He's at his best and most interesting in the Freeza story and he has an actual character arc. Realizing that Goku is actually the Super Saiyan right before he dies and laughing in Freeza's face before getting killed is pitch perfect.
He's absolutely terrible during Cell and there's no reason for him to even be around. He mainly just mopes and shit. There's moments during Buu but you're mostly retreading territory at this point.

>>280924684 (OP)
Seeing Vegeta go from cunning and strategic to his low IQ behavior in Cell was such a character downgrade. Toriyama went overboard with the whole muh saiyan bloodlust and desire for fair fights just to keep the plot going. He comes off way too whiny and insecure in both Cell and Buu

>>280924684 (OP)
if Vegeta is dead then Trunks doesn't exist. if Trunks doesn't exist, then there's no Android Saga or Cell Saga.

>>280924789
His escape from Freeza's ship might be my favorite Vegeta moment. He's so fucking devious in the first half of the arc, just constantly outmaneuvering his opponents. Then watching him get cocky thanks to his powerups and string of luck only for it all to come crashing down is so good.
I have no idea why fans like him in the Cell arc so much. Maybe because a lot of people watched the show when they were moody teenagers with delusions of grandeur and they could relate?

>>280924684 (OP)
>>280924789
Ignoring how retarded and terrible this thread is, and how normalfags like you should be banned for inundating the catalog in the five billionth Dragon Ball thread of the week, you don't get Vegeta's character.
Vegeta's character arc is not "realizing that Goku is actually the Super Saiyan", that's him hedging his bets. He wants Freeza to lose more than he wants to kill Goku.
That is also not an arc for him as nothing about his character has changed. When we meet him, he thinks only of himself and victory. When he dies... he's still doing that.

As for his character changing, yeah. Vegeta was cunning by necessity, because he knew he was outclassed, but even in Namek, when he got a bighead he'd lose. He challenged Zarbon simply because he beat the last two guys only to get completely shit on. He does the same with Ginyu after defeating Jheese, and almost loses his own body for it.
His cunning exists because Freeza is on the gameboard. When Freeza is not a relevant factor, he cuts loose and stops sneaking around- much like how in the Saiyajin arc he didn't bother even fighting until Goku showed up, and went as far as killing his only ally.

Come the Jinzouningen arc, Vegeta has no need to be cunning because he knows he's one of the strongest people around now. He never wanted to sneak around because he always felt that was beneath him, simply a tool to only be used when absolutely necessary. He lets Cell transform because he has spent the last several years of his life nursing a bruised ego and wants to utterly humiliate Cell.
And in Boo, he has every right to be insecure- his rival died without a proper rematch between the two of them, he got outclassed by his rival's son, and then watched his own son die. That's what he means "I've been surpassed by both", he's realizing all of his flaws at once.

>after some point they start adding "except the bad guys" to their mass resurrection wishes
Isn't it kinda fucked the good guys who we as the audience are supposed to believe oppose killing unless absolutely necessary, would happily cast a death sentence on every minor criminal on earth based on some arbitrary morals they leave up to a magic dragon to decide.

>>280924968
No

Spics should be dead.

>>280925428
They love Cell saga Vegeta though

>>280924895
Very easy to prove you wrong.

Vegeta was still cautious on Zarbon round 2 even though he was stronger than Zarbon at that point, he used devious means and "cheated" his way to victory.

Also you're a little whiny bitch but I'm not teaching you anything this time.

>>280924684 (OP)
>>280924789
Vegeta was nuked by the editors because Japan public's perception of his character and Japanese cultural conventions.
As I said in the other thread, Toriyama got slapped by Salaryman, the final boss of manga, every time he wanted to deviate from goku's popularity.

>>280924789
>his low IQ behavior in Cell
Vegeta was one factor in Cell becoming perfect, but everyone else involved in that moment also acted retarded. We've got Krillin thinking with his dick, Trunks somehow having a moral dilemma about killing 18 instead of blowing her up when he sees her, and 18 staying on the island the entire time even when she had multiple opportunities to run, with 16 even telling her to gtfo.

>>280924968
Yeah but the series isn’t concerned with that as most of the conflicts are rooted in personal beefs even though theirs is lots of collateral damage. Freeza might be a mass murderer but that really doesn’t matter to the heroes - he’s just in the way of them getting the Dragon Balls. The series was written on the fly and the intended audience doesn’t really care about these sorts of moral dilemmas anyway.

>>280924968
>Isn't it kinda
No. If a moralfag is going to take issue with some mass criminal (who was already dead), not being brought up again (they were already) (the heroes didn't actually kill the criminal, merely didn't go to the trouble of reviving) and don't even trust dragonbro, fuck them. Enough of looking for reasons to be outraged.
Next you'll say dragonballs cheapen life.

>>280926311
>Trunks somehow having a moral dilemma about killing 18 instead of blowing her up when he sees her
That part was anime, Trunks never really got close to them, Cell absorbing 18 was almost instant in the manga. Other than that you're right this is generally the arc where the cast becomes incompetent and kinda lame, thankfully it's back to fine in Buu.

>>280928406
The Cell arc has this problem where the characters have become strong enough to blow up the world by farting and and they have pretty much unlimited resources at their disposal (DBs, Bulma tech) that you have to have them making a bunch of stupid and selfish decisions just to drive the plot forward.

>>280924684 (OP)
lol

>>280924684 (OP)
Imagine if he'd been revived as a big booty breedable bitch.

>>280924684 (OP)
no

>>280924684 (OP)
no

>>280924684 (OP)
>0
ok

>>280924789
By that point he was mindbroken for good about Goku being stronger, so it makes sense why he became more reckless and insecure.

>>280925967
He was also still sneaky in the early android arc, he pulls a good bluff against Gero.