Why is Casca brown if Berserk takes place in a fantasy not-Europe? Is she supposed to be a Moor or something?

>>280799148 (OP)
Because it works

because it's sexy

>>280799148 (OP)
>literally one named black guy in the entire manga
>he's a sociopathic, stupid pedophile rapist

>>280799170
Not for us worldbuilding autists

>>280799148 (OP)
There is the whole non-indian Empire.

>>280799390
Mira never cared about worldbuilding

>>280799421
And how is that not a bad thing?

>>280799421
Based.

>>280799440
Not all stories need it to be great
Simplicity works for some

>>280799490
Not all stories need hyperdeveloped worlds like Lord of the Rings, but having a world that feels real and internally coherent makes all the events that take place within it feel more impactful.

>>280799516
Which Berserk didn't need as it already was able to be impactful without it

>>280799397
the Kushan existed irl bruh

>>280799148 (OP)
It's simple, she's a Spaniard.

>>280799594
What was Donovan?

>>280799322
Happens more than you think.

>>280799148 (OP)
reread the story, anon

>>280799530
And it could have been even more impactful with it

>>280799695
It wouldn't have
This story doesn't need it

>>280799148 (OP)
The plot of an entire arc is about Fantasy India doing a land invasion of Midland. Did you miss it somehow?

>>280799148 (OP)
>muslims exist in berserk
>casca is literally an arab who came from war-torn town

...

>>280799594
She's probably Persian

>>280799632
Portuguese

>>280799322
>>he's a sociopathic, stupid pedophile rapist
yeah no. donavan was just taking what he paid for, technically he did nothing wrong

>>280799148 (OP)
Casca has Kushan ancestry, she's the same skintone as Silat in both the manga, Miura's colored art and the movies

>>280799739
That fantasy India is ruled by one of the most powerful non-Godhand Apostles. It's understandable they'd be much stronger than irl Indian empires

>>280799148 (OP)
There are no black or brown characters in Berserk. Both her and Donovan are tanned white people.

>>280800132
lol

>>280799686
What do you mean by this? Because I don't remember Casca ever saying she was Kushan or anything like that.

>>280799686
>i have the answer but i won't say it. just reread 400 chapters to find out bro

Didn't she live in a border town in Midland?
Where the Kushan might raid?
Where her mother might not have been quick enough to not get raped?

>>280799148 (OP)
She has a Spanish sounding name. She's Spanish (a proto-spic).

Guts genes came through with the baby's skin tone, but he still looks like her a lot

>>280799148 (OP)
she's probably kushan or something

>>280799148 (OP)
So despite what fantasy settings show, there were a ton of black and brown people in Europe at the time. The Silk Road meant tons of travelers from the middle east and north africa were around.

The reason why fantasy settings are almost always in England/UK is because that was one of the few areas that was all white. Most of southern Europe had Moors around and Eastern Europe was conquered by the Mongols/Muslims.

>>280800444
>a ton
no there weren't. the average european peasant during the middle ages would never have seen one. they were incredibly rare

>>280800444
Donovan is visibly subsaharan african

>>280800444
>So despite what fantasy settings show, there were a ton of black and brown people in Europe at the time
You have it reversed on both counts, fantasy shows show a lot of them but historically they were so few in number they were a rounding error

>>280800467
Not at all, they were VERY common in Spain, France, and Italy. This scene wasn't just an insult:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6_G7-opxBLQ

>>280800682
Wrong, Spain had a larger genetic impact from the Phoenicians than it did from Arabs during the Reconquista period

>>280800740
>And the Moors are Niggers

There's a reason Othello was a black man.

>in an era where most people never traveled more than a couple miles from home excepting religious pilgrimages (done by extremists and rich people)
>there was actually a massive multi-ethnic society
>which just happened to stop during the period where travel became easier and colonials were going all over the place

Whatever man, fuck it. Put the Ethiopian quarter next to the Jewish quarter, don't forget to have the Ethiopian Christians join in on massacring the semites. What a fucking boring, tired, and disingenuous topic.

>>280800829
Jesus you faggots are insufferable.

>>280800797
Othello was not a black man and the Moors were not either, I know you're an /a/ poster but you are still behaving embarrassingly retarded

Does this look like a black woman to you?

>>280799148 (OP)
>Why is Casca brown if Berserk takes place in a fantasy not-Europe?
Miura's sexual taste, she's any darkskinned woman but not Kushan because no one recognizes her as such, so she may just be a black woman.
>>280799421
He did though

>>280800897
>why aren't people blindly believing my easily disproven lies????

>>280800934
>she may just be a black woman.
There are already black characters in Berserk that look nothing like Casca. She's missing black features and looks identical to Kushans >>280800400 . She is Kushan genetically, the characters just don't remark on it as if it's special probably because of the instinsic border rape acknowledgement.

>>280800932
First search:

Othello is widely understood to be a black character in William Shakespeare's play Othello. The text explicitly describes him as black, with Othello himself stating, "for I am black"
, and other characters referring to his "sooty bosom".
The play's historical performance tradition has largely cast Othello as a black man, with notable actors like Ira Aldridge being the first Black actor to portray the role in the 19th century.

While there have been debates about Othello's exact ethnic background—some suggesting he may have been a Moor, Arab, or of African descent—the consensus among scholars and performers is that Shakespeare intended Othello to be a Black man.
This interpretation has been reinforced by the play's themes of racism and otherness, which are central to the narrative.

In modern adaptations, Othello is typically portrayed as a Black African, though some experimental productions have explored alternative ethnicities.
However, the traditional and most widely accepted view is that Othello is Black.


So like every Moor may not have been black but Othello was definitely black and there were definitely black people in Europe at the time.

But do you have more of her? I find Arab girls to be HOT

>dude it's completely irrelevant to the story and if you don't like the inclusion of latinx, hispanix, tranxfolx in the story you're an insufferable big

>>280801003
The problem with this is that there was a scene where Kushans where being hanged for war morale in Vritannis, the same story segment you posted and no one in the whole city saw Casca as Kushan. There is also the fact that Casca doesn't look like the only Kushan woman drawn by Miura

>>280800897
>erm acshully despite what we call today France, Italy, Germany, etc all having totally fucking fractured linguistics
>so fucked that people struggled to understand each other at all if you traveled further than a day's walk or so
>we had foreigners all over the place and in large numbers!
>and definitely not mainly in major port cities, being mainly rich dudes and their entourage

Ethiopian and Egyptian history rules, you guys are such fucking fags for not telling stories set there instead of just forcing them to exist in European spaces and conform to European norms. A black man in a Burgundian armor (or worse, D&D ahistorical slop armor) is so fucking cringe when you could be depicting the sheer fucking coolness that is an Abyssinian Chewa or Oromo btfoing the shit out of their neighbouring moslem states (they had crusades too btw). Fuck you for having zero taste and zero curiosity.

>>280801160
You can't see that lady's hair and her eyes are half-lidded, but she looks a lot more like her than she does any of the black people in Berserk. And she looks identical to the Kushans kids, hair, skin tone and everything.

>>280801160
>Kushans where being hanged for war morale in Vritannis, the same story segment you posted and no one in the whole city saw Casca as Kushan.
Why would they think she's Kushan if she doesn't have a dot on her forehead? I'm not saying she was born there, I'm saying she probably has Kushan ancestry given the options we have in the story (and likely her family had to hide that, for her and themselves). The only other option would be that she's part of some other third group of people offscreen and I don't want to think Miura would be that superficial.

>>280801331
They were killing Kushans and selling them into slavery based on their ethnic features and most Kushans don't have dots on their heads. Most people in Berserk's version of Europe recognize Kushans by their features.

>>280801160
People HATE black people so they have super cognitive dissodance when someone they like is black.

I've had people say Barret from FF7 was actually SEA but the localizers made him black

>>280801511
>Most people in Berserk's version of Europe recognize Kushans by their features.
Then that's already a plothole because Casca does look exactly like them whether intentionally or not.

>>280801750
Do you think a black person and an Indian person look the "same"? Sure they both have dark skin but they're obviously different peoples.

>>280799322
*two named black guys
ftfy

>>280801745
Casca isn't black though. The blacks already in Berserk are drawn with black features and there's no reason to believe she's one of them. If she isn't Kushan then she's either just darkskinned/tan or of some offscreen other race.

>>280801769
No, Casca doesn't look black compared to the other black characters in Berserk, Donovan and other band of the hawk members. There are legit no physical drawn differences between her and Kushans (minus the dot on that one Bakiraka's head).

>>280801781
>>280801798

Black people are some of the most genetically diverse people on earth. Not every black person is western african and has those features we associate in AAs.

>>280799565
I'm surprised.

>>280801781
>I don't know what she as it hasn't been confirmed either way but one thing for sure she isn't black!

>>280801913
Like I said, people don't even want to ENTERTAIN the idea that she's black because they're racist and hate black people.

No one here gives a shit, but they should at least just say that instead of making silly arguments.

>>280799998
Wow I don't know why I read she was Indian and thought "injun" instead of "jeet" for so long

>>280801866
>>280801913
Lack of confirmation isn't evidence. Truly a mystery of what race Casca belongs to.

>>280800444
>The Silk Road meant tons of travelers from the middle east and north africa were around.
This is either bait or you're hilariously misinformed about how the silk road, and trade in general, worked.

>>280801775
>*two named black guys
Wyald has white skin

>>280801966
>Truly a mystery of what race Casca belongs to
Well that's one thing we can agree on at least.

>>280801951
You're claiming Casca is black based on literally nothing and that's racist.

>>280801986
As long as we can agree that one thing's for sure: she ain't black.

>>280802028
If Miura rises from the grave to prove you wrong are you gonna have to tear your cock off because of the absolute horror of the fact you may have jerked it to an illustrated black woman?

>>280802079
I don't understand what you're trying to accomplish here. I'm not racist, just pointing out what's on the page, and everything else is you taking stuff way too personally. Perhaps go back to DBZ threads and argue about whether Piccolo is black or something if "representation" is the only reason you would care about a certain anime.

Donovan is typically *rish.

>>280799148 (OP)
>fantasy
anon....the word is right there

>>280802140
>he can't answer it
Concession accepted

>>280802198
I know it's your first day but this isn't reddit and no one's gonna give you upvotes or say "W dude" or whatever. Just stop being a baiting loser.

>>280802246
>still deflecting instead of answering the question or just fucking off
Holy shit you are fucking pathetic dude.

The closest thing to Casca IRL would probably be a Paki or Iranian person. The real mystery meat is Pippin. What race is he supposed to be? Mongolian/Central Asian maybe?

>>280800132
*Okinawan

>>280802346
I always thought he was some sort of Sino-Turkic mix.

>>280802346
A friend :)

>>280801986
All it takes is one look at her straight hair and we can say definitively she's not black anon

>>280801745
You have it the other way around. People only act like that nowadays because there were retards who insisted that everyone who doesn't look explicitly like a Nordic person has to be black, and they do this for both fictional characters and real life. Even I have been told to support BLM back then just because I have darker skin, and I'm actually SEA.

>>280801160
I've never assumed Casca is Kushan per-se but because it's the only place we know brown people live so I've always assumed she's from around there.
A pre-modern Empire is a multi-ethnic state by definition. Like if the Franks go to war they bring with them their Germanic and Celtic vassals. They might all just look white to you but different ethnicities they are.
So I've just assumed Casca is from around the Kushan controlled area. Maybe a subject nation of the Kushan Empire, maybe not.

>>280801160
How exactly does Casca resemble the black characters with afros, big lips, wide noses and prominent cheekbones more than she resembles this lady or the other Kushan girls she looks like >>280801966 ?

>>280799148 (OP)
Casca is a rape baby.

>>280799148 (OP)
I always assumed caskas fetus monster baby was Griffith kids since he raped and came in her. Was it ever explicitly stated it was Guts's? Its been a long time since I read the manga

>>280799148 (OP)
>Moor
You mean the Moops?

>>280799819
Persians tend to be more light skinned in my experience than Casca desu
But it's possible I guess. She definitely doesn't strike me as based off of a Persian though.

>>280799148 (OP)
I'm pretty sure you're just not supposed to even think about it. Casca wasn't even brown upon her introduction, she just slowly turned browner and hotter as the Golden Age arc progressed. Not a single character comments on how she looks besides Danan, who only says she looks like a dark elf in her chosen cosplay gear.

I'm not jumping in this argument, but it's probably worth noting that many, many cultures languages refer to darker skinned versions of themselves as 'black'.
Like in Asia for example, SEA people will call each other 'black'. They're obviously not what western culture considers 'black' though.
Happens in China too(someone correct me if I'm wrong).
And for an /a/ example... a soft example of this would be Kuro from Fate.
She's not actually black obviously.

>>280804158
>Casca wasn't even brown upon her introduction
She was, Dark Horse fucked up the scans for the first few Golden Age chapters by making it too bright. Griffith's hair has no borders and looks like it's floating into the sky.

>>280799148 (OP)
it's called a tan

>>280805308
then why do the other mercs or peasants, who spend just as much time working in the sun, not also have tans? And considering we see her naked with no tanlines, is she frequently sunbathing nude in order to get that tan all over?

>>280800682
>>280800797
Othello is a fictional character, little buddy. But you're the kind of cretin who thinks a scene from a movie is proof of anything, so it's to be expected you'd confuse fiction with fact. Try to read more books and watch fewer youtube videos.

>>280799148 (OP)
Because Miura wanted to have a brown girl character. She's from an extremely poor and extremely remote village in the mountains, so it doesn't make sense for her to be Kushan either. She's brown for the same reason Griffith has silver hair.

>>280805695
so why would Shakespeare make a character black if no one in medieval Europe had ever seen a brown person?

>>280800312
it was a border village subject to raids, but those raids were during a war against a country other than the Kushan (I forget the name, the country the Midlands hired the Band of the Hawk to fight). so this also doesn't explain possible Kushan ancestry

>>280805747
Just playing devil's advocate but would make sense if there was some sort of marginalized ethnically Kushan group living on the outskirts of Midland. Casca also said they always got attacked and she didn't know why.

>>280805782
For the same reason I could write a story in which you're intelligent - I have artistic liberty and can write something that has nothing to do with reality. Shakespeare also likely never traveled abroad, so there's no fundament for taking his story as authoritative on the demographics of Southern Europe other than a profound stupidity.

>>280805814
Tudor is Berserk's England equivalent, it would be pretty weird for her to live in a border village between France and England.

>>280804100
Based

>>280805882
why? the war they were fighting was the equivalent of the hundred years war iirc, during which the Plantagenet dynasty had territory in France. even if you assume the geography in Berserk is exactly the same as in the real world equivalent, it makes perfect sense

>>280799148 (OP)
>the average person thinks browns didn't exist in europe until 2015

Japan is awful with historic Western civilizations. To them they imagine medieval Europe in a JRPG setting with brown people a nice splash of contrast. They don’t understand that for the huge majority of Europeans seeing a non-white would be a hugely novel spectacle.

>>280805915
outside of borderlands or major trading ports sure, but I guess to be fair that is also where a lot of stories happen; war and adventure stories are usually set around border territories and more urban settings tend to be major cities, which are frequently also trade hubs

>>280799148 (OP)
Miura liked tan (Asian) women and I read somewhere she was designed after a certain tan Japanese model he liked. I forgot her name though.

>>280799148 (OP)
He like brown women, that's it.

>>280799565
What 2nd century Armenia was like? Did they have old Mercedes C-class back then?

>>280799633
I never realized the fat clown was black... How did I miss that?

>>280799148 (OP)
Medieval Europe was a lot more interracial than certain people tell you

>>280799148 (OP)
>fantasy not-Europe
You answered your own question.

>>280807859
But did they have cute dark skinned girl? And by medieval, are we talking about just after the Antiquity or like just before the Renaissance?

>>280808282
There is an Arthurian Knight, Feirefez, who is both the mixed race result of an English knight fucking a Moorish princess (although apparently people didn't know how being mixed race worked back then, because he's described as having patches of black and white skin as a result), and he himself also wooed an Indian princess. So there was at least some cute brown girl appreciation going around back in the day

>>280799148 (OP)
>fantasy not-Europe
You answered your own question.

>>280799148 (OP)
Wow you just noticed that she's a moor

>>280807551
His lips are awfully thin for a black man.

>>280805912
>They represented 0.00001% of the population, this means media is totally justified in showing them as 40% of the population you racists

>>280806099
Miura also said he based all the band of the hawk members on people he knew in high school and I'm pretty sure he didn't go to high school with any blacks or indians.

>>280799148 (OP)
>Moor
Never existed. It's a conspiracy theory like Aryans looking like modern northern Europeans.

If you want real answer - the only reason Casca is dark is because Casca is an amalgamation of Miura's taste in women.

>>280800444
Europeans have shared history with middle eastern cultures so yes, you could see a lot of people like picrel around southern regions, NOT modern indian/sub-saharan hybrids and definitely no pure sub Saharan Africans unless they were slaves or on extremely rare occasions

>>280811564
>definitely no pure sub Saharan Africans unless they were slaves or on extremely rare occasions

"That's bullshit ,the Moors had an army of 1,200,000 Black soldiers fighting in Spain at any point, and the average North African is 30% Sub-Saharan African."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Guard

>>280811811
meant 120000 shit

>>280799148 (OP)
Yeah, southern Greek, northern African, something like that. Turkish maybe

>>280799594
You've never set foot in Spain and it shows

>>280799148 (OP)
The replies to this shit thread are shockingly retarded to say the least. Not even going to even answer the on topic question that can be solved just by reading

There have been gypsies in Europe since the middle ages and that is just an example

>>280812300
you expected /a/ to be able to answer a question about race without being incredibly stupid about it?

>>280812508
This, you've got retards in this thread arguing Casca could be black for gods sake

>>280799148 (OP)
I always thought she was supposedly a gypsy

>>280811811
>>280811857

Once again, wik*pedia is spouting bullshit; the black skin in andalousia was limited to slaves; so much that at the end of the reconquista, the portugese know as much about the black as thé morrocans and co, but only because they were beginning the colonization, and the moors couldn't match them.

It seem like the /pol/bros have found their ways here.

>>280813571
Saying it's ridiculous to imply there were non-whites in pre-modern Europe in non-insignificant numbers is not /pol/ it's just accurate.

>>280813478
The ‘Abid al-Bukhari Black Guard is a real group we even have pictures of them and books written about them from that time period.

Book written by Leo Africanus an moor Andalusi diplomat and author

>In the kingdom of Fez and Morocco, the kings do employ as their chief soldiers certain black slaves, brought from the regions beyond the desert. These men are trained from youth in the use of arms and are very loyal to their master because their lives and fortunes depend on his favor.”

>>280811811
That is an 18th century institution, mongoloid. Berserk is essentially medieval fantasy. You certainly did not have an army corps created in 1699 fighting in the moorish invasion of Iberia in the 8th century. The stupidity of some of you is astonishing.