Thread 281191252

Is Chess too simple?

>>281191252 (OP)
It has not been solved yet, so no.

>>281191252 (OP)
I was in a chess club at one point, it turned out the meta is to just memorize movesets and spit them out against your opponent's movesets like a glorified if/else structure. Very few people played by feel.
Card games are more fun.

>>281191302
Also, solving chess will likely require a major technological breakthrough such as quantum computing because the numbers of moves/positions involved are truly staggering.

>>281191359
Isn't that what Bobby Fischer famously complained about?
And the Jews, I guess.

>>281191252 (OP)
did elon musk write this story?

>>281191302
>>281191386
it has

>>281191443
No. It has not been solved.

>>281191252 (OP)
chess = shogi for retards
checkers = go for retards
poker = mahjong for retards
you cannot refute this

>>281191359
That's why the best way to play is to play randomly

>>281191443
No, not yet. Chess engines are far better than humans, though. Even the best player in the world would lose 100 consecutive games against the best chess engine.

>>281191484
on what level of weeb do you have to be to unironically think this?

>>281191484
Chess > Shogi
Checkers < Go
Poker = Mahjong

A mere 8 by 8 grid, no fog of war, no technology tree, no random map or spawn position, only 2 players, both sides exact same pieces, etc.

Polytopia addresses these limitations.

>>281191359
I was vice president of the chess club at my school, avoided presidency because I didn't want to be bothered with the admin work.
During open house I would play with prospective kids and the parents loved that I let the kids almost win before winning, showing them that they both had talent as well as there was still someone better than them.
Little did they know it was all an act and I just wasn't very good.

>>281191252 (OP)
No, squirrels are too smart.

>>281191484
YES

>>281191252 (OP)
I agree, we should have battle royales where the defeated parties are stripped naked. And they fight on American Gladiator style rings. And also they're all kemonomimi.

>>281191544
>if isMyTurn:
>---goAllIn()
>...
>...
>...
>...but AI-kun, this is chess...
>...?

>>281192191
>Ai turn
>Ai shoves all pieces in at once like a poker pot
>enemy folds under sheer pressure of the Ai being able to move 18 pieces at once
GG niggers

>>281191484
Hold-em>Mahjong
Even the nips know this.

>>281191252 (OP)
It's not really simulation of anything.
It's always cringe when characters are really literal when they compare things to chess

>>281191252 (OP)
Too simple no, but there's a skill cap that isn't that hard to reach for pros, that's why competitive games are timed, it becomes a matter of who can read the game faster.

>>281192108
can't believe they nerfed narwhals

>>281191252 (OP)
idk

>>281191359
this, just looking at top play tells you a lot about a game, a lot of card games aren't much different from chess but at least they have some variance from hand drawing to make it look less straight forward while you do your 1 combo

>>281191359
That's what people did until Magnus Carlsen came along and reinvented the entire game by playing by feel.

>>281192108
Release the unredacted Epstein files.

>>281191252 (OP)
No and it’s not a battlefield simulator.
>>281191359
That’s chess 101. Introductory level gameplay. After a bit you integrate those strategies and play naturally. It’s like learning forms in a martial art. You just dropped out at white belt.

>>281191252 (OP)
No, this dumb witch is simply too autistic

>>281197512
dude lost to a jeet, he is never recovering after that

>>281197993
i can fix her.

>>281198467
you can't even fix your mana disease, cold dude

>>281198424
I don't think you know what you're talking about. When Magnus Carlsen was breaking out onto the chess scene, Vishy Anand was the guy to beat. He started his career losing to a jeet.

>>281191544
based exploiter

>>281192191
Go all in every chess match would be like trying to get a Fool's mate every single game and every other bot breaking because it was made with the understanding that there is no way someone would seriously try to play that in an upper-level chess match.

>>281191484
chess = shogi but fun
checkers = go but fun
poker = mahjong but fun

>>281191252 (OP)
King me.

>>281199154
uno

>>281198424
He still won the tournament.

>>281200274
And even though Gukesh won a game against him at that tournament, he also won a game against Gukesh at the same tournament. But of course everyone focuses on Magnus Carlsen losing, not Magnus Carlsen winning.

2 minutes in gimp

>>281191252 (OP)
It's for midwits. You memorize openings and the counter. There is no tactic or strategy, it's just picking or counter-picking a series of moves someone chose decades ago.

>>281200910
It didn't help that the table slam was very memeable. The indian fanbase was also obnoxious, lol. They really wanted to crown Gukesh as the best already.

>>281191429
Yeah, and he even fixed the issue.

>>281191429
No, Bobby just didn't like playing the same shit over and over and over again, which is valid complaint, because that is exactly what disgraced former world champion Kramnik did to him.

>>281191252 (OP)
After black long castle, this position is still +8 for white and even without the queen it would be +2.
It's essentially unloseable.

This scene and the one with the stupid magic power gauge crystal ball were horrendous thank god the squirrel is so sexually appealing my boner prevented my brain from working

>>281202309
I love stupid magic power gauge crystal ball scenes, they're my favorite type of scene in webnovel nonsense.

>>281193632
hold em is the most braindead slop cardgame ever invented.

>>281202214
What are you talking about? Kramnik wasn't even born when Fischer quit chess.

>>281191252 (OP)
Chess is something people put in series and look down on or say how easy it is because they have no true comprehension of its depths similar to how they can picture of hard fighting is.

>>281202385
40% of American students can't read.

>>281191359
fuck dude now i know why i got my ass beat in chess club
i always played by feel

I want to hold em. All the majsoul girls I mean.

>>281191252 (OP)
Made for nakadashi with hand-holding + interlocked fingers, kissing, and whispered confessions of love

>>281191252 (OP)
No.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UZZMiwcP45Y

>>281191359
I played by feel, learned about center but mostly feels, saw one of those opening sequences and quit.

>>281191484
Yes go shogi and go, no for mahjong

>>281202309
>>281197993
>>281191252 (OP)
There's just something about this squirrel which wants me to molest her gently. Any recs with similar FMC? I'll take otome isekai too.

>>281191252 (OP)
Yes, Go is way more complex. And if we start comparing it to video games, then you have games like Advance Wars which are even more complex than that.

>>281202214
Isn’t the modern equivalent smashniggas who play same character and follow a routine every time? I don’t even play competitively I just can tell that’s what it is

>>281205863
It's like in an MMO where you're basically expected to follow a meta and a rotation. There's no real moment to moment decision making and you basically just become a victim of routine.

>>281191252 (OP)
Could kriegspiel satisfy this woman?

>>281191544
>>281192191
>>281192285
They say the best swordsman in the world does not fear to duel the second best swordsman in the world, for he knows all the same moves as his opponent, and can simply do them better.
But he does fear to duel a complete amateur, because the amateur could do absolutely anything.

>>281205984
>There's no real moment to moment decision making
The most common shitter excuse in all games both traditional and video.

>>281205984
Sounds accurate, considering that FFXIV has this exact issue for years now where all the boss fights are in circular arena stages where everyone rotates according to the stage like it's all ultimately a theater play

>>281208040
>FFXIV
It's PVE game without builds, gear and rpg elements bro. It's pretty much MO not MMO. Play something like EVE or Albion. Or RTS.

>>281207787
Depends, in an unarmoured sword fight where one strike is enough it's not so much about being caught off guard it's that the noob might do something suicidal that gets you both killed, but in an armoured context where an imprecise sword strike is not likely to do much damage or in a sports context where points are accumulated over multiple bouts the master has little to fear.

>>281207787
>But he does fear to duel a complete amateur, because the amateur could do absolutely anything.
Sounds like a amateur cope.

>>281208024
The game is boring.

>>281208420
>>281208341
Don't be so literal. It's a metaphor not an actual fight. The point isn't that the amateur will obviously win it's that they might pull some so stupid it takes you by surprise.

>>281191252 (OP)
Chess being simple is what makes it such a good mental exercise, the less complexity there is in a game, the less you can rely on crutches and the more actual strategy matters

>>281209392
>mental exercise
lol

>>281191252 (OP)
Play Magic
https://www.technologyreview.com/2019/05/07/135482/magic-the-gathering-is-officially-the-worlds-most-complex-game/

>>281209392
Is that what makes Go the "best" strategy game? It's as simple as you can get without being trivial.

>>281209622
Correct, its pure and unadulterated strategy, any retard can get easy victories in overtly complex games like magic after thinking some cheese for a couple hours, but when you remove all possible complexity on a (relatively) symmetrical game only strategy matters

>>281205984
this anon's gonna lose his mind when he learns irl warfare also followed the meta and fotc (flavor of the century) army compositions since time immemorial instead of being homeric "decision making" on the spot

>>281209674
part of strategy is adapting to novel situations, there's nothing like learning a new matchup on the fly in a tournament setting in TCGs
I don't like how much chess relies on memorization

>>281191429
The two best chess players in history decided they didn't actually like playing chess, and started playing Fischer's variant where pieces are randomly permuted in the back row.

>>281191484
>checkers = go for retards
That's reversi/Othello.

the toughest battlefield is the one where you and your opponent are evenly matched

>>281211423
I chess easier or harder than Japanese?

>>281191359
it's neither by memorization or by "feel" whatever the hell that is suppose to mean. You play it by thinking ahead "If I go there, I can go there and there later on, but then he might go here and there, then I will be at a disadvantages position in 7 moves, so instead if I go here and there, in 9 moves I will have him in checkmate if he doesn't do something I didn't account for" etc.

>>281211423
TCGs are just money games

>>281202256
No one in anime castles, they probably don't know the rules.

>>281191484
rummy is mahjong for retards. It was easy to get into mahjong because i played rummy.

>>281205785
Shy

>>281191252 (OP)
Sounds like her idea of a wargame is at the skirmish level.
She should get into miniature wargaming.

>>281191252 (OP)
too complex

>muh memorization
>muh strategy
>muh go has no memorization (LMAO)
>ackchyually [any game or skill] is not hard and just memerization

Shitter classics. It's like /v/ RTS thread.

sex with the autism witch

>>281191484
shogi sucks tho and only nips play it.

>>281211786
You clearly haven't watched the show.

>>281191252 (OP)
She's just saying superficial shit that in the end doesn't matter for the game itself, so what if it's flat plane simulation of warfare? Try and solve the game in your mind then.

>>281202256
How the fuck did the rook go to E1 if she didn't develop her knight?

>>281191484
Found the 11

>>281217036
retreating knight moves are somewhat common, she might've been looking at some sort of Ne2 idea after playing Nf3, which is extremely common.

>>281191359
A lot of cope and retards in this thread.

>>281191484
Shogi is absolutely atrocious.
It lacks most of the depth of Chess, because all the pieces are dogshit and you just get more of them, artificially increasing game length. The drop system is also extremely retarded.

Checkers has nothing to do with Go whatsoever.
Mahjong is nothing like Poker.

>>281205984
you need unknown variables (which are not random) for that.
for example, if you play rock paper scissors but no one is allowed to use rock, the game has a clear optimal strategy. if you allow rock, the game is now random. but then you consider the unknown of who you are playing against, and what their personality and past plays are, and suddenly the game gets interesting.
for this to occur in an MMO, it would probably need to be PvP, and one that is comlpex enough to allow multiple "winning" strategies, each with their own counters which are countered by other "winning"\counter strats (think pokemon typings network).
>>281209844
not really, if you look at the whole army level. and at that scope, only retards (which tbf was a lot of people) used the same strats as everyone else. there's a reason we say the element of surprise is a big factor in war.

>>281191484
Shogi is just chess Japan