Poor little Canadian boy

>>280878277 (OP)
He deserved the rape
Cocky little shit had been asking for it

Deserved, shame it doesn't wipe the smug off his face.

i wrote to the author to get an answer, but this seems like a perfect opportunity.
why in round 7 didn't osamu didn't try to get outside the mall and bail out after he had rendezvoused with yuma and hyuse and got sniped from a few floors below by ema?

Thank you for the replies in the last thread. I wouldn't say that any one of them particularly fully satisfies the doubt though.

>>280878312
By the way, if you're going to answer, please read the reply chains in the previous thread first to see if your point has already been brought up.

They should really get Chika a grenade launcher like Zoe's.

Yuba is my favourite yankee cowboy

>>280878312
https://lshirasu.hatenadiary.com/entry/2025/01/13/030519
For what it's worth I just commented the question on this guy's blog, maybe he'll elucidate things in the future.
He's come up with some crazy world trigger theories with a lot of work put in.

Hatohara would never be willing to use Meteor or Hound the way Chika used them
The difference is so clear that I found it baffling Ninomiya even had doubt about Chika’s ability to shoot people

>>280878312
The main thing is they didn't have time like was mentioned before.
Ontop of that, none of them had what was needed to blow up a wall at range to make an opening for Osamu (no senku,no meteora from Hyuse or Yuma), so they couldn't just throw him out immediately.
They'd need to reach the wall to cut it down then throw Osamu out.

>>280877199
>Every team knows how Hyuse is very capable and that surrounding him means less risk for them while also creating a chance at a point.
Ikoma squad didn't know it was Hyuse until they spotted him with a sniper. Yuba could only narrow it down because his sniper already spotted other members of his team and unfortunately for Hyuse all of the other options for who he could be Yuba still wanted dead.
Hyuse also doesn't know who is around him at first and that they are all in positions to meet up with each other while never running into another enemy and starting a fight, which would allow him to escape more easily.
>Not really, you can move from building to building which will make you in general less visible than just running on the streets.
But if someone sees you they know your location and you can't dodge things easily in a confined space with shit visibility because of the walls and roof. He should have bagwormed in hindsight, but that's only because we have more information than he does.
It's either you bagworm immediately and hide and risk lowering your defense or you stay on the radar and hope that the other teams don't target you or fight amongst themselves. Hyuse had a 50/50 shot of guessing the right move.

>>280877845
The mall fight is fun, but it's a bit contrived to set up the final fight. Kageura squad needs to be a few points ahead of T2 to keep things tense, so Ashihara played a bit fast and loose to get Kage points and deny T2.
>Kageura with one hand fends off Yuma and Hyuse at the same time, even blocking Hyuse's surprise delayed bullets then dying of an attack he took six months ago
>Osamu catches Kuruma by surprise and can't get a kill, so Ema has time to snipe
>Ema quick reloads and snipes Osamu
>Osamu doesnt even try fleeing to bail out
>Viper is now so weak Kageura and Azuma can block a barrage from a trion monster at close range, when Nasu's Viper was smashing through shields from miles away
It's all to make sure this round is tense and so Hyuse doesn't trivialise A-rankers, but put together it grates on me.

>>280878477
Thank you for the response.
>they didn't have time like was mentioned before.
I think they had at least 30 seconds total and a lot of that time was spent talking. Even if you consider talking a free action, if yuma and hyuse thought there was a chance of getting megane to bail out, they wouldn't have even been on this topic in the first place, so the fact that it didn't occur to them is what throws me off.
>none of them had what was needed to blow up a wall
just cut walls with kogetsu
>at range
or blast them with hyuse's viper?
why do you need range in the first place, they were close to the outside of the building
>They'd need to reach the wall to cut it down then throw Osamu out.
see above
>so they couldn't just throw him out immediately.
i'd say 10 sec would be enough

>>280878542
That's what happens when you make a hyper competent character with no real flaws in a fight.
Hyuse needed some more balancing in one way or another, like yuuma.

>>280878542
Anon........... I kneel, a true scholar has arrived
I didn't even think of those other points as iffy, I was just focusing on the Osamu bail-out one.
>even blocking Hyuse's surprise delayed bullets then dying of an attack he took six months ago
Can you explain what you mean by xxxx ago? A previous season of the B-rank wars?
also do you have some kind of throwaway account in case i think of more questions later. if not just ignore this

>>280878171
I meant luck for Chika.
Toonoka was ready to shoot her but they happened to move behind the water tank.

>>280878542
Also I'm not participating in readalongs and stuff anymore for pretty much exactly this reason but is this "hyuse is overtalented" faggot a constant presence here? that's crazy lmao

>>280878542
The only bad part is Kage's points, that was always bullshit and it didn't felt like Ko dealt the bigger hit.

>>280878542
Although, on the viper point, maybe it's because nasu's viper was concentrated viper and hyuse didn't make his "asteroid" all point in the same place? idk why he wouldn't though.

>>280878558
>Why not viper
Viper isn't going to make big holes in the wall unless you spread them which would reveal the trick he was intending to hide.
>30 seconds
No more like less than 10 and that's not enough to have Hyuse and Osamu reach the wall then cut it open then send him flying out.
A lot of talking occurs in this series in what should actually be very short periods of time.
>Cut walls with kogetsu
Which requires them all reaching the wall, not just throwing Osamu out.
>>280878617
>1st spoiler
That's not how it works.
He took lost more trion from that attack a while ago than from Hyuse, so when he bailed from trion loss it was given to what attack caused the more trion loss, not the final attack responsible.

>>280878676
Funny you say this when literally next volume Oji calls out Osamu's focused "asteroid'' being a sign of inexperience as a shooter.

>>280878542
Nasu's viper are different. She only breaks shields when she concentrates them in a single point or when she uses Tomahawk.
Taichi's big shield was enough to block Nasu's Viper.

>>280878453
He wouldn't be trying to see if she can shoot if he didn't already have suspicions that she can.

>>280878542
Kage's side effect is busted. He can anticipate and block attacks from almost anyone. Also, he is used to fight against Yuma so he knows what kind of sneaky tactics he will do.

>>280878718
It's a mark of inexperience not because focused shots are bad but because it was a focused 'asteroid' shot at someone with no defense

>>280878542
Kage has 59% winrate against Ko & 52% against Yuma. He is a monster and they got in his comfort range, Hyuse haven't seen Kage up close once, so his speed was most likely not accounted for properly.
Taichi & Kuruma have 5 & 6 trion respectively and Nasu broke shields with focus fire or tomahawk. Hyuse was going for spread-shots barely aiming at all. If that was astorid it would be enough, but viper doesn't have what it takes.

>>280878558
>>280878312
The answer is literally just "the characters didn't think of it in time". Maybe it's a contrivance for the story, but this is a bizarre thing to fixate on.

>>280878675
He cleaved into his chest. I can definitely see that causing more trion leakage by the time Kage bailed out than the leg wounds had.

>>280878346
She needs composite bullets. Salamander would have wiped out Nino or at least one of his teammates on this fight.

>>280878676
>and hyuse didn't make his "asteroid" all point in the same place?
Because Hyuse wasn't trying to break his shield (it wouldn't work on Kage who would know its a focused shot and just make a focused shield).
Hyuse was trying to force his shield and get some stray bullets on his legs

>>280878830
This. We have time to overthink and turbo autismo to the maximo here, but that's just not how it works in an actual battle. Thinking of every possible move when you're in combat mode isn't realistic.

>>280878117
>Swolesamu in full ikemen mode 2 years later
>Chika grows up a bit with juicier thighs and hips
since other agents pick fast on team dynamics, Chika's
>yes-Osamu-sama
attitude will leak out. future is looking grim for team shota sniper, having Nino on his side only makes it worse.

>>280878617
>even blocking Hyuse's surprise delayed bullets then dying of an attack he took six months ago
I just mean he died from trion loss from Murakami's attack during the blackout. In the manga it was probably ten minutes, but in the real world it was several months.

>>280878961
His mom is right.
She has the instinct that Chika is wife material.

>>280878869
Composite bullets still have the issue of producing an enormous "please snipe me" cube. With a grenade launcher she could have pulled off this danger close attack and the only counter would have been shooting them out of the air midflight. And she could have done it without dropping bagworm and from cover (Zoe's grenade launcher arcs the shot).

>>280872982
This is not bad, it's just more data.

>>280879007
You an make composite bullet guns, they should have invested on hornet guns.

Catching up on whee you guys are
We should lobotomise Katori

>>280879007
Not to mention it takes longer when you lack experience and even without the cube, it uses both main and sub triggers so she's open to being taken out.

>>280879032
Katori is an angel

>>280879023
Yeah, that could work too. My main point is that they already knew after the mall match how vulnerable her nuke cubes are to sniping. So just make that impossible. Chika isn't really a shooter. She's not doing anything fancy with her meteors that she'd be losing out on by using a gun instead.

>>280879097
>how vulnerable her nuke cubes are to sniping.
DId they? She basically destroyed the whole thing unopposed.
Failing to account for snipers in this case was a blunder.

>>280879032
no way, that'd gimp her in combat

>>280879032
She just needs some stress relief if you know what I mean. Some gentle relaxation if you get me. Hard-core sex with me if you catch my drift.

>>280879080
After the lobotomy, she will be

>>280879023
Chika wielding a Meteor + Meteor composite bullet gun.

>>280879205
Nah, hound +meteor is scarier, she doesn't even need to aim.

If I was a shooter I would simply fire one giant bullet.

>>280879127
Hyuse pointed it out. Once Azuma had an opening, she couldn't meteor anymore.

>>280879144
>She just needs some stress relief
this.
a month or two off would do wonders to her mental but what she actually needs is a different team with someone else playing the captain.

>>280879245
salamander would be your favorite bullet

>>280878961
>>280878995
They’re childhood friends
Childhood friends never win

Konami's commentaries offer zero insights, just hyping up her own folks and reacting emotionally. why did people ask her to commentate?

>>280879378
All famous commentary moments are emotional. None of them are great insights.

>>280879378
Her reactions are funny

>>280879378
They have Oji and Kurauchi for the real commentary. They asked Konami to be there for her funny reactions to her friends' struggles.

>>280879341
not quite. Rinji was Osamu's tutor and they were close friends as he went bye bye he relived himself of the duty to guard Chika and gave it to Osamu, Osamu is the defacto elder brother to Chika, not childhood friend.
Handsome worrywart elder brother who spoils his little sister rotten is a wild dynamic to miss.

>>280879378
if the commentator cannot stand up and start shouting pure emotional babble that means nothing but gets everyone's blood pumping - he is a trash commentator.
Oji & Kurauchi are there to yap strategy. Konami is there to make you break you seat.
Do not doubt the shadow leader Taketomi-sama, she knows everything about this and this is why she chose this set for the final match.

Osamu already becomes null to beautiful girls because of his mom anyway

>>280879498
someone really should go and rape him

>>280879581
Mira has got it covered.

>>280878830
>>280878906
That's totally fine, but even then usually the commentators would have mentioned it or the characters would have brought it up after the battle at some point, which makes this seem more like an oversight on Ashihara's part.
>>280878714
>Viper isn't going to make big holes in the wall unless you spread them which would reveal the trick he was intending to hide
He can just shoot a bunch spaced out in straight lines while running or something not a big deal
>Which requires them all reaching the wall, not just throwing Osamu out.
Like I said already they were fairly close to the outside wall
>No more like less than 10 and that's not enough to have Hyuse and Osamu reach the wall then cut it open then send him flying out.
A lot of talking occurs in this series in what should actually be very short periods of time.
The talking point is fair but I'm not thinking about pure words per second, I'm thinking about Hyuse and Yuuma STARTING a conversation about consoling Osamu for being taken out - in that time they could have done something

My point is that they were close to the wall, they could have cut it open with kogetsu, and then grasshoppered mikumo out, pretty simple.

>>280878714
>>1st spoiler
>That's not how it works.
Also you might have replied to the wrong person with this

>>280879648
Mira already has Hyrein to rape
He will NOT escape the political marriage

why did Hyuse start respecting Osamu this match? last match he was bitching non-stop

>>280878895
Smart!

>>280879144
>>280879133
>>280879080
total katorine love

>>280879696
Because Mikumo went retard and fell for Azuma's bluff to protect Chika

>>280879424
>have to deal with Oji's nicknames
Kurauchi carries the commentary

>>280879378
sounds like an average sportsball commentator when your national team is playing

>>280879495
>Taketomi-sama
Yeah even the higher ups have her sitting with them... she is in the big leagues

>>280879728
You fool. Oji’s nicknames lighten the mood and make the audience comfortable

>>280879696
Yuma sort of indirectly addressed it. Hyuse is desparate to score points and hold up his end of the bargain. And he feels like he wasn't able to do as much as he could during the mall match and got slightly humbled.
Basically, Azuma corrected yet another brat.

>>280879803
>dinosaurs not on Tsuji

>>280879794
When will there be a squad uniform that has berets?

>>280879853
Ouji is the closest to a frenchfag we have, he blew it

>>280879803
Cute Katori and Oji

>>280879844
the sleepy thing on Murakami is good though

>>280879930
yes agreed.

>>280879669
>they could have cut it open with kogetsu, and then grasshoppered mikumo out, pretty simple.
That all takes time, going up to the wall when starting at the inner edge cutting it up to make a hole big enough for Mikumo.
You'd also need to give Mikumo several grasshoppers to get him out of range, and possibly also have someone carry him (adding weight and slowing down the grasshopper) as he himself has no clue how to use them.
That's just a lot to do in that short period of time.

If they'd realized he was going to bail out earlier, they'd have time but they only realized it at this panel >>280878558
At that point his trion body was already cracking and that's a matter of seconds before he bails out.

>>280878312
If they ran to the edge of the building, Azuma and his squad would notice on radar and get in range to prevent it. Osamu doesn't have enough Trion to Bagworm at that point.

>>280879669
Maybe nobody mentioned it because Osamu is just a trionlet there was no time?

>>280879803
>Hyuse is eating again

>>280879669
>which makes this seem more like an oversight on Ashihara's part.
Even if it is, what does that matter? Ashihara is a human being, of course he might make some "mistakes". That you're trying to out-smart him is pathetic and autistic.

>>280878542
>Osamu failing to kill someone competent is a contrivance

>>280879696
Hyuse actually started respecting Osamu when he got him on the ship on his terms. Hyuse understands the value of each squadmate incredibly well so when Four eyes fumbles it annoys him.
At the same time Hyuse wants to win this for them just as much as Osamu if not more, his master's butt is on the line and he cannot afford to fuck this up.
It might seem like Hyuse is cold and calculating but that is actually not the case. Hyuse is incredibly emotional however years of military training allow him to hide it quite well. In this scenario he understands that getting back hinges on T2 making it and that it is his last chance to do so. Behind the poker-face he is panicking and loosing his shit.

>>280880017
The point everyone seems to be coming back to is a vague "they didn't have time" when they clearly do have time.

>going up to the wall when starting at the inner edge
just grasshopper bounce mikumo and hyuse
>cutting it up to make a hole big enough for Mikumo
a few slices of kogetsu

this takes like 5 seconds maximum

>You'd also need to give Mikumo several grasshoppers to get him out of range
that's no big deal, in the next round yuma does grasshopper pinball, he can do a lot of shit with it, and carrying mikumo isn't a problem either.

>but they only realized it at this panel
yes, and that is one of the big things i (and the other anon) take issue with.
>>280880087
I think one anon did mention it, that is a fair point, however especially because of that Osamu should have realized he should have prioritized bailing out asap.
>>280880110
>what does that matter
I like seeking the truth
>Ashihara is a human being, of course he might make some "mistakes"
of course. however, in fact i think he is the most perfect mangaka in existence.
>That you're trying to out-smart him is pathetic and autistic.
pointing out an error is not out-smarting, nor is it pathetic, perhaps it is autistic though. if that's what pointing an error is, then perhaps all editors in the world to you are pathetic and trying to outsmart their writers.

>>280880107
As frequent as it is, I'm inclined to think there's a reason for it. It could just be that he likes Meeden food. But I'm guessing the horns require their host to eat more.

>>280880246
If they CLEARLY had time then SOMEONE would have mentioned it. Just fucking get it through your skull.

>>280879794
>Yuiga merch
MY BOY MADE IT

>>280880218
To be fair,the railed kuruma so hard him not getting the point for it is really convenient.
Yuu can't tell me ema finishing the job dud more trion damage when he was already leaking like crazy.

>>280880260
Your logic is one that relies on the assumption that the course of events in the story is entirely reliable.
That can work in some types of arguments, but it's similar to seeing an apple fly upwards in a manga, when the manga establishes both before and afterwards that gravity applies, they are on earth, the apple has mass, etc etc etc.
Of course you can say "that's just how it happened in the story" but that removes any point of discussion.
If that's your viewpoint, you can elect to not reply further.

Anyway, if you've understood the above, the point is that the scene was written and drawn in a way that ended up making it a logical assumption that they did have time, however because no one mentioned it, it seems like an oversight by the mangaka.
There's your explanation.

>>280880246
Grasshopper is just simply a no go. Yuma would have to escort him out with repeated grasshoppers, giving Azuma an opportunity to escape. And despite your insistence to the contrary, they didn't have enough time. The only way they were getting him out in time is by escudo launching him out of the building. But they would have needed a clear place to launch and wouldn't have been able to find or create such an opening in time.

>>280879803
>kuromi not on katori

>>280880270
>leaking like crazy
Go back and look. Osamu took out 1 hand and 2 other small holes, he was able to fight totally fine still. Ema blasted him in half.

>>280880320
You are high off your own farts dude. They didn't have Triggers built for destroying walls and shit quickly, Osamu is a trionlet, and they'd have to be grouped up and actively doing that instead of watching for their enemies.

>>280880246
>spoiler
That is of a completely different nature making a cage of grass hoppers were it doesn't matter what direction it goes versus flyinging a person out wards in a specific direction so it really doesn't apply.
If he carried mikumo its just more time to add that they don't have.
>this takes like 5 seconds maximum
That's already too much, Mikumo's trion body is cracking, 5 seconds is probably all he has at most.

>>280880270
Ema outright killed him. If someone had cut Kage's head off they would have gotten the point.
This came up in the Katori match. She knew she needed to kill Yuma outright to get the point because a death by trion leakage would go to Kakizaki.

>>280880032
It's possible that Osamu would be able to get out of 60m range in time though. Not acknowledging the possibility is really the point here. And even if they did prevent it, no harm done because the point was going to Kageura team anyway. I'm not sure exactly where Chika was but she could have guarded the path near him, but even if she couldn't, with a multi-grasshopper head start i don't think they would have been able to catch back up to within 60m of osamu. there was already a bit of a gap and then there's reaction time.

>>280878542
>>280880218
Every time Osamu has gotten a kill from shooting asteroid, it's been against a standing target. Kuruma was flung backwards at that time, and Osamu simply wasn't able to aim well enough to guarantee a kill.

>>280880364
>They didn't have Triggers built for destroying walls and shit quickly
triggers in general can break "normal materials" quite easily.
>Osamu is a trionlet
irrelevant
>and they'd have to be grouped up and actively doing that instead of watching for their enemies.
??? they were already grouped up.
and they could start actively doing that.
there's no reason why they can't do it while watching for their enemies.

You are the one who seems a bit high.

>>280880257
Would make sense to be trion related with Chika's infinite rice appetite.

>>280880260
no no, anon has 85 IQ so only he could have noticed something so obvious. especially after Ashihara showcased escudo catapult into grasshopper combo a few chapters before Osamu crumbled to dust. there is just no way Ashihara would have thought to launch Osamu out of the non existent window or allowed any character to notice this point, its clear that his puny cat brain was preoccupied with explaining why feeding the kill to Azuma is bad idea. Such a blunder on his part, but its fine because generous anon forgives him for his stupidity if he just says how dumb he is and how smart anon is

>>280880432
>Osamu having low trion means the time it takes for him to bleed out being shorter doesn't matter

>>280880379
>specific direction
you only need a vague direction?
>5 seconds is probably all he has at most.
i'd give them like 30, they ran on foot two building lengths and then chatted for a little bit
>>280880346
i don't even think he'd have to escort him, in the next round he flings a car with a single grasshopper quite a distance and that's way heavier than mikumo

>>280880441
Okay, skipping past your weirdly passive aggressive yap,
Why is potentially feeding the kill to Azuma a bad idea?

>>280880480
Oh this thing didn't even read the chapter, explains a lot.

>>280880449
We already established that he was going to bleed out very soon, so his trion level does not matter in the context of this argument as long as we have acknowledged that first fundamental precept of the discussion.

>>280880468
>they ran on foot two building lengths
They ran until they realized when he was about to bailout.
No one in Tamaokma moved from the moment they realized he's about to bailout till he did.
Yuma and Hyuse are not only in the same room but literally the same pose when you look at the 2 panels (page 3 and 6 of 173).
That's at the very best 5 seconds.

>>280880497
I hope you can post more helpfully in the future.

>>280878542
I think I'll pick apart all the spoilered text.
>Kageura with one hand fends off Yuma and Hyuse at the same time, even blocking Hyuse's surprise delayed bullets then dying of an attack he took six months ago
Yes. He is a great attacker with an OP side effect while they are being careful as to not die to someone with a real mastery of Scorpion (balanced weapon btw)
>Osamu catches Kuruma by surprise and can't get a kill, so Ema has time to snipe
Yes, Osamu is not very good
>Ema quick reloads and snipes Osamu
Its as quick as manifesting another gun and he is an A rank sniper when it comes to reloading (if they only get 1 shot per)
>Osamu doesnt even try fleeing to bail out
There is already plenty of aruging over this
>Viper is now so weak Kageura and Azuma can block a barrage from a trion monster at close range, when Nasu's Viper was smashing through shields from miles away
Viper is weaker than other triggers, and Hyuse could have just not invested in the attack power of it since he was doing a big wall of bullets instead of focus firing with super precision.

>>280880410
He literally acknowledged it on the next page, I don't know why you're acting like it's on oversight.
Cramped mall = not enough space.

>>280880518
If you want to be very precise about the timeline, that introduces new bizarre elements, e.g. usami could have warned them about that earlier, which would have given them a better time frame on when he would bail out.
I assume you're treating talking as a free action which is fine, but to me those statements seem strangely like they have completely given up on osamu without even TRYING to get him out, which seems uncharacteristic
again a single grasshopper in the next round was able to launch a car probably... i forget, at least 10-20 meters right? i'm being conservative. it could have been more. i'm pretty sure they had time.

>>280880605
All of this is assuming outside of the mall is 60 meters away from the others. Which it very easily could NOT be.

>>280880560
Right, let me reword it, I meant that they should acknowledge the missed opportunity.
Because in fact, the page you're showing adds more credence to the line of thought that the mangaka had a big of oversight. Arashiyama's statements are what made me feel this whole part was weird in the first place. Being in a cramped mall seems irrelevant when you can just cut the wall and grasshopper him out.

>>280880605
> usami could have warned them about that earlier
No she couldn't have.
Its not easy to predict thing like this when trion bodies have the ability to close up their wounds.
>without even TRYING to get him out
Because one look at him shows his face cracking, they don't have the time so its better to just move how they were before than jump out the building and give their opponents more time to do anything.
>again a single grasshopper
Escudo
Which again is why the space of this place matters, they are inside a mall they need make an exit then send Mikumo outside.
If it was just launching then it'd be fine but it isn't which is why >>280880560 mentions it.

>>280880642
It's true that that's a possibility, but there was also a possibility that they weren't, and Hyuse, Osamu and Yuma didn't even consider/try getting out of range, which is strange.

>>280880700
Because the mall is so cramped that 60 meters is unreasonable.

>>280879144
Stop posting Miura, and get back to the whiteboard.

>>280880700
You say this as if Azuma wasn't also thinking about this. It would be even stranger if this extremely experienced sniper wasn't around specifically not to let him bail out.

>>280880693
>Its not easy to predict thing like this when trion bodies have the ability to close up their wounds.
I dunno about that, what's she looking at on her screen? I'm sure she must have some kind of bar or meter that is depleting at a constant ish rate right? Anyway the point is she could have brought it up earlier, that his trion is depleting at a fast rate
>Because one look at him shows his face cracking, they don't have the time so its better to just move how they were before than jump out the building and give their opponents more time to do anything
I think 60m as his face starts cracking is still worth the gamble. it's possible azuma squad was pretty far to start with anyway (which they were)
>Escudo
True, my bad. But the exit thing still isn't an issue, I keep saying this, they could just cut a hole with kogetsu.
Anyway, be it one escudo or multiple grasshoppers (although i'm pretty sure grasshopper has launched individuals 10-20m too so it wouldn't even be that many), don't you think they would have at least tried? nothing to lose

>>280880711
They are two store widths from breaking out, it doesn't seem unreasonable. Just shoot all those walls down in advance and save a few seconds even.

>>280880728
Again, why is it a problem if Azuma shoots Mikumo? The point is that they should have given it a shot anyway since there is nothing to lose.

>>280880766
Nothing to lose except potentially making a hole that might not even save Osamu that you can be certain the god sniper will use against them later.

>>280880801
A human sized hole?
That Hyuse could seal off with escudo in 1 second?
Also
>>280880728
I know they didn't have this info, but Azuma in reality wasn't even on the same floor.

>>280880793
Dude, it's answered right >>280880560 by Inukai.

>>280880766
> that his trion is depleting at a fast rate
That doesn't need to be brought up, that's obvious from the wound.
The issue is that they don't know how much trion he has left and so they begin to move with the initial assumption that he will survive.
Is that a mistake?
Maybe but its very much a call made in hindsight.
>I keep saying this, they could just cut a hole with kogetsu
And I keep saying that takes more time that they don't have.

> nothing to lose
They lose their position and end up outside the mall.
Immediately after the bombing Hyuse and Yuma begin to search for the remains of Azuma squad.
If they were slower because they exited the mall that gives Azuma squad more time to escape and potentially escape the mall without being seen.

>>280880793
Because they were the only threat remaining. If Azuma took the point, Azuma squad could have easily decided to stick around to deny Tamakoma survival points and tie with them.

>>280880846
It's not suicide if they're trying to accomplish something but get shot in the process.

>>280880864
Why Azuma squad having an extra point cause them to want to deny Tamakoma survival points any more than they would have wanted that already? Just so they could get a tie? It seems more like people care about overall ranks (aka points) more. And they would want points anyway. Whether Osamu goes out to Kageura or Azuma doesn't seem to have an impact.

>>280880864
Not to mention all this talk of escaping is a group action where Yuma uses grass hopper and Hyuse cuts up the wall.
Azuma could just have shot them instead of Mikumo and they'd be open because they'd be using at least their main triggers to help him get out.

>>280880906
*at least one of their triggers

>>280880896
To deny Tamakoma from rising over their own squad?

>>280880859
>That doesn't need to be brought up, that's obvious from the wound
The point I'm making is that Yuma and Hyuse start to act as if Osamu is totally done for after Usami brings it up, hence if we actually wanted to, in this discussion, be super precise as some anons seem to want to, it would have made sense for her to have bring up this discussion point earlier.
>The issue is that they don't know how much trion he has left and so they begin to move with the initial assumption that he will survive.
>Is that a mistake?
>Maybe but its very much a call made in hindsight.
Sure, I'm totally on the same page with you here, and let's say they needed to see Osamu's face cracking to get a clue (although I think they should have been written to think about it earlier). In that case, I think they still would have had time.

>And I keep saying that takes more time that they don't have.
why not just shoot through the walls then? but also a few sword slashes would take like 1-2 seconds tops.

>They lose their position and end up outside the mall.
What position? They're just in a random shop. They can send Osamu out and come back immediately if that shop is really so important. If it's about being back in the mall, it's not like Yuma and Hyuse will be outside for more than a second
>Immediately after the bombing Hyuse and Yuma begin to search for the remains of Azuma squad.
>If they were slower because they exited the mall that gives Azuma squad more time to escape and potentially escape the mall without being seen.
Yeah like 10 seconds more time. Also at that time (before the explosion) it didn't seem like Azuma really wanted to escape, could be wrong though, and that wasn't really going through Yuma and Hyuse's heads anyway right? especially not at the moment when osamu was close to bailing out, which anons have already stated was a tense moment where they probably couldn't think of everything in a short span of time

>>280880974
please read my entire post carefully
>any more than they would have wanted that already
whether azuma took down mikumo, or mikumo bailed out willingly, or kageura's team got the mikumo point, azuma team would obviously want to get the best result and not want tamakoma to rise above them in any case

>>280880667
Osamu and his squad don't know where Azuma's squad is at this point. It would be risky for them to divert all their attention and resources to helping Mikumo escape, especially since they don't even know whether he will bail out or not. By the time they know for sure that he's bailing out, it's already too late.
For the non-autistic readers, Arashiyama's statement covers the tactic of bailing out, so there's no need to waste panel space by having Mikumo's team also discuss it.

>>280880999
> I think they still would have had time.
They wouldn't have.
The face cracking means he's seconds away from bailing out.
That's not enough time.
>why not just shoot through the walls then?
Because viper isn't going to make a big hole unless you do a perfect cutout.
Which isn't going to happen without doing a few shots.
>but also a few sword slashes would take like 1-2 seconds tops
Add that to the time needed to get there and the time needed to then launch Mikumo out of range, and it's not going to be close.

>They're just in a random shop.
They're at the top floor, where Hyuse can easily oversee the lower floors while closing up the mall with escudo.
>it didn't seem like Azuma really wanted to escape,
Why does that matter?
Tamakoma knows they're going to try to escape if Chika begins bombing the place.
Because of course they will that's their best option.

>>280881060
>don't know where Azuma's squad is at this point
Right, they could be 60m away, or 0m away. It's uncertain. however, there's a possibility they could take away a point from kageura squad which makes the bet worth it imo.
>It would be risky for them to divert all their attention and resources to helping Mikumo escape,
It's not all their attention and resources, it's shooting 2 walls and then escudo'ing or grasshoppering him out. they could do that one-handed.
>especially since they don't even know whether he will bail out or not.
>By the time they know for sure that he's bailing out, it's already too late.
even if it's after usami's warning that he'd bail out i think they had time.
>Arashiyama's statement covers the tactic of bailing out, so there's no need to waste panel space by having Mikumo's team also discuss it.
I stated above that I think Arashiyama's statement doesn't make sense.

>>280881087
>They wouldn't have.
>The face cracking means he's seconds away from bailing out.
>That's not enough time.
still worth a try, it's a free shot, azuma squad could have been 60m away already for what they know
>Because viper isn't going to make a big hole unless you do a perfect cutout.
what do you mean by a perfect cutout?
But yeah you can do a few shots, no problem. hyuse can shoot twenty into the wall or something. i don't see the problem
>Add that to the time needed to get there and the time needed to then launch Mikumo out of range, and it's not going to be close.
just grasshopper to the wall before cutting it.
>They're at the top floor, where Hyuse can easily oversee the lower floors while closing up the mall with escudo.
It's not like they're going to magically be on a lower floor after getting mikumo out
>Why does that matter?
>Tamakoma knows they're going to try to escape if Chika begins bombing the place.
>Because of course they will that's their best option.
Yes but Chika didn't bomb until Osamu was out.

I wonder how many times authors and writers get letters or messages saying
>Erm akshully, why didn't character x and y do this perfectly logical thing to do in hindsight?

>>280881216
It's a bit different in world trigger because unlike most other manga (like 99.999% of manga out there) world trigger is worth pondering since the reward that comes from the time spent is pretty much guaranteed.

The whole point about mikumo escaping is moot considering that it would require the 3 to fully cooperate and move as a group potentially putting the remaining 2 in an disadvantous position, and the fact that it would only happen if osamu himself instantly decided he was done and he needed to be evacuated asap, which he neither has the battle experience or willpower to do just yet.

Remember that what made him feel worse after that wall snipe was the idea that he had failed to contribute anything to his team; kitora helped him by showing him a way to be useful even without scoring points, but the idea remains and osamu is still compelled to keep fighting to the last, and after nearly getting wall sniped again (well floor sniped really), he desperately wanted things to be different and still be able to physically contribute.

Your discussing possibilities, but this was a choice, even if it was uncouscious.

>>280881255
>fully cooperate and move as a group
hyuse, yuma and osamu were already together and near the wall of the mall.
>if osamu himself instantly decided he was done and he needed to be evacuated asap
yuma and hyuse could have brought it up
>osamu is still compelled to keep fighting to the last
that's fine but i also expect him to be smarter about not wanting to give kageura points and i think that is in line with his character
>Your discussing possibilities, but this was a choice, even if it was uncouscious.
for osamu? sure, i can buy that if you want. but with hyuse and yuma there and there being nothing to lose in trying to just shoot him in in a few seconds, i still think the whole situation is sketchy.

>>280881169
>Azuma squad could have been 60m away already for what they know
And Azuma could have been well positioned to attack them while they did that as far as they know.
>what do you mean by a perfect cutout?
Hyuse would needs to shoot out a hole in the wall, like shoot bullets around the area of a shape to make an exit.
That takes time especially since he can't use viper to precision control his shots and has to rely on him being very accurate at range.
>ust grasshopper to the wall before cutting it.
Grasshopper isn't instant travel that takes time that once again they don't really have.
>It's not like they're going to magically be on a lower floor after getting mikumo out
If Yuma needs to carry Mikumo with grass hoppers he's going to be several tens of meters outside the mall.
>Yes but Chika didn't bomb until Osamu was out.
So?
That still doesn't cover up that now Hyuse and Yuma need to re-enter to their prior spot and give Azuma squad more time.

Just look at how many points we are discussing.
Tamakoma would need to do all of this and account for things like this in the less than 5 seconds Mikumo had left.

>>280881320
*shoot him outside the building

>>280881216
In this case Ashihara even goes out of his way to explain that running out of the mall is not an option as 60 meters is too much of an ask inside a complicated structure on a strict time limit and feeding a kill to Azuma would put them under suspicion of point manipulation no matter how it happened, which would give Kido a reason to ding them and Kido wants that for months.
So no matter what you do as a writer you will randomly trigger an 80IQ dimwit genius, the only thing left is to stay humble and take it with a smile.

>>280876755
>>280876755
Man, the OST for the anime is SO dramatic.
They coud've gone with something a little more upbeat.
These are ranked battles not fucking world ending wars.

>>280878542
My point of weirdness is that the azuma kids waited for a 2nd shot from Ema before stepping in. Why exactly should you let the sniper get 2 potential kills before offing them?

>>280881340
>And Azuma could have been well positioned to attack them while they did that as far as they know
if he takes out osamu, no problem. yuma and hyuse can just shield themselves or stay away from the hole.
>Hyuse would needs to shoot out a hole in the wall, like shoot bullets around the area of a shape to make an exit.
>That takes time especially since he can't use viper to precision control his shots and has to rely on him being very accurate at range.
shooting bullets in the area of a shape to make an exit does not seem hard.
>Grasshopper isn't instant travel that takes time that once again they don't really have.
you/anons keep saying "not enough time" as a vague fallback, but it doesn't instantly make every point of yours valid. No one said grasshopper was instant travel. We don't know the timings down to the milliseconds so this kind of argumentation is pointless. The point is that grasshopper is fast enough for them to give it a try.
>If Yuma needs to carry Mikumo with grass hoppers he's going to be several tens of meters outside the mall.
Just don't carry him then, grasshopper him once and them mikumo can one leg hop until he bails out either willingly or from trion loss. nothing lost in trying it
this should be obvious
>So?
>That still doesn't cover up that now Hyuse and Yuma need to re-enter to their prior spot and give Azuma squad more time.
They don't need to reenter anything, hyuse and yuma are like 10-20m from where they were before

>Just look at how many points we are discussing.
>Tamakoma would need to do all of this and account for things like this in the less than 5 seconds Mikumo had left.
Completely untrue, they would just need to go
Yuma: "Hey osamu let's grasshopper you out"
Hyuse: cuts the wall
done

this is such a weak argument. a bunch of anons trying to come up with every possible reason to defend the author (which i would also do to the death in any other situation) does not equal people's thoughts on a battlefield priority-wise

>>280879725
It wasn't a bluff though? Koarai was leaving the building.

>>280881425
"nothing to lose" is also a lame fallback but you keep using it

>>280881425
>yuma and hyuse can just shield themselves
Yuma and Hyuse are using their triggers to help him get out in this scenario you describe.
They can't shield themselves.
>shooting bullets in the area of a shape to make an exit does not seem hard.
It seems pretty difficult to shoot bullets into a concrete pattern like that from a distance without taking advantage of viper's properties to me.

>Completely untrue
You complain about me pointing out there isn't time as a lame fallback but just proceed to ignore the time pressure of the situation all together to make this imaginary scenario

>>280881491
I'm open to that point, but you'd have to explain it a bit. I repeat some phrases because unlike the people arguing with me here, I'm fielding (I believe) 5+ anons over this thread, so I'm just borrowing terms to save time and effort, especially when those terms seem self-evident by inspection. If you can explain why they "do have something to lose", that would further your point.

>>280881169
Let's assume there's a full minute between Osamu getting his leg blown off and bailing out. They're in the center of the mall, so assuming one store front between them and the exterior of the mall let's just assume 50 meters. Osamu can't run himself and he's slow to begin with, so he needs to get carried by Hyuse. The average man can sprint 100 meters in about 15 seconds, and Hyuse needs to have a hand free to use Kogetsu or viper to open up the wall to the outside. I'll just assume 30 seconds to grab Osamu, carry him to the wall, and cut a hole in the wall. Kuga also needs to be there to set up grasshopper, probably 2 since Osamu is heavier and won't travel as far. Let's also assume it takes 5 seconds for Osamu to fly 60 meters. That gives them 25 seconds to all be on the same page and to get over the shock of getting ks'd/shot. Basically they need to react instantly and perfectly to get Osamu away before he bails out from trion loss

>>280881508
>Yuma and Hyuse are using their triggers to help him get out in this scenario you describe.
>They can't shield themselves.
They could take off bagworm if they want to shield themselves against potential sniping at the same time that they're using escudo and grasshopper. However Azuma is in the building so I don't think they would need that precaution.
> seems pretty difficult to shoot bullets into a concrete pattern like that from a distance without taking advantage of viper's properties to me.
How? Just shoot straight. The shots that Hyuse fired at Kage are good enough.
>You complain about me pointing out there isn't time as a lame fallback but just proceed to ignore the time pressure of the situation all together to make this imaginary scenario
Again, using "not enough time" as a fallback. Why do you think it would take so long to come up with the idea of "let's get osamu to bail out by sending him away?" Please reply to every single one of my points btw.

>>280881110
They know the location of both of Azuma's kids since they aren't using Bagworm. Since they aren't moving to bail out Osamu, you can logically assume that they are too close (again, cramped mall) and/or that running outside would be too risky without knowing where Azuma is.
Also, it's very important to keep both hands open when you don't know where their sniper is. The risk reward of trying to save Osamu when he's about to bail out vs getting wall sniped while you're distracted isn't worth it.

this thread is going places

>>280881399
They were really underwhelming the entire match, even if their tactical thinking improved. Maybe they were all gung ho in the previous round, got an earful about it and decided to be overly cautious, but between senku and grasshopper they should have been able to slaughter ema and osamu.

>>280881531
>The average man can sprint 100 meters in about 15 seconds
Trion bodies are superhuman.

>>280881531
>They're in the center of the mall
They don't look like they're in the center. They look like they're two small store widths from being outside.
>The average man can sprint 100 meters in about 15 seconds,
I'm pretty sure trion bodies can sprint and perform other feats faster than average people but okay
>I'll just assume 30 seconds to grab Osamu
just grasshopper him
>That gives them 25 seconds to all be on the same page and to get over the shock of getting ks'd/shot
this is way more than enough time

not to mention in reality azuma squad looks to be more than 30 meters away already so osamu could just spam the bail out button

>>280881603
>potential sniping at the same time that they're using escudo and grasshopper
Azuma frequently uses Ibis, that needs both shields not one.
>The shots that Hyuse fired at Kage are good enough.
That's just going to make a bunch of small holes in the wall not one that a person can fit through.
>Why do you think it would take so long to come up with the idea
I think it takes time to actually execute the idea, longer than Mikumo has.

I'm not going to respond to every point when there's stuff like
>a bunch of anons trying to come up with every possible reason to defend the author
That isn't worth a response

>>280881625
guy wants yous

>>280881615
>Since they aren't moving to bail out Osamu, you can logically assume that they are too close
That's if Ashihara was perfectly keeping track of what the characters should logically think in the situation, which from the beginning I have been asserting he wasn't, in this one case. the distance seems nontrivial.
>and/or that running outside would be too risky without knowing where Azuma is.
iirc they should know he's in the mall which makes going outside the mall less of a bad bet especially when only osamu has to go outside.
>Also, it's very important to keep both hands open when you don't know where their sniper is
fair, but azuma isn't shooting from outside as i said above.

>>280881636
>>280881649
Ok, so Kuga needs to grasshopper himself too to get from where they are to the wall. Two small store widths is probably more than 30 meters, so let's just assume that cancels out the trion body buff. 25 seconds to coordinate 3 people is not a lot of time, especially considering the circumstances did just drastically change. Bail out is not a button that can be spammed, it's verbal

>>280881670
Nah, this seems like a serious midwit thinking he's finally a genius for getting this "gotcha me am smart" moment

>>280881255
>nearly getting wall sniped again
Hey, he bailed out because of it. It counts!

>>280881732
I wonder if it's the same guy who argued Karasuma was a bad teacher years ago

>>280881724
>Bail out is not a button that can be spammed, it's verbal
You could just say it over and over, thereby spamming it.

Btw it looks like yuma and hyuse aren't even wearing bagworms, I misremembered that. in that case they definitely can have a free hand to shield while doing escudo and grasshopper
>>280881670
I want a good answer to why Osamu didn't just get sent outside to bail out
>>280881664
>Azuma frequently uses Ibis, that needs both shields not one.
that is fair although perhaps a small but thick shield could be good enough
>That's just going to make a bunch of small holes in the wall not one that a person can fit through.
this point seems to keep coming up but with the size and number of his bullets i don't think that is a problem
>I think it takes time to actually execute the idea, longer than Mikumo has.
as i said they could just shoot through the wall and grasshopper him once. it's worth a shot
>I'm not going to respond to every point when there's stuff like
>>>a bunch of anons trying to come up with every possible reason to defend the author
I don't see how that's not worth responding to. Multiple people quibbling over every possibility is not how Yuma and Hyuse would act on the battlefield.

>>280881724
>25 seconds to coordinate 3 people
bro i was operating on the idea that they had 5-10 sec. 25 sec is way more than enough.
"coordinate"
just run. smash wall. launch mikumo. that's all the coordination needed.
and yeah as the other anon said, spam saying bail out
>>280881768
>>280881732
okay my non-midwit anon buddies, please argue against my points them, elucidate me
and nah i never argued karasuma was a bad teacher
why would anyone do that

>>280881425
>a bunch of anons trying to come up with every possible reason to defend the author (which i would also do to the death in any other situation) does not equal people's thoughts on a battlefield priority-wise
>"anons saying their reasons doesn't equal people's thoughts but clearly what i say is"
kek

>>280881702
If you want to argue distance, then go do the math based on frames in the anime or some shit. Your only arguments are "I think they had time" and drawing arbitrary lines, which isn't going to convince anyone. Since Arashiyama said that the mall is too cramped for them to run away, the onus is on you to actually prove it.
They can get wall sniped from inside, they don't know Azuma's position.

>>280881783
> perhaps a small but thick shield could be good enough
That's just taking unnecessary risks about where the shot is heading.
Heavily risking one of their main fighters going down in the meantime.
>but with the size and number of his bullets i don't think that is a problem
I do because viper isn't built for that
>it's worth a shot
Its already to late to take a shot

>I don't see how that's not worth responding to
Really?

>>280881876
You're misreading my words, perhaps because you're trying to "win the argument". My point is that on a battlefield in that moment where mikumo seems like he's about to bail out, the way they think would not be something like "considering every possibility one by one and making consistent layered back-and-forth arguments", rather they would prioritize one thing, the most important thing, which is not giving the point to kageura.

>>280881944
why? what did they have to lose to giving the point to kage?

>>280881775
>>280881820
Hyuse has 5 distinct actions (run to Osamu, grab Osamu, wait for grasshopper, cut hole in wall, throw Osamu out). Kuga has 4 distinct actions (set grasshopper for Hyuse, grasshopper himself to wall, set 2 grasshoppers for Osamu). This needs to be coordinated within 25 seconds, in a combat situation, where the situation has just changed. I'm not arguing that they don't have time, they just have to act immediately with no hesitation and be completely in step, in the first round Hyuse is working with T-2.

>>280881732
Would be tragic but I remember noticing someone trying to say
>Ashihara missed this
>author oversight that
a few threads before Mall, so this creature was looking for it, it is it's way to farm yous. as you can see he immediately posted 3 times in a row in this thread with an image attached to make sure everyone sees it and made himself the center of attention, hell I wouldn't be surprised if he made the thread, then proceeds to write dismissive statements and buffers his response with heavy greentexting to make it seem more credible despite all of it being empty dismissal. From that point its just spam and complete dismissal of all arguments.
This isn't a discussion its a you farm or boring troll attempt. our threads have gotten too fast, we were bound to attract one or two of these.

>>280881885
Trusting the anime on this kind of thing is pretty sketchy dude.
>Your only arguments are "I think they had time" and drawing arbitrary lines, which isn't going to convince anyone.
You haven't been reading my posts then, my strongest points are that they have little to lose by trying it.
>drawing arbitrary lines
they highlight the distance between certain areas and if you have been in a mall before you probably can abstract out some kind of meaning from them
>They can get wall sniped from inside
if they're worried about that they can set up a few escudos facing the inwards direction of the mall too in 1 second

>Canada has issued a travel advisory for Japan after reports of a teenage tourist being viciously assaulted by over half a dozen assailants

>>280881820
Personally I think that they could potentially have made it to the wall, cut it open and launched him in the amount of time they had left if they acted immediately. The amount of time they had is ambiguous and clearly wasn't zero and all of the in-universe commentary doesn't even mention launching him out of the mall as an option meaning that the author very well may not have thought of it. The drawing of where they were on the map also makes it look feasible.
I wouldn't bother continuing to argue about it though. People who are too big a fan of something or someone are impossible to convince when it comes to criticism that is not absolutely objectively true. If there is any wiggle room they will never accept it and label you an asshole or a retard for "insulting" something they like.

Actually didn't it start with this guy saying that he "wrote to Ashihara to ask this" and then he proceeded to do his thing?
Writing a stupid question to an author and then waving it around saying you did it is a good way to rile his fanbase against you.

>>280881925
>That's just taking unnecessary risks about where the shot is heading.
>Heavily risking one of their main fighters going down in the meantime.
If we're talking about shots from outside somehow (i.e. someone is shooting through the Osamu hole they make), i don't see why they'd need to poke more than their head or hand out a bit to make the grasshopper, so one small shield should be enough. if we're talking about wall sniping from inside, well they already didn't have shields on when running around so i don't think that's relevant.
>I do because viper isn't built for that
Why do you think that?
I'm pretty sure Hyuse's viper is stronger than a normal person's asteroid and i'm sure both can at least shoot away an area of wall that is equal the one square face of their bullet cubes, and if you shoot everything hyuse had in that page, mikumo could definitely fit through
>Its already to late to take a shot
again, please try to elaborate your point rather than just going "it's too late"
>Really?
Yes, as I outlined here >>280881944

>>280881954
If they give the point to kage squad, tamakoma-2's goal of getting within the top 2 b-ranks is all the more difficult.
have you been one of the anons arguing with me so far btw? this is kind of telling...

>>280881964
You're treating this as if it's a TTRPG and mikumo, hyuse and yuma are narrating what their characters do. no coordination like what you're describing (assigning 4 actions here, 5 actions here) is needed once a basic goal is set.
>with no hesitation and be completely in step, in the first round Hyuse is working with T-2.
the canadian is talented and adaptable.

>>280882087
why would it make it more difficult? kage squad was wiped out already and osamu was going down anyway, one more point for them wasn't gonna make a difference for tamakoma

>>280881974
>our threads have gotten too fast, we were bound to attract one or two of these.
I'm not participating in these threads, i just saw a world trigger thread and came to ask a question i have had for a long time (that didn't get answered when i asked in less busy threads)
anyway, if you think i'm just a midwit trying to farm yous, please be the first person to successfully refute my points
>then proceeds to write dismissive statements and buffers his response with heavy greentexting to make it seem more credible despite all of it being empty dismissal
so... is this not an empty dismissive statement?

We should be shit talking Huston for not Bagworming immediately instead. Yes I know there are 2 other snipers on the map, but you know what helps with those? Buildings. Also if a sniper shoots in the first 10 seconds of the match then they are in hot shit.

>>280882136
Anon, I don't think you're reading the same manga, it's stated several times in the manga how much more difficult gaining an extra point is since they have only 1 match after this one. i'm sure other anons, even the ones who have been arguing with me, would agree with me on this one.

>>280882047
Thank you for this post.
I have a bad habit of trying to "point out incorrect statements" (Of course, it is possible that I'm the one in the wrong, but the point is if I sense something that seems incorrect, I have an urge to correct it) so I end up getting in infinite feedback loops in these 4chan arguments.
I originally set a time limit for 40 min ago to leave the thread lol. maybe i'll just stay another 10 min. anyway thanks for the kind advice and thanks for sharing your opinion on the "mikumo bailout" discussion.

>>280882047
>all of the in-universe commentary doesn't even mention launching him out of the mall as an option meaning that the author very well may not have thought of it.
And yeah, that was one of the things that also made this section feel weird. Thanks for pointing it out (along with the other points you made)

>>280882167
and what difference would kage squad getting or not getting a point have made for tamakoma?

>>280882236
Read the manga.

>>280882047
Very subtle.

>>280879403
Disagree. Tachikawa's speech about how feelings don't win matches was very insightful.

>>280882236
The number of points Tamakoma would need to get to rank 2 would have been higher by 1. So they'd need to score 1 more point in the next round.

>>280882153
We have the benefit of knowing where everyone is on the map. He doesn't. He had no way of knowing that Yuba and Obishima spawned in together and the Ikoma squad was surrounding him. It took a bit for him to know they were converging on him. And at that point it was frankly too late.

>>280882153
he was seen by Oki so it would have been moot anyway, once Ikoma started collapsing Yuba would join the fun, maybe it would buy a bit more time, but I doubt it

>>280879023
What was the downside of Composite Guns? Is there any reason not to use Gimlet over Asteroid in literally every circumstance, outside of being a Trionlet?

>>280882254
>Very subtle.
You're implying I'm samefagging? That's okay, no skin off my back if you think so, although that's not me. Actually, given that I fully believe my side is the more persuasive one in this argument (I didn't even think anons would disagree with me), I'm surprised that it took this long to hear from an anon that wasn't on your side.

>>280880826
>human sized hole
>jumping blindly outside where Azuma could be waiting and easily shoot past Osamu to get another kill

>>280882311
>I fully believe my side is the more persuasive one in this argument
It would be really weird if you didn't

>>280882114
Hmm? No these are distinct actions that need to be coordinated with the other actors. They also are dependant on each other (Kuga needs to wait to grasshopper Hyuse after Hyuse gets Osamu, and needs to grasshopper Osamu after the wall is cut open and he gets thrown out the side of the mall). Hyuse isn't the main problem here, he's shown to coordinate well with Kuga, it's Osamu (note both of them are combat veterans, and Osamu is the second least combat experienced agent in the story). Osamu is decisive once he makes a decision, but generally takes time to discuss or think before acting (see replica's discussion with Osamu at the end of the invasion, not blowing up the bridge in round 3, plotting escape route in round 6). While Osamu is used to working with Kuga, he is absolutely not used to Hyuse.

>>280882316
As I stated above in the thread, I think it can be reasoned that Azuma is inside the mall given the short amount of time that has passed since he shot Ema (if the crux of your point is that Azuma is outside. if not, i can provide further argumentation)
Although, I guess it's not 100% confirmed the depiction of the manga if Mikumo, Yuma and Hyuse saw that Ema was taken out by a bullet trigger?

>>280882064
> don't see why they'd need to poke more than their head or hand out a bit to make the grasshopper,
It doesn't matter how much they poke out, someone from the outside could see in and see them.
Even worse they could shoot through Mikumo to block the line of sight and make it impossible to block.
> well they already didn't have shields on when running around so i don't think that's relevant.
It's fine when they're running inside because Azuma doesn't have to many places to act from they can just visually check if he's there.
But if they need to do several combo motions to get Osamu out they lose that sightline and open themselves from behind.

>I'm pretty sure Hyuse's viper is stronger than a normal person's asteroid
I don't see any reason to think that.
>please try to elaborate your point rather than just going "it's too late"
Why?
You're only elaboration is 'its worth a shot'.
Despite knowing it puts them at risk, from their perspective.

> rather they would prioritize one thing, the most important thing
The most important thing isn't giving the point to Kageura though?
That's only the most important in hindsight.
The most important thing is to score as much as they can off Azuma squad.
Because that goes towards garaunteeing them the survival points that they can't guarantee yet.

>>280882268
He doesn't need to know who exactly is around him to know he should probably just cloak up for the opening few seconds.

>>280882255
I meant in real life. Most of the highlights from sports games commentators are them freaking out and shouting some quotable line.

>>280882362
kek, fair enough
>>280882370
Osamu and Hyuse not having experience together doesn't seem to be a big issue since Osamu can't really do anything to actively hinder their actions/judgment at the moment.
Here's how I see it playing it.
Osamu: "Get me outside! I'll bail out!"
Hyuse: Shoots the walls til there's a hole
Yuma: grasshoppers all three to the farthest wall near the hole
Yuma: grasshoppers osamu out
not really much thought needed
if you want, osamu can add "hyuse, shoot the walls! yuma, grasshopper us!" that takes a few seconds

>>280879378
She is funny.

>>280882421
Well Osamu needs to know what is happening, and possibly needs to make the call himself as captain. The timing is very tight regardless, and requires everything to go as planned.

>>280882287
We haven't seen them yet, but if they also require both main and sub trigger slots at the same time then they are just as cumbersome as the shooter version, yet cannot be used seperately.

If they used 2 slots on the samd side it would be a worthy tradeoff though.

>>280882392
>It doesn't matter how much they poke out, someone from the outside could see in and see them.
Shouldn't Osamu, Yuma and Hyuse know that no one is outside yet? As many anons have been saying, barely any time has passed since the earlier events at this moment, when Azuma squad was confirmed to be in the mall.
>Even worse they could shoot through Mikumo to block the line of sight and make it impossible to block.
If they shoot through mikumo and yuma and hyuse aren't standing right behind mikumo then they're good
>It's fine when they're running inside because Azuma doesn't have to many places to act from they can just visually check if he's there.
>But if they need to do several combo motions to get Osamu out they lose that sightline and open themselves from behind.
They can just temporarily escudo from behind or something, or have osamu look backwards as they carry him, or anything. it's not like there's no possibilities of looking behind them
>I don't see any reason to think that.
more trion means by default he would have assigned more to the power stat too, no? and even if it were a normal person's asteroid level, that's still enough
>You're only elaboration is 'its worth a shot'.
I've elaborated a lot all throughout the thread and I'm pretty sure "it's worth a shot" is not all i've said. But it is the central point.
>Despite knowing it puts them at risk, from their perspective.
How so?
>The most important thing isn't giving the point to Kageura though?
>That's only the most important in hindsight.
This is again a problem I have with the writing.
>The most important thing is to score as much[...]
>that goes towards garaunteeingthe survival points that they can't guarantee yet.
Sure, but it's a matter of priorities. Spending 10 seconds on trying to lower their hurdle by 1 point seems like it's worth it. And anyway, no points are guaranteed in the first place. I could also say trying to get mikumo out "goes towards" guaranteeing them a lower point hurdler.

>>280882467
All Osamu needs to know is that he's gonna bail out soon, and 25 seconds should be enough to come to a decision, and even if he needs to make the call, yuma and hyuse (or shiori) just need to suggest it. he doesn't have to be the one to come up with all the details (and he doesn't need that many details in the first place)

Holy autismo

>>280882207
The problem is the statements you're pointing out aren't incorrect, you just refuse to accept them.
The bottom line is that getting out Osamu out of the mall is easier said than done and the story says as much. You just refuse to accept that because the story didn't go into autistic detail as to why the ways you think they could have tried wouldn't work.
Likewise the story tells you that that feeding Azuma the point instead would be penalized for point manipulation. You just refuse to accept it because the story didn't go into autistic detail as to might be construed as deliberately giving Azuma the point.
And the story shows you that Osamu didn't have much time before he ran out of trion and bailed out. You just refuse to accept there wasn't enough time because when Osamu got sniped they didn't immediately decide to get Osamu out of the mall to bail out and start working on it only to fail.

Those aren't the statements being incorrect, they're just you not wanting to accept the story's explanations without an absurd amount of detail and proof.

>>280882396
Immediately bagworming right at the start is only done by snipers, trappers, or when someone has a specific plan where they need to keep hidden. For everyone else, mitigating the risk of immediately getting domed by a sniper is worth giving away your position (but not identity).

kinda feels like a raildex shizo, same posting style also this part
>This is again a problem I have with the writing.
just brings back memories. strange I'd think these two threads wouldn't intercross at all but we have a guy call Toma Touma for like 2 threads so there is that.

>>280882518
>this is again a problem I have with the writing.
Your problem with the writing is that the characters don't see what's most important in hindsight?

>If they shoot through mikumo and yuma and hyuse aren't standing right behind mikumo then they're good
They can't guarantee that, its position dependent.
>more trion means by default he would have assigned more to the power stat too, no?
Yes, but you are comparing 2 triggers where one sacrifices optimization in power for other benefits.
This isn't a straightforward comparison you're just assuming it's sufficient because it fits your argument.


>no points are guaranteed in the first place
Which is exactly why their taking out Azuma squad is a higher priority.
Because that has the potential for much bigger returns and before Chika kills one of them Tamakoma isn't fighting with the advantage, so they need to isolate off the 2 attackers from Azuma.

>>280882650
I suppose I'd believe it more if we saw more Snipers actually having the chance to shoot immediately. I hope we see some of it in the future.

>>280882421
Here's how I see it in my version
Osamu: "Get me outside! I'll bail out!"
Hyuse: "And how will we do that?"
Osamu: "hyuse, shoot the walls! yuma, grasshopper us!"
Hyuse: "And leave us open for Azuma?"
Osamu: *grits his teeth for a few seconds wondering why he didn't think of that*
Yuma: "It will stop Ema from taking the point at least."
Hyuse: "Fine"
Osamu is too late and bails out

>>280882639
>getting out Osamu out of the mall is easier said than done
I understand that that is your side's thesis, and I have the opposite. We have to try to justify our theses.
>and the story says as much
This is not a justification since my base point is that Ashihara made an oversight.
>You just refuse to accept that because the story didn't go into autistic detail as to why the ways you think they could have tried wouldn't work.
No, the story didn't need to go into autistic detail, it just needed a single 1 bubble acknowledgement.
>Likewise the story tells you that that feeding Azuma the point instead would be penalized for point manipulation
Only if Osamu chooses to just jump at Azuma to get killed. Here, Osamu is trying to escape. The motivation in mind is important. I think the yakiniku party talk is also kind of relevant here.
>You just refuse to accept it because the story didn't go into autistic detail as to might be construed as deliberately giving Azuma the point.
In any case, you can't say making a bad judgment = deliberately giving a point, that makes no sense.
>And the story shows you that Osamu didn't have much time before he ran out of trion and bailed out. You just refuse to accept there wasn't enough time because when Osamu got sniped they didn't immediately decide to get Osamu out of the mall to bail out and start working on it only to fail.
Not really, another anon was thinking how they might have 25-50 seconds and so on. My idea that they have 10 seconds or so isn't too crazy imo.
>Those aren't the statements being incorrect, they're just you not wanting to accept the story's explanations without an absurd amount of detail and proof.
Nice restatement of your thesis, but your arguments weren't strong enough to back it up.

>>280882727
You are not worth arguing with because you ignore all other points. Even a debate club would laugh you out.

>>280882547
Except no one did suggest it. Osamu didn't think about it, focusing more on the bad feeling he had earlier, Kuga tried to reassure Osamu, and Shiori didn't mention it either.

>>280882680
>Your problem with the writing is that the characters don't see what's most important in hindsight?
It's that either mikumo, yuma and hyuse in the moment should have thought about getting mikumo out, OR the commentators should have brought it up then, OR after the match, in HINDSIGHT as you like to put it, it should have been brought up
>They can't guarantee that, its position dependent.
fair enough.
However, what about the point that they should know that no one is outside?
>Yes, but you are comparing 2 triggers where one sacrifices optimization in power for other benefits.
>This isn't a straightforward comparison you're just assuming it's sufficient because it fits your argument.
Yes but the material they are shooting at is human made material, trion is supposed to blast that shit away easily. At the very least a hole the size of the trion cube seems reasonable.
>Which is exactly why their taking out Azuma squad is a higher priority.
No, because the possible risk and ease in either case needs to be consider as well, and grasshoppering osamu out would not lead to any increased risk as i have argued.
>Because that has the potential for much bigger returns
and more risks and less ease
>and before Chika kills one of them Tamakoma isn't fighting with the advantage, so they need to isolate off the 2 attackers from Azuma.
they could do that after sending osamu out.

Objectively, every agent should either start the fight with bagworm equipped, and only remove it after confirming the position of their teamates if they want, or be forced to join in without bagworm so their initial position would be known. There is zero advantage to start the match without it as it is.

>>280882716
I think I can swallow that Hyuse could have a comeback, for the sake of argument. But in that case, they should know that Azuma is inside the mall, I believe.
Anyway i think even your whole exchange could happen within time.
But I think Hyuse would have realized Yuma's statement there already.

>>280882801
Maybe trionlets don't do it, but I would agree. Someone mentioned it a few threads ago and they are right. I could also see attackers not doing it because if EVERYONE does it the match may go to a crawl too much and let the ranged agents dominate.

>>280882765
How did I ignore all other points? I'm pretty sure I'm the only one here who actually replies to every single point I'm sent. look at the reply you're replying to. does that look like "ignoring"?

Posting some old memes and tomorrow I'll post the link to the thread for chapter 195 when it first dropped

>>280882787
>Except no one did suggest it
Yes... which is EXACTLY my point.
It was the author's oversight to have no one mention this, not in the moment, not from the commentators, and not after the match ended (or farther in the future even).

>>280882817
*happen within time if they all stand still without bagworms and talk about it without trying to take cover first

>>280882850
Golden Osamu count from a past storytime

Holy autismo thread

>>280882792
>yuma and hyuse in the moment should have thought about getting mikumo out
Why?
They know they don't have time, so they choose to act on other things instead.
>OR the commentators should have brought it up then
They did?

>what about the point that they should know that no one is outside?
If they know that they still have to deal with being open from the inside.
Having Hyuse escudo adds time they don't have.
Having Mikumo somehow keep sight while throwing him at speeds he's not used to is not going to do much.
Especially since the 2 attackers have grasshopper this match and they know this.
Keeping themselves open to being attacked is a risk.
>and more risks and less ease
That they have to deal with anyway so its better to start improving their odds now try some maneuver that's already unlikely to work.
>they could do that after sending osamu out.
That again gives Azuma squad more freedom to move about that they don't want to give them because it worsens Tamakoma's odds in a fight.

>>280878312
Because he got his fucking leg blown off dude what

>>280882864
I don't see how that's relevant. They're already in a store, and they stayed in it for a while. they can keep busting through store walls until they bust into the thin edge outside which is still covered by the store wall (and set up an escudo if it comes to mind). Also are you saying that if they took off bagworms they would talk quicker? Or if they were running they wouldn't be able to think of grasshopering mikumo out or basic shit like shooting/cutting through the wall?

>>280882801
I would go even further and say that they should have bagworm added to their trion bodies as an option they can toggle on/off at any time instead of being a trigger and wasting a slot.

Since we are still discussing about why Osamu bailed out this is my take (we are done with the discussion about how Kage is a beat, why Hyuse's viper couldn't break a shield and why Osamu wasn't able to kill Kuruma right?)
As soon as Ema shot Osamu's shoot, they were rushing towards the other side of the map, but legless Osamu wasn't fast enough.
Then when Usami told them that Osamu is about to bail out, it was already too late. It wasn't even 10 seconds.
The other take is that they had enough seconds to cut a wall (kougetsu or senku then escudo + grasshopper). Which is viable although dangerous since is not having enough time to have shields developed.

>>280882287
They use both hands. Still, I'd expect some usage. The big drawback in composite bullets is the time and skill to form them, so if you can summon a gun that makes them as fast as a normal bullet that would be very useful.

Of course, just because something is possible doesn't mean anyone has realised they can do it. Izumi invented Combo bullets in the first place by fucking around. Maybe no-one has considered a combo gun.

>>280882907
They didn't stay in a store for a while.
They were running (Osamu was hopping) until the bail out announcement from his trion body said Limit Exceeded.

>>280882876
Didn't have the chance to post this the first time ko was introduced

>>280882947

>>280882908
I wonder if bagworm makes a difference at all vs neighbours/trion soldiers, very few of them if any relied on radar. Could be something that works well in rank war meta but innefective in actual combat.

>>280882905
Please read through the whole thread or think it through a bit more (like Murakami team's "what if we were planning for day 4" idea) because I'm pretty sure you're like 7 steps behind in terms of your argumentation at this point
>>280882896
>Why?
>They know they don't have time
What is your proof of this?
>they still have to deal with being open from the inside
thanks for conceding the outside point.
okay, for the inside point see >>280882907 they had some cover
>Having Mikumo somehow keep sight while throwing him at speeds he's not used to is not going to do much.
I agree, but the point earlier I was replying to was something like "they need someone to look behind them"
>That they have to deal with anyway so its better to start improving their odds now try some maneuver that's already unlikely to work.
>that they have to deal with anyway
the point is that the one point they could save by getting mikumo out - getting that last extra point by fighting azuma squad may take comparable risk and effort
>That again gives Azuma squad more freedom to move about that they don't want to give them because it worsens Tamakoma's odds in a fight
10 seconds of time, which yuma and hyuse already give them afterwards since they're maneuvering around the stores before chika shoots


And you ignored this.
>It's that either mikumo, yuma and hyuse in the moment should have thought about getting mikumo out, OR the commentators should have brought it up then, OR after the match, in HINDSIGHT as you like to put it, it should have been brought up

>>280882695
You could argue they don't because of the shields. Oki spotted Yuba and Obishima right away and might have even had a shot on her. But he neither took it nor tried to snipe either of them as they were making their way to bully Hyuse. Snipers prefer to wait until the target is distracted and ideally using their other triggers and unable to shield.

>>280882964
if bagworm works like Chika's sneak mode, then yes it does.

>>280882963
More emblems

>>280882914
>they were rushing towards the other side of the map, but legless Osamu wasn't fast enough.
they could have grasshoppered him from inside the mall too, and they were already near the edge of the mall
>Then when Usami told them that Osamu is about to bail out, it was already too late. It wasn't even 10 seconds.
this is fair
>not having enough time to have shields developed.
i think they could have at least 1 shield up each (besides osamu)

>>280882971
>Please read through the whole thread or think it through a bit more (like Murakami team's "what if we were planning for day 4" idea) because I'm pretty sure you're like 7 steps behind in terms of your argumentation at this point
What possible "argumentation" is there
Everything at his knee and below is gone

>>280882941
>they didn't stay in a store for a while
my point is that they were still taking cover in the sense that they were inside a store, running/staying is not the key here

>>280882907
I'm saying they don't have bagworms on AND they aren't moving when there's a notorious wall banger.

>>280882854
They all have other tasks they are doing or distractions, it's not unreasonable to assume the characters in universe didn't think about it.

>>280883025
Okay here's step 2 of the argumentation. how about grasshopper-ing him?
>>280883033
Okay? They can keep moving then?
>>280883036
For the sake of argument, okay. It could still have been brought up after the match and commentary was over at some point if the author did think of it. Which is why I'm wondering if he didn't think of it.

>>280883055
>Okay? They can keep moving then?
That's also what they did. They moved to take cover in another room. Which was barely enough time for Osamu before he bailed out.

>>280882971
>What is your proof of this?
I don't see why I need proof for this anymore than you need proof for it being completely viable that Mikumo wasn't going to break in the time they tried it.
>they had some cover
You don't know that?
They're in a store, in a mall that typically has them wide open.
>Getting that last extra point by fighting azuma squad may take comparable risk and effort
Its risk and effort they need to take regardless and its risk and effort that has significant more potential gains making it more worth investing into.
>Which yuma and hyuse already give them afterwards
There's a difference though, one is with them overlooking from the top floor close to the gap in the mall.
They can see much more ground than if they went to get Osamu out.

>And you ignored this.
Literally the first line I responded too?
The commentators already mentioned that its an idea but an unlikely one.
What more do you want?
An explicit breakdown of how it wasn't feasible?

>>280883093
Yeah they were running in the direction of "outside the building" right? So it's not like it contradicts with the "grasshopper to outside the building" strat

>>280882989
Free point

>>280883055
Grasshopper doesn't launch someone 60m in one bound, we've never seen it used for that kind of long distance movement period for a non-user
Same with Escudo

Another thing for the >just grasshopper Osamu around
You really think fucking 4 eyes is gonna stay coordinated with grasshopper that he has never used before with 1 leg and 1 arm?

>>280883027
They were near the edge of the mall when Osamu was about to bail out.
You are suggesting that as soon as Osamu's leg was shot, they should have made Grasshopper springboards to reach the edge of the mall without hitting any wall, cut the outer wall of the mall, then Escudo + Grasshopper springboard to launch Osamu to safety.
I know that Hyuse and Yuma are good, but I don't think they are that good.
They had like less than 10 seconds to do all that because Osamu's trion was already almost depleted when Ema shot his arm so once his leg was hit his leg, Osamu was almost done at that point.

>>280883114
Yeah, and by the time they finish the discussion, they make it to the room. They now have seconds before Osamu's about to bail out.

>>280882677
>but we have a guy call Toma Touma for like 2 threads so there is that.
Well that's his actual name, viz just doesn't bother with prolonged vowels

>>280882876
Wonderful job, anon. I guess up until now we got at least a couple more Golden Osamus?

>>280883139
And it would take more than one to get him far enough. It would have to be an escudo launch. Which further complicates getting him out since you not only need a hole, you need one across from something you can pop an escudo out of.
If they had a few minutes, sure. But they had seconds. It was never going to happen.

>>280883100
>I don't see why I need proof for this anymore than you need proof for it being completely viable that Mikumo wasn't going to break in the time they tried it.
Anon, don't waste time on stuff you can think through yourself like this. It's just a nuisance.
Why? Because you're making a direct statement: "they know they don't have time".
You should be able to justify it.
Meanwhile, I never stated, in your words, that it was "completely viable that Mikumo wasn't going to break". I'm only saying that since he hasn't broken yet, they might as well give it a try.
>You don't know that?
>They're in a store, in a mall that typically has them wide open.
If they break through the first store into the second there is a wall between the stores for sure
>Its risk and effort they need to take regardless and its risk and effort that has significant more potential gains making it more worth investing into.
You're just repeating yourself.
You're treating the "more potential gains" as a whole unit as if they either get a total win from azuma or don't.
It's possible that they only get 1 point from azuma squad. Or 0 points too. So throwing away a chance like osamu's point is imbecilic.
>Literally the first line I responded too?
>The commentators already mentioned that its an idea but an unlikely one.
>What more do you want?
None of the commentators mentioned getting outside via grasshopper/escudo/etc., in fact the statement by arashiyama seems to imply he was thinking of getting 60m away while remaining WITHIN the mall with his "easier said than done when fighting in a cramped mall", which again makes it seem like it was an oversight by ashihara.
>An explicit breakdown of how it wasn't feasible?
You also didn't respond to the point of why it wasn't brought up AT ALL - i.e. not after the match either, i mean even after commentary/etc is done too. it could have been mikumo reflecting on the match later.

>>280883100
>There's a difference though, one is with them overlooking from the top floor close to the gap in the mall.
>They can see much more ground than if they went to get Osamu out.
I was ready to concede this point since again the 10 seconds doesn't really matter, BUT as you can see here they still spent some time in an area that wasn't close to the gap, there were multiple store lengths away for at least a little while

>>280883210
Forgot to say that they are doing all that while also paying attention to Azuma's possible position, the ghost who can do the stupid wall shot.
Let's also remember that Yuma was also trying to stop his trion leaking.
>>280882677
His name is 当真 勇. His last name is read as Touma or Tōma.

>>280883118
This is Kido's successor at Border. Do we actually have Kido's stats? Would be fucking funny if he's also a trionlet

If only Ema took his sniper practice more seriously.

>>280883130
It seems to have sent Kotarou at least 10m straight up, so if you're sending someone horizontally from like the 3rd floor or something it should cover at least a bit of distance, which could be enough to make the 60m

>>280883139
>>280883246
You don't need him to be coordinated, just set a bunch of grasshoppers like the pinball so he can't miss it, or just use one and send him as far as you can

or hell you can probably make a path with escudos growing out of escudos if that's possible, given hyuse's range

>>280883289
Touma name is quite cool now that I look at it.
>当 is used when you hit a target (atari, I played too many gacha with lottery system)).
>真 is truth.
>勇 is hero.

>>280883299
There's a good chance he is. He most likely wasn't doing trion related things until he was an adult and his trion gland couldn't grow anymore.

>>280883317
Someone with their full body that uses the trigger.

>>280883334
If you set up grasshoppers in a line he is just going to bounce back and forth. And Escudo is a notably somewhat slow Trigger.

>>280883210
>>280883289
>You are suggesting that as soon as Osamu's leg was shot, they should have made Grasshopper springboards to reach the edge of the mall without hitting any wall, cut the outer wall of the mall, then Escudo + Grasshopper springboard to launch Osamu to safety.
>I know that Hyuse and Yuma are good, but I don't think they are that good.
I don't think they have to be that good to do what you're describing. The first part seems easy and straightforward. The second part, launching him to safety, is not really required to that degree of quality - I'm not asking for a perfect escape, I just wanted ashihara to show them considering, or actually trying, sending him on at least ONE grasshopper.

>>280883317
Not to be a scorpion shill, but Kotarou seems to be suited for it plus grasshopper like Yuma. Once he gets taller and older he way switch back to Kogetsu.
>He has dummy beacon
Actually he should go all in into becoming a stealth assasin with his handgun plus scorpion and dummy beacon

>>280883250
> i.e. not after the match either
Why does it have to be brought up after the match?
Anything of value that could have been said was said
>They could do this buts it's unlikely to work
I don't see what more value could be added here beyond just repeating that same point.
>None of the commentators mentioned getting outside via grasshopper/escudo/etc
Why would they need to?
You're assuming that the border agents aren't considering using triggers at all in the process of getting Osamu out, solely so you can say 'see none of the commentators addressed my idea'.
I don't think that's an oversight I think you're just unhappy with the answer presented to you.

>It's possible that they only get 1 point from azuma squad. Or 0 points too
Sure its possible but the entire point of them not keeping on with their original objective is to try and prevent that.
Which is a much worse situation than Osamu giving up a point.

>they might as well give it a try.
That's still making the same assumption that the 2 aces don't realize what the commentators did in that its already an unlikely outcome.
I'm not gonna take it seriously without a reason to believe they had a decent chance at success.

>there were multiple store length away
They can still see the floor below on the opposite side.
By contrast, the nearest way to exit the mall has them go out the store on the other end, which denies them all sight of the center.

>>280883217
not really, the discussion is
Osamu: "Get me outside! I'll bail out!"
Hyuse: "And how will we do that?"
Osamu: "hyuse, shoot the walls! yuma, grasshopper us!"
since Hyuse wouldn't not realize Yuma's last statement that you provided.
After that's done they have ample time to get him out.

>>280883370
They couldn't send Osamu alone. If you want to make continuous grasshopper towards safety, Yuma has to go with him, halving his grasshopper power (he doesn't have the leeway of using 2 grasshopper, you always need to have 1 hand free when there is a sniper around).
Since they also need someone cutting a wall then they probably need to launch Hyuse too, which would lower the power of grasshopper in 3.
This while Osamu is seconds away from bailing out. From the manga context, the time from Osamu's leg getting shot until he bailed out was like 10 seconds.

>>280883350
>Someone with their full body that uses the trigger
? What do you mean? Yuma sent him flying
>If you set up grasshoppers in a line he is just going to bounce back and forth. And Escudo is a notably somewhat slow Trigger.
No, I mean just set a bunch of them so that he doesn't have to aim. he won't bounce back and forth, the first one he touches will send him out of the group of grasshoppers

>>280883396
You're not arguing with me but rather making a separate point right? Yeah I think Kotarou staying with grasshopper + scorp at his current size and age could be good.

>>280883453
> If you want to make continuous grasshopper towards safety,
You don't need that, I've already stated several times in this thread that the point is that they didn't even try one grasshopper which possibly could have been enough to get him into a bail-out-able area.
>Since they also need someone cutting a wall then they probably need to launch Hyuse too,
Sure, or they could have hyuse shoot the walls with viper imo unless you're like that anon who thinks hyuse's viper can't create a human sized opening easily

>>280883507
What does "human sized" mean to you?

>>280883420
>Why does it have to be brought up after the match?
>Anything of value that could have been said was said
Because if it's not brought up, and since neither of us can read Ashihara's mind, it makes the evidence stack up in favor of Ashihara having made an oversight.
>>They could do this buts it's unlikely to work
>I don't see what more value could be added here beyond just repeating that same point.
You see, in an discussion, if you just repeatedly state your thesis, it lacks credibility because you aren't providing any backing arguments.
>Why would they need to?
It's not about them considering the specific triggers, it's about Arashiyama talking as if he expects the bailout to occur within the mall and no one bringing up the option of bailing out once he is outside the mall.
>Sure its possible but the entire point of them not keeping on with their original objective is to try and prevent that.
>Which is a much worse situation than Osamu giving up a point.
You seem to be caught in a fallacy here.
There are, roughly speaking, two ways to get ahead in their situation. 1. Lower the hurdle via Osamu bailout. 2. Get points via Azuma squad. Yes, if they failed their entire original objective, that would be bad. These are not mutually exclusive, and the entire original objective is not necessarily accomplishable as one piece, as I stated. They might only get one point from 2. so there's no reason to not try to lower the bar with >That's still making the same assumption that the 2 aces don't realize what the commentators did in that its already an unlikely outcome.
>I'm not gonna take it seriously without a reason to believe they had a decent chance at success.
That is only a valid line of reasoning if you already start with the conclusion (which would be fallacious given this argument) that ashihara DIDN'T make an oversight.
> They can still see the floor below on the opposite side.
yeah maybe one floor out of 4. it's a marginally better situation

>>280883457
Oki with perfect coordination needed 2 pads to get on a 3 stories tall building, and he was using the power of his legs to boot.
One grasshopper is not going to cut it, even two won't.

>>280883540
If they can fit Osamu through it, it should be good. Ideally for time's sake, they should make it one he can fit through vertically ofc.

>>280883614
oki chose to grasshopper his way.
clearly it's not the only way.

>>280883614
Furthermore, you're not considering that even one oki hop outside the building COULD have been enough for osamu to bail out (since they didn't know the exact distances to azuma squad). the fact that no one came up with this is what makes it seem like an oversight.

>>280883641
no, if he could have launched himself in one use, he would use it once, no reason not to. Also on the image you posted Kotaro is about 3 meters up. Not 10. Which correlates with Oki's 2 pads needed to cover about 6-8~ meters.

>>280883688
I think this guy just doesn't realize how far 60 meters actually is.

>>280883605
>and no one bringing up the option of bailing out once he is outside the mall.
I don't see that at all from Arashimas statement.
As I see it he is saying that the closed of nature of the mall makes it hard to get Mikumo 60m away.
That still applies if they plan on moving outside the mall, you still need to deal with the closed off nature of the mall.

So again I don't think more needs to be said.
That's enough to cover the situation.

>These are not mutually exclusive
One sacrifices the efficiency of the other.
Yes they aren't mutually exclusive but one worsens your odds of succeeding the more important task.
>That is only a valid line of reasoning if you already start with the conclusion
No?
I already don't see reason to believe its practical to get Osamu out in time from how quickly he bails out.
You're the one making an argument that they could have, you're the one that needs to backup their case.
>t's a marginally better situation
Its a notably better situation because it lets them see if Azuma squad decided to approach them.
Going behind the store removes that completely and opens up the possibility of them finding out Azuma squad jumped up in range with grasshopper.

>>280883317
I can't believe I'm gonna waste brainpower on this but here goes:
If Grasshopper sends someone 10m straight up before coming to a complete stop

using v_f^2 = v_0^2 - 2*g*(y-y_0)
where y = 10m, y_0 = 0m, v_f = 0 m/s, g = 9.8 m/s^2

0 = v_0^2 - (19.6 m/s^2)*(10m - 0m)
v_0 = 14m/s

If you launched someone exactly sideways with that initial velocity to make 60m they would have to be about 90m off the ground to make that distance, or about 25 stories up.

>>280883507
I honestly think they didn't have enough time to quickly think how to carry Osamu to safety. They just ran for less than 10 seconds towards a place free of Sniper eyesight (still radar, but Azuma is not that godly) and as far away as possible from Koala and Okudera. We have seen many agents surviving with a leg and arm gone, but none of them is trionlet like Osamu after all.
As for the strategy to run away, this is viable.
Have Hyuse carry Osamu while Yuma uses grasshopper/2 to move the team quickly, Hyuse cuts the wall of the mall and then Escudo + Grasshopper. No Viper because it can't magically make a perfect hole without visual confirmation and you are annoouncing to Azuma the exact floor where you are hiding.
I don't think they were able to think that much in that short time and even if they could, they wouldn't have made it anyways.
The Kotarou's image is 1 single grasshopper.

>>280883740
Based math anon

>>280883688
>no, if he could have launched himself in one use, he would use it once, no reason not to.
I think having more fine control is a good reason to, but I'm okay with you thinking otherwise.
I think it'd be silly to not be able to change how far grasshopper sends you though.
>Also on the image you posted Kotaro is about 3 meters up. Not 10. Which correlates with Oki's 2 pads needed to cover about 6-8~ meters.
I wouldn't be sure about that.
The first kotaro panel is where he is still flying up. The second one is where he gets shot and he seems pretty high in that one. those pipes and tubes seem pretty high. but it doesn't matter, 3 meters up is pretty good if you're launching someone at 45 degrees from the 3rd floor.
>>280883704
Oh I do, the point is that they only need to be 60 meters away from Azuma squad. They don't need to get him 60m away from the mall.

>>280883740
>>280883766
You completely missed this point. >>280883768
>Oh I do, the point is that they only need to be 60 meters away from Azuma squad. They don't need to get him 60m away from the mall.

>>280883704
well for our dear imperial friends 60 meters is about its 2 20 stories buildings stacked on top of each other or better yet, its more than half of a football field, the american kind.

>>280883746
Thank you for the sensible response anon.
In-world, I think that is a reasonable answer, and I think you made a very strong post.
However, I just want to clarify that my point is more that Ashihara didn't consider Osamu exiting the mall at all. If he had considered that, then even if the trio didn't have time to consider it, the commentators could have brought it up (or osamu could have realized later after the match)

>>280883740
it doesn't launch for 10 meters, it sends for 3 with perfect coordination.

>>280883740
heartily kek'd at your post, the Gatlin pic goes so well with it

>>280883781
You're the one missing the point. Grasshopper simply lacks the required kinetic energy to move Osamu the distance needed for him to bail out. Besides that he's got a fucking missing leg like I said in my initial post

>>280883738
>I don't see that at all from Arashimas statement.
>As I see it he is saying that the closed of nature of the mall makes it hard to get Mikumo 60m away.
Why would that be relevant if Mikumo is outside of the mall? They're already near the edge of the mall.

>One sacrifices the efficiency of the other.
>Yes they aren't mutually exclusive but one worsens your odds of succeeding the more important task.
Just as trying to bail out Osamu somewhat lowers their odds of getting everything they want from azuma, and going straight for Azuma worsens the odds of bailing out Azuma.
The mistake you keep making is assuming azuma's team is the "more important task" when every point they earn there has to be earned with risk and effort just like the osamu bail out.
>You're the one making an argument that they could have, you're the one that needs to backup their case.
you're replying to the wrong thing, I was talking about when you said
"That's still making the same assumption that the 2 aces don't realize what the commentators did in that its already an unlikely outcome."
this is assuming that ashihara has made zero mistakes, 100%. hence, "That is only a valid line of reasoning if you already start with the conclusion"
>Its a notably better situation because it lets them see if Azuma squad decided to approach them.
How would they see that if azuma was already underneath them on a lower floor? They wouldn't know.

>>280883813
I was just evaluating his given numbers to show how ridiculous his premise was

>>280883740
Thank you, Captain Gatlin.

300 posts to argue about Osamu's possible bail out in the mall.

>>280883867
No, you're the one missing the point, completely. Let me make it easier for you. Assume the closest person in Azuma squad is 59 meters away from Osamu. If Osamu literally just jumps out the mall even without a grasshopper, he'll get 60 meters away from them and he'll be able to bail out.


(can you snipe someone mid bailout btw? that's fun)

>>280883909
It is mostly abunch of people trying to tell one autist he is wrong but his autism is too strong so he ignores most of the people.

>>280883909
200 of them by one guy

>>280883839
>>280883906
>>280883899
Except for the fact that just getting Mikumo 1 extra meter away could have made all the difference as stated here >>280883923

>>280883923
>Assume the closest person in Azuma squad is 59 meters away from Osamu.
Why would we assume this at all?

>>280883930
I haven't ignored a single person. I would assume you're the one ignoring people/my points, actually.
>>280883934
Yes
>>280883909
Because this is like the one flaw I have found in World Trigger after reading it many, many times

>>280883923
>>280883949
Oh yeah? Actually everyone in-universe was retarded because Osamu was already 60 meteers away!

>>280883956
It's already been covered throughout the thread, but Tamakoma doesn't know Azuma squad's positions, so their best bet is to spend a minimal amount of effort to at least try to get Osamu away. If it fails it fails, but they don't need to aim for the full 60m away from the mall, that's the point.

>>280883923
>Assume the closest person in Azuma squad is 59 meters away from Osamu.
Why would I do this?

>>280883968
you're starting to lose it and making low-brow posts now.
I don't think everyone in universe is stupid, actually I think they're really smart, which is why I think Ashihara made an oversight.
Also as I have been saying no one on tamakoma knew exactly how far osamu was, which is exactly the point.

>>280883968
this. Osamu didn't even try to bail out didn't he? he was already there, he should have just done it the moment Kuruma went down!

>>280884005
I've been making low-brow posts this whole time actually because I think you're fucking retarded from the first post.

>>280883990
I chose to use the extreme case as an example to make it obvious because most people seem to have completely missed the point that they don't need to get 60m away from the mall/their launch point with grasshopper

>>280884019
Congrats. Maybe one day you'll be able to win the argument too.

>>280883890
>Why would that be relevant if Mikumo is outside of the mall?
Because to get out they need to go through the mall and deal with carrying someone who basically can't move by themselves due to their body breaking apart past those walls (being in the store means they need to break 2 sets of walls to get Osamu out).
On top of actually going 60 meters away from Azuma squad.

>this is assuming that ashihara has made zero mistakes
No this is just taking the natural image the pages give that between realizing he was about to bail out and bailing out there was very little time.
So any image of them somehow sending Osamu far enough needs to contend with it being the unlikely outcome to begin with.

> Azuma's team is the "more important task"
Azuma's team is the more important task.
It's worth significantly more even just convincing them to bailout and it cost significantly more to their progress if they don't manage to take points from them.
>How would they see that if azuma was already underneath them on a lower floor?
Because the fastest way up is via grasshopper through the center that both of Azuma's attackers have?
If Azuma squad came up via the fastest means they'd miss it completely.

Frankly I chalk it up to their rookieness and don't overthink it.

>>280883985
Their minimal amount of effort was running as far as possible.
Grasshopper + Escudo + wall breaking is not something I expect they could do at that moment.
They are in guard because they just finished a battle, Azuma could wall snipe them at any moment, Yuma is leaking trion from his arm and even if they pool all their resources, it was impossible to carry Osamu outside the 60m area.
The smart thing to do was having Hyuse close Osamu's wounds with Escudo.

My take is that putting the effort to grasshopper Osamu and open up a way for him to get outside 60 m couldn't happen as they were being tracked by Azuma squad, >>280881615
, and the effort put into an escape would leave them open to getting sniped by Azuma, because lmao wall snipe.
Man this thread is somehow worse than the Katori vs Jackson thread.

>>280884050
>Because to get out they need to go through the mall and deal with carrying someone who basically can't move by themselves due to their body breaking apart past those walls (being in the store means they need to break 2 sets of walls to get Osamu out).
Yeah, shoot the walls, then grasshopper Osamu's body to through, it's not hard
>No this is just taking the natural image the pages give that between realizing he was about to bail out and bailing out there was very little time.
>So any image of them somehow sending Osamu far enough needs to contend with it being the unlikely outcome to begin with.
We agree that there was little time, you're going back to the same trite fallback again of "not enough time". We know this. We have known this. The point is that it was never brought up by anymore, past present or future that he could leave the mall, they never tried it or considered it.
"image [...] needs to contend with it" yes, that image is not on the pages, which is why i claim that it is ashihara's oversight. because the logic that is not directly on the pages claims otherwise.

>Azuma's team is the more important task.
>It's worth significantly more even just convincing them to bailout and it cost significantly more to their progress if they don't manage to take points from them.

convincing azuma's team to bailout is a herculean task which is why the odds of this and difficulty should be weighed even harder against the 10 seconds of time of getting mikumo outside

>Because the fastest way up is via grasshopper through the center that both of Azuma's attackers have?
>If Azuma squad came up via the fastest means they'd miss it completely.
I'm talking about azuma though. he doesn't need to get all the way up to their floor.

>>280883985
Because there's no reason to do that. The amount of distance Grasshopper can move Osamu simply isn't enough to matter in the grand scheme of things

>>280884094
Escudo doesn't have the same properties as scorpion so I doubt it would work, but I kinda want it to. Osamu would look hilarious with 2 escudo's for limbs

Imagine if the bombing had actually worked. If you're Ninomiya, what do you do at that point? Just bail out?

>>280884113
>Man this thread is somehow worse than the Katori vs Jackson thread.
Not after we'll get to Volume 28

>>280884063
That's completely fine and way more reasonable than all the other anons arguing for your side.
>>280884094
Closing Osamu's wounds with maybe scorpion could be cool yeah.
Instead of running as far as possible, if they grasshoppered as far as possible, it could have opened the possibilities for them to break the walls and escape though.
>>280884113
As another anon arguing against me put it, I don't think Azuma could wall snipe a moving target on a map he didn't choose with his team, but fair enough

>>280884133
No, it could work, is not making artificial limbs, is plugging his wounds with Escudo like how he made an Escudo from Kou's body.

>>280884139
first you shit yourself, then you become dust as Konami warned.

>>280884130
>The amount of distance Grasshopper can move Osamu simply isn't enough to matter in the grand scheme of things
Source: literally your anal sphincter
they were a pretty decent distance away from azuma squad. it's entirely possible that they could have had a chance. anyway the point is that it's never brought up by ashihara via any of the characters.

>>280883985
Only Azuma had a bagworm on after the ema snipe, Koala and Okudera can be seen on the radar.

>>280884174
Thinking of them as rookies is actually far less reasonable. Kugar and Hudson are both war vets that have been fighting for years.

>>280884177
yeah yeah I understood that, its just Osamu's wounds where his arm & his leg, so plugging those would give him escudo for a leg & arm.

>>280884118
>Yeah, shoot the walls
All of that takes time that again they don't have because Osamu is about to bail out.
I see no reason to think otherwise.
>The point is that it was never brought up by anymore, past present or future that he could leave the mall
It doesn't need to be brought up.
Arashimaya words are enough to explain the situation even if you consider exiting the mall.
In fact I'd say exiting the mall is practically a prerequisite as you couldn't stay in the mall and be 60 meters away.

>convincing azuma's team to bailout is a herculean task
And one they need to do for the survival points anyway.
> he doesn't need to get all the way up to their floor.
Ok?
That does nothing to address my point which was about Azuma squad.

>>280884198
Gotcha, then they should know that it could be worth making the bet, since they seem numerous buildings away.
>>280884205
I can see your point too.
My point is just that it's a less bad argument than the other ones I've been getting.

>>280884205
With bailout in tournaments?

>>280872358
Hell yeah, go Hyuse. I'm starting to warm up to him.

>>280884221
With decisive decision making.

>>280884174
Zero possibilites of bailing out, even if they thought about using Grasshopper to launch Osamu.
>>280884196
The distance between Osamu and Azuma's kids was very short and even if they somehow maange to take Osamu out of the mall, the distance between 4f and 1f is less than 60 meters.
It was just plain impossible.

>>280884241
With tools and rules that are new to them.

>>280884196
>they were a pretty decent distance away from azuma squad. it's entirely possible that they could have had a chance. anyway the point is that it's never brought up by ashihara via any of the characters.
A building story varies from structure to structure but generally it's about 3.5m from floor to floor. If the entirety of Azuma squad were on the bottom floor of the mall that's still only 21m of vertical distance, and Osamu KNOWS they aren't because he encountered them before making his ways upstairs. Even using your rather generous initial velocity estimate of 14 m/s Grasshopper will simply not send Osamu a meaningful distance, especially for the trade-off of revealing their position to Azuma squad

>>280884260
>the distance between 4f and 1f is less than 60 meters.
And jumping out would make him closer to Azuma squad in the lower floors lmao

>>280884196
my guy Osamu is maximum 10 meters away from Koala & Okudera.

>>280884196
do you know how far 60 meters is bro
its a pretty big ways

>>280884230
I'm ambivalent about him joining T-2, but I like him as character. And him being the one to have the balls to finally call Chika out is one of the main reasons. The other is his friendship with Yotaro.

>>280884218
>numerous buildings away
You are vastly overestimating how far Azuma squad was from Osamu, they are all incredibly close. And Azuma squad was said to be tracking Osamu. The entire Mall seems to be within 60 meters of one of Azuma squad from how they were placed. And Mikumo would not last long enough for them to break him out and get him out of range.

>>280884209
>All of that takes time that again they don't have because Osamu is about to bail out.
Time they would have had if they had thought about trying to get osamu OUTSIDE the building earlier, which again was absent from every character's heads in the story due to ashihara's oversight.
>It doesn't need to be brought up.
>Arashimaya words are enough to explain the situation even if you consider exiting the mall.
>In fact I'd say exiting the mall is practically a prerequisite as you couldn't stay in the mall and be 60 meters away.
No his words are more specific. In the english TL you add periods here and there but the japanese basically had him string the whole thing together, he's talking about the 60m condition within the mall, imo. even if we discard the language specificities, it simply doesn't make sense. arashiyama can see their positions and tamakoma is close to the wall. from his perspective, the "mall being cramped" is irrelevant.

>And one they need to do for the survival points anyway.
Yes that's the point. The point is that the survival points are a gamble that may or may not come to fruition - and yet you are talking as if you have the foreknowledge that they will definitely get it. It's possible that they chose to go for azuma directly, then got zero points from azuma squad. that would be worse than getting osamu to bail out and then failing to get anything from azuma squad. you're missing the full picture.

>Ok?
>That does nothing to address my point which was about Azuma squad.
they couldn't see if azuma squad's attackers got up when they were in the stores anyway so what's your point? they could have already gone up by that time. if they really wanted to follow your plan of "surveil for azuma squad" , tamakoma could have stayed near the hole of the mall the whole time, but they didn't until osamu bailed out. that is the key here, it depended on osamu's state.

>>280884308
Americans usually don't know how far 60m is.
I don't know how far 360 feet is. I just wing it to 100 meters or something.

>>280884260
>Zero possibilites of bailing out, even if they thought about using Grasshopper to launch Osamu.
That's a nice statement, but where is your justification?
>The distance between Osamu and Azuma's kids was very short and even if they somehow maange to take Osamu out of the mall, the distance between 4f and 1f is less than 60 meters.
does picrel distance look short to you?
>>280884294
he could bail out midair too, and not really in this pic they're on 5F so 1F would be farther distance wise than being on 6F

>>280884345
How long do you think they were inside the store?
Osamu bailed out as soon as they entered.

>>280884307
If they're 10m away then each shop in the mall is like 2-3 meters in width.

>>280872520
>>280872539
I see where she's coming from, but it's still weird to me. Having a trion monster on my side, that's one of the most reliable thing next to a Black Trigger. Who the hell cares that much about rank war, there are already cheaters with broken skillset anyways. What's most important is preventing people from getting kidnapped by neighbors. I'll probably join Shinoda's faction if I'm in border, won't I?

>>280884349
the only reason i think this guy might not be trolling is because his argument absolutely could be made in good faith by someone not understanding the distances involved

>>280884293
Why are you only considering vertical distance when there's also horizontal distance?

>>280884373
yes, its a short distance. kids are right under them, no more than 10 meters. have you never been outside in your entire life? in fact this image alone proves that it was impossible to save Osamu by launching him.
The only way out was for Kuga to princess carry him all the way but Kuga only had one arm himself. Hyuse doesn't cut it as no grasshopper.

>>280884349
>Americans usually don't know how far 60m is.
I just think of it as yards. It's a bit further, but it's close enough to get the idea.

>>280884308
100mx200m malls are pretty common.
compare that to the mall's layout.

It's been a pleasure lads, hopefully I'll at least be able to lurk.

>>280884349
>>280884393
>>280884448
see this: >>280884449

>>280884381
they took time getting inside and if you don't count talking as as free action or even if you consider them talking at 4x speed they talked for quite a long time

>>280884384
yeah that is about right, look at the image, layout is very cramped.

>>280884430
>it's a short distance
>kids are right under them

>>280884463
Just go to Ireland lol

>>280884345
>OUTSIDE the building earlier
There's no reason to think about this until he was about to bail out.
It wasn't clear he was going to bail out until literally seconds before he did.
> arashiyama can see their positions and tamakoma is close to the wall
And they are close to Azuma too, they need to make like 50 meters of distance on Osamu to reach a point to bail out.
That's assuming they even know which direction is the best to throw him in.
>so what's your point?
That they are taking a risk of putting themselves at a bad disadvantage where they are giving away their positions by breaking down walls while Azuma squad could have stealthed near them.
>It's possible that they chose to go for azuma directly, then got zero points from azuma squad
Sure its possible but that's exactly why they need to go for it as much as possible.
If they get 0 points from the rest of the match, they are in a horrible spot regardless of Osamu bailing out or not.

>Arguing about this for 5 hours

>>280884463
Don't tell me you're dying right before round 8 ends

>>280884492
>>280884430
whoops uploaded the wrong image
>yes, its a short distance. kids are right under them
no they're not

>>280884463
Oh fuck I forgot about that
Well its been good

>>280884463
rip use a vpn

>>280884538
Can't post on here with a vpn active

>>280786916
I like to imagine viper basically works on spatial coordinates relative to your position, so to use it on the fly you have to essentially think out "move at a 27 degree angle for 7 meters at velocity 7 and then rotate by 97 degrees before moving for 3 meters" and if you misjudge the angles or distances a bit you miss horribly. Nasu meanwhile is the equivalent of one of those savants that can do stuff like perfectly calculating what date of the week it was on the 7th of January 1543 off the top of their head and so can easily do viper stuff on the fly.

>>280884486
idk if this is a repost, but you really think the restaurant (probably one of the small stores in the mall) these guys fought in is 2-3m??

>>280884513
oh so now you want to be pinpoint precise? kek. but this doesn't change my words and just shows you don't understand the distance one bit. they are still only 10~ meters away. if they were right under they'd be 3~ meters away.

I think the autist is overestimating Osamu's ability to maneuver on a Grasshopper with one leg in the first place. He can barely use a Thruster, there's no way he doesn't fly face first in the wrong direction.

>>280884513
The vertical and horizontal distance in that map are not equal.
Each floor in a mall is around 3 meters. 4 meter for big malls.
In this batlte, the diagonal distance of the mall is less than 60 meters.
>>280884463
What happened to uk?

>>280884587
It's not even about being pinpoint precise, you're just wrong when you say they're right underneath. They're 1/3-1/2 of the length of the mall away. I don't know how you think you can be taken seriously when you say they're right under.

And no, you're the one that doesn't understand the distance. If they're 10 meters away, then as I said, the stores would be like 2m in width which is not possible, see >>280884581

>>280884403
>>280884513
Here's some more math for you my friend
If that vertical height is 3.5m, then to make that hypotenuse (aka the total distance) 60m they would have to be 59.89m away horizontally, or basically almost out of range regardless.
So I will restate my point: Tamakoma simply did not have the means to move Osamu a meaningful distance with his missing leg

>>280884513
This image makes it worse. They were previously on top of the kids, and in that time with a hopping-with-one-leg Osamu, that's the distance they cover? The mall doesn't seem that big at all now.

>>280884389
It's not really about rank wars. She's been judging and blaming herself and her unique nature ever since her friend was kidnapped. To her it's a negative thing. And she's essentially projecting that onto everyone else, assuming they'll feel towards her how she feels towards herself.

>>280884501
>There's no reason to think about this until he was about to bail out.
I already stated several things regarding this earlier
Usami should be able to see how bad his leakage rate is and warn them earlier,
osamu being a trionlet etc, they should have come up with it
but in any case, that doesn't matter because the point is, again, that no one, not even the commentators brought up exiting the building
>And they are close to Azuma too, they need to make like 50 meters of distance on Osamu to reach a point to bail out.
As stated a bit above, they are not a mere 10m away
>That they are taking a risk of putting themselves at a bad disadvantage where they are giving away their positions by breaking down walls while Azuma squad could have stealthed near them.
they're already giving away their positions since they don't have bagworm on
>Sure its possible but that's exactly why they need to go for it as much as possible.
same thing for osamu's bailout
>If they get 0 points from the rest of the match, they are in a horrible spot regardless of Osamu bailing out or not.
Here it is again, with people thinking azuma's points are an all or nothing. The time they lost getting osamu out (10 seconds) might have lost them 1 point with azuma, or 0 points, or all of them. you can't just compare it to 'if they get 0 points from the rest of the match'.

>>280884463
We'll be fine.

>>280884504
>Arguing about this for 5 hours
This question has been burning inside me for years

>>280884463
Why does 4chan have to block UK IPs?
4chan isn't operating out of the UK, so shouldn't the responsibility fall onto the country banning access? And if 4chan has not UK users, why should they care about appeasing the UK?
If Russia banned 4chan, there would be no 4chan ban on Russian IPs.

Seems fishy.

>>280884573
I'd imagine Nasu is the kind of Savant who sees everything on an xyz scale relative to her.

>>280884139
Ninomiya isn't as good as Izumi, but he's a good shooter. He can probably shoot down all of Chika's Meteors with Hound. You don't need power to set off a Meteor, so go full speed and range.

So if I was Ninomiya I'd just go for a bullrush. Ignore Osamu, head to Yuma + Chika, use one hand to block Chika's shooting and harass her, and fight Yuma with the other hand. Have Tsuji handle defence. Would it work? No, probably not, but it'd be fun.

>>280884688
>Usami should be able to see how bad his leakage rate is and warn them earlier,
HE GOT HIS FUCKING LEG BLOWN OFF

>>280884663
Hi friend
I never said the hypotenuse has to be 60m
Your point doesn't really have any detriment towards my argument.
>>280884672
Your angle of argumentation is retarded, it's not about the distance they cover (also they're in trion bodies so they can outperformed normal humans). It's about how big the mall is considering that a 2m-wide store is ridiculous.

>>280873283
He's going to bring him some sweets next time, I bet.

>>280884726
Yes, this has been stated multiple times, and I've already said that that's irrelevant, or rather, that's EXACTLY why they should try to get him outside the mall using other means besides his base movement (his legs)

>>280884581
restaurant is one of the largest areas since you can actually see the layouts on the map and its still barely 5 meters wide if that. do you have a ruler? get it out, measure it out and look how fucking much a meter is

>>280884735
The bailout distance is 60m dude

>>280884688
>Usami should be able to see how bad his leakage rate is and warn them earlier,
And like I said, they already know the trion leak is bad.
But no one not even Usami can predict if it will cause a bailout until it reaches that point because the could always seal up the leak in time.
>not even the commentators brought up exiting the building
Again leaving the building is practically a prereq to being 60 meters away.
There's no need to explicitly bring it up.
>they are not a mere 10m away
They aren't far from being 10 meters.
Like others pointed out that distance was all covered in the short time between Osamu being shot and now.
>same thing for osamu's bailout
No its not as critical, it can help but its unlikely enough to occur they're better off just improving their odds at the more important objective.

>>280873324
Damn, he's a lot more likeable than that brooding Nino.

Anyway, I've spent a ridiculous amount of time here, so I'm out.
To make a general summary, I don't think anyone has come around to points from the other side. Speaking subjectively and with bias, I think I have been able to fend off any arguments.
Honestly, I'm surprised that any arguments showed up in the first place. But in any case, it was nice to see that one anon noticed something similar, and another anon pointed out a few strange things in this ROUND, some of which I agree with, and some other anons were able to take more of a "middle" approach.
I do think that most people I was arguing with were making invalid arguments left and right though, but you can be the judge of that.

>>280884617
>What happened to uk?
It passed a censorship law that's going into effect. 4chan opted to simply block the UK rather than deal with the hassle of the UK attempting to enforce its laws.

>>280884735
And the argument is that their distance to each other was not big enough. Enough that they didn't bother about getting Osamu out. That's it.

>>280884760
I'm looking for it now, can you spoonfeed it? Gonna have to head out soon though
>>280884763
Yes, but I never said their starting distance (the hypotenuse) has to be 60m, that would defeat the purpose of trying to get osamu outside the building, which is what i have been arguing for a LONG time now
Please, please use your brain

This series is fun as FUCK how the hell have I never heard of it before

>>280873425
That's a girl, right? Tell me it's a girl. Please, I need my brown girl sex.

>>280884799
lmao you fucking faggot.
you gobbled cock for 350 posts without knowing how much distance a meter is and the moment people start pointing it out you run. literally apply yourself to the closest wall until you reach permanent enlightenment

>>280884799

>>280884716
I doubt she'd keep meteoring. I think she'd switch to hound against Ninomiya.
But having thought about it, I do think you're right that he'd try it. To go from not even sure she can shoot to wiping out two teams, he'd be super excited to shoot it out with her.

>>280884853
You haven't won the argument sadly

>>280884833
Because it's not for normies. It's only popular in Japan and autists like us who are spending hours discussing about Osamu's mall escape.

>>280884827
Grasshopper wouldn't move him far enough to matter

>>280884853
Not only did he not understand how long a meter was, he definitely doesn't understand how long a second lasts considering how much time he though Osamu had.

>>280884799
Congratulations, this whole argument was pointless because everyone has different ideas how far 60 meters is.
Also, you missed a point >>280884616

>>280884833
>garbage anime
>shit scans in the beginning
>2 year hiatus leading to transfer to a magazine no one on /a/ cares about
Pick your poison

>>280884799
>and another anon pointed out a few strange things in this ROUND
If you mean >>280878542
Most of that is baseless
>1st
He didn't die to an attack from 6 months ago.
He died to a leak from an attack Hyuse gave but it didn't cause as much trion loss as the attack that almost cut him in half.
>2nd
Osamu has been like that for a while, its no surprise he can't instantly secure a kill
>3rd
Quick reloading isn't an issue, if there's an actual issue its Azuma squad waiting for the second shot to attack
>4th
being discussed
>5th
It's all about concentrating shots vs dispersing them, Hyuse didn't concentrate any of his shots.
Nor should he have because that wouldn't have worked on either Ko with his raygust or Kage who can tell if its concentrated or not by his side effect.

>>280884870
Though the sheer popularity in japan implies that normies in japan like it a lot.

>>280884834
Anon... You're in luck...

>>280884760
okay I think I found it.
i'd say it's roughly one of these corner stores right? or is it on the other side of the map? anyway, yes those are bigger than the smaller buildings, but if you look at an actual pic of it, there's no way that is only 5m.

>>280873512
AAAHHH, BROWN GIRL SEX! I'M STARTING TO GET SOME WITHDRAWAL FROM THE LACK OF BROWN GIRL BEFORE! BEST MANGA EVER!

>>280884789
I really like Nino. A chuuni brooding fightfag trying to act cool and serious is fun.

>>280884931
She is Yuma's replacement brown tomboy.

>>280884868
because you are not arguing in good faith, you dismiss everything others say to continue to push your agenda, the only way to win an argument against you is to physically bash you with a stick to the point you accept it or expire. under these conditions an honest discussion is impossible, only empty babbling.
but this is not why I am laughing, I am laughing because you actually and unironically don't know what a meter is.

>>280884931
That's Yuma's fetish by the way.
Just look at his childhood friend who was also a tomboy so she bullied him for a long time for mistaking her sex.

>>280884780
ok nvm i'm back
>because the could always seal up the leak in time.
what do you mean by this?
>Again leaving the building is practically a prereq to being 60 meters away.
>There's no need to explicitly bring it up.
so then what is the explicit need in bringing up getting 60m away at the same time as bringing up how cramped the mall is if it's clear that they'd have to escape, and they're near the outer wall of the mall anyway?
>They aren't far from being 10 meters.
In that case, again, the stores would have to be like 2-3m wide which is not possible.
>No its not as critical, it can help but its unlikely enough to occur they're better off just improving their odds at the more important objective.
Getting azuma squad to bail out is also extremely unlikely, it's happened once in the entire season

>>280884929
No restaurant is the right corner store the single biggest box on the map.
Page 10 of 170 shows this.

>>280873705
>>280873732
What the fuck was that? Hidden mantis?

>>280884819
>And the argument is that their distance to each other was not big enough. Enough that they didn't bother about getting Osamu out. That's it.
If that's true, then it would be strange that arashiyama noted this as an option, after mikumo's face cracked.

>>280884929
>Room layout is a box with the door on a diagonal wall instead of a corner.
>Ignores all the larger rooms that actually fit the layout of the restaurant.

It's probably one of the top right rooms on the upper floor considering where the battle took place.

>>280884984
Why are you back when you clearly won

>>280884929
5 to 6 give or take, also the boxes you painted in red are not the restaurant. lmao find the restaurant chump, its the largest thing on that map

>>280884998
It was a combination between mole claw and mantis.
Scorpion is the strongest trigger made by Border and it was a joint effort between the cheating future seer and a Canadian.

>>280884998
Mantis via moleclaw. We are now at multilayer scorpion hax.

>>280884902
Where did I not understand how long a meter was?
Where did I not understand how long a second was? Be specific.
>>280884969
I argued in good faith and honestly. I couldn't say the same for pretty much everyone I was arguing with, however, which is sadly typical of /a/.
>the only way to win an argument against you is to physically bash you with a stick to the point you accept it or expire.
interesting, that's exactly how i feel about like the 5 anons i'm arguing with right now.
have you considered that?
>don't know what a meter is.
give a specific example of this being the case.
>>280884853
>without knowing how much distance a meter
specific example

>>280884984
>what do you mean by this?
Trion bodies self 'heal' and cover up their leaks.
You can see this happen to Yuma in the middle of his fight versus Kage.
He starts leaking when Kage cut his hand off and stopped when Zoe got trapped.
If Osamu's body had self healed in time he would have been fine.
But that's hard to predict.

>Getting azuma squad to bail out is also extremely unlikely
Its even more unlikely though because Azuma is known to be in the building.
Tamakoma can force him into the open with Chika.
Azuma managed to hide very well to prevent himself from being taken out but Tamakoma has a fair shot at this point in time.

>>280884833
It's a little slow and autistic and the first season of the anime wasn't great as an adaption, so I guess the west overlooked it
Not that I mind

>>280884919
Japanese normies are weirdos for us.

>>280884710
Blocking UK IPs is simply the easiest way to keep the UK government from harassing them over it. Russia and other dictatorships typically don't have the same means to harass 4chan over it.

>>280885033
>give a specific example of this being the case.
>specific example
oh god I'm about to piss myself, please go on

>>280873839
No time for Yuma to react, pretty impressive. So try to kite his ass in battle, I suppose.

>>280884874
Okay then, once he's outside, he could try hopping a bit on his own. The point is that they didn't even consider getting him outside.
>>280884908
No, the people arguing with me didn't understand the concept of differentiating what happens in the story to how the author writes a story, and that's what made a lot of a repetitive.
>>280884616
He doesn't have to maneuver. Yuma can just put it under his Osamu's bum.

>>280885039
Also Osamu. He is a very atypical MC.

>>280885069
>No, the people arguing with me didn't understand the concept of differentiating what happens in the story to how the author writes a story, and that's what made a lot of a repetitive.
>its not that I don't what a meters is
>ITS WRITER FAULT
>ITS THE PEOPLE WHO ARE WRONG
ahahahhahahahahhaha

>>280884513
One floor of a mall is about 3 meters, so Osamu is maybe 15 to 20 meters away at the moment. They'd need to get to the wall, smash it and launch him like a fucking rocket to get another 40 meters in a few seconds.

>>280884914
I don't care about those things in particular, moreso about the 4th point
>>280885015
>>280885006
>>280884994
are you talking about this panel?
can you spoonfeed more? how did you tell it's the top right? thanks.

>>280885004
He noted it as an option *if* he can make it 60m then he literally says right after that it's gonna be difficult in a cramped mall. And if the mall is that cramped (small), sending him outside wouldn't make a difference because Osamu still needs travel much further.

>>280885069
>just put it under his Osamu's bum
And he'll fall flat on his face. Azuma's team will see him trying to run and easily catch up considering he has one leg.

>>280885015
Also I still don't buy the 5-6m. assuming these tables are like 66cm long (which is pretty awkward still when sitting across from someone, that's still at least 8m in width

>>280885122
Look at the shape of the room Kage is near.
A square with its edge cut out and a circle in the missing edge.
That is exactly the same shape as in the bottom right of the top floor in >>280884513

>>280885122
because there is a very distinct circle in the square, you can only find one like that on the open are in the right, its facing inwards

>>280885033
>Where did I not understand how long a meter was?
>Where did I not understand how long a second was? Be specific.

No, you are autistic. There is no specific show of time or distance. Everything must be assumed. We know the time for Mikumo to bail out was as long as it took him to get into a store. We know the distances between him and Azuma squad can only be measured in relative terms of the mall itself. This is why your argument fails on the same level as your dissenters. You have no absolute way of proving that Osamu had the time and distance to attempt to escape. In fact I invite you to prove that Osamu can make it to 60 meters past AZuma squad in the time it took him to stagger into a room.
>but he could have tried to escape
That would be a waste of effort. Unless you can prove without a shadow of a doubt he ha the time and movement ability to escape with certainty.

the autism hasn't reached its peak yet, someone needs to run a computer simulation of Osamu trying to bail out from the mall

>>280885165
Born killer.

>>280885122
Look at the wall the door is on. It is at a 45 degree angle to the walls next to it. It's also a fifth wall. Therefore the room has to be one of the 5 walled rooms with a diagonal entrance.

>>280885037
>Trion bodies self 'heal' and cover up their leaks.
>You can see this happen to Yuma in the middle of his fight versus Kage.
>He starts leaking when Kage cut his hand off and stopped when Zoe got trapped.
>If Osamu's body had self healed in time he would have been fine.
>But that's hard to predict.
That's interesting and the visuals show that you're right, but just curious if this has even been stated by the author in or outside the manga.
Still, I'm pretty sure it should be possible to see that Osamu's leakage is continuing and that he's running out of trion from Usami's side.
>Its even more unlikely though because Azuma is known to be in the building.
>Tamakoma can force him into the open with Chika.
>Azuma managed to hide very well to prevent himself from being taken out but Tamakoma has a fair shot at this point in time.
right, tamakoma shot with chika... after osamu bailed out... which means if they spent the time up to him bailing out trying to get him out of the map, it would have been the same thing in terms of when chika shot.

>>280874411
I wonder if Yuma's side effect triggered off panel.

I honestly think that T-2 didn't think about using Grasshopper + Escudo hax to take Osamu to safety and even if they could, there wasn't enough time anyways so is a moot point.

>>280885187
no no, we already know that Osamu only needed to move one meter from the mall and it was done, hell he should have bailouted on the spot since 60 meters isn't a real distance but rather a metaphysical concept.
if he believes he is 60 meters away he can bail out

>>280885125
However, it's still strange that Arashiyama would mention it as an actual option, and that the mall being cramped makes it hard-ER, because if he can get outside it shouldn't be any harder just because the mall inside is cramped, and they were already close to the edge.

>>280885225
Maybe it half triggered like the time with Enedorad.

>>280885063
Yeah, yeah, the typical /a/ "kekkk get triggered", whatever makes you feel better.
Do share a specific example if you can though.

>>280885248
Getting outside the mall is hard enough.

/a/ - Architecture & Measurements

>>280874508
>Jackson for Wakamura
Where the hell did that come from?

>>280885107
>all caps
>ahahahhahahahahhaha
Wow, you are absolutely losing it. I made 2 separate points there, one that people are assuming things that happen in a story have to make sense because they "actually happened in the story", without considering that the author that writes it is human. And 2, that I'd like a specific example of me getting meters wrong. go ahead, please teach me where i went wrong.

>>280885248
It's not strange when he's a fucking commentator and is being recorded and the record is meant to be reviewed by people who are most likely not trionlets and have the opportunity to do get away.

>>280885260
sure, you said Kotaro was launched 10 meters upwards, when it was barely 3

>>280885225
I don't think so. In that moment she genuinely believes she will be able to shoot. He even says "if she thinks she can shoot now". So he understands that what she thinks she can do and what she'll actually be able to do in the moment aren't necessarily the same. But someone being wrong about that isn't a lie.

>>280885278
若村　= Wakamura.
若 = Waka = Jaku.
村 = Mura = Sou.
JakuSou
Jackson.

>>280885117
There's also the fact that the azuma kids are on 5F and once osamu gets down he'll be on 1F. I also think Osamu is farther away than azumapupils than 15-20m, but regardless, once he gets out, he has a chance. the fact that it's not considered in the manga is why i found it strange.

>>280885278
https://jisho.org/search/%E8%8B%A5%20%23kanji
https://jisho.org/search/%E6%9D%91%20%23kanji

>>280885301
He can't run 40 meters under a second.

>>280885135
How will his team see him when they're inside and he's outside and has a bagworm on?

>>280885218
> but just curious if this has even been stated by the author in or outside the manga.
Pretty sure it has, though I can't recall exactly where.
But it is a consistent point that keeps being emphasized, you see similar things in other battles.
> that Osamu's leakage is continuing
Yes but its not easy to tell if its going to run out or not in time.
Usami only informs then when she knows its not going to make it.
>it would have been the same thing in terms of when chika shot.
It wouldn't have been though, they still need to make their way back to the vantage point after getting Osamu past the 60 meter distance which could easily involve having to carry him outside the mall instead of just a single grasshopper.
That's still sacrificing time for them to act.

>>280885300
>Sou

>>280874640
I chuckled at the suit. Usami's not holding back.

>>280885278
Apparently Japanese language fuckery like how people call Karasuma Torimaru. All of his nicknames for Katori squad are Western sounding. But for Wakamura he had to use a wrong reading of his name to make it work.

>>280885326
My mistake.
Son.

>>280885165
Uh oh Ema, it seems Kuga is beating you for the Chikabowl.

>>280885320
If you think that Osamu has the Trion is sustain a Bagworm, it's simply not worth arguing to you.

>>280885333
Torimaru is not an alternate reading of Karasuma.
It's Tachikawa being an illiterate retard.

>>280885334
Yes, father?

>>280885320
>Bagworm on
>When trying to save himself from trion loss for as long as possible to make it out in time
Osamu either keeps bagworm on and dies like he did to prevent their exact location being given away.
Or he takes it off to try and survive and gives their location away.

>>280885333
烏丸　= Karasuma.
鳥丸 = Torimaru.
Look at the difference of the first kanji.

>>280885310
I hope one day the IEEE, ISO or whoever the fuck sets the standards for URLs get their shit together and allow us to type in foreign characters. I'm tired of all these weird-ass stringsl

>>280885348
School Rumble had the same gag where Harima read that series' Karasuma's name like that

>>280874799
>>280874824
Oh shit, it's the logical or animalistic thingy?

>>280885156
>>280885164
Okay, that's not as bad as I thought then. If the shorter side of the restaurant is 8m, osamu is probably 40-50+m away strictly horizontally from there, and I'm still being conservative with the guess.

>>280885345
Kuga already has his eyes set on the brown tomboy

>>280885278
Wakamura is written 若村 (waka and mura, obviously). However, you can also read 若 as jaku and 村 as son, so wakamura becomes jakuson. (If you want to be really technical, Oji swapped kunyomi (Japanese readings) with onyomi (Chinese reading)).

It's the same thing that turned Karasuma into Torimaru.

>>280885183
>There is no specific show of time or distance
My initial claim had nothing to do with specific times and distances.
>This is why your argument fails on the same level as your dissenters
It doesn't, I've only mentioned those specifics when shooting down arguments from others on a common sense basis.
>In fact I invite you to prove that Osamu can make it to 60 meters past AZuma squad in the time it took him to stagger into a room.
Why would I prove that? The idea is that there is the possibility for him to get out of the mall and bail out.
>That would be a waste of effort. Unless you can prove without a shadow of a doubt he ha the time and movement ability to escape with certainty.
Nothing is a certainty, not getting points from azuma either. how are you not getting this.

>>280885301
Because it wasn't an option given the circumstances, its like what if Osamu used a teleporter. same shit, not happening because he doesn't have it. They didn't even think about because it wasn't possible. Azuma is missing from the radar, two kids downstairs, the only way to make it in time it for Yuma to princess carry Osamu all the way out. Not happening. One point lost to Kage is worth less than killing Azuma squad & surviving and Kuga only has one arm. Carrying Osamu all the way would require him to be in extreme danger, and he still only has one arm. It would be an extreme acrobatic feat. Not to mention that Azuma's kids would just pursue. Putting Kuga at risk of sniper fire is not worth denying Kage a point.

>>280885209
thanks, see my post above replying to the others
>>280885231
Why are you babbling like a mentally ill preschooler? Is this what /a/ refers to as mind broken?

>>280885345
Chika can't do this >>280873732
Yuma has no interest.

>>280885348
The only thing he studies is the blade.

>>280885228
Again, I think your point of view - the simpler approach compared to others arguing your side - is valid and I could accept it. What I do find strange is Arashiyama's wording, no one bringing up going outside, etc.

>>280885437
>Arashiyama's wording,
See >>280885282

>>280885348
Makes you wander what would be of Tachikawa's life if Border didn't existed

>>280885292
I was thinking he was probably AT LEAST 3 stories up and in this very vertical industrial map, 3 meters a floor is considerable - not to mention that he could be more than 3 stories up, since in panel 2 here, the buildings behind him seem to be taller than the first one we see with the "SWISH", and he is continuing to rise from the left panel to the right.
What is your evidence that he is barely 3 meters up?

>>280885376
please stop you are killing me. so you are saying that the red line is 40-50 meters? I'm not even going to correct your false assumption that restaurant is 8, its not, its irrelevant to the absolute clowning at hand.
you assume that the whole restaurant area is 8 meters. and based on that assumption the red line is 40-50 meters, right? am I getting you correctly?

>>280885348
>>280885364
Now I get that part from the Q&A about him not trying to say Taichi's surname. I somehow never realized he was that retarded.

>>280885473
>What is your evidence
its self evident

>>280885282
>>280885459
That seems like a strange line of logic. If there are other trionlets watching, they might learn better if arashiyama were to explain the situation specifically as opposed to altering the situation for a hypothetic team with better trioni.

>>280885481
>Betsuyaku means different role
What on earth is Ashihara cooking for this guy?

>>280885317
There's also the grasshopper launch from the 6th floor. That's an easy 20+ meters if you launch at 45 degrees with a grasshopper that can only go vertically up 3 meters (which seems like a HUGE underestimate given my above point on kotarou)

>almost entire thread dedicated to this
So, how bout that sick scorpion trick?
And Yuba's pretty cool too, right?

>>280885402
Since you can't prove that there is a possibility for Osamu to escape using any solid evidence, you're argument is now invalid. If you want to show Osamu can escape please show how he can move the distance needed in the time he had left. And please be specific.

>>280875486
>>280875528
>>280875561
Kek, the most based squad.

>>280885519
He will be Border's first Yomi.

>>280874007
Kek'd

>>280885532
thankfully we managed to have fun in the dump thread. yes Yuba is the biggest man around and scorpion is about as fair as taxes.

>>280878277 (OP)
>>280872277 #
From here to
>>280872692 #
Here

These are the best written pages in the whole series, the reason never was "scared uwu kitty" it was pure "selfishness" of personal preservation. This is an extremely excellent way of written a female character, because that is what "toxic femininity" is.

>>280885508
You should get better reading comprehension. There is no "hypothetic team" with better trion because literally every other combatant has better trion. There is no need to instruct trionlets because they are likely operators or engineers.

>>280872721
Jackson bros
The strongest neighbor has acknowledged us!

>>280885321
>Pretty sure it has, though I can't recall exactly where.
That's okay
>But it is a consistent point that keeps being emphasized, you see similar things in other battles.
Okay, I believe you on this one.
>Yes but its not easy to tell if its going to run out or not in time.
>Usami only informs then when she knows its not going to make it
This is something I still find absurd from a logical standpoint, because if he is seconds away from bailing out, he should barely have enough trion to DO anything, even IF he is still "alive". spiders, asteroids, they all use trion. there's not really much point to keeping him around, right? even if his wounds heal he has almost nothing left.
>they still need to make their way back to the vantage point
>That's still sacrificing time for them to act.

Yeah, an additional 10 seconds they would lose. I don't think that's enough to make them discard the idea of getting osamu out if they had thought of it though
>getting Osamu past the 60 meter distance which could easily involve having to carry him
i already stated that they don't need to carry him, just giving him an initial boost is enough time spent on him

>>280885346
?? He kept it on until he bailed out from trion leakage is my point. He could turn it off for more time yeah but we're discussing assuming the same time frame as if he kept it on.

>>280885359
>Osamu either keeps bagworm on and dies like he did
Or they come up with the idea earlier, and they start the plan quicker
>to prevent their exact location being given away.
Yuma and Hyuse didn't have bagworm on though right?
>Or he takes it off to try and survive and gives their location away.
Yeah he could do that too. I don't see the problem.

>>280876141
>>280876176
Fucking artillery.

>>280885475
>the whole restaurant area is
Are you illiterate?
I said that the "shorter side of the restaurant is 8m". Why would you translate "shorter side" to "whole area"?
Anyway, ignoring your retardation, if the green line is 8m, what is wrong with saying that the red line is 40-50m? do you know how multiplication works? Can you tell how long lines are relative to each other?
It's not an optical illusion.

>>280885581
sorry bud, we have no time for you right now

>>280885581
Chika's not being able to shoot and the way it's handled are why I think she's the best written character in the whole manga. At least so far.

>>280872839
Why doesn't shun wear black uniform?

>>280885405
>not happening because he doesn't have it.
use your brain, yuma has it
>They didn't even think about because it wasn't possible
this is the same brand of "it can't happen because it wasn't possible" when really it's "it didn't happen because the author overlooked it"
>the only way to make it in time it for Yuma to princess carry Osamu all the way out.
i disagree.
they should have tried getting osamu out with less effort as i've discussed extensively above.
>One point lost to Kage is worth less than killing Azuma squad & surviving and Kuga only has one arm.
I literally just finished with some guy who said the same thing. Please actually read what's above to save me from repeating myself.
You're assuming they CAN kill the entirety of azuma squad, when really they might get 1, all, or zero points from azuma squad. so there's no reason not to try to lower the hurdle by getting mikumo out first.
>Not to mention that Azuma's kids would just pursue.
that's not a problem. if they get mikumo, so what?
>Putting Kuga at risk of sniper fire is not worth denying Kage a point
this has been discussed above, no snipers are outside, and etcetc

>>280885621
Verical position, not horizontal.

While we're on the topic of autism, in a volume extra we're told the top three all-rounders are Reiji, Arashiyama and Miwa. Reiji and Miwa make sense, but Arashiyama is above Kitora? And Torimaru?

I guess he was their ace for, what, three years, before Kitora joined, but they were languishing in B rank. Kitora was best rookie of all time (before Yuma). Torimaru was in Tachikawa squad.

>>280885590
>even if his wounds heal he has almost nothing left.
But there is plenty he can do.
Him just existing puts pressure on Azuma squad who don't know the extent of his damage.
He can probably still do something like what he did to Katori.
If he's at the point of death then it doesn't really matter if he gets taken out either so setting him up as bait for the 2 attackers would still work fine.

>just giving him an initial boost is enough time spent on him
That won't be enough to get him out of range in time.

>>280885647
I can tell that you are most likely are either a female which is surprising or a male with severe and literal brain damage as you cannot evaluate distance to save your life

>>280885678
For some reason he has two different trion bodies. He wears his squad uniform like the one Satomi is wearing during the invasion. But otherwise he wears that white one. Makes me think he doesn't like the squad uniform and only wears it when he has to.

>>280885502
I don't like saying this, because it's become a buzzword synonymous with laziness, but I don't think I can reply to
>its self evident
any other way than it seems to be a concession on your part.

>>280885621
>Yuma and Hyuse didn't have bagworm on though right?
Checked, and that's correct.
So Osamu messed up by even having the bagworm on.

>>280885699
Is this by points or author assessment of skill?

>>280885705
Kinda like the Miwa squad wear those flak suits only when in battle probably because they are pain in the ass to draw

>>280885536
My argument was never about having evidence that Osamu could escape, bud. It's that there is not enough compelling evidence that he can't escape, and in such a situation, the smartest thing to do is to spend a minimal amount of resources to try it out. Please don't move the goalposts, it reflects poorly on you.

>>280885692
>i disagree.
and you are factually wrong, disproved by word of god and any person with functioning eyes. you can reject reality all you want but that was it.

>>280885583
You should get a better brain then bud. It doesn't matter that other combatants have better trion, what matters is that there are combatants that have less trion (e.g. Kitora initially) and anyone could have had their trion leak to the same low level that Mikumo was at there, so there's no reason to explain the situation to "everyone else" while not focusing in on mikumo's low trion.

>>280881999
>escudos facing the inwards direction of the mall
Escudos don't block Ibis shots. Even if they did, they don't know Azuma's position. He could literally be anywhere below them. Making Escudos to block every possible angle would be impossible and would take a lot of time.

>>280885705
Makes me wonder if the trigger loadouts also have something like an skin select that lets you change costumes

>>280885782
I would abuse the shit out of that until Kinuta bopped me on the head.

>>280885703
That's crazy that you faggots are this mindbroken over not being to outargue me. I'm not even dropping actual math on your brick heads, it's literally multiplication. Which one of us is more likely to be a female if you can't do this basic shit lmao

>>280885698
This is about taking off bagworm? He can just take it off when he's outside and on "1F"

>>280885351
I ubderstood the joke just now.

>>280885699
Yep.
Kitora being the ace doesn't nessecarilly mean she's better than Arashimaya.
Her becoming the ace would have helped the team because they get another skilled fighter and the captain can play support instead of point maker which eases his job.
But also Arashimaya was in border for longer than Kitora so the points doesn't mean he's better.
>but they were languishing in B rank
Doesn't really matter they are solo points.
The number 2 gunner is languishing in B rank all this time.
>Torimaru
Again its hard to say maybe he just wasn't active long enough to get there, especially since he hasn't done solo ranking since joining T1 ontop of joining later than Arashimiya

>>280885726
Points

>>280885802
you still can't prove you understand what a meter is and everything you do further proves that you don't.

>>280885816
The position hiding.
Osamu is a retard, he should have removed the bagworm because it was useless with Hyuse and Yuuma.
What they needed to hide was their verical distance.

>>280885765
>there's no reason to explain the situation to "everyone else"
>in a recorded match that is commonly reviewed
Yeah, you're a fucking retard. Ironic for someone claiming not being able to be "outargued"

>>280885802
>Direct length comparison on a projected map that has depth to it
What are you doing?

>>280885527
Which point about Kotarou?
3m or 10m? This extremely important.

>>280877298
Holy shit, she can survive her own bullshit nuke.

>>280885701
>But there is plenty he can do.
>Him just existing puts pressure on Azuma squad who don't know the extent of his damage.
This is the best point I've read in the thread, thanks for pointing that out.
However, it would be a moot point if trion wounds can't just close up on their own, and to my knowledge that is not a thing. If I were to believe you though, then I think you have made a strong case. Well, I still think that Usami should be able to tell that Mikumo's trion level is low enough that it's too risky to wait for a potential "wound sealing".
>If he's at the point of death then it doesn't really matter if he gets taken out either so setting him up as bait for the 2 attackers would still work fine.
Yeah, which could be done by sending him outside to run too, desu
>That won't be enough to get him out of range in time.
It really depends, launching a 3m-vertical-strength grasshopper at 45 degrees from the 6th floor can get him 20+m, I already argued that he's 20-30m+ away from azuma squad (not even counting the vertical from 5F to 1F). i think there is room for possibility so the author made an oversight.

>>280885837
>Points
He could just be more of a rank wars nerd, then.

>>280885699
>Torimaru was in Tachikawa squad.
Tachikawa was probably hogging all the points
There was a funny scene in the filler arc where Tachikawa and Jin make a competition of destroying the trion soldiers when they are on defense duty and Izumi complains he didn't get to do anything

>>280885719
Oof. Rough for Osamu but it's understandable
>>280885752
>and any person with functioning eyes
I disagree, hence the debate
>disproved by word of god
Again, defaulting to this "the author cannot be wrong". You're just throwing the argument if you're going to make the contested topic into the premise of your argument, that's pretty much how these things work by definition.

>>280885726
>Q: I would like to know the rankings of the Gunners and Shooters like we do with the Attackers and Snipers.
>A: From what I remember, The top 3 Shooters, from the top, are Ninomiya, Izumi and Kako-san. Top 3 Gunners are Satomi, Yuba-chan and Katagiri Top 3 All-rounders are Reiji, Arashiyama and Miwa, I believe.
>Source: Twitter, July 6th 2022
I think its official rankings.

I guess old Arashiyama squad is like Kitora squad. Very skilled, but lacking that tactical edge needed to get to the top.

>>280885882
Meteora is not particularly good at piercing shields.
A fixed shield is enough to survive one, although normal people probaably needs 2 or 3 fixed shields to survive Chika's.

>>280885882
Since both meteor damage and shield durability scale with trion, in theory everyone should be able to shield their own meteors.

>>280877356
I want her in the track and field club for the sexy outfit.

>>280885555
Quads of truth have spoken. Taichi being a hybrid operator/combatant sounds fun

>>280885778
It's to block visuals, if they're still moving Azuma's wall piercing shots can't do very well, that should have been clear if you followed the chain of discussion

>>280879770
>Yuma sort of indirectly addressed it. Hyuse is desparate to score points and hold up his end of the bargain. And he feels like he wasn't able to do as much as he could during the mall match and got slightly humbled.
>Basically, Azuma corrected yet another brat.
Based Godzuma correcting another big trion fag on top of stomping Kageura

>>280885883
Wounds seal automatically. Literally any time someone loses a limb, Trion pours out and eventually stops after a short period of time.

>>280885860
I'm establishing a floor (minimum distance). The actual distance is even LONGER which is BETTER for my argument lol. Please think.
>>280885845
So where is your specific example of me not understanding a meter? It's your claim, so the burden of proof is on you, kek

>>280885851
Well, if he kept it on until he managed to get out of the mall, if would have paid dividends since they wouldn't directly know Yuma and Hyuse's floor
>>280885853
? No, you failed to understand me. they should explain to everyone else, obviously. But by explaining the actual situation in detail, including why mikumo having low trion brought them to this situation.

>>280885866
What? I already said that Kotarou seems to have gone up at least 10+m (it's hard to tell for sure, but he could be way higher). However, I think it's clear that he's far higher than Oki's 3m jumps, which is all I need to disprove the another anon's point.

>>280873839
Can Nino tank this?

>>280885743
That's where you're wrong, there is not enough compelling evidence that he can escape. His situation is as such, his leg is crippled and has a trion leak that is forcing a bail out. He needs to get 60 meters away from Azuma squad to bail out before he is forced out. The manga shows him stumble into a room before bailing out. A normal non-autistic person will see this and realize that the time he had would not be enough for him to afford an escape. Osamu always puts his team before himself, so he would have no reason to risk his team for a pointless task. You see this and believe he could have managed an escape despite no evidence being given that Osamu can make it beyond 60 meters. If you want to convince people that Osamu could have escaped, you need to show how it could actually have happened rather than throwing around vague plans of escape. Simply put, the manga does not show enough information to make us believe Osamu can escape, so unless you have some exact numbers you are making assumptions of the situation.

>>280885970
>Kotarou flew 10+ meters
Okay, this proves why the discussion is not going anywhere.

>>280885973
if Yuba gets to him he is toast

>>280882876
if only we can send this to Ashihara to exchange for golden Osamu

>>280885930
I see. Now that two people have attested to this, I have no choice but to accept that, although I would love to see it actually stated in the manga or by the author as this seems to be a very important point and I don't think he'd just leave it unstated.
Still, as I said above, Usami should be able to tell that it's too late to hope and pray for Osamu's wound to just mend itself automatically by how much trion he has left, unless they don't have access to that kind of data, which would be kind of stupid.

that white arrow that flies away when you bailout... can someone shoot it and interfere with the bailout return?

>>280885992
creature does not understand what a meter is

>>280885992
>>280886010
Okay, I understand that you think he didn't go up that high. Can you explain why you think this? do you also think he only flew up 3 meters? If so, what makes you think this? Note that in the first panel, he's still flying up, and only stops in the second panel, and in the second panel, the buildings in the background are different from the ones in the first panel.

>>280885918
Block visuals? You need line of sight to make an Escudo, Azuma would be shooting from the floor.

>>280885300
>>280885310
>>280885400
>>280885333
Sheesh. For Torimaru, I just assume it's because of Karasu = crow = bird = tori and they probably have similar kanji.

>>280886007
Trion body wounds getting sealed was already explained before and it was shown multliple times.
Small wounds stop leaking trion after a while in many different battles.
Even amputated arms stops leaking trion after a while.
I don't remember if Yuuma's body stopped leaking trion after he did he removed his scorpion bandage (the wound that Kakizaki did on him).

>>280885916
It would be perfect for him. His cluimsiness wouldn't matter, he already knows how to find good places to hide since he's a sniper, and his peculiar brand of intelligence would work great for coming up with weird shit that catches people off guard.

>>280873914
>Rinji same age as Nino
It was truly ntr, wasn't it

>>280885987
>Osamu always puts his team before himself
First, I disagree with this, Osamu would do what gets his team to their final goal, not something like worrying about "am i putting myself before them".
>You see this and believe he could have managed an escape despite no evidence being given that Osamu can make it beyond 60 meters
Okay, let's say I agree with this for the sake of argument (even though in terms of distances roughly calculated above, I think it is possible).
Where is the evidence that he cannot make it beyond 60 meters?
He has a crippled leg, and a trion leak leading to a bail out, yes. Is that enough evidence to make a strong statement that he CANNOT?
>If you want to convince people that Osamu could have escaped, you need to show how it could actually have happened rather than throwing around vague plans of escape
My argument does not center around proving how it could happen (although I have), the argument centers around the fact that your side has no evidence either, and that in a vacuum, an absence of proof from both sides, the only sensible option is to give it a try since they don't lose much.
>Simply put, the manga does not show enough information to make us believe Osamu can escape,
I would say the information has been shown throughout the series, added up.
>unless you have some exact numbers you are making assumptions of the situation
Where are your exact numbers? Can you prove you aren't making assumptions of the situation?
If neither of us has numbers that are exact enough for your requirements, then again, see my writing above.

>>280886052
>if they're still moving Azuma's wall piercing shots can't do very well

>>280886059
It did.
Yuma wasn't leaking during mantis nor in the start of the next chapter when victory was announced (he also didn't cover it with scorpion at that time and you could see through it).

>>280886059
>Trion body wounds getting sealed was already explained before and it was shown multliple times.
I fully believe this now, I'm just asking for actual text from ashihara in the manga or outside, as a bonus.

>>280886008
I think I remember seeing something about it being pretty well protected. But if it is possible, I'm sure a neighbor will eventually do it.

>>280886058
Torimaru was really Tachikawa being illiterate.
Jackson is simple wordplay. Nobody reads Japanese names using their Chinese reading (On), they use their Japanese reading (Kun). I bet that Tachikawa doesn't know why Ouji decided to use Jackson for Wakamura.
Karasuma is another story. Karasuma is written as 烏丸. Tachikawa wasn't wrong with 丸 (maru) reading, but he confused the kanji for 烏 (karasu) with 鳥 (tori).

>>280886007
Operators aren't omniscient, and you're assuming that whatever program they are using would easily be able to calculate that. The only thing we know is that they can see current Trion levels.

>>280886108
I don't remember when Ashihara said it, but I remember reading it in one of the volume extras.

>>280886123
I wonder if we'll ever get a good perspective of what all operators do. The next phase might be a good opportunity to show that.

>>280886118
maybe he is not a complete retard and just needs glasses? his eyes are kinda fucked up with that # pattern

>>280886101
>>280886059
Just found this. Perhaps I'm reading it wrong though.
https://worldtrigger.info/article/qanda.php?gr=2#:~:text=%E6%88%A6%E9%97%98%E4%BD%93%EF%BC%88%E3%83%88%E3%83%AA%E3%82%AA%E3%83%B3%E4%BD%93%EF%BC%89%E3%81%AE,%E3%82%92%E4%BD%9C%E3%82%8A%E7%9B%B4%E3%81%99%E5%BF%85%E8%A6%81%E3%81%8C%E3%81%82%E3%82%8A%E3%81%BE%E3%81%99%E3%80%82

first, he states that they cannot "heal".
>戦闘体（トリオン体）の修復、という意味なら、不可能です
although it's unclear if that refers to trion replenishment or like regrowing limbs, or if it's closing up trion leakage spots, but I think it's more probable that it's the latter.

>>280886123
Seeing current trion levels is enough for what I was talking about.
>>280886151
Thanks anon.

>>280886092
They would be distracted and lose potential shields to help Osamu escape. Azuma could easily hit a shot on a moving target if he was close.
Why risk it when they can move into a better position to secure more points and get the survival bonus?

>>280886108
It's from BBF
>Q179: Is there any way to plug trion leakage when Trion Bodies are damaged?
>A: Trion Bodies have a function that automatically closes the wound (stops the bleeding), so unless it's a very big wound the trion leakage will stop in 1 minute even if it is left alone. If it is plugged with hands or something, I think there can be even less leakage.

>>280886174
Actually, I'm not sure, rereading it it might be the former. I hope we can find something more definitive.

>>280886158
He is really retarded.
>Q.052: Tachikawa called Kumagai ‘Kuma’, but what relationship do they have?
The relationship of a university student who read the kanji for ‘Kumagai’ wrong 6 times in a row, and a broad-minded female high schooler who tolerates that.
>Q.053: Tachikawa called Suzunari First’s Betsuyaku ‘Taichi’, could this be because he can’t read the kanji ‘Betsuyaku’…?
‘It’s not that I can’t read it, I’m just not sure’ is how it is.
>Q.054: Why did Tachikawa-san grow a beard?
‘Because I was told having a beard make you look smart!’, because of a dumb reason like that.
>Q.055: What can Tachikawa-san do besides fighting?
He can grill mochi nicely on an earthen charcoal brazier.
>Q.057: What ploy did Tachikawa-san use to get into university? (multiple)
He used the cunning ploy of ‘Border’s Recommendation’ to just barely get in Mikado City Municipal University which is affiliated with Border. His parents were super happy.

>>280886198
yeah I just found that too on a japanese wiki
>また傷口からはトリオンが煙のように漏れるが、トリオン体には止血のような機能があり、
大きな傷穴でなければ1分程度で漏れは止まる。(損傷自体は治らない。)

but losing a leg seems like a big wound that can't be recovered from imo

>>280886195
I think as another anon mentioned, the point was that he doesn't know what floor they're on? So the chance of him hitting them is even lower.

>>280886195
And besides the three of them were ambling around there until Mikumo's bailout anyway, so they could have used the equivalent amount of time on trying to get him out.

>>280886210
poor Tachikawa, born with IQ below room temperature. at least he used his autism to grind a usefull skill

>>280886227
It can recover over time too as long as your trion doesn't run out before it heals.

>>280886253
I see, that would make sense, although especially in Osamu's case banking on that seems absurd. (e.g. hoping his leg injury is not a 'big injury', hoping he lasts long enough for the injury to close in 60 seconds (as most anons argued, he bailed out way sooner than that), and only after that can he still act as a distraction for azuma squad etc or serve a purpose while alive)

kek This just reminded me of Kitora's lecture on wasting effort.
>Osamu wasn't wrong trying to catch up in pure skill he should have kept trying!

>>280886235
Based on the kills and remaining people, they should know. They were watching Ema the entire time and they could probably hear the fighting and explosions.
>>280886248
Like I said, not worth getting distracted against Azuma.

well, this seems like a good time to say my farewell.
i was pretty annoyed by some of the arguments, but no hate to any of you. bye and enjoy the storytime.

ok one last thing
>>280886294
>not worth getting distracted against Azuma.
eh, idk. just creating an opening in the wall doesn't seem like that big of a distraction to me. they were talking to each other and comforting osamu during that time anyway, that seems like a distraction to me

>>280886271
60 seconds is the upper limit.
Not the expected time.
Some wounds close quickly (IE Yuma vs Kage which could not have been anywhere near a minute given how it was action after actio) others take longer.

I also suspect the type of damage has an effect (IE clean cuts can close up faster than a blown of arm) but that is headcanon as far as I'm aware.

>>280886086
Your argument and the arguments against you are all based on assumptions on the situation. Osamu moves from the balcony to the store, implying that's all the time he had. His team did not try to get him to escape, implying they either couldn't or didn't consider it worth it. Clearly, there is a reason they did not try to have him escape.
>My argument does not center around proving how it could happen (although I have), the argument centers around the fact that your side has no evidence either, and that in a vacuum, an absence of proof from both sides, the only sensible option is to give it a try since they don't lose much.
The problem with your argument is that the Manga does assume either, 1. Osamu can't escape or 2. it's not worth trying to get him to escape.
And unless you can prove with exact numbers that Osamu could have escaped, the manga's assumptions take precedence over yours.
And the "evidence" you gave is all just assumptions of ways he could escape, there is no frame of distance and time that can actually prove your "evidence" to be true.

>>280886326
It's not just that, using a Trigger makes you susceptible to Ibis. If Azuma was watching them through the floor, he would hear them Viper and have his opening.

Goodnight /border/

>>280886191
Nah, I don't think so. Like I said, Usami is not omniscient. I doubt she knows whether an injury will heal or cause a bail out for every different type of injury, Trion body, and Trion level.

>>280886075
It isn't cuckoldry yet
Nothing suggests Hatohara and Rinji did anything more than using one another

>>280873399
A reminder that Nino being a stuck up chuuni faggot is canon and Ashihara himself confirmed so

>>280886504
That just makes him cuter.

>>280886034
Because Kotarou only flew like two floors and it was with one full grasshopper instead of the usual segmented ones Yuuma likes to use to monkey around.

>>280886478
mhm, they were using each other all right and all night. two broken people after a very long day... zero chance Hatohara is unplaped.

>>280886504
>Stuck up chuuni
>Makes snowman of his team while commentary watches
Its perfect

I'm being kidnapped by Neighbours right now. Hope they have internet over there, or I'll miss the best volume.

>>280886545
Forgot to say that he flew around 2 Yao Ming so around 5 meters max.

>>280886555
And he made the snowman while making sure it can be recorded in camera.

>>280886569
sorry anon, they barely have long distance communication out there.

>>280886295
Seems to me like you're bailing out of the argument

>>280886584
Osamu really should have watched the match to its full extent.
He'd have figured out Nino's nature much earlier.

>>280886569
Border way to communicate and relay information is too advanced for Aftokrator, one of the most poweful nations over there.

>>280886555
>>280886584
>>280886605
Don't forget Nino made sure to include Hatohara in those snowmen
He's really obsessed