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Anonymous No.280926478 [Report] >>280926657 >>280926932 >>280927026 >>280927051 >>280927108 >>280927141 >>280930750 >>280931430 >>280931476 >>280931855 >>280931981 >>280932077 >>280932470 >>280933477 >>280933719 >>280934044 >>280936277 >>280939112 >>280941559
Why is facial hair such a rare thing in anime and manga when it comes to male characters and teenagers? It exists but it's more of an aesthetic to show that someone is depressed or really old, and having a male protagonist with a beard or at least a mustache is extremely uncommon, is it an animation thing to avoid drawing those additional details? Or is it a cultural thing where japanese men are used to shaving from an early age?
Anonymous No.280926538 [Report] >>280926916 >>280931981
For example even a testosterone heavy anime like baki where everyone is over 18 has most of its characters with the smoothest faces on god's green earth.
Anonymous No.280926607 [Report] >>280926651
Shut up barafag
Beards are gay
Anonymous No.280926651 [Report] >>280927026
>>280926607
Technically not having a beard or being unable to grow one has been seen as cultural sign that you're a homosexual with low T levels.
Anonymous No.280926657 [Report] >>280926741 >>280933687 >>280936469
>>280926478 (OP)
Japs are low test and can't grow a beard. Well jomonchads could, but they've gone extinct
Anonymous No.280926741 [Report] >>280933373
>>280926657
The thing is they could at least show that it is there take pic rel for example, they have a visible shaved beard but it works more as an aesthetic to show how jaded both characters are.
Anonymous No.280926916 [Report] >>280931873
>>280926538
>testosterone heavy
that image is one of the most homoerotic things i've ever laid eyes on
Anonymous No.280926932 [Report]
>>280926478 (OP)
I suppose it's because:
a) the anime characters are typically young and it's not trendy in Japan for a young person to have a beard
b) the Japanese usually cannot grow a full beard like Iskandar
Isekai protagonists usually have some kind of unkept facial hair as a sign they are worthless hikikomoris who have given up.
Anonymous No.280927026 [Report]
>>280926478 (OP)
Maybe you just need to read more manga. There are plenty of those dudes in a lot of manga that will never get anime adaptations.

>>280926651
Not all beards are equal though. Some people grow theirs because otherwise they look like the stereotypical redditor or discord mod.

And then they proceed to act just like the stereotypical redditor or discord mod even with the full beard.
Anonymous No.280927051 [Report]
>>280926478 (OP)
most japanese cannot grow a beard
you must understand that any anime or manga you've heard of in the west is 100% corporate slop crafted in an excel spreadsheet to appeal to the target demographic - insecure japanese males that skew homosexual
Anonymous No.280927108 [Report]
>>280926478 (OP)
because it's unattractive and makes you look like a bum.
Anonymous No.280927141 [Report] >>280927234
>>280926478 (OP)
You need to have a personality, in order to grow beard in Japan.
Anonymous No.280927234 [Report]
>>280927141
This actually, The Japanese magically become able to grow a beard once they pick up a career in arts and crafts
Anonymous No.280927294 [Report]
What bothers me more is the amount of shitty chinstraps, no mustaches and other dumb shaped beards.

Then there's that one, crevin or something, where the guy has a full on GWOT bomber long neckbeard.
Anonymous No.280927538 [Report]
Anonymous No.280929243 [Report]
But Alexander shaved his beard.
Anonymous No.280930750 [Report]
>>280926478 (OP)
lmao
Anonymous No.280931430 [Report]
>>280926478 (OP)
Yes
Anonymous No.280931476 [Report] >>280931599 >>280931748
>>280926478 (OP)
a psyop by the Big Shave
Anonymous No.280931599 [Report] >>280931748
>>280931476
does that mean that both Rei and Asuka are smooth down there?
Anonymous No.280931748 [Report]
>>280931476
Did the marketing team even watch Eva?
>>280931599
Asuka yes, Rei no.
Anonymous No.280931855 [Report]
>>280926478 (OP)
Jap girls hate beard
Anonymous No.280931873 [Report]
>>280926916
just get out of the closet already
Anonymous No.280931981 [Report] >>280932484 >>280934222
>>280926478 (OP)
>>280926538
If you want beefy manly men with beards you need to look for media aimed at gay men. Not even joking.
Anonymous No.280932077 [Report] >>280932194
>>280926478 (OP)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=joJavNSNp2E
Anonymous No.280932194 [Report]
>>280932077
Kek, shaving your beard is truly the first step for a man to be domesticated by his wife.
Anonymous No.280932470 [Report]
>>280926478 (OP)
There's a mild social stigma against beards because they used to be considered trashy, kind of like tattoos
Anonymous No.280932475 [Report] >>280932778
Facial hair has a long history of discrimination in Japan. From the imperial court's fetishization of pale, smooth skin, to the dress codes expected of Edo period samurai. There were pretty much only two eras where facial hair was less restricted by Japanese culture: the sengoku jidai and the meiji period. For the former, in times of war men didn't have time to shave or adhere to traditional dress codes, and a little facial hair could make a warrior seem more fearsome and wild, due to the "barbaric" connotations beards and mustaches had. Still, a little grooming and trimming was to be expected, for the richer samurai. After the sengoku jidai ended, though, the dress codes returned in force, and everybody started shaving again.

The Meiji era was a different cause altogether: foreign influence. Beards and mustaches were very fashionable in 19th century Europe, in fact most of Europe's leading men sported at least a mustache, often full beards. Japan wanted to be taken seriously by these men, and found out that their bare, smooth cheeks lent them a "childish" appearance in the eyes of westerners, so they started growing beards and mustaches again. This only lasted until traditional Japanese norms started to assert themselves in the 20th century.
Anonymous No.280932484 [Report] >>280932589 >>280932613
>>280931981
>drawn smut made for gay men looks professional af
>drawn smut made for straight women looks like this

Why?
Anonymous No.280932533 [Report] >>280932845
Genetics. The average jap can't grow a real beard no matter how hard he tries.
Anonymous No.280932558 [Report] >>280932778
Beards are pretty rare in east asian culture as a whole and it's rare in anime/manga by extension of that.
Even among grizzled older characters you won't see much more than light facial hair.
Anonymous No.280932589 [Report]
>>280932484
Women aren't as visual about sex, they're more emotional. The visuals just have to be there to guide the imagination.
Anonymous No.280932613 [Report]
>>280932484
>professional af
Their hands look tiny as hell
Anonymous No.280932708 [Report]
I'm kinda forced to shave mine because it looks unsymmetrical when I try to grow it, so I'm physically unable to have one, but for mustaches even 16-17 year old boys have them which is weird because even western media pretend that teenagers in high school don't have facial hair but you magically get it in college.
Anonymous No.280932778 [Report] >>280933247
>>280932558
>>280932475
I wonder if that's because beards were commonly worn by Ainus. When you say "barbaric" that's referring to them right? They did seem more liberal with facial hair in the few pics I've seen.
It's very similar to the opposition between romans and gallics/celts in a way.
Anonymous No.280932845 [Report] >>280933013 >>280933087 >>280933247
>>280932533
Some Japanese people can grow beards, it's the ones who have stronger Jomon blood. See, the Japanese are a mix of two races, the Jomon and the Yayoi. The Jomon are the older, original people who first settled the islands, and were largely absorbed by the Yayoi (those who didn't mix with the Ainu anyway). So most Japanese have the Yayoi look, which is basically continental Asian: short, smooth pale skin, straight black hair, epicanthic folds on the eyes. Jomon have a slightly darker complexion, more "rugged" looking features, and are a lot hairier in body and face. So the modern Japanese population will mostly lean toward Yayoi, or a blended Yayoi look, but occasionally there's somebody that looks very Jomon.
Anonymous No.280933013 [Report] >>280933374
>>280932845
I assume those that look like a badass samurai from an Akira Kurosawa movie are more on the jomon side
Anonymous No.280933087 [Report] >>280933201 >>280933367
>>280932845
This explains a lot so I assume Japan is like India in terms of their entertainment, for example indian shows and movies will find the palest actresses and actors for their productions who are like 0.5 of the population and pretend that they are the norm.
I was genuinely surprised from the number of tanned skin japanese people that I've met in my line of work, I kinda assumed they were just Filipinos or Indonesians only for them to telling me that they are from Japan.
Anonymous No.280933201 [Report]
>>280933087
if your only contact with mexican culture is through telenovelas you will also be left with the impression that Mexico is whiter than Europe too, kek
Anonymous No.280933247 [Report] >>280933500
>>280932778
It goes back to China (as most things do with older Japanese culture) and the fact that the culture that became Japan was founded by an ethnic stock that doesn't take to growing facial hair very well (see: >>280932845 ). The original imperial courts of Japan were essentially all Yayoi stock, and once Japan started imitating Chinese imperial culture they also brought over Chinese fashions, which included the fetishization of pale, smooth skin. Not just for women, but men too.

The time period I'm talking about here is like 700 AD. At this time "Japan" did not encompass all of modern day Japan, it occupied maybe half of Honshu (the southern part) and most of Shikoku and Kyushu. Northern Honshu was inhabited by a people the contemporary Japanese sources called the Emishi, who we can now identify with modern DNA evidence as descendants of both the Ainu and Jomon peoples, with a little bit of Yayoi admixture. I won't get into details but originally Japan was dozens of different petty kingdoms made up of Yayoi and Jomon populations intermixing, and eventually one of those petty kingdoms (Yamato) got the others to submit, founding the "Empire" of Yamato, which then later styled itself as Nihon (Japan). So basically not all of the population that lived on the islands had been subjugated by Yamato, some people were still independent and living in their own petty kingdoms and communities, and that included the Emishi. We don't know a whole lot about these people because the Japanese dismissively only referred to them as "Northern Barbarians" and only really mentioned them if some warrior fought a notable battle against them. Eventually though they were conquered and folded into the empire, though some small pockets remain of older Emishi DNA and culture, like the Matagi mountain men who live in Tohoku.

Ainu people don't have much genetic impact on modern Japan, but had a strong cultural impact on the Emishi of northern Honshu.
Anonymous No.280933367 [Report]
>>280933087
Skin color depends heavily on sun exposure. Okinawa people are closer to Ainu but Ainu are known to have light skin and Okinawa dark but that is mostly because Okinawa people live in a fucking warm island where people wear light clothes and get lots of sun in contrast with places where people have most of the skin covered for a good part of the year.
Anonymous No.280933373 [Report] >>280933457
>>280926741
Knuckleduster shows up later with a full beard.
Anonymous No.280933374 [Report]
>>280933013
Yes, and they were likely picked for their ability to look very rugged and "barbaric" which was a stereotype of samurai they were trying to depict. Basically, they found actors who looked like how they wanted the samurai to look, not necessarily how they actually looked. Keep in mind a lot of the major daimyo of the sengoku jidai were descendants of the imperial bloodline (albeit very distantly) and so would be less likely to have Jomon blood than, say, a random farmer.
Anonymous No.280933428 [Report] >>280933484 >>280934719 >>280935863
Anonymous No.280933457 [Report]
>>280933373
I know. That's why he's my hero, even in the end of the story a true vigilante never retires.
Anonymous No.280933477 [Report]
>>280926478 (OP)
because facial hair usually means "man".
while most anime characters are twinks or fags.
Anonymous No.280933484 [Report] >>280934719 >>280937536
>>280933428
Anonymous No.280933500 [Report] >>280933637
>>280933247
Thank you very much for the exhaustive answer it's surprisingly instructive for a post on 4chan. I'm not sure I understand everything yet but I'll look up those ethnic groups later. Hope you have a nice day
Anonymous No.280933637 [Report]
>>280933500
I rarely get a chance to geek out over my knowledge of ancient and prehistoric Japan. I encourage you to learn about it, I summarized so much stuff I likely got some of it wrong. I hope the gist was correct though.
Anonymous No.280933687 [Report] >>280934334 >>280936469
>>280926657
>Japs are low test
Anon…
Anonymous No.280933719 [Report] >>280933740
>>280926478 (OP)
the main target demographic of anime is pathetic males who don't want to look at other men. which is why cute girl slop is so successful
Anonymous No.280933740 [Report] >>280933889
>>280933719
>pathetic males who don't want to look at other men
So, homos are the only non-pathetic men?
Anonymous No.280933889 [Report]
>>280933740
Virgin tits fan vs Chad dick enjoyer
Anonymous No.280934044 [Report] >>280939599
>>280926478 (OP)
I can't find any research on the topic, but one thing I see consistently brought up in informal conversation is that facial hair is against the dress code of Japanese workplaces because they believe it looks unprofessional. Dress codes are often a reflection of the views of society at large, so there's some stigma in Japan against facial hair, which is likely reflected in anime and manga.
Anonymous No.280934222 [Report] >>280935610 >>280939455
>>280931981
Why do only gay men like bara?
Anonymous No.280934334 [Report]
>>280933687
>5 Countries with the Highest Testosterone
Uzbekistan
Croatia
Cameroon
Azerbaijan
Mongolia
>Lowest
Czech Republic
Latvia
Bahrain
Belarus
Kazakhstan
Anonymous No.280934719 [Report]
>>280933428
>>280933484
Anonymous No.280935610 [Report] >>280936094 >>280937330 >>280937805 >>280938085
>>280934222
because women that like big strong men are more into books than manga
Anonymous No.280935863 [Report]
>>280933428
Yes, I'll have a family sized bucket, some crispy strips and a big ol tub of mashed potatoes
Anonymous No.280936094 [Report]
>>280935610
I feel like bara stuff is more about bear mode guys with hair chests and arms, rather than the waxed and super cut male model look. Though I could see gay guys gooning to those covers.
Anonymous No.280936277 [Report] >>280936298
>>280926478 (OP)
Is it gay to wish that you had an older male figure in your life who is not related to you but has a well of knowledge and life experience who guides you and leads you to be a better person?
Anonymous No.280936298 [Report]
>>280936277
you came into a thread about gay beard shit, yes it's gay whatever you ask
Anonymous No.280936469 [Report] >>280937108
>>280926657
you can see the remaining joumon and yayoi genes in nips in >>280933687.
hans must have been decent too, since china is blue.
Anonymous No.280937108 [Report]
>>280936469
if the chinese were high T they wouldn't have killed nearly all their fauna because traditional medicine says that consuming exotic animal parts makes your pp hard
Anonymous No.280937330 [Report] >>280938917
>>280935610
Calling that ultraslop books is like calling Power Rangers high motion picture art.
Romance novels are the Orwell's 1984 machine autogenerated regurgitations for the proles.
Anonymous No.280937536 [Report]
>>280933484
In his old pics he looks so happy and full of optimism, what the fuck happened?
Anonymous No.280937575 [Report] >>280939312
I was told that it does not look appealing
Anonymous No.280937805 [Report]
>>280935610
>goblin king
>not a goblin
Anonymous No.280938085 [Report]
>>280935610
Is he stripping her in the bottom left book cover?
Anonymous No.280938917 [Report]
>>280937330
What's a prole? A pleb?
Anonymous No.280939112 [Report]
>>280926478 (OP)
Trends. Nobody is more receptive to trends than young people, and anime/manga is generally targeted to people under 40, most of it being for kids and teenagers.

Half-baked anthropology is mostly irrelevant. It's just a matter of contemporary style expectations and target demographics.
Anonymous No.280939312 [Report] >>280940397
>>280937575
Your female friend is a closeted bisexuel, I've been in your shoes before and learned to never trust a woman when it comes to their opinions on men and their attractiveness.
Anonymous No.280939455 [Report]
>>280934222
Twinks are gross and remind of us of women the one thing we actively try avoiding
Anonymous No.280939599 [Report] >>280939651 >>280940470
>>280934044
Are you a zoomer? Because the business standard looking down on beards is a Western thing that spread throughout most of the globe, except for cultures where having a beard is extremely important. It's only been in recent decades, that looking "professional" and having a beard has become more and more compatible but it's still frowned upon depending on the industry and how high up in the corporate rank you are even in America.
Anonymous No.280939651 [Report]
>>280939599
In some companies I worked for it was like a hidden secret that your manager and boss are the only ones who are allowed to have a beard and if you work in the cube you have to have a smooth face for the professionalism.
Anonymous No.280940397 [Report]
>>280939312
Then whose opinion do I trust? My own?
Anonymous No.280940470 [Report] >>280940728
>>280939599
>and how high up in the corporate rank you are even in America.
So the higher you are, the more elaborate beard you can have?
Anonymous No.280940728 [Report]
>>280940470
No, it's more like the higher up you go, the more you have to care about looks, peer pressure, conformity w/ corporate culture, but once you break the threshold where you're high enough to just give orders to most people, then you can make your own rules and have whatever kind of beard you want within reason.
Anonymous No.280941559 [Report]
>>280926478 (OP)
yes