This is still one of the most retarded redemption "arcs" in all of fiction.

>>280779689 (OP)
It's not a redemption arc. Naruto didn't magically forget all the evil Obito has done. He's just decided it's pointless to continue the cycle of hatred and fought to stop Obito instead of fighting him because he hated him. If Obito and Madara survived the war they probably would've been imprisoned and executed.
Kabuto got away because nobody knew how involved he was. Sasuke would know but he knew Kabuto was changed by Izanami and Sasuke isn't the type to snitch.
Almost nobody knew Orochimaru was revived because official info had him killed by Sasuke and the few people who did saw him massively help the War effort and then disappear.
The entire point of Naruto is Naruto learning how to break the cycle of hatred because it leads nowhere. That doesn't mean he'll hesitate to stop or that all villains are redeemed and now live a happy life.

>>280779689 (OP)
naruto didn't forgive obito dumb naruto hater

naruto is stuffed with retarded redemption arcs. the same old boring shit recycled in like half the arcs. also the story makes sure to point out how the villain was just like naruto as a kid.

>>280779917
Anons will ignore this because they have a hateboner for Naruto as if they're still fighting gaiaonline.

>>280780267
They're ignoring it because it's a replusively bad series and you ruined the board again

>>280779917
Media literacy in 2025 sends all the blood to my clit/dick

>>280779689 (OP)
>>280779917
How did Obito and Madara even fucking job the way they did? It was so pathetic. Made no goddamn sense. Still bothers me to this day.

>>280779689 (OP)

>>280780508
This implies that Hitler was on the bad side at first....

>>280780508
he was the coolest guy

>>280779689 (OP)
What was the point of Pain resurrecting everyone if we were gonna have an arc where dead characters come back to life not too long after it anyway?

>>280779689 (OP)
Tardruto probably forgot that extracting the bijuu kills the host.

>>280780641
naruto is sloppily written shit where kishimoto and his stupid editors just do constant fanservice

>You either die a hero, or live long enough to see yourself become the villain
>Some men just want to watch the world burn
>Nobody cared who I was until I put on the mask
When did you realize that Kishimoto is a Nolanbro

>>280780776
>Naruto is sloppily written shit
what makes it sloppy?
>it's just so sloppy, look at it
I have read Naruto, tell me what parts of it are sloppy and why
>the whole series is sloppy
let's talk about something else then if you don't like Naruto
>it's just shit, nothing about it is good
why don't we talk about something else?
>Kishimoto sucks

Naruto is such a great series. We love Naruto on this board.

>>280780836
not sure honestly but chatgpt agrees with me

>>280780776
Overall I enjoyed it, it does suffer from "the author is totally making this up as he goes along" syndrome like many long-running battle shounen series do but it's more good than bad imo. The Pain thing really felt like Kishimoto pussying out though.

>>280779689 (OP)
if you weren't so christian you wouldn't find it so confusing, kyle

>>280779689 (OP)
None of naruto is well written, its time to move on from your very first manga and read better things

>>280780882
I keep trying to ask chatgpt and it's dodging the fucking question?? it's not even lying to me, it's just dodging it

>>280781047
The writing in Naruto suffers from several structural and thematic flaws that justify calling it sloppy, but only if those flaws are actually articulated. One major issue is character bloat—Kishimoto introduces a vast number of characters, many of whom receive setup without payoff. Figures like Rock Lee, Tenten, and Anko are sidelined despite early development, signaling a lack of narrative discipline. Power scaling also becomes increasingly incoherent; early battles emphasized tactics, chakra management, and ingenuity, but later arcs rely on massive, godlike abilities that break the internal logic of the world. Thematically, the story contradicts itself. Naruto champions perseverance and hard work, yet his success ultimately hinges on inherited powers—Kurama, the Uzumaki lineage, and his reincarnation status—undermining the underdog mythos he supposedly embodies. Emotional beats are repeated to the point of exhaustion; the protagonist talks almost every antagonist into submission using the same formulaic appeal to pain and loneliness, which cheapens the dramatic stakes. Finally, the series undergoes severe tonal whiplash, beginning as a grounded story of ninja espionage and interpersonal growth before morphing into a bombastic, supernatural war epic. These are not superficial nitpicks but foundational problems in pacing, theme, and consistency. Simply calling the series “shit” without pointing to these mechanics isn’t critique—it’s noise.

>>280781015
Naruto vs Sasuke at the Valley pre TS is pure kino desu and Kishimoto was firing on all cylinders with the art and composition

>>280780815
Kino of the highest order

>>280779917
>If Obito and Madara survived the war they probably would've been imprisoned and executed.
Yeah just like how Orochimaru and Kabuto were imprisoned and executed and not free to do whatever they want? It is not a coincidence that the war arc is often better in fanfictions than in the manga.

>>280779917
>Kabuto got away because nobody knew how involved he was
Literally everyone got briefed that he was behind the Edo Tensei
>Almost nobody knew Orochimaru was revived and the few people who did saw him massively help the War effort and then disappear.
That's bullshit plenty of people saw him and he's not someone that people would forgive because they saw him being helpful during the war

>>280779917
>Naruto didn't magically forget all the evil Obito has done.
Lmao.
>Kabuto got away because nobody knew how involved he was.
Anko knew, so did Naruto and Hinata when he gave them all the info he had about the Akatsuki.
>>280780267
>>280780340
Actual retards.

>>280781772
AI panel nice try

>>280780641
Kakashi was a very popular character and Kishimoto was afraid of killing fan favourites(see Orochimaru that was ass pulled to life and then pardoned)

>>280782441
>orochimaru
>fan favorite

>>280781230
Read the rest of the post because your concern is addressed immediately.

>>280781061
valid criticism narutards just ignore

>>280783801
And that already gets easily debunked by 2 other posts you chose to ignore.
>>280781608
>>280781772

>>280780437
Kishi made them too powerful, so he made Obito job to TnJ and Madara to his hubris. It's what happens when you don't properly plan shit out.

ANYONE who was still reading the manga by that point was in only out of sunk cost fallacy and no longer being able to drop it. That didn’t happen to me, for which I am eternally grateful. To be fair, it could have fallen to even worse shit, ie, JJK, but it still fell through the floor by the end.

>>280787739
I was probably already reading only due to sunk cost after the Pain arc, but it wasn't until Madara showed up (cool as he was) that I admitted it to myself. I remember thinking every single chapter was a new bottom, and it kept proving me wrong week after week.

>>280787739
JJK never had anything as entertaining as Madara. I don't even think One Piece had a grip has good as that character.

>>280779689 (OP)
I would argue that Obito wasn't redeem here, not yet. He took Naruto hand out of confusion, because he started to get weird hallucinations from their overlapping chakra. Like seeing Naruto as Obito and stuff.

>>280779950
Zabuza was good, the twink was always his weak spot and he died an epic death instead of some cuck forgiveness. Gaara I guess makes sense but past that the whole talk no jutsu gimmick became so contrived.

>>280783967
They just give bad defenses

>>280790126
it's been a long, long time since i read or watched the zabuza arc so i don't actually remember how good it was, although i rewatched the scene where he cries. maybe he's a good character, idk. but as you said the trope just got used and abused later.

>>280789395
You can find characters like Madara in any series, it’s not worth trudging through 4th shinobi world war just for him. JJK and One Piece are both shit as well

>>280790279
Weird thing is Naruto got pissed off at that land of waves kid who kept crying. But he shows pity to Obito who’s an even whinier child + mass murderer, mad weird

>>280790335
I would compare Aizen to Madara. But I don't know anyone in One Piece with the same grip. Kaido was fucking boring.

>>280790335
Agreed. Madara was fun, but mostly because he was a breath of fresh air from all the brooding and edgelording we'd been getting fed all throughout the second part. Endless asspulls and stupid motivations aside, it was nice to see a villain who just wanted to let loose and fuck shit up in style and have a grand ol' time doing it.

>>280792645
Meant to add that yeah, even he's not worth going through all the bullshit of the last arc. He's ultimately a blip in the torrent of bullshit.

>>280779689 (OP)
But when it's Vinland Saga, yall cry about how peak it is to the point it gave you a prostate orgasm. fucking hypocrites

>Wow, this Naruto kid is just like me
>And so is his dad
>and his dad's mentor
>and the son of Jesus
Poetry stops rhyming when you end every sentence with the same word.

>>280779917
Except for the fact that no gives a single fuck about these retards in the first place. You’re trying to justify the shit writing and you’re failing miserably

>>280791452
OP villains are all the same

>>280787739
Not a single person puts JJK under Nardo

>>280792805
Thorfinn’s shift is pretty controversial.
>>280793848
JJK is even worse IMO; while Naruto is poorly written with 1 dimensional cast, JJK is barely even written with a 0 dimensional cast

>>280783135
he's cute and snakepilled

>>280794035
JJK had the best characters. Gojo is literally me

>>280790393
He got mad at the twerp for crying instead of actually doing anything. Obito was a whiner, but he still did shit. People who cry without even attempting to do anything to better their situation are just awful to be around.

>>280794609
Good point

>>280794035
You say that but JJK doesn’t have characters nowhere near as horribly written as Shitachi, Naruto, and Obito. I’ll take boring characters over shitty characters any day

>>280794035
naruto's characters > jjk's characters
jjk's story up to and including shibuya > naruto's story as a whole
naruto's story as a whole > jjk's story as a whole


every single aspect of hxh > any single aspect of naruto, jjk, or any shounen ever made

>>280781772
what did I say??? :(

>>280779689 (OP)
>redemption
tobi will never stop being best boy