katori should have been more thoughtful and gone about it in nicer way, rolling out a red carpet for Jackson to walk on and making sure he doesn't get lost by chance. All while not addressing anything Jackson ever did and glazing him at every opportunity.
>When you get fired from your job after deciding to conspicuously refuse to do it, your boss is not the one initiating that conflict
are you serious? Katori is the boss. She is the captain. Katori Squad not Wakamura squad. Jackson is in that squad because he is friends with Katori's brother. Literal nepo baby. And despite being carried, despite getting everything for free, after his leader, his boss tells him
>its fine if we lose this one, it is what it is.
he starts shouting like a kicked chihuahua.
You know what happens when you disagree with your boss to the point of rising your voice in his general direction? Pretty sure you do.
As for what happens to actual humans who have an existential conflict with their superior in a work place, they don't shout about it, they just quit. If a person doesn't like his boss 9/10 they just walk out, done and gone. Its that simple. No shouting matches, no drama, poof -1 on your pop card.
>Just letting you know now since it seems like that might end up being an issue for you at some point.
I'm gona write a strongly worded letter to myself to fire myself. quaking in my boots.

>>280731329
He knows he is shit, but he doesn't know that he is completely useless.
Osamu faced the same problem and he tried to look for ways to not be a bagagge instead of asking Yuma to try harder.
Wakamura is trying to be a better agent by training, but he is not trying to look for ways to contribute to the squad, probably because he doesn't know how useless he actually is.

>>280731405
>You are saying that Katori should have been more thoughtful and gone about it in nicer way
No but she's the fucking captain, if her method of doing things doesn't work for her subordinates then she's doing a poor fucking job

>>280726934 (OP)
>wants Karasuma’s dick
>wants Katori’s pussy
>wants Hana’s pussy
>wants Arashiyama’s dick
what the hell is this squad?

>>280731340
The moment Jin saw osamu, it was over for Afto.
He has a fate set in stone in that regard.

>>280731405
dude just stop katori isn't real she won't have sex with you

>>280731432
A squad doomed for failure.

>>280731432
A self fulfilling prophecy.

>>280731329
explain or face the wall

>>280731428
yeah, and I'm not arguing that she is a good captain. boss bad = quit.

>>280731401
I'm not arguing Katori is a good captain but Wakamura is equally complicit in the squads suckitude
Which is exactly why Katori squad is so interesting

>>280731427
Wakamura has a fundamentally different issue from Osamu. By Kitora's credible estimate Osamu would be Upper B tier given 2 years. Wakamura has had 2 years and is still a shitter.

>>280731432
normal teenagers actually. border is full of reasonable 30+ years old with stable personalities, so these guys stand out a lot.

>>280731405
>Katori should have been more thoughtful
Yes. You should generally think through your actions to determine if they will actually accomplish what you want or just make things worse. I've criticized Jackson for similarly stupid shit like arguing during the match.
>and gone about it in nicer way
No, she can be mean to him. The point is to address their actual problems. Her entire squad is steaming garbage for a variety of reasons. And she's the captain of that squad.

>>280731432
>Hana Somei
>Likes: working through problems
Lol. Lmao even.

>>280731531
It's the same problem, the difference is that Osamu cleared his hurdle while Wakamura is stuck.
Osamu personality and desperation allows him to see where he is failing and that he is an useless bagagge that is fully relying on Yuma, but Wakamura needs someone to tell him the harsh truth withotu caring about hurting his feelings for him to start facing his wall properly.

>>280731605
If the problems end she can't work through them

>>280731605
Clearly she only cares about logical problems rather than emotional issues.

>>280731378
>>280731340
There’s gotta be a mindreader in the neighborhood. Would make for an interesting 1v1 with Jin

>>280731427
I really dislike how the Inukai training thing was handled. Osamu also completely misunderstood what multiple of his mentors were trying to get him to do. But in the end Kitora finally set him straight. Jackson didn't get his Kitora talk until Hyuse. It only took a few weeks for people to correct Osamu. Inukai let Jackson spin his wheels for months, maybe even over a year. And yet that's used as a criticism against Jackson. Should he have taken more initiative? Yes. But that wasn't the kind of student he was and it's ultimately the job of a mentor to recognize that sort of thing and address it.

>>280731751
Throw Taichi their way.
Enjoy the results.

Kakizaki's best feature is clearly the ability to smooth things over, considering the team he manages in the away squad arc.

>>280731751
Can a mindreader handle being able to see multiples futures? Even ones where Jin saved a thousand lives by slapping Kuma ass?

>>280731753
Yeah Kitora basically just gave Osamu the solution while Inukai just trained Wakamura wrong lol hope he figures it out.

>>280731608
It's not. Osamu's issue is that he thought there's a magic training method that could somehow bridge a gap of years of experience in a week. And he learned that there's no shame whatsoever in leaving Kuga in charge of points and that making things easier for him is something he can do in a week. Wakamura has 2ish years of experience but has somehow failed to convert it into any relevant skills. Neither improving his point getting nor his supporting.

>>280731753
Even in the case of Kitora "setting him straight", that happened because Osamu actively and immediately sought out new things when what he has wasn't working, and intuited the answers she was trying to give before she finishes her explanation, and entirely unprompted from just context clues.

>>280731580
during the match is half the issue, a shouting match right before the battle is much worse.
My issue with people shitting on Katori is that, to put it simply, they are asking too much from a person who already does a lot. Yeah, she does it in a wrong direction and for that she deserves to be called a fucking retard, because she is one, but that comes down to inexperience. Ultimately all results ever produced by her squad were produced by her and her alone, this means 3 guys have freedom to figure shit out and help.
Yeah, imagine subordinates helping superiors, literally unheard off.
Katori's squad mates, all of them, are trash. None are helping an inexperienced captain who is also an ace to do shit. Instead its demands, empty stare or Hana's - just do whatever. How exactly is a person who is already struggling is supposed to figure out what to do? I've seen people burn out with less stress. Under these conditions Katori makes a call to take it lightly and not care about her ranking during the match. And then the absolute fucker has the audacity to turn the pressure up
>we can't afford to go any lower
>you are always like that
who is he exactly, to open his mouth like that on his captain and demand things?

>>280732031
why do you take it so personally, katori sucks get over it

>>280732124
Stop posting and focus on the strategy meeting Katori

>>280731899
Osamu trying to find a magic training method was the solution he came with to fix his uselessness. Wakamura failed one step behind that.
Wakamura has yet to realize that he is useless. He only started to suspect that in the middle of the away ship test and he confirmed it when he had the balls to ask Hyuse what's the difference between him and Osamu and got the harsh truth..
Katori is shit, but half of the blame lies in Wakamura for being an entitled piece of shit.
The problem is worse because everyone in Katori squad are good friends who really care about each other so they are afraid of hurting each other for real.

>>280731464
This is entirely about Jackson not understanding why he sucks, not that he sucks. The whole reason this conversation starts is because he knows he's shit but doesn't get why. Like Osamu, he had incorrectly concluded that his problem was his individual fighting ability.

>>280732291
No, he ranked his team skills way too high. He doesn't know he is truly useless until Hyuse told him he he was hard carried by Katori.
Like you said, Wakamura knows he is shit and doesn't know why, but he also doesn't know that he is not only shit, he is useless. He was trying to climb the wrong wall all this time. He first needs to fix his uselessness in team combat.

>>280732291
No my guy. he was asked directly
>would you say this aligns with your perception?
and he said
>sure
while thinking
>I still feel like he's placed Yoko too high
are you literally blind? relaying on some text to speech thing? if so I apologize, you are pretty good.

>>280731435
Do you think he saw Osamu becoming a god?

>>280732423
There was a good chance Osamu just dies before that and Jin only sees far into the future if its set.

>>280731968
Osamu and Jackson are different people. They're going to take things different ways. There's plenty of agents that wouldn't have needed the scolding from Kazama that Hisato got over saving Suwa. But he did. And Kazama giving it to him helped him and made him a better agent. It's the same with Jackson. He was more content than Osamu to just trust the plan and assume that whatever Inukai had him doing would work eventually. He needs direct communication like what Hyuse gave him.

>>280731772
Taichi confirmed A-Rank material.

>>280731882
Kitora gave Osamu the solution once he was ready to hear it.
Osamu knew after the match against Nasu squad that he was useless.
Wakamura had almost 2 years of being carried and still didn't know he was useless. Only knowing that he is weak was not enough for him to grow. If he is so slow at understanding, someone had to tell him that, not everyone aer good at undrestanding themselves and it doesn't help that Katori refuses to tell him directly without any of her toxic vitrol that she is hard carrying him and he is not doing anything for the squad.

>>280731753
>Inukai let Jackson spin his wheels for months, maybe even over a year.
It was a little over half a year. Jackson brings it up in the conversation with Hyuse. Another thing is that Inukai did plan to tell Jackson sometime during the HW ark mission about the meaning of the training.
The big problem with Jackson is in comparison, Osamu quickly figured out the training he did wasn't going to work for him which is why he pivoted, meanwhile Jackson was content with mindless training from without ever thinking what he was training up. Inukai failed to properly teach Jackson, but Jackson really should have been thinking more. And by the time the conversation with Hyuse happened he had finally managed to start to learn the thing Inukai had failed to teach him.

>>280731751
pretty sure he dies. Jin doesn't see one thing, he has like over 9000 of them going all around.

>221 posts for an afterdump thread
Sasuga, fellow autists

>>280732558
Forgot to say that Osamu after the Nasu and Kuruma squads knew he was useless, but was looking for the wrong solution.
After the match against Azuma, Ninomiya and Kage's squad, he knew that he can't fix his uselessness in the short time he wants and that's when he was ready to learn Kitora's lesson.
Wakamura is still stuck at the phase of not knowing he is useless.

>>280732582
This is the beginning of the topic that brought the homework arc chapters to multiple threads, we fucking live for this shit

I want to say that everyone here should understand that hardwork without result is a complete waste of time.
If you are stuck in a situation that you are unable to reach your goals despite working hard, then seek other ways instead of lashing at someone else nor getting depressed.
There is nothing wrong with asking for help and there is nothing wrong with admitting that your efforts have been near useless.

>>280732610
He knows he's weak, but he's in the phase of
>got poor advice and doesn't even know where to start

>>280732582
>fellow autists
I'm sure some of it is ronery anons who are wrong on purpose because it keeps the autists talking to them.

>>280732575
Why do you guys keep calling him Jackson?

>>280732031
>but that comes down to inexperience
She's had two seasons to figure this shit out.
>this means 3 guys have freedom to figure shit out and help
Because their captain has refused to be a captain and delegate anything to any of them. She doesn't want to watch the logs? Fine. Have someone else do it and tell her about it. Except no, she didn't even want to hear about the other squads when Jackson started talking about them. You can't bitch about subordinates not doing anything when you actively resist them doing anything.

>>280732732
Knowing he is weak is not the same as knowing he is useless.
Osamu knew he was weak, but he didn't know he was useless until he failed to get a single score in round 3.

>>280732759
Next match has a captain that gives everyone nicknames.

>>280732759
In-world nickname based on an alternate reading of Wakamura, Jakusou

>>280728907
lol
lmao even
i just noticed that his two boys really are the opposite of nino and co.
his past team is basically him being a parent of shitty kids. man i dont envy him

>>280732759
Oji nicknames most characters

>>280732759
It's a mild spoiler.
Oji gave him that nickname. He likes to give nicknames to everyone, like Koala and Pokari.
The reason behind the nickname is thta Wakamura is written as 若村.
若 is read as Waka or Jaku (Chinese with Japanese dialect)
村 is read as Mura or Sou (Chinese with Japanese dialect).
若村 read wrongly is Jakusou which sounds similar to Jackson.

>>280731753
This might sound bad but some people are not ready to just consume an explanation. They will not get any results from it. For them its better to leave them behind until it ticks and if it never does, well so be it. Generally the best advice would be to switch the filed of work as its clearly not something they enjoy. for example I have a sneaking suspicion that Jackson is a horrible gunner, but would make a pretty good sniper. We know that Wakamura is good at just doing one thing for hours. Its basically his only forte.
Like what is Inukai famous for? His gun stride, as he jumps around shooting anything that chases him, and chasing & shooting down anyone he can. This is the really cool funny gunner thing he does. If I was a gunner and Inukai was my mentor, I'd want to learn how to move like that and how to land hits while doing it. I'd ask hell pester him about it. Inukai was waiting for this, he wanted Wakamura to ask him for different training types. Rokuro didn't, by that alone its possible to deduce that he just doesn't like it.

>>280732759
The kanji composing his name (若村) can either be read as Waka-Mura or Jaku-Son, thus Oji made a joke out of it. Then he saw that Miura is kinda like in japanese how you pronounce Müller, and Katori sounds like Katrine.

tl;dr blame Oji for this.

>>280732759
The threads call him Jackson so much I sometimes forget his actual name.

>>280732815
He's now a parent of idiot kids, much better.
>smug cunt who thinks he's hot shit because of trion
>the groomer diva
>miwa the hedgehog

>>280732870
I have a newfound respect for Azuma.

>>280732858
Correction, 村 alternative reading is Sou in Japanese.
Son is the alternative reading Korean.

Damn retards still shitting on jackson
katori is a great fighter but a terrible captain
Jackson is a mediocre agent but that's it. he's mostly correct : katori handle her team like shit. And no scoring a lot doesn't make up for it. She should genuinely do a urushima,or get a real captain to lead her (like chadkumo)

>>280732891
anon, do you have the source of this?

>>280732844
I agree, their team could really use a sniper and Jackson has enough... I'd say patience to pull it off, would also make up for their big weaknesses which is katori going fullretard

>>280732952
The panda, it's not like there's a lot of straight WT doujins.

>>280732943
Jackson is a mediocre agent, but useless squadmate, but he doesn't know that.
As a solo agent, he is average, but as a team agent, he is useless.
You are right about Katori being a shit captain.

>>280732815
Koarai and Okudera are his 3rd gen team. Gen 2 started A rank Katagiri squad who we don't really know much about besides having the double raygust guy.

>>280732977
>Not a lot of straright WT doujin.
WT is full of yaoi hentai, right? I can imagine that with the stupid amount of male characters.
This also explains why this is also popular among girls.
I can only imagine a yuri hentai with Nasu and Kumagai.

>>280732997
I don't know if he's as useless as you (or a certain canadian) say he his
Maybe if he's under a competent leader he would be decent

>>280732977
>tried to search World Trigger + English
>all I got are 3 Ma-kurou rape doujin, 1 Midorikawa yaoi cg set, 1 Midorikawa x Yuma doujin, 1 Yuma x Osamu doujin
Please spoonfeed me, anon
I don't know how to search it

>>280733011
with the double raygust guy around, i doubt they'd need much coaching to begin with since they already got their shit together

>>280733054
He's just a low tier b agent.
Nothing wrong with that but the tier he's in is too much for him to handle.

>>280732387
>he ranked his team skills way too high
Right. He doesn't understand that this is why he sucks. Again, he knows he sucks, but not why.
>>280732409
I hope you're only pretending to be retarded. Before that graph was another one concerning solo performance where he didn't object to his placement or to Katori being way higher than him. He, like Osamu, thought his issues were all about individual fighting ability.
And if your sticking point is him thinking Katori was rated too high, the difference there is that Hyuse is rating them as combatants in a vacuum while Jackson's perception of her is colored by her being a garbage captain. If a good captain managed to get her under control, then even Hyuse's initial placement in A rank would be appropriate. But in her role as captain, by Hyuse's own standards of capability = results, she'd belong where her squad ended up like what Jackson was thinking.

>>280733054
A competent leader will be able to fix him from being useless.
The problem is that Katori carried him so much that he is under the illusion that he is not useless, hence he has a harder time to realize his uselessness. Another reason why Katori is a shit captain. Although, a normal person should have realized his uselessness after seeing how he barely manages to score a point and Katori doesn't rely on him for support. Osamu realized it quickly because he failed to score a single point in the bridge match.

>>280733103
Yes. I agree,but a lot of people think he's even worse (again,thanks to a certain canadian)

>>280733151
I am >>280732387
My point is that he ranked his team skill way too high, not that he thinks Katori is too high. He doesn't realize that Katori was carrying him-

>>280733054
He literally lost to Osamu of all people

>>280733045
World Trigger would have more male fans if Ashihara drew more big tits girls like that operator

>>280733216
Ashihara is a petanko enjoyer.
Pettan pettan, tsurupettan.

Katori's team reflects the dangers of solo carry.
Everyone is to blame there and Katori should have laid it out straight, but she doesn't really do captain stuff.

Just disband that shitty squad

>>280733206
Losing against Osamu must be humiliating. The others at least had the excuse that Osamu was getting support like Suwa who got baited with Yuma.

Do we ever see Katori actually give a real order?

>>280733152
He was also given advice by a trusted person who showed concern.

>>280726934 (OP)
For the dump anon if he's around, now wouldn't be a good time for the databook seeing as we're in the middle of a match. Your first opportunity without interrupting a match is going to be after volume 17. Then after volumes 18, 20, 22, and after volume 23 would be probably be the latest you'd want to do it if you aren't going to do it at the very end of the storytime.

>>280733306
Yes, in the last volume Katori ordered Wakamaru to be a sacrifice, but he refused.
If Wakamaru obeyed, he would have died, but Katori would have figured out the wire trick right away.

>>280732763
She doesn't resist them, we can see it immediately as she follows Hana's orders and even Wakamura's advice when he tells her to pull back after the wires get her. Wakamura started his huffing & puffing instead of just pulling up a monitor with T2's best hits ruining on it, if he edited it into a 2 minute clip he could have just forced it on her right before the battle, without any conflict what so ever.
As for why Katori doesn't figure shit out on her own, its borderline impossible to figure out what to do as a leader when you are also the main producer, basically opposite tasks, and people naturally tend to focus on the thing they do better. In Katori's case its shanking. When you don't have experience the brain juice just isn't there to do both. Its a very hard ask from anyone, even from A-ranks or hell adults. On top of that she later shows the symptoms of chronic burnout, that fall down and blergh thing when she was too worried, is the biggest tell.

sometimes a bitch like Kitora is what a person needs in his/her life

>>280733357
I don't know, I kind of want to do the databook tomorrow just to see these arguments go on longer

>>280733054
>Maybe if he's under a competent leader he would be decent
In this very match we have Kakizaki acknowledging that he's the thing holding his squadmates back from being everything they can be. Wakamura sucks as part of Katori squad. But he could probably be useful with a better captain. Katori hardly even gives them any orders.

>>280733065
lol based WT shotacons

>>280733370
The ace being the captain just isn't for everyone. I think it was Arashiyama who said they got better results after they got to split roles with Kitora as the Ace.

>>280733328
Osamu figured out that he was useless before anyone else told him that. Kikuchihara just confirmed what he already knew.
Osamu is in a different position than Wakamura so he is forced to grow quickier.

>>280733205
Yes I know. He didn't think he sucked at that specifically. He thought he sucked as a fighter. And, in his defense, that's also the impression Katori was giving him. In their argument it was his solo performance she shit on him for.

>>280733458
Yep, the REAL problem with Katori's team is that they don't have a captain, just katori doing whatever she wants.

>>280732870
He really tard wrangled the shit out of the most difficult kids in Border, all without losing a strand of hair. Bravo, Azuma-san.
Can't wait to see Koarai and Okudera hitting A-Rank with broken trigger setups

>>280733362
I wonder, If Katori had figured it out while she still had arms... Four eyes dies instantly. Yuma comes back with a hole in his stomach and Yuta is still alive with Katori, Chika dies. Kuga instantly deletes Yuta and most likely goes for mutual kill with Katori. I think Yuma would still pull through but it would be much closer

>>280733575
He's really good at raising a rankers.
I wonder how many more seasons he has in him before moving on to become border staff for real since he's by far the best instructor you could ask for

>>280733516
This is my own inference, but it may be because Wakamura alrady knows that his solo perfomance is bad. Katori never told him in those 2 years that she doesn't need his support, that's why I believe she is a coward. She is afraid of hurting Wakamura. That squad should disband, they are never going to improve together if nobody is capabale of saying the harsh truth. It doesn't help that they don't have a real captain..

>>280733458
Yes, its the key issue, without any doubts.

Katori'a filling...

You know my main takeaway of this volume and Katori squad in general?
Border members are too reasonable and competent that when we get the first team that isn't functional we all love analyzing them. I think the Japanese fans also love Katori squad hence the two most popular members Katori and Jackson got saddled with the main casts

>>280733370
>instead of just pulling up a monitor
Anon, she shut him down for even trying to talk about them. She wasn't going to watch a fucking presentation.
>As for why Katori doesn't figure shit out on her own
She doesn't have to. She can stop being a retard and tell her teammates what she wants them to do at any time.

>>280733045
The artist is hamanasu.

>>280733673
butt is real, tits are not

>>280731378
I think a hypercognition effect (i.e. the ability to think abnormally fast) would be pretty busted. In a trion body you could move at Idaten speeds without pre-programmed movement, and you would have a major overall boost to your ability to react and analyze your tactics in combat.

Also, Zettai Karen Children and Battle Angel Alita have taught me that high level psychometry should never be underestimated.

Ok, but why Katori is captain?
>"I'm the strongest here so I should be the one giving order, even if I'm not giving orders whatsoever and playing solo."

Maybe is just a status thing for her?

>>280733678
If it weren't for them all being friends and relations of one another I'd assume management corralled all the dysfunctional retards onto one team to contain the damage.

>>280733792
Hana is an autist and the two BETA males are simps.

>>280733792
She and Hana made a squad and the two simps just followed their lead

What kind of retard thinks this is a great placement for the horns? The poor guy.

>>280733792
Because no one else takes the role?
Mueller is a simp, Jackson talks big but he instantly fumbles it the moment he's put in a position of power, Hana probably doesn't want to or something.

>>280730937
That squad tends to just wing it with the occasional tactical input from Broccoli, and each member is competent so they manage to get lucky pretty often. Also helps that they have +1 member.
>>280733425
Maybe. It's a tough sell though, I'd rather have pretty much any other B-rank gunner because most of them at least have a specific skillset to work with, rather than another generic gunner whose only offensive trigger is a single rifle he's not even fully proficient with (nearly every other gunner has a weapon in the offhand). Most of his solo performance has likely come from abusing Chameleon against scrubs, but against better teams he wouldn't know wtf to do and the captain can't be walking him through guerilla tactics during combat.
Hopefully he shifts gears and becomes a sniper or something because right now he's a low-tier gacha pull. Cheers for the future though, I'm excited to see him succeed.

>>280733682
Monitor thing would work 100%, it doesn't require her to do shit and she is waiting for the start of the battle anyway. We know it because she gives him command, the goal wasn't malicious in the slightest, she just doesn't know what else she could do and he was talking a lot about it. Rokuro talks empty air, if he gave her concrete plans/information she would take it without question even if she made a shitty face while watching it.
As for delegating its impossible under the stated conditions. The idea to simply delegate is just not there. A person with zero experience will never, ever see that option. And a person with burnout simply cannot even learn it from others. These guys can't even move a cup that covers their screens, as it doesn't click that they could or should.

>>280719482
Okay, the motherfucker got me.

>>280733792
The initial squad was Hana & Katori, Jackson is a friend of Katori's brother and Yuta is Hana's cousin. Both boys are nepo babies.

The more i read anon's insight the more i'm impressed that Katori Squad managed to be regulars in the upper b rank, damn this team is actually dogshit

>>280733977
I think worth keeping in mind is that when they are going up, stomping people with Katori, things must have been going fine. It is only when they hit a wall after repeated issues they start to implode like this. There is no way the squad would still be a thing if this was how they ALWAYS were

>>280733977
Katori is basically demon and you haven't seen shit yet. Worse yet, we haven't seen shit yet.

>>280733673
>>280733721
She canonically stole her suit design from Nasu squad. Erotic suit is erotic but I want to know what Nasu was originally thinking making something so lewd.

>>280734024
Katori can solo 3 low b-rank teams, most likely hitless. They cannot drop below mid tier by default.

>>280734032
The fact that she kept doing all that while being stressed ass hell for carrying the Ace + Captain burden is insane

>>280734067
Nasu & Konami.
>what Nasu was thinking
Shiki. Shiki was the one who made Nasu's lewd uniforms, the creation that stirs your imagination came from the girl who is bad with boys.

>>280734067
Wew lad

>>280733977
Katori is actually really strong but she's a (cute) retard with a bad attitude.

>>280734067
Didn't the chibi character profiles say the Nasu squad uniform was Sayoko's design?

>>280720382
You know what map Kakizaki should have picked? The forest map. It still provides cover against sniping. But it also isn't as susceptible to artillery fire. It probably has a few clearings where they can use their mid range advantage without good vantage points for sniping. And they all have attacker triggers so they could still fight effectively in the densely wooded parts.

>>280733977
Katori: Emotional time bomb. Shitty communication skills. Horrible captain leading skills. Spews more vitrol than flowers from her mouth. She is very strong, smart and good at tactics, but shit at strategy.
Wakamaru: Average in combat, but useless in a team. Doesn't know he is useless and shift the blames. He is very hardworking and always tries to improve.
Miura: Simp. Stronger than Wakamaru probably and not useless in a team.
Somei: Smart, good at tactics and strategy. She is Katori's enabler and refuses to stop the stupid fights between Wakamaru and Katori even when she knows that those two listens to her.

>>280733906
I think you should give Ikoma himself some credit. He's not a pre planner, but he's both decisive and clear when he commands the team in the field. What's important is that everyone is in agreement on their vibes-based tactics which is why it works for them. The point of a team is cohesion around an agreed style, even if that style is "fuck it, we ball"

>>280734126
>Shiki. Shiki was the one who made Nasu's lewd uniforms, the creation that stirs your imagination came from the girl who is bad with boys.
Shinki is likely a complete freak secretly lmao

>>280733977
Katori is pretty much Kuga-lite in terms of skill, though Chika and Osamu are much better teammates than Jackson and Mueller

>>280734165
Ikoma also properly listens to Maori and follows Mizukami's plans.
Mizukami also makes a plan assuming Ikoma being a retard.

>>280733632
That's another thing we can spend a some time speculating on. I mean, Shinoda has to retire at some point or take a less military role, so someone has to directly replace him.

I have the feeling once his team graduates, he could take the three morons from C-Rank and properly educate them in the ways of the non-retarded. Otherwise they will be forever relinquished to C-Rank.

it's funny how in universe, jackson is oji's worst creation but here it's the most popular nickname by far

>>280733911
>The idea to simply delegate is just not there. A person with zero experience will never, ever see that option.
No, this is retarded. Telling other people what to do is the most basic part of being a leader.

>>280733954
I think he taught Hyuse that trick purely for shits and giggles too.

>>280733977
Well part of it might be that B rank wasn't as competitive before.
This season you have
>2 A rank tier squads that are held back by demotions and weren't there in prior seasons
>Tamakoma 2
>Some of the 'mid' B rank squads improving a lot over this period like Nasu and Suzunari
It might have been possible for them to just get into a top B rank spot when the competition was much more lax.
But not anymore.

>>280734114
During the last match every commentator and even agent was saying "why isn't Katori doing anything? so not like her weird weird". which means that she was actually using rush-down strategy for the full 3~ seasons, nothing but all in every time. absolutely insane level of pressure.

>>280734143
>wires
>In the forest
>Kuga in the trees
good plan. 10/10 would watch

>>280733977
It fits surprisingly well with Tamakoma's first upper tier match. After Tamakoma is dead, Kage, Azuma, and Ninomiya squads do nothing and let time run out.
"Do nothing or you'll get countered" is the tier Jackson has always been in. That's no way to learn basic strategy.

>>280734143
Forest map against Tamakoma-2 is suicide.
Chika fires her Chika like always and she has an easier time to hide.
Yuma is a monkey.
Osamu is the sekuhara king.
And this is without them knowing about Tamakoma-2 new toys Lewd Bullet and Shibari.

>>280734233
Koala is up there too. I basically never see anyone use his real name. I don't even remember how to spell it.

>>280734237
You would really think so but no. This is how it works when the leader is also a producer. Like this happens every time. First it starts with
>they suck I'll do it better
and 4 months later you have a husk unaware of what when and how and it just quits.

>>280734067
>>280734137
Yes, Sayoko designed the uniform as well as their strategy room which is decked out with pointless pipes. Shiki is a bit different, she likes games, reading, and water.

if anything i feel like more squads should be like katori and kakizaki squad desu
the upper b ranks are really too stable it's almost boring

>>280734481
They are in the upper b ranks because they don't have issues.
It's more surprising that Katroi squad was among the top B-rank.

>>280721162
>>280721195
Damn, I want to see her angry face.

>>280721312
Characters wearing glasses before this all look competent, then there's this shitter blaming his teammate in the middle of the fucking battle.

>>280734343
They didn't know about the wires. That would have been a problem, but not one they could have predicted.
>>280734394
I don't see Chika accomplishing much of anything in a forest. Artillery fire would barely do anything and she wouldn't be able to get a shot to lead bullet people without being so close as to put herself in danger. Not that they knew about that.
Yuma would be a monster in the woods, even without wires. But that's why I mentioned clearings. If there aren't any, then sure it'd be a bad map for that reason. But there most likely are some. And shooting him up in a clearing is about the best you could hope for to take out Yuma if you don't have your own ace or a sniper. That's presumably what they wanted from the open areas on the industrial map.
Without knowing about the wires, there's no reason to think Osamu would be an issue with that type of terrain. He loses to each one of them 1v1 at any range.

>>280734522
I suspect it was more hana's merit than katori, in the tamakoma match hana didn't have enough data to plan ahead but even then the few times she gave orders they were well judged and decisive.

Operators are a lot more important in team battles than we give them credit for

>>280734233
I think Jackson just connects better with English readers, unfortunately for Wakamura and his real name.

>>280734422
You're just describing a shit leader.

>>280734481
This sounds like something a border agent stuck in middle-low b-rank would say

>>280734481
>former A rank Nino
>former A rank Kage
>fucking Azuma
That's because upper B rank is just full of A rank cheaters who should've had no business in B rank wars

>>280734532
it means certain death

>>280734067
>Hana is more reasonable in a hentai doujinshi
It's not realistic like canon Hana but we gotta admit this is what's on our mind right?

>>280734818
If you can't deal with A-rank squads then you aren't making it to A-rank

I CANNOT WAIT FOR THE MALL

>>280734818
Uhh Kakizaki was an A rank too

>>280730937
Ikoma may not be the brains of the operation, but he still studies his opponents. That and he handles his subordinates well. There's a reason why Mizukami, despite being smarter, realizes he's unsuited for the role of captain near the end of the HW ark.

>>280722106
Kek, didn't even study the fucking log. This girl is nuts.

>>280734176
I'm not sure it's even that secret, she has hikkikomori tendencies and is only living a semi-normal life with the support of her team. It's even funnier when you consider that she designed the uniform knowing that Nasu, otherwise bedridden, would be spending more time in her trion body than most people, so her life is basically being dressed like that.

>>280734869
I don't think you need logs. Just random small talk/gossip should bring up the tamakoma cannon.

>>280734818
Well, the last thing you do before getting promoted is to contest an A-Rank team's spot, so you gotta be ready to fight against such people, and this time they have custom triggers.

>>280722253
I can only think of countersniping the cannon or go crazy with meteors to fuck over the web.

>>280734481
>Ninomiya squad - A ranks
>Kage suqad - A ranks
>Azuma squad - S ranks tutor & luggage
>Ikoma - 40 meter senku
>Yuba - attacker farmer
>Oji - rapist junior
>Nasu the viper blender
>Reetardori
to put it bluntly top tier b-rank is not a fair or fun place to be for any average b-rank agent.

>>280734907
She's not a very social person then. It's no wonder though, I'd avoid her if I'm a Border agent.

>>280734866
I believe they were still B rank at the time. They still have standard border insignia here >>280723932 with no A rank badge.

>>280734866
no. Arashiyama reached a-rank only after Kitora joined them. so he was never a-rank.

>>280734859
Hana's mind works in mysterious ways.

>>280734867
nah, Mizukami is god. you want him not as a captain but as Kido.

>>280734866
Bro. Kakizaki is an eternal scrub.

>>280734989
There's no way Mizukami's leadership style would work on a macro level

>>280735010
it would, no issues. Kido is hiding 90% of border dealing from agents, Miwa doesn't know that they sit on a fucking mother trigger from a neighbor nation for example, and he is a trusted a-rank

>>280734343
You have taken the forest path to the WEST.
Exits are to the EAST, WEST, and NORTH.
There is a faint breeze and you can see the sun peaking through the leaves.
A red wire appears to be crossing the path leading NORTH.
There are Kugas in the trees.

>>280735056
>a wild Katori lets out a screech

>>280723232
He's making himself as an enticing bait.

>>280735114
>Katori, your pussy.

>>280735170
Torimaru TRAINS this?

>>280735208
he even puts on a nice suit

>>280734165
>which is why it works for them
Does it really? They have 3 a-tier fighters, I'd say 2 of them are aces, and they are stuck in b rank

>>280734867
Mizukami was being too hard on himself. He did make some mistakes. But it's his first time leading and there's a bit of a culture clash going with him leading a squad of honor roll students after coming from a squad of carefree goofballs. I think whether he likes it or not, management are going to try pushing more leadership opportunities on him.

>>280724155
That's actually a cool way to go down.

>>280735323
>3 a-tier fighters, I'd say 2 of them are aces
Who, besides the red freesia?

>>280734625
In a forest, Chika can hide thanks to the trees and she can fire ignoring obstacles.
She can a new hiding place faster than in a city too.
Osamu with a bagworm is going to stalk you because the one thing he is good at is positioning.

>>280724302
>protagonist's rival
It's true, but still made me chuckle.

>>280735323
nta but
Baby is a baby, the moment he evolves they will go higher as he is the second ace. God is kinda mid in actual battle, S tier on strategy but he has to plan around unplannables. 4th wall is really good but is he Kage good? not really and everyone expects it when he is on the map. Handsome boy is one of the cooler snipers but he refuses to shoot at cute girls to the point of allowing himself to be shot.
Honestly they are doing way better than they could.

>>280735323
"Stuck" in B-rank is a little harsh, they placed 4th this season behind 2 legitimate A-rank teams and Tamakoma-2 which with Hyuse is easily the equal of an A-rank squad

>>280735423
Baby is 8k+

>>280735056
"Azuma could be here" Kageura thought, "Ema hasn't scouted here before. Azuma could be anywhere." The forest leaves felt good under his boots. "I hate Netsuki" Kageura thought. The Operator's warnings reverberated over the comms, even as his side effect stabbed his skin and washed away his (merited) fear of Azumas in trees. "With my side effect, I can dodge anything I want." Kageura said to himself, out loud.

>>280735323
They got 4th with 3 teams cheating

>>280735445
Fuck off oji

>>280735323
They got 4th with 3 teams cheating

>>280735427
>she can fire ignoring obstacles
At what? She can't see anyone and there's no strategic structures to demolish. Someone like Toma would have a field day in a forest. But that's not the kind of sniper Chika is. Being able to hide better doesn't matter if she also isn't able to support Yuma.
And I still don't se how pre-spider Osamu is any more of a threat in woods than in a city.

>>280735323
>Does it really?
Well, that depends on two component questions: would the members of the squad really be doing better if they locked into thorough planning and pre-set tactics? To that I really don't think that plays to their strengths and style. The second question to ask is whether being in a-rank is a goal for them at all, and not just general improvement while having fun in the process. You can't judge a sniper based on how good they are fighting close range, and likewise you need to measure success in achievement on a group based on the actual goals and expectations they set for themselves. If you measure everything under Tamakoma-2's criteria for blitzing to an A-rank spot for the away mission asap, you're going to get warped results because most squads don't have that goal to begin with, so of course they're not going to be optimized for it

Extraordinary amount of wall of spoilers today. I'm expecting something interesting with this barely functioning team in the future.

>>280735628
correct

FUCK I didn't realize there was a WT storytime going on today so I missed some of my favorite parts

>>280735592
4 teams cheating. Azuma.

>>280735688
*until today

>>280735475
Yes, but he's also part golden retriever.

>>280735688
its fine, the next one is fire, don't miss it.

>>280735688
Kek, is that the clumsy sniper already dead?

>>280735628
Just wait until we reach where the story currently is.

>>280735718
a big part. still if he plays with most attackers 1 on 1 he will fold them pretty fast, the main issue are scary monsters and 1 vs 2s, its wishful thinking to evolve him into a german shepherd but if God manages to at least teach him "stay" they will do so much beater.

>>280735650
>>280735790
The characters are great, though I'm still having difficulty remembering their names. I'll just stick with short descriptions.

Here's a game idea.
>Create your own squad: 2 Average Agents and 1 Ace.
>Assign each of them a role (Attacker, Shooter, Gunner, Sniper, Trapper, Spotter).
>Set their Triggers in and write your squad’s main strategy also in .
>Don’t read anyone else’s spoilers until you’ve posted your own.
>Then start comparing teams and see how it plays out.

>Rules
Each agent must be assigned a role, if he performs out of that role he decreases one rank. Aces are A-Rank, Agents A/B are B-Rank. Only Agents A/B performing out of their role are C-Rank.

Rank System
>A-Rank always wins against 1 B-Rank, loses to 2 B-Ranks, never loses to C-Ranks.
>B-Rank always wins against 1 C-Rank, loses to 2 C-Ranks.
>C-Rank only wins against other C-Ranks.

Altough it may seem obvious, just to clarify: an Ace alone will also lose to an Ace + Agent.

>What if two different roles fight?
You still follow the Rank-System.

Example:
>An Ace Sniper vs an Average Attacker = Sniper wins before attacker can close in.
>Two Average Attackers vs an Ace Sniper = they close in and kill him.
>Same-rank fights = stalemate.

Stalemates can only be resolved through discussion.

Altough it may seem obvious, just to clarify: an Ace alone will also lose to an Ace + Agent.

Format:

Agent A - Role
>Main Trigger 1 / SubTrigger 1
>Main Trigger 2 / Sub Trigger 2
>Main Trigger 3 / Sub Trigger 3
>Main Trigger 4 / Sub Trigger 4

Agent B - Role
>Main Trigger 1 / SubTrigger 1
>Main Trigger 2 / Sub Trigger 2
>Main Trigger 3 / Sub Trigger 3
>Main Trigger 4 / Sub Trigger 4

Ace - Role
>Main Trigger 1 / SubTrigger 1
>Main Trigger 2 / Sub Trigger 2
>Main Trigger 3 / Sub Trigger 3
>Main Trigger 4 / Sub Trigger 4


Strategy: Your Main Strategy Here

>>280735688
I love that every once in a while we get top quality memes.

>>280735876
Lmao I fucked up the format.
Let's try again:

Here's a game idea.
>Create your own squad: 2 Average Agents and 1 Ace.
>Assign each of them a role (Attacker, Shooter, Gunner, Sniper, Trapper, Spotter).
>Set their Triggers in (spoiler) and write your squad’s main strategy also in (spoiler).
>Don’t read anyone else’s spoilers until you’ve posted your own.
>Then start comparing teams and see how it plays out.

>Rules
Each agent must be assigned a role, if he performs out of that role he decreases one rank. Aces are A-Rank, Agents A/B are B-Rank. Only Agents A/B performing out of their role are C-Rank.

Rank System
>A-Rank always wins against 1 B-Rank, loses to 2 B-Ranks, never loses to C-Ranks.
>B-Rank always wins against 1 C-Rank, loses to 2 C-Ranks.
>C-Rank only wins against other C-Ranks.

Altough it may seem obvious, just to clarify: an Ace alone will also lose to an Ace + Agent.

>What if two different roles fight?
You still follow the Rank-System.

Example:
>An Ace Sniper vs an Average Attacker = Sniper wins before attacker can close in.
>Two Average Attackers vs an Ace Sniper = they close in and kill him.
>Same-rank fights = stalemate.

Stalemates can only be resolved through discussion.

Altough it may seem obvious, just to clarify: an Ace alone will also lose to an Ace + Agent.

Format:

Agent A - Role
>Main Trigger 1 / SubTrigger 1
>Main Trigger 2 / Sub Trigger 2
>Main Trigger 3 / Sub Trigger 3
>Main Trigger 4 / Sub Trigger 4

Agent B - Role
>Main Trigger 1 / SubTrigger 1
>Main Trigger 2 / Sub Trigger 2
>Main Trigger 3 / Sub Trigger 3
>Main Trigger 4 / Sub Trigger 4

Ace - Role
>Main Trigger 1 / SubTrigger 1
>Main Trigger 2 / Sub Trigger 2
>Main Trigger 3 / Sub Trigger 3
>Main Trigger 4 / Sub Trigger 4


Strategy: Your Main Strategy Here

>>280735834
I do fine with the combatants, but I can never seem to keep the operators straight. Both their names and which team they're attached to.

>>280735918
The only two I can remember are Usami and Mario.

>>280735892
That image is from the storytime four years ago.

>>280735918
I can remember Usami and the gamer girl.from Tachikawa's squad. Who the fuck's Mario? They have an Italian girl as an operator?

>>280735918
The operators are especially hard to keep track of for me too.

>>280736005
Mario is the cutest operator.

>>280735918
I don't remember all of them but I do remember the funny ones. Risa Maki, Sakurako Taketomi, naturally Shiori Usami, Hana Somei, Shiki, Ui, Rin Kagami, Nono, Osano, Mario(can't remember the name), Ayatsuji, Kon, Hikari Nire, Hiyami. and that is about it from head.

>>280735918
Namek arc helped me a lot.

>>280736045
Has she appeared yet?

>>280736085
no, super cute Mario-chan will only show up after we are done with this predicament

>>280736112
Oh, okay. I hope she's actually cute, else I'll... use sekuhara bullets on your ass.

>>280735916
too much, especially at this time. also if it just comes down to discussion my penis rapes all female agents on the filed and they bailout, all male agents are so emasculated by its size they bailout out of shame.

>>280736199
if you don't find her cute someone will get you through the screen so you better.

>>280735918
The only ones I remember before the excel arc excluding Usami are
>Nono
>Nire
That's it. And that's because their designs are just good

>>280735918
Yeah I don't remember like half of them or at least what teams they belong to
But I guess it doesn't matter since they don't come up often anyway. Even Usami isn't even that relevant frankly.
I like Ui, Sakurako, and Rokuta though

>>280729508
Urushima at least has the self-awareness to know he doesn't work well in teams. Katori could use some of that.
And Wakamura... just start over in C rank, buddy.
Miura gets left behind, but I think one of the lower B rank squads would be fine with an extra member.

>>280727538
Kakizaki should get an egret, and make his whole unit get one. A squad full of perfect all-rounders.

>>280735916
I don't think I can come up with something atp, but your game sounds interesting and actually could work as a ttrpg.

>>280735916

Agent A - Sniper
>Lightning / Ibis
>Shield / Shield
>Bagworm / Grasshopper
>Raygust / Thruster

Agent B - Sniper
>Lightning / Ibis
>Shield / Shield
>Bagworm / Grasshopper
>Raygust / Thruster

Ace - Sniper
>Egret / Hound
>Shield / Shield
>Bagworm / Grasshopper
>Raygust / Thruster

Strategy: Upon arrival everyone activate bagoworm and spread in a wide formation maintaning maximum distance in a way that each can cover-fire the other, Agent A/B will complement each other peltering the enemy with Lightning and Ibis shot depending on the situation.
The Ace will always keep moving and maintaining himself at maximum distance with Egret, the Raygusts are there to help buy time for the sniper to survive if ever caught in meele, while the other two provide cover fire, grasshopper + thruster provides maximum mobility for positioning and repositioning.
Ace has Hound in case he has to deal with chameleon abusers.

>>280736300
lightning is better for run & gun

>>280731378
There are some things, but nothing realistically within the scope of Side Effects that Ashihara has established.

>>280736292
I think Katori squad could break up and its members join other squads. Izuho seems to be joining Nasu squad and it would feel natural for an all-girl squad to replace their sniper with another one.
>>280736300
Either a sniper or a long range gunner suits him. Have Kotaro train with Yuba, I see his hound gun very useful but he needs to be a bit hungrier. For Teruya, the volume extra mentioned she's a bit of a psycho killer, so have her use scorpion and bagworm or chameleon.

>>280735918
I only remember Kunichika because she's my wife

>>280730993
He's aware that he sucks.
He's not aware of the sheer degree to which he sucks.

>>280736417
in this case it doesn't make a difference. he thinks he is a human when in fact he is an image of a dried turd.

>>280735916
I think the rank system would work better as:

Rank System
>A-Rank always wins against 1 B-Rank, loses to 2 B-Ranks but will take one out. Never loses to C-Ranks.
>B-Rank always wins against 1 C-Rank, loses to 2 C-Rank but will take one out.
>C-Rank only wins against other C-Ranks.

That way, to take an Ace out without casualities you'll either have to go full squad or 1 Agent + 1 Ace.

>>280735916
Agent A - Captain/All-rounder
Scorpion / Scorpion
Hound / Bagworm
Grasshopper / Grasshopper
Shield / Shield

Agent B - Shooter
Asteroid / Hound
Meteor / Bagworm
Grasshopper / Grasshopper
Shield / Shield

Ace - Attacker
Kogetsu / Scorpion
Senku / Bagworm
Grasshopper / Grasshopper
Shield / Shield

Strategy: Ace prioritizes ranged/mobile threats. Once they're defeated bully survivors with range and mobility advantage. Agent B harasses to keep people off of Ace in the meantime. Agent A supports whoever needs it most at the time; fills their role if either is defeated. If any snipers reveal themselves, use superior mobility to disengage and hunt them down.

Kitazoe has the coolest trigger layout and nobody can convince me otherwise

>>280735918
I remember every A-rank operator but fumble the B-ranks
Kunichika, Maki, Mikami, Ayatsuji, Ann, Kusakabe, Tsukimi, Karin

>>280736600
there is a guy with two raygusts + thrusters

>>280733792
Who else would be captain? Serious question.

>>280736704
Hana, by far the best option.

just rewatch the OP and take a look at this fucking fatass
>FIVE

>>280736531
I'm >>280736326

My Analysis: Your ace will prioritize killing my agents A/B since going after my Ace would be a stalemate and since all my squad is both mobile and ranged you won't be able to rely on your harassement technique since your whole team has good mobility you can maneuver well against mine but without an sniper of your own to return fire I think my squad have the edge here.
If you can choose terrain you can win by choosing a citiscape or industrial zone map and setting heavy rain, the heavy rain will fuck up my team visibility while the tall buildings can give you good cover to sneak in on my squad.

>>280736704
hana, by faaaaaaaaaaaar

>>280736600
Zoe has the same trion as Kako, he should definitely train his accuracy and become more strategic with his guns. He has a high score individually, which means he can actually fuck people up.

>>280736722
about 10 actually, you can see that they take only half of that bag.

>>280734114
To be fair, she was very much not carrying the Captain burden, which was kinda the issue.

>>280736704
Probably Hana
Maybe Jackson later

>>280736751
it's even worse than I thought

>>280736750
he does it as is but his style is to play support for Kage & Ema, he is a nice guy like that.

>>280736600
Look at this absolute unit

>>280734481
Most squads wouldn't reach the upper B ranks if they were as unstable as Katori squad. The drama is probably in the lower B ranks and C ranks.
It's a testament to how broken Katori is as a solo fighter that she managed to carry the team this high.

>>280736798
good old Reiji casually carrying 50 triggers in his big pockets

>>280736743
Yeah, I agree it would be very map dependent. If there's enough stuff to hide behind, my jumpy boys would be able seek and destroy one by one. But if it's too open they'll be shot down by the overlapping fields of fire. Very extreme squads.

>>280736750
He's such a phenomenal support that I think he'd be wasted doing anything else.

>>280736798
I wanna see Chika with Asteroid (minigun)

Now that we are talking about captain and their roles, I think that Hyuse joining Tamakoma-2 will be a great boon not only because he will be a 2nd ace to alleviate Yuma's burden, but he is also a good tactician as we saw how he comes with similar plans as Osamu (or rather, is weird that Osamu can make similar tactics as a real elite soldier), although Hyuse seems lacking in strategy.
With Hyuse tactical skills, Osamu can have more choices and even discuss the bad points of his tactics and strategies.

>>280736750
zoe's loadout is perfect for the team he's in. he doesn't need to be surgical and precise, his role is to cause a bunch of mayhem so kage and ema can move and fight freely

This really is the thinking man's manga.
Everyone ITT is thinking not just about strategies, but interpersonal relationships and group cohesion as well.
I love it when a manga can make me think "What would I do differently?"

>>280736916
I always like how ema and kage has their own drama about how their squad coddles them in homework arc while zoe is just :D

>>280736919
this but meteor and two and they are geist. I don't want the map to exist.

>>280736936
>good tactician
ha ha, yeah. ha ha, he is so smart, and plans so well, oof, he wou hahahahahahahaha
no I cant

>>280736750
Zoe is the perfect support shooter. Even when he got unlucky and spawned near Ninomiya he was still doing his job of baiting to give Kage more breathing room and gave his final support when he was cornered by Ninomiya.
Zoe shows why they are an A-rank. It's not an ace soloing with minimal support or a bunch of individually strong aces, they are a team that can work together all the time.

>>280736984
I said good at tactics, not at strategy.
Katori is also good at tactics, but utter shit at strategy. Those are different skills.

>>280736876
>>280735916
I like the game.

>>280736600
Stealth gunner urushima for me, although i would swap asteroid for viper and one of the shields for escudo.

>>280736957
Zoe is always like that.

>>280736919
Her full arms would just be a mech.

>>280737007
You might want to explain it for people who don't play GURPS, because for most people the words are synonymous

>>280736509
I agree.
I should've gone with that.
I'll fix it for the next afterparty.

>>280726934 (OP)
I'm so fucking glad people doesn't fall for the simping.
Katori is a bitch.
There's a reason why she has the lowest A-rank eval.
I still think she might be picked up by Kako and got tamed if she show good improvements in phase 2.

>>280737007
no I agree. Hyuse is a master tactician and a great strategist. Pretty much everything battle related is maxed for this guy. Trained from childhood by the very best of Afto, the true elite. there is just one little tiny issue.

>>280737082
nta but isn't it common sense that tactic and strategy are different? Tactic: how to win the battle in front of you. Strategy: how to win the war.

>>280737097
you are celebrating way too early, it will be the end of you.

>>280737129
tactics win a skirmish between a group of forces, strategy wins the overall battle, logistics win wars.

>>280728321
She's who she is. What she needs is a team that can put up with her antics towards a positive result.
What Suwa 7 did, basically: Lots of dates with hot guys

>>280737097
Suwa is a great captain. I'm sure she'll do fine. I'm more interested in Jackson. I'd like him to do well. But, just like Osamu couldn't fix his shit overnight, I'm worried he's going to get destroyed.
The safe and easy way out would be for him to just hand command over to Hyuse. But if he backs down from this challenge like that, then I don't see a way forward for his character.

>>280735916
Anon A - Atacker
>Raygust/Raygust
>Thruster/Thruster
>Shield/Shield
>Bagworm/---

Anon B - All Rounder
>Kougetsu/Uzi (Asteroid/Viper). Short Range, focusing on power and fire rate at 50/50.
>Senku/Grasshopper
>Shield/Shield
>Bagworm/Chamaleon

Ace: Shooter
>Asteroid/Asteroid
>Meteor/Viper
>Shield/Shield
>Bagworm/Hound


Strategy: Anon A (atacker) is in charge of guarding the Ace (shooter) while Anon B (All Rounder) is in charge of flanking. Ace attacks using composites while protected, otherwise, he uses Vipers to lead his opponents towards Anon B. Snipers are dealt with using Salamander while gunners are dealt with Tomahawks or Gimlet depending on the map.
When Anon A bails out, Ace stop using composite out of cover and fights mainly using Vipers. Traps are cleaned with Meteors.
Anon B is in charge of flanking. When is with Ace, he uses Kougetsu, when is with Anon A, is Gun.
Chamaleon or Bagworm for surprise attack when Ace gives him an opening depending on the situation. Anon B is also in charge of hunting a lone Sniper after Ace bombards the sniper with Viper or Composites.

>>280737275
its not backing down from some "challenge" because at this difficulty it amounts to "bash your head to the wall until one of them is paste" and he would be forcing 4 other people to do it with him. One of the worst, most pathetic character moments for Jackson was "but what if it goes really well" this fear that someone else would be a better leader.
Appointing Hyuse and following his commands is a first big step towards becoming human, overcoming that fear and worthlessness it brought, not doing it will get them all destroyed and he will have to delegate to Hyuse anyway but his anus will leak for the rest of his life.

>>280737082
Tactics are the plans they make mid battle while strategy is the overall plan they make before the battle or when the battle starts.
Osamu learning different skills, training combos with Yuma, deciding Chika's role, recruiting Jin, thinking cheese strats, choosing maps, predicting maps and making the overall battle plan is strategy like deciding the wire jungle and Chika destroying every cover except the wire jungle.
Tactics are dealing with the current battle and finding ways to win in the moment like understanding Nasu's strategy so he choose to blow the bridge, harrassing Nasu with 1hp damage asteroid, getting into position to flank Nasu together with Kuruma and Taichi, etc.

>>280737384
Forgot to say that the Ace is stopping others from attacking Anon B when he hunts the Sniper.

>>280735916


Agent A - Shooter (Captain)
>Asteroid / Asteroid
>Meteor / Hound
>Dummy Beacon / Bagworm
>Shield / Shield

Agent B - Sniper
>Lightning / Lightning
>Viper (Handgun 1911) / Ibis
>Grasshopper / Bagworm
>Shield / Shield

Ace - Attacker
>Scorpion / Scorpion
>Spider / Chameleon
>Escudo / Bagworm
>Shield / Shield

Strategy: Information Overload. Lay abunch of Meteor cube traps and Dummies around with Agent A or B ready to detonate. Ace uses Spider to save on Trion between using Escudo / Chameleon. Agent A is all about trying to bait people around or just being an annoying piece of shit with like one or two Salamnder once he needs to draw people in without insane Trion himself. Agent B is a high mobility sniper that uses Grasshopper on enemies trying to close the gap as much as themselves to set up Ibis shots. Viper for tricky ones and detonating Meteor bombs. Ace is about decisive strikes while others are worried about other two. And if they catch onto him then he can fall back to a fallback spot with Spider + Escudo. Generally just a skilled fighter as well with double Scorpions. General idea assuming favorable spawns is Ace and A get a loose screen of traps around B while B is offensive with Lightnings.

>>280736326
I'm >>280737384

Analysis: Against your squad I would need good positioning.
Let's assume I can get all my squad in good positions, I would keep pelting your squad with only my Ace Egret at maximum range. While my other two agents remain hidden, you wouldn't be able to return fire without an sniper of your own. If you take the Bait and send your flanker we'll kill him with concentrated fire, he could close in on our sniper but chameleon will take too much of his trion until he arrives.
If your squad decides to close in all at once, a full-on fight will break out I think I have the edge because of my range.
Your best bet would be to move quickly at the beginning to not let my squad get in full position. But that would also throw off some of your game since you want Agent A and Ace to be together.
Another strategy you could use is to make your Agent A activate chameleon and go after my Agents A or B. If you he finds them before chameleon consumes too much trion you'd have better chances.

How popular was this series at its prime, before it became a monthly serialization? I only got into it recently after remembering it did a Battle Cats collab

>>280726934 (OP)
Do we have new readers this time around?
What do you think about the series so far?

Also for anime watchers, season 2 starts at Galo invasion, which is a very expensive arc VA wise.
I believe there was around 30 VAs combined on that arc and some episodes has pretty much all of them, which doesn't happen these days.

>>280737629
>at its prime
so right now? cult following in japan

>>280737629
it's at its own tier (300k), used to be the same with mha until it went past wt.

>>280737726
phase 2 will get 400k

>>280737695
Undisputed king of SQ btw
There's a huge power gap with the series after it.
Pretty much the OP of SQ.

>>280737695
I am very happy for Ashihara, this is a passion project for him and even though it has costed him so much, it must be relieving for him to see all the traction it gained. Now that the spreadsheet part of the test is behind, I am hoping for the fighting part to be absolute hype.

>>280728594
The most unsufferable unit:
Katori, Kikuchi, Minamisawa, Inukai. Operator Maki.

>>280737833
This. Ashihara deserves unlimited money so he can get himself a cyber-neck.

>>280737584
I'm >>280736326

Analysis;
Since I have a lot of range, I wouldn't bother much with your spiders, my focus would be finding your Shooter ASAP to get rid of his salamander and dummy beacons. Then focus firing your Ace. If my Ace survives he can deal with your sniper.

If I can't find your shooter then I would retreat at max range and pelt you with my Ace Egret since you couldn't return fire, my other two agents would remain hidden until you approach then it would be an all-out-fight.

I think your best bet would be to keep your ace and shooter always together keep your sniper hidden, with her cover fire plus your escudo and salamander an all-out-fight would be best for you instead of relying on your trap setup against my snipers.

>>280737847
Kai is fine, he is just cheery. if you want real moody turds replace him with Nino. btw this team would shred.

>>280737847
Katori Yoko, Kitora Ai, Kikuchihara Shirou and Kuroe Futaba.

>>280737876
You people better start studying cybernetics. I want Cyber-Ashihara in the close future.

>>280737907
>Futaba
how dare you

>>280737847
Nino, Katori, Kikuchihara, Kage, Risa Maki. competition can save everyone time and just hang itself.

>>280726934 (OP)
Finally, I can say why all attackers squad would die to a team of gunners.
Because Kakizaki's last act.
The attackers can kill the gunners if they get close, but the gunners can always put up a perfect bait and commit double suicide.

>>280737893
While you have my team beat in a Snipe-Off I think the misinformation of Agent A and Ace will be able to keep your team on the backfoot. Depending on where they move they could be herded potentially. Agent B is basically just playing deterrence down to the battlefield, but it really does matter for a sniper heavy team like yours. As well as who else may be involved since Rank Wars aren't 3v3s for a reason.

I agree yeah, turning it into a brawl would be the goal against a more specialized team like yours. The typical plan wouldn't work. Staying out of sight is key before my Ace can get a killing blow. If my Sniper can just keep your Ace occupied for a bit then I think my Ace can make up the difference for closing in one your Agents depending on the layout. My Shooter as well is good for indirect fire. But if your snipers get the drop on any of my squad then its a fight to take as many of yours down with mine before getting blasted apart by your Ace.

>>280738051
Nice.
Yeah I also think your shooter's beacons woudl be too much of a pain in the ass if left alone since that will help your ace misdirect our team, maybe on this fight I'd prioritize getting your shooter before full positioning.

Scenario 1 - My Ace finds your Shooter alone on positioning phase = Open Fire.

Scenario 2 - Two of my agents find your Shooter alone on poistioning phase = Open Fire.

Scenario 3 - Your Shooter and Attacker rendevouzed before Scenario 1 or 2 = Retreat and go with former plan.

>>280737602
Your team against mine looks to be more map dependant than position dependant, especially if we include weather effects.
In maps with lots of cover there are chances to get close while only having to be careful about your ace.
In maps like Cityscape C, I am toast unless there are at least 3 squads fighting together.
In Cityscape D, only your ace is dangerous so you are toast.
Riverside is a position dependant map since crossing the bridge means death from your snipers, but if your snipers are separated, then only your snipers are going to be hunted one by one.
Industrial Area our teams have equal chance.
The best strategy in general would be getting close using the normal anons with shields + raygust protection in maps with a lot of cover while my Ace starts to return fire with Vipers or Tomahawks.

>>280737847
Instead of Kai put Kage and Inukai, they hate each other like no one and probaly would trade blows outside their trion bodies.

>>280736326
>>280736531
>>280737384
>>280737584
A match between these 4 would be pretty wild. Between all the snipers and the well guarded super shooter, I think my jumpy boys would struggle and have to lie low and go for opportunistic kills. If the trapper squad is able to set up, I could see it being a stall out between them and the snipers. But I think the most likely outcome is >>280737384 winning. They're the most well rounded. And while they might lose to one of these more extreme strategies 1v1, in a free for all they have enough of an answer for each threat to keep themselves alive in the chaos. They'd be super annoyed by the end, though.

>>280738192
Yeah, I went with a pretty extreme team. So map choice will impact a lot.
One of the reasons a more balanced team is usually preffered.
I'd dominate when I have map advantage but it can also be used to counter my team hard.

My team is stomp or be stomped. We would probably be stuck on the upper part of B-Rank without ever going full A.

I just started volume 15, when should I read the fanbook? I know it's soon

>>280738292
if we're going by release date, you can read it as early as volume 14.
it's better to reread it anyways as you go through every volume or so.

>>280737897
All moody bastards. Imagine the team meetings.
>>280737955
All these annoying units team would stomp if they coud manage to function.
>>280738216
Internal conflict in addition to bad personalities. Very nasty.

>>280738279
Well tought, didn't even notice we already had enough teams for a 4-way.
I agree.
altough you'd probably be able to use the dummy beacons team to your advantage their misdirection will help your team score sneak kills. After all on meele your team is the stronger one here.

>>280738279
Trapper Squad here. The more combatants there are the more my squad's main plan of setting of landmines all over and spamming operators to slow down the spread of information works out. My Shooter A can always try to take people with him with Meteor, but I didn't mention that in my initial post I suppose. And my Ace is basically there to try to break stalemates with Chameleon plays. If any two people get the drop on my Sniper when he isn't covered by another though he is toast without a meteor trap around. The more chaos the better for me I'd say though. The All-Round squad lacking Hound is good for me. I'd say your jumpy guys have a good time v my squad since they can try rushing past any setups early on.

All this talk about the most toxic teams possible and drama made me think that a reality show set inside Border would be the funniest fucking thing ever.

Two threads reaching bump limit. Katori mind broke everyone.

Who are those missing points? Toma only went to people he knew.

>>280738279
I am >>280737384 and my team is not that strong because the double Raygust is too slow. The double Scorpion Ace or the Kougetsu Scorpion Ace can probably cut one of his hands forcing him to defend using Raygust and Shield instead of double Raygust. The Ace Sniper can find an opening in the skirmish and headshot my Double Raygust anon, completely blocking my Ace to fight in close range unless is a 1 vs 1, it will force him to fight from midrange while hoping Anon B to not die too quickly in close range.
>>280738428
My Shooter Ace has Hound by the way, but he relies on the double Raygust Anon to unleash full composite bullet hell. Take the double Raygust and he becomes way more managable. Of course, you have to evade the Gimlet or Asteroid + Viper hell to get close to him, but your double Scorpion Ace seems capable enough to do it and the meteor traps will stop my Anon A from flanking or surprise attacking so easily. Destroying traps with meteors is a bad idea because it leaves the field open to get mass sniped by the full sniper team.

>>280738570
>>280738428
>>280738279
Man, I'm loving these.
Seems like if you'd put effort to create your own team you'd also put effort on the analysis themselves.
Good stuff.

>>280738570
>has Hound
Oh whoops missed that detail.

>>280738594
It is fun to think about. Terrain matters a lot, maybe one day World Trigger will get some kind of game for a basic form of Rank Wars.

>>280738554
It's kinda smart how the #1 sniper isn't on the top because he kills a lot, but because he doesn't die.

>>280738524
The homework arc threads are gonna be gold.

>>280732891
Wasn't it Wakamura's POV?
Hana suggested they get over their problems by fucking each other.

>>280738524
As expected of the superior K*tor*

>>280738696
The two are bitches, but Kitora's issues don't affect her squad nor her friends while Katori issues actively makes her squad weaker and risks breaking her friendships. The only thing that breaks with Kitora is her heart whenever Futaba shows her disdain for bitches.
Also, I bet that most of the fights Kitora has with her squad is 100% her fault, just look at Arashiyama squad, they are full of good and smart people.
On the other hand, the issues with Katori's squad is because all of them need meds.

>>280738594
I need to start thinking on my team for tomorrow's thread

>>280738428
Good point about rushing before the traps are fully setup. Ideally, I'd want a fight to break out between you and >>280737384 so that you both draw the sniper's fire and expose their positions. A quick initial attack could help to open the way for them before disengaging to try and sneak kill the snipers. Hopefully the two of them would finish you off or at least beat you up really badly. I wouldn't want your squad to be the last other one standing since it would be hard to crack at the end when everyone is dead or injured.

>>280738762
And even with Futaba hating her, Kitora still worked well with her against the gamer idras.

>>280738879
The fun part of my squad is The meteor cubes can be used by anyone at anytime if they notice them. They may not get the point if they are used, but they make for more options. And knowing who to rush gets hard with even just a few dummies since they can do basic movements. But that is the fun of full chaos mode if Agent A can't regroup.

>>280738216
>they hate each other
Only Kage hates Inukai
Inukai is amicable with everyone

>>280733011
>3rd gen team
How do you know this

>>280733381
If you want these arguments to go on longer, then you should want to see the conclusion of the match next. The databook should distract people from the arguments, not prolong them.

This is mine >>280737384 and I choose it because I like an Ace who can swap between support and damage dealer depending on the situation.
Ace is alone with the tank, then he is the damage dealer.
Ace is with the Kougetsu/Uzi, Ace is a support.
The thre of them are together (ideal composition), Ace is both the support and damage dealer, mostly focused on creating openings for the Kougetsu anon with proper Hound/Viper usage while also getting kills with Asteroid or Gimlet.
Ace is alone, he is the damage dealer again.
They can also function without their ace, albeit severly lacking in range by having the double Raygust spend his trion like crazy spamming Thruster with shieldbash (he is not good enough to be a boxer like Reiji nor able to be a knight like Kou) while the All Rounder spends trion by mass firing his Asteroid (and sometimes Viper, pre programmed like Karasuma's to get around the shields). They won't last long without their Ace. The team in itself is not meant for long combat since they all consume trion like mad with all the shooting from the Ace, Chamaleon and rapid fire from the All Rounder and Thruster shield bashing spam with the Attacker. The team composition is based on Suzunari 1, Ninomiya and Nasu squad..

>>280738644
it's also because he didn't take it seriously,like all the other trainings. I never noticed until anon here pointed it out (and i've red WT like 5 times) but he was ONLY targetting his buddies,and not taking the free kills on the C-ranks (well the grunts,not counting natsume)

>>280739421
Being Touma's friend is not a boon for joint training points.

>>280739481
I think after you're out of the C rank grind,points matter fuck all don't they?

>>280739580
Points still count as far as giving Border a metric to acknowledge your skill. So they don't really stop mattering until you've found a high enough niche that you no longer have anything to prove.

>>280738554
There is only 1 missing point, the mysterious sniper who entered booth 338.
I don't think is Azuna, right?

>>280739624
Yeah but beside bragging right it's not like they're particulary useful. It make sense why one wouldn't be too keen on losing a bunch in 1vs1 solo wars,dropping out of master rank would be pretty embarassing,but i don't think people would give a shit about the meager points not gained in trainings

>>280739631
Probably not Azuma. We've never seen him participating in these trainings, and he'd be more likely to be running them not participating. Otherwise you'd need to go through the list of Border agents and see which ones are snipers. My guess would be Oki seeing as he's the next sniper introduced and see participating in these training events.

>>280739875
>>280739631
it was either tonooka or oki, according to an after chapter QnA

>>280736531
>>280738279
Oh also, if I'm picking the map, it's going to be the mall. It would make the trapper team more annoying if they're able to set up. But it would take them longer to group up at the start. And that risk is worth diminishing the effectiveness of the better ranged attackers that all the other squads have. The verticality would also be nice for a mobile squad like mine. Heavy rainstorm, of course.

Tomorrow has THAT scene, right?

>>280740319
Osamu already got wall sniped.

>>280727128
Showing your newfag there rookie. Scorpion. Always Scorpion.