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Anonymous No.281233807 [Report] >>281233891 >>281234075 >>281234243 >>281236613 >>281237653 >>281239323 >>281239328 >>281239359 >>281244459 >>281245373 >>281246880 >>281247471 >>281247578 >>281248538 >>281249079 >>281249088 >>281250292 >>281251472 >>281252399 >>281254634 >>281256338 >>281256692 >>281259260
What am I in for?
Anonymous No.281233890 [Report] >>281234157 >>281259292
Sex with sailor moon
Anonymous No.281233891 [Report] >>281238199 >>281254500
>>281233807 (OP)
Hot girls fighting monsters (who are also hot).
Anonymous No.281234075 [Report] >>281234110 >>281234145 >>281236947 >>281238702 >>281239668
>>281233807 (OP)
>Cant find Cloverway dub anywhere besides Youtube
>Hates subs because I cant listen while Im doing other shit
Anonymous No.281234110 [Report] >>281234134 >>281234145
>>281234075
>>Hates subs because I cant listen while Im doing other shit

Here's a fun idea. Maybe actually pay attention to what you're fucking watching.
Anonymous No.281234134 [Report] >>281234490 >>281237098 >>281237173 >>281238702 >>281245987 >>281246326
>>281234110
I am paying attention, it's called listening while my phone is in my hand. It's boring to just sit like a mouthbreather, especially 90s slideshows.
Anonymous No.281234145 [Report]
>>281234075
>>281234110
listen to japanese instead
Anonymous No.281234157 [Report]
>>281233890
Anonymous No.281234243 [Report]
>>281233807 (OP)
>What am I in for?
Only the Sailor Saturn season is good, the rest ones are extremely boring.
Anonymous No.281234446 [Report] >>281236533 >>281257998 >>281259010
Anonymous No.281234490 [Report]
>>281234134
If you need entertainment while watching your entertainment then you either need to rethink your hobby or get checked for ADD.
Anonymous No.281235909 [Report] >>281236533 >>281244256 >>281252584
Anonymous No.281236533 [Report]
>>281234446
>>281235909
Lovely.
Anonymous No.281236613 [Report]
>>281233807 (OP)
A brief glimpse into a better place, better time. I would suggest nobody who hasn't watch original sailor moon, it's too hard on the soul.
Anonymous No.281236947 [Report]
>>281234075
Why are you putting on an animated show for background noise?
Anonymous No.281237098 [Report] >>281242054 >>281252553
>>281234134
Anonymous No.281237173 [Report]
>>281234134
>90s slideshows
Wut
Anonymous No.281237240 [Report] >>281246673 >>281248637
what rips should i be getting for sailor moon?
i want to properly watch it after i'm done with seasonal anime, i only watched a few episodes in my youth
Anonymous No.281237653 [Report] >>281248970
>>281233807 (OP)
The 90s anime?

The good:
>90s humor and soul, a LOT of it, it's such an iconic product of its times
>cute girls obviously
>romance themes if you are into it, along with season-specific themes like pragmatism/idealism for S
>at least one season with interesting villains(R, both arcs)
>flashy magical attacks, they get more as the series progresses
>Usagi is adorable and hilarious, she is the main attraction of the show


The bad:
>sharp decline in quality after the third season, and you still have 2 more to go
>no really, it's very sharp, you have been warned
>although there are enough attempts at it and definitely more than the manga counterpart, the story is about Usagi, the others won't get as much focus, don't expect that much for them
>there is a monster fight nearly every episode, but the vast majority of them aren't really interesting, there are some outliers but the average is is very meh
>recycled animations, you are going to see the same transformations and the same attacks many many times

YMMV:
>Mamoru isn't that much of a compelling character, and his role keeps diminishing over time so much that he's fucking dead for the entire duration of the last season
>Chibiusa is a love or hate her character, and if you choose to hate her(as many people did) then SuperS will be a genuine tour de force, it's very possible you will drop the show here, heed my second warning
Anonymous No.281238199 [Report]
>>281233891
In such a way that actual hot girls would not find unappealing, and that young girls would think is super cool.
Anonymous No.281238554 [Report] >>281252791
A lot of TsuKINO
Anonymous No.281238702 [Report] >>281241809
>>281234075
>>281234134
Bait or literally a normie what I doubt because you are posting here
Anonymous No.281239323 [Report] >>281239438 >>281239883 >>281245676 >>281248822 >>281253803 >>281254090
>>281233807 (OP)
>watch this show
>S1 was only the good one
I just had to drop it after that pink loli. Is everyone just blinded by nostalgia for this? I feel like the whole story ended in s1 and everything was an afterthought.
Anonymous No.281239328 [Report]
>>281233807 (OP)
boners
Anonymous No.281239359 [Report]
>>281233807 (OP)
Serafuku, long slenders. That's all you need.
God bless Takeuchi, that women deserves all the money she made
Anonymous No.281239438 [Report]
>>281239323
ARU is gud though.
Chibiusa claims another victim...
Anonymous No.281239668 [Report] >>281239841
>>281234075
If you insist on being a dubfag the new dub is better anyway.
Anonymous No.281239841 [Report]
>>281239668
Depends on why you're watching it.
Anonymous No.281239883 [Report] >>281239908
>>281239323
stars is the best version
Anonymous No.281239908 [Report] >>281239934
>>281239883
What the fuck.
I mean yea, Chibiusa left and all but eeeeeeeh.
Anonymous No.281239934 [Report] >>281239956
>>281239908
Naked fight between mc and Darth Galactus.
Anonymous No.281239956 [Report] >>281239988 >>281240060
>>281239934
Kek. Well sure, the ending is good but the whole season is a bit... "better than SuperS but really fucking gayer than a literal unicorn"-tier.
Anonymous No.281239988 [Report]
>>281239956
They cousins die and go to Hell.
Anonymous No.281240060 [Report] >>281240218
>>281239956
is this not really considered the best version because it doesn't have nostolgia from not coming to the west?

stars has the better music+ super s is very close.
Anonymous No.281240218 [Report] >>281240482 >>281249516
>>281240060
I don't have nostalgia for a specific season of Sailor Moon, but both SuperS and Stars were a pretty obvious case(mostly the former) of trying to continue the series for the sake of.
For SuperS, genuinely I don't know who thought this could be a remotely interesting premise, no interesting execution either, kinda funny villains I guess, but I would be offended even if I liked the pink shit as I'm sure there is much more you can do with her.
For Stars, the Starlights feel like worse versions of the outers, and Galaxia is weird power scaling wankery that might work in a battle shonen or something but sailor moon isn't that, I don't need to see Usagi fight the strongest magical girl in the universe, that's not so interesting on its own, although I can appreciate the execution. That final battle did feel completely hopeless.
Anonymous No.281240482 [Report]
>>281240218
for me it's just simply the seiya romance.
Anonymous No.281240535 [Report]
Anonymous No.281241661 [Report] >>281241756
I would both Usagi and Minako
Anonymous No.281241756 [Report] >>281241794
>>281241661
Usagi's a tough nut. She's dangerous and immune to mind control. Your only option is basically shapeshifting into Tuxedo Mask and just showing up in her bed one night.
Anonymous No.281241794 [Report] >>281241819
>>281241756
She is dumb and will probably believe you are Mamo if come up with a bullshit excuse for why you look different today.
Anonymous No.281241809 [Report]
>>281238702
Normalfags migrate here from reddit or xitter all the time
Anonymous No.281241819 [Report]
>>281241794
The closer she gets to scoring, the more the memories of queen Serenity surface and help her not screw up.
Anonymous No.281242054 [Report]
>>281237098
>>>/vt/ranny
Anonymous No.281243165 [Report] >>281243220 >>281243486
>nobody saying legs
What?
Anonymous No.281243220 [Report]
>>281243165
Usagi is like 65% leg
Anonymous No.281243486 [Report]
>>281243165
Shouldn't Mako's be light green? I thought dark green was Setsuna thing
Anonymous No.281244256 [Report] >>281244317
>>281235909
My cheating wife!
Anonymous No.281244317 [Report] >>281244776
>>281244256
It's not cheating if you agree together when it's allowed. You decide your relationship together.
Anonymous No.281244459 [Report]
>>281233807 (OP)
A classic, with ups and downs, but a classic after all.
Anonymous No.281244692 [Report]
You tell us OP. Surely you are already watching it by now?
Enjoying your first dose of Usagi doing Usagi stuff?
Anonymous No.281244776 [Report]
>>281244317
I guess that's true. Sounds more exciting to put it that way though.
Anonymous No.281245373 [Report] >>281245772
>>281233807 (OP)
90’s Precure baby shit for toddlers, so why are you as a grown adult even attempting to watch this shamelessly?
Anonymous No.281245676 [Report]
>>281239323
S3 is the best
Anonymous No.281245772 [Report] >>281246897
>>281245373
If it entertains him and he enjoys it, then the age of the viewer doesn't matter
Anonymous No.281245916 [Report] >>281246928
At the end of the day, this is very much the most entertaining magical girl show.
That's not to say it does everything better, in fact many of its individual aspects got easily surpassed by other franchises, but they can't ever hope to match it in terms of how everything comes together. If it's not a plot development then it will be the humour, and if it's not the humour then it will be the drama, if it's not the drama then it will be that one rare cool fight, etc. etc. nearly every ep knows how to hook you in different ways. And if you were not aware already, part of that includes throwing some gut punches, I think before the "one who shall be not named" it had the highest ratio of "shit just got real" moments except they are actually tasteful here.
Anonymous No.281245981 [Report]
plapping jupiter until i can no longer think
Anonymous No.281245987 [Report]
>>281234134
this is the actual definition of brainrot. you need to delete instagram and meditate in a cave for several months
Anonymous No.281246326 [Report]
>>281234134
If you're not baiting, I genuinely feel bad for you.
Anonymous No.281246389 [Report] >>281246705 >>281246714
You probably have a favorite girl in mind already.
And by the time you reach the end of the series, that might change and it might not.
But you're going to fall in love with every single one of the girls by the time you finish.
Anonymous No.281246673 [Report]
>>281237240
Any more recent torrent will be using the best rips, came from the Italian DVD that sourced from better quality masters than Toei had access to.
I think the SMC subs are the best, but I'm biased since I like the way all the dialogue is color coded.
Anonymous No.281246705 [Report] >>281246905
>>281246389
>But you're going to fall in love with every single one of the girls by the time you finish.
Not OP obviously but
I started the series thinking Usagi is pretty nice.
I ended the series wanting to bang the shit out of Usagi.
Her friends were always ok, they are cool, however I can't say I liked all the girls because there was one notable and very pink exception. And if we are counting the Starlights they also didn't quite work for me.
Anonymous No.281246714 [Report]
>>281246389
Beautiful words anon
Anonymous No.281246795 [Report] >>281246901
Many Sailor Moon threads recently... the love is alive and well. Just months ago I had to wait between weeks to see SM threads for them to turn into Mahou Shoujo sperg in-fighting
Anonymous No.281246880 [Report]
>>281233807 (OP)
You're in for a treat
Sailor Moon is one of the greatest classics
Anonymous No.281246897 [Report]
>>281245772
>the age of the viewer does not matter
What is this cringe cope? Everyone normal is going to judge a grown adult man watching a little girl’s show, hell even adult women would get judged for still watching a baby show. He should at least be watching an actual respectable Magical Girl anime that isn’t just a glorified toy commercial such as Cardcaptor Sakura.
Anonymous No.281246901 [Report]
>>281246795
There are a bunch of recent watchers.
Current seasonal stuff must be really shitty, or people crave some normal MG stuff that's not fucking Precure.
Anonymous No.281246905 [Report] >>281247172
>>281246705
>And if we are counting the Starlights
Outers yes, Starlights no.
Taiki was the only one they bothered making likable.
Yaten at least had a personality, but she was a complete bitch.
The other one, I just feel bad for. No personality, poor design, and unfortunate attack name.
I think I could like Kakuyu, but she gets a total of what, 5 minutes of screentime before she exits?
Also you're a fool, the pink brat is the best one!
Anonymous No.281246928 [Report] >>281246985 >>281247056
>>281245916
>the most entertaining magical girl show
CCS is better
Anonymous No.281246985 [Report]
>>281246928
Then go make a thread for it.
Anonymous No.281247056 [Report] >>281247224
>>281246928
t.falseflagging precureshillschizo
We don't do tribalism between SM and CCS
Anonymous No.281247172 [Report] >>281247326
>>281246905
>Outers yes, Starlights no.
Haruka is good yes, Michiru is just fine, it's a definitely in favor of the former. Hotaru needed a LOT more time as Saturn, come on now, cute grill tho.
>and unfortunate attack name.
Was "Serious Laser" worse than "Gentle Uterus" tho? Unless you are getting Seiya and Taiki mixed.
Anonymous No.281247224 [Report]
>>281247056
>t.newfag
What are you talking about? Console War-esque faggotry between Sailor Moon and CCS has always been a thing, with CCS fans (rightfully) shitting on Sailor Moon as uncultured, ADHD-ridden, cartoony kiddy slop.
Anonymous No.281247326 [Report] >>281247391
>>281247172
Michiru is great, she's just a lot more subtle than Haruka. Pay attention and it's obvious and hilarious how she has Haruka wrapped around her finger.
And we need a lot more Setsuna and Hotaru. Or rather, we got plenty of Hotaru, but barely any Saturn.
Anonymous No.281247391 [Report] >>281247447
>>281247326
>Setsuna
I forgot to mention her lol. Well, not exactly the most memorable of the bunch.
>we got plenty of Hotaru, but barely any Saturn.
That definitely bothered me. She hardly registered as a senshi. I get that her powers are something you don't want to use as much but hey she got shields apparently, there was one used at the start of Stars.
Anonymous No.281247447 [Report]
>>281247391
>not exactly the most memorable of the bunch
And yet she's the hottest one of the entire group!
Truly there is no justice in this age or iron and woe.
Anonymous No.281247471 [Report]
>>281233807 (OP)
>What am I in for
Ikuhara’s homofaggotry propaganda, unless you watch the based old dub which removes that shit.
Anonymous No.281247578 [Report]
>>281233807 (OP)
Stock footage.
Anonymous No.281248346 [Report]
The characters are all fun and memorable.
Anonymous No.281248538 [Report]
>>281233807 (OP)
Fujobait, read the manga if you’re a dude looking for yurislop.
Anonymous No.281248637 [Report]
>>281237240
just watch on plutotv if you don't mind commercials
Anonymous No.281248822 [Report]
>>281239323
You're not totally wrong, I'm not a fan of her early seasons aside from some okay episodes and the Crystal Tokyo arc is like the only thing in the original series that I haven't finished. The formulaic nature gets more obvious as the show goes on but I still like the Hotaru/Amazon tri-quartet/Nehelania arcs - I think those arcs and their overarching plots are actually a little more focused than the early seasons
Anonymous No.281248970 [Report] >>281249371 >>281252667
>>281237653
>at least one season with interesting villains(R, both arcs)
All the seasons have interesting villains though, that’s kinda one of the major things that differentiates the 90’s anime from the manga. Yeah, there are few weak link duds in most seasons (Jadeite and Beryl in Classic, Rubeus and Black Lady in R) but overall the villains are always the highlight of the show, with the only seasons weak in the villains department being S and Stars. Yet even S still has Eudial, Mimette, and Tomoe and Stars Lead Crow and Aluminum Siren.
Anonymous No.281248997 [Report]
I liked both Sailor Moon and Cardcaptor Sakura.
Sakura slightly more because I like the focus magical spells and a shitton of costumes
Anonymous No.281248998 [Report]
Anonymous No.281249079 [Report] >>281252999
>>281233807 (OP)
>What am I in for?
Unironically incest, lots and lots of incest. Especially the R season.
Anonymous No.281249088 [Report]
>>281233807 (OP)
sexy little girls
Anonymous No.281249371 [Report] >>281252114 >>281252756 >>281255271 >>281255313 >>281255388
>>281248970
It's not like the others are shit, R just did that better than the rest and they all come one after another. Eiru and An start with a pretty interesting dynamic, then it leads into dark magical girl sisters, then obviously Demande and Saphir, let's not forget Esmeraude for being hilarious. Rubeus who?
Black Lady could have been amazing if they had the balls to make her into the actual final boss... and Wiseman himself, yeah sure he's more involved than the likes of Beryl or Pharaoh 90 I guess. Unfortunate trend with the final bosses being always such weak villains until Galaxia dropped, and arguably Nehellenia but only in Stars when she isn't the final boss, because fuck you.
Anonymous No.281249516 [Report] >>281249561 >>281250348 >>281258811
>>281240218
>Galaxia is weird power scaling wankery that might work in a battle shonen or something but sailor moon isn't that, I don't need to see Usagi fight the strongest magical girl in the universe, that's not so interesting on its own, although I can appreciate the execution. That final battle did feel completely hopeless.
It seems you completely missed the point of the final battle, Usagi only wins by putting down the sword and trying to reach out to Galaxia through pacifism and attempting to find the good in her. The final battle in the 90’s anime thus is a true celebration of the magical girl genre, where the feminine virtues of love and mercy triumph over the masculine values of violence and war.

The way this battle plays out in the manga is more the example of battle shonen tropes, yet even there Usagi ultimately relents and forgives Galaxia, but not so much out of the desire to bring out the good in everyone like in the anime, more-so just out of stoic acceptance of her never ending fight against Chaos and position in the Universe which she tries to teach Galaxia that true enlightenment is to accept the realities of life rather than try to change or destroy it.
Anonymous No.281249561 [Report]
>>281249516
uhhh based????
Smurf-fag No.281250292 [Report]
>>281233807 (OP)
Wash and repeat the same thing during all the seasons and movies.
Anonymous No.281250348 [Report] >>281250788
>>281249516
I know, I made sure to mention how I appreciated the execution and point out how the issue was the premise.
Premise: Sailor Moon has to go up against the most powerful magical girl in the universe who just finished conquering most of the galaxy, she is much stronger than any other villains she fought who were planet busters at best. That's her entire deal, she is several order of magnitudes stronger, not much more in terms of character.
Not exactly selling me Stars with this alone, but let's see how it plays out.

Execution: We do season 1 ending again except longer and with more dead magical girls, we accidentally set up the inspiration for the biggest mistake in the history of the genre that will happen years later and- ahem, Usagi is about to break and honestly she would be very justified here, but in spite of all of that she sticks to her idealism, purifies Galaxia, technically defeats the real evil indirectly and gets the miracle she deserved, again. The power wankery didn't even really matter, if not to make her btfo all the other senshis ez.
This is well played, not perfect, but they did what they could given the premise. Since it did this, I can most definitely put Stars above SuperS.
Anonymous No.281250788 [Report] >>281250997
>>281250348
>we accidentally set up the inspiration for the biggest mistake in the history of the genre that will happen years later
It was Manga Stars that inspired Madoka though, not the 90’s anime version of it.

Chaos = Entropy

Cosmos = Godoka
Anonymous No.281250997 [Report] >>281251187
>>281250788
Manga did worse for sure, but that's splitting hairs here.
Also lol, I see it's not even going to be a question here what the "mistake" refers to.
Anonymous No.281251187 [Report] >>281251322
>>281250997
The 90’s anime on the other hand inspired Precure, which was also a mistake for the genre, just on the other side of the coin.
Anonymous No.281251322 [Report]
>>281251187
I guess she didn't get her miracles for free.
Personally not much against Precure, I just don't find it so interesting. Also, holy fucking cocks 1000+ episodes.
うさぎ Anon No.281251472 [Report]
>>281233807 (OP)
You are in for seeing Usagi!
She will always be my beloved!
Anonymous No.281251510 [Report]
I liked that one episode where Chibi Usa stands naked in front of the mirror and dreams of the unicorn to see her nude. And no, she doesn't know that the unicorn is a humanoid prince yet, she wanted to be observed precisely by the horse.
Anonymous No.281252034 [Report] >>281252445
The Sailors and Sakura should make up, then turn against the ones who ruined the genre for real.
Anonymous No.281252114 [Report] >>281252660 >>281253409
>>281249371
>Black Lady could have been amazing if they had the balls to make her into the actual final boss...
My main problem with Black Lady as a villain in the 90’s anime is that they gave her such a shallow, shit kiddy reason to turn evil. In the manga Chibiusa actually has justifiable and quite complex reasons to become evil and Black Lady has a lot of psychological depth as a character, but then you have to deal with the creepy daddy/daughter incest in that version so pick your poison…

Sucks either way, Black Lady’s design and just as a concept is brilliant and god-tier but she’s wasted in both versions.
Anonymous No.281252399 [Report]
>>281233807 (OP)
Lots of boring monster of the week filler slop
Anonymous No.281252445 [Report] >>281252487
>>281252034
>then turn against the ones who ruined the genre for real.
The smelly incel Ojisan yuritroons?
Anonymous No.281252487 [Report] >>281252855
>>281252445
Those have no power compared to deconstruction sloppa
Anonymous No.281252553 [Report]
>>281237098
>Kaela in a sailor moon thread
welp, thats weird
Anonymous No.281252584 [Report]
>>281235909
Lovely
Anonymous No.281252660 [Report]
>>281252114
>Black Lady’s design and just as a concept is brilliant and god-tier but she’s wasted in both versions.
Truth. That's some god-tier blueballing if I have seen one, getting this close to kino storytelling, twice even if we want to count the manga and anime as separate, thrice if there was ever any hope for Crystal, and missing all the swings.
Anonymous No.281252667 [Report] >>281252755 >>281253090
>>281248970
Do you really think S has the weakest villains? I feel like Tomoe alone is makes S one of the biggest contenders for best villain season. The Witches 5 stuff is fun too. Probably the only con is that there's such a focus on the villains, and they don't accomplish much. The source material kind of fixes this, but Tomoe sucks in the source material. He's actually evil and doesn't have his funny mad scientist side.
Anonymous No.281252755 [Report] >>281252817
>>281252667
Anonymous No.281252756 [Report] >>281252902
>>281249371
should've been more like Majin Vegeta. Black Lady actually manages to defeat the Scouts, but in the process realises that Wiseman was lying to her. so uses her Black Lady power to defeat Wiseman which transforms her back into Chibiusa.
Anonymous No.281252791 [Report] >>281252817
>>281238554
With a side of Makoto KINO
Anonymous No.281252817 [Report] >>281253031
>>281252755
Sailor Moon is not even a comedy yet manages to crack me up harder than anything else. What were they thinking with this one.

>>281252791
So much kino in one franchise.
Anonymous No.281252855 [Report] >>281252910 >>281254490 >>281254560
>>281252487
>Those have no power compared to deconstruction sloppa
They’re the exact same crowd though. Even the Sailor Moon manga which started the deconstruction trend was also the first to yuribait and design the Senshi’s designs to appeal to men according to Naoko, it was also the start of deleting male characters and fujo pandering which were both staples of the genre because Naoko herself is the rare example of a female /u/fag, and those tend to be worse than even the male ones.
Anonymous No.281252902 [Report] >>281252929
>>281252756
I mean why not. That's also a great way to do it if we don't want to go with the Usagi vs Chibiusa finale(except she gets purified anyway but now we got something that BTFOs season 1 ending)
Anonymous No.281252910 [Report]
>>281252855
>first magical girls designed to appeal to men
uhh
Anonymous No.281252929 [Report] >>281253061
>>281252902
could still have Moon v Black Lady fight. remember, Majin Vegeta beat Goku.
Anonymous No.281252999 [Report]
>>281249079
This was a hallucination. I think all Black Lady did was put her head on his shoulder. Crystal was full on incest though.
Anonymous No.281253031 [Report]
>>281252817
>Sailor Moon is not even a comedy
The 90s anime 100% has a comedy focus
Anonymous No.281253061 [Report] >>281253085
>>281252929
Crystal has this, doesn't it? Crystal actually has more total Black Lady episodes despite being much shorter overall.
Anonymous No.281253085 [Report] >>281253393
>>281253061
Don't make me actually watch it.
Anonymous No.281253090 [Report] >>281253114 >>281253436
>>281252667
Tomoe is great but S has weak villains purely by virtue of most of the Witches 5 getting shafted and being reduced to MOTD. Kaorinite who gets more screentime also isn’t great.
Anonymous No.281253114 [Report] >>281253311 >>281253436
>>281253090
Eudial exists. She was kinda funny and btfo moon with a flamethrower, that has to count for something.
Anonymous No.281253311 [Report] >>281254678
>>281253114
Again, Tomoe, Eudial, and Mimette are literally the only 3 (good) villains that get prominent screentime in that season. Everyone else is either boring (Kaori) or reduced into a MOTD (the rest of the Witches)
Anonymous No.281253393 [Report]
>>281253085
I found it pretty entertaining. It's cool to see the raw original story. It doesn't replace the 90s anime, so why not give it a try? The CGI transformations for the first 2 seasons suck. I just skipped over them. It's also to see the original Chibiusa(she's not a brat)
Anonymous No.281253409 [Report] >>281254251
>>281252114
>My main problem with Black Lady as a villain in the 90’s anime is that they gave her such a shallow, shit kiddy reason to turn evil.
She blamed herself for the state of the world and her mother falling into a coma, which allowed Wiseman to capitalize on her desperation and depression to essentially groom her into doing his bidding. It's an okay-ish justification and aligns perfectly with the fact that Chibiusa is just an innocent, naive kid.
Anonymous No.281253436 [Report]
>>281253090
It's pretty much Witches 2, yeah. Eudial is pretty great imo. I like that she uses tech to fight the sailors. In the source material, she just has powers like the rest of Witches 5, which sucks.
>>281253114
That was amazing. She even defeats Uranus and Neptune. Who were untouchable up to that point.
Anonymous No.281253516 [Report] >>281253542
Honorable mention to those two for getting a pretty cool fight.
Fucking bullshit that they only exist for one episode iirc.
Anonymous No.281253542 [Report]
>>281253516
>Witches 6
I don't get why Eudial and Mimete get 10~ episodes each then the rest get 1. Crystal I think multiple die in one episode
Anonymous No.281253803 [Report]
>>281239323
S1 was the original intended story for Takeuchi and wanted them all to die at the end.
Anonymous No.281254020 [Report] >>281254385
Ami from the future is pure sex. What the hell.
Anonymous No.281254090 [Report]
>>281239323
>just had to drop it after that pink loli
You need to power through the terrible breakup arc, but after Chibiusa learns Sailor Moon's true identity, R starts to get decent again (although I still think that season 1 was overall the better series).
Anonymous No.281254251 [Report]
>>281253409
>She blamed herself for the state of the world and her mother falling into a coma, which allowed Wiseman to capitalize on her desperation and depression to essentially groom her into doing his bidding. It's an okay-ish justification and aligns perfectly with the fact that Chibiusa is just an innocent, naive kid.
Except they immediately retcon that as the reason next episode and drop Wiseman feeding off her guilt entirely to instead have him distort her memories making her believe mommy and daddy don’t love her just because they disciplined her one time…
Anonymous No.281254385 [Report]
>>281254020
The lipstick does some heavy lifting for her and Usagi in particular.
Anonymous No.281254490 [Report] >>281254774 >>281254879
>>281252855
Sailor Moon is not a deconstruction in any shape or form. It did lay out some elements that will eventually be used that way by M*doka, but there is massive difference.

The former fully embraces the MG elements, focuses on them, develops them over the course of the story, and while it definitely shows it's not all sunshine and rainbows, that's fair enough when you are going against dangerous villains, it's a slightly more sensible take that still keeps its idealization anyway, especially in the anime. And aside from a few jokes, it's not really self aware and has nothing to say on the genre aside from showing how it's cool to mix it with sentai.
The latter throws MG elements in but has no intention to develop them, it doesn't really want to make the girls very magical(they use weapons, albeit not exactly regular ones), and it going to insist on its point every other ep. Yes being a MG sucks, I get it. Actually it's even worse than you thought? Geez, who could guessed. Extremely self-aware, the term mahoushojo is used literally in every single ep I shit you not. All while the MG stuff isn't even really played out for anything but a setup for more misery, or for the sake of doing some pretty animations.
Anonymous No.281254500 [Report]
>>281233891
If not hotter.
Anonymous No.281254557 [Report] >>281254876
That Naoko Takeuchi gal was onto something with the Black Lady design.
Anonymous No.281254560 [Report] >>281254774 >>281254879
>>281252855
>deconstruction
Sailor Moon doesn't deconstruct anything. If anything the genre's tropes are not set well enough to allow for it by then. It just puts a sentai spin in a magical girl show.
Anonymous No.281254634 [Report] >>281254888
>>281233807 (OP)
Mars best girl, not even debatable.
Anonymous No.281254678 [Report] >>281254813
>>281253311
>Kaori
I want to cum inside her so bad it hurts bros
Anonymous No.281254774 [Report]
>>281254490
>>281254560
This troll is in every Sailor Moon thread by the way
Anonymous No.281254813 [Report]
>>281254678
What was with her reappearing with pale skin? It was never explained. I think sshe just survives longer than Witches 5 in the manga
Anonymous No.281254876 [Report] >>281257820
>>281254557
>animated like she's going SSJ3
Anonymous No.281254879 [Report] >>281254934 >>281254990
>>281254490
>>281254560
>Sailor Moon isn’t a deconstruction
The manga is, it literally created the “being a magical girl is suffering” trope, Usagi learns that it’s actually more of a curse rather than a blessing to be the carrier of the most powerful Star Seed in the universe and she has being stuck in a never-ending cycle battling Chaos in a post-apocalyptic world where she loses all her friends and family to look forward to. Even death can’t serve as a reprieve because those with a Sailor Crystal Star Seed will just endlessly reincarnate over and over and can’t really permanently die. Her future self Cosmos goes back in time just to beg and convince Sailor Moon to destroy the Galaxy Cauldron to end their cycle of suffering but if she does that means the very source of life within the universe would be gone and with it reality plunged into nothingness. She is quite literally stuck between a rock and a hard place but chooses to graciously accept her fate, savoring the few fleeting moments of peace where she and the rest of the Senshi just be normal girls.

The rest of the Senshi are essentially fucked too because they have to give up their civilian lives and dreams just to dedicate themselves to serving Serenity and keeping up the cycle of the universe. Being a Magical Girl is not treated as a good thing in the manga, it is depicted as something one should never want, which is quite obviously a deconstruction of the genre.

That’s not even getting into the Stars arc introducing the concept of “Dark” or “Fallen” Sailor Senshi like Galaxia, Senshi who’s Star Seeds power levels were weak and failed to produce planets that can thrive, their fate as Senshi is arguably even worse.

It is widely known Naoko was planning to make the manga even darker before getting reigned in by her editor, she was planning to end the story killing everyone off and having them REMAIN dead, the ending we actually got in Stars is more bittersweet than outright depressing.
Anonymous No.281254888 [Report] >>281255165 >>281257353
>>281254634
I liked her a lot in season 1. But she just kind of does nothing later. I really liked the episode where Sailor Moon was trying to pretend to fight the other senshi and they were killing her. Mars says to trust in her plan. Then she's also the first one to step in to save her, contradicting herself because she's going through so many emotions seeing her best friend like that. It was sweet.
Anonymous No.281254934 [Report] >>281255089 >>281255116
>>281254879
>she was planning to end the story killing everyone off and having them REMAIN dead
How would that make any sense? They exist in the future.
Anonymous No.281254990 [Report] >>281255139
>>281254879
>the manga is
No, it's not. It's simply that Naoko Takeuchi is great at creating designs and premises, but very bad at stories. Luckily, the anime takes the best of the manga and transforms it into something truly great.
The ending of the manga could easily be resolved by having the two Sailor Cosmos defeat Chaos, since one could fight it to a stalemate. It's literally how they defeat Dark Phantom before; use the silver crystal from the future and the present at the same time.
Anonymous No.281255089 [Report]
>>281254934
I'm guessing anon means killing them after the first arc, before aby future stuff is set up. But I seriously doubt it; many manga finish their first arc by killing off the cast for drama and they're fine in the next.
Shit, Saint Seiya killed its entire cast at the end of EVERY arc - I haven't read ND yet so maybe that changed.
Anonymous No.281255116 [Report] >>281255139 >>281255142 >>281255176
>>281254934
>How would that make any sense? They exist in the future.
This was when Sailor Moon was only one arc, before the future arcs existed.

>The ending of the manga could easily be resolved by having the two Sailor Cosmos defeat Chaos, since one could fight it to a stalemate.
Wouldn’t do anything since Chaos will just keep getting reborn in the future somehow, it’s the result of a failed star that creates a Black Hole, and those will always exist.
Anonymous No.281255139 [Report]
>>281255116
Meant for >>281254990
Anonymous No.281255142 [Report] >>281255169
>>281255116
>since Chaos will just keep getting reborn in the future somehow
Not if the ending says it won't.
Anonymous No.281255165 [Report] >>281255265
>>281254888
>she just kind of does nothing later
What? NTA but you can't say that when there are so many important moments in which she is key even during Stars when most of the inners have faded away from the spotlight. These are way too many to mention them all, but for example she is the one who starts redeeming the Ayakashi sisters, realises the Doom Tree is a sentient being, has the premonitory visions during S and is the nexus with the outers, etc. Also Usagi's staunchest support throughout the series. Sorry anon, you might need to rewatch... my wife Rei is truly the best.
Anonymous No.281255169 [Report] >>281255223
>>281255142
>Not if the ending says it won't.
It does though…? Guardian Cosmos literally says Chaos will keep getting reborn
Anonymous No.281255176 [Report]
>>281255116
>This was when Sailor Moon was only one arc, before the future arcs existed.
Sorry, I skimmed through it and you were mostly talking about Stars. So I thought this was some stupid idea Takeuchi might have had.
Anonymous No.281255223 [Report]
>>281255169
But will never win, because Sailor Soldiers will keep it at bay. How is that supposed to be bad?
Anonymous No.281255265 [Report] >>281255467
>>281255165
Maybe her moments didn't stand out as much because I'm bigger on Usagi. I just finished it recently. I felt like she and the other inner senshi got very little focus after season 2. Her "boyfriend" even ends up disappearing after S.
Anonymous No.281255271 [Report] >>281256093
>>281249371
>It's not like the others are shit, R just did that better than the rest and they all come one after another. Eiru and An start with a pretty interesting dynamic, then it leads into dark magical girl sisters, then obviously Demande and Saphir, let's not forget Esmeraude for being hilarious. Rubeus who?
>Obviously Demande and Saphir
cringe, imagine unironically liking the fag brothers who Ikuhara made homo in the anime, what are you gay? they were better in the manga. Esmeraude and the Sexo Sisters were the villains who truly carried that season.
Anonymous No.281255313 [Report]
>>281249371
>Black Lady could have been amazing if they had the balls to make her into the actual final boss... and Wiseman himself
Watch Crystal. This is exactly what happens
Anonymous No.281255388 [Report] >>281255606 >>281255639
>>281249371
>Forgetting the best boy
Anonymous No.281255467 [Report] >>281255501
>>281255265
And that's a good thing (he wasn't even that anyway). She isn't defined by such relationships, that's the entire point of her character – she is her own person first and foremost and despite being so compromised to fulfil her duty and as much as she accepts her destiny as a Senshi, she always manages to be her own person and have her own dreams, to retain that independence which makes her so refreshing. That, as she also grows up and learns to trust her friends and teammates. That's what makes her remarkable, that's why I love her.
Anonymous No.281255501 [Report] >>281255564
>>281255467
Ikuhara stop posting on /a/ and make a new anime already!
Anonymous No.281255564 [Report]
>>281255501
As much as he's based and I respect him, Ikuni couldn't love Rei half as I do...
Anonymous No.281255606 [Report] >>281255639 >>281255682
>>281255388
The movie sucks. Ail and An are awesome. Who asked for a weird fusion of them without the fun antics?
Anonymous No.281255639 [Report]
>>281255388
>>281255606
Oh, that's not Fiore, huh
Anonymous No.281255682 [Report] >>281256093
>>281255606
>Who asked for a weird fusion of them without the fun antics?
Fujos. (aka me)
Anonymous No.281256093 [Report] >>281256799
>>281255682
>>281255271
Is it true Naoko hates fujos and gay men and deliberately spited them in the manga? I keep seeing this claim all over /a/ including something about her disavowing the R movie because of Fiore’s character.
Anonymous No.281256338 [Report] >>281257290 >>281257368
>>281233807 (OP)
you'll soon find out when you get in her
Anonymous No.281256692 [Report]
>>281233807 (OP)
>what am I in for
slop
Anonymous No.281256799 [Report] >>281256980
>>281256093
I don't think lack of writing gay male characters makes someone "homophobic." Most women aren't fujos and it wasn't normalized back then or pushed onto teen girls like it is now.
Anonymous No.281256980 [Report]
>>281256799
>I don't think lack of writing gay male characters makes someone "homophobic."
Naoko didn’t just avoid writing gay men though, she deliberately went out of her way to contradict Ikuhara inserting any gayness into her male villains at every turn in the manga and hates the R movie.
Anonymous No.281257290 [Report] >>281257368
>>281256338
Black Dog?
Anonymous No.281257353 [Report] >>281257395 >>281257421 >>281257612 >>281258577
>>281254888
>But she just kind of does nothing later.
She had one of the best moments in R (though I admit that, as a whole, that season was pretty Usagi centric)
Anonymous No.281257368 [Report]
>>281257290
>>281256338
fuck off retard
Anonymous No.281257395 [Report]
>>281257353
Just R? Best moments in the entire series and all history of anime. That's it.
Anonymous No.281257421 [Report] >>281257612
>>281257353
This episode was pretty rad, yeah
Anonymous No.281257612 [Report] >>281257657 >>281257733
>>281257353
>>281257421
Rubeus was such a faggot turning down a great woman like Koan.
Anonymous No.281257657 [Report]
>>281257612
Indeed.
Anonymous No.281257733 [Report] >>281258398
>>281257612
Rubeus is the worst of the fucking worst and I'm glad he exploded without any chance of redemption
Anonymous No.281257820 [Report] >>281257922 >>281258035 >>281258066
>>281254876
Funnily enough, a couple of episodes earlier, there's a scene that feels influenced by the famous SS transformation on Namek. But instead of 'Are you talking about Krillin?', Chibiusa screams about her friend Momo.
Anonymous No.281257922 [Report]
>>281257820
R is filled with references to DBZ. Chibiusa herself is a direct allusion to both Gohan and Future Trunks, and then the whole Doom Tree saga is clearly inspired by the Androids Saga + the Tree of Might movie. it's part of why it's my favourite season.
Anonymous No.281257998 [Report]
>>281234446
Is she wrong?
Anonymous No.281258035 [Report]
>>281257820
Damn, that is some DBZ shit. I forgot about this
Anonymous No.281258066 [Report]
>>281257820
Also Momo just tanks this by the way. Crazy the villains eventually become star busters
Anonymous No.281258398 [Report] >>281258649
>>281257733
And they still managed to make you feel at least a little bad for him the way he got so cruelly betrayed at the last second.
Anonymous No.281258577 [Report]
>>281257353
This plays in my mind from time to time.
Her line at the end of the R movie cuts through me every time.
Anonymous No.281258649 [Report]
>>281258398
No, not really. He really is some vile scum even for the villain standards, a completely unlikeable character with no redeeming qualities. Let the faggot explode.
Anonymous No.281258811 [Report]
>>281249516
Just the same mind rape magic she used since season 1 on a possessed person.
Anonymous No.281259010 [Report]
>>281234446
Sexo
Anonymous No.281259260 [Report]
>>281233807 (OP)
KINO!
Anonymous No.281259292 [Report]
>>281233890
I prefer chibi moon.
Anonymous No.281259845 [Report]
I loved this show when I was young