>hated being enslaved so much, endured for 2000 years
>not killing the guy that enslaved her
SnK is just beyond retarded. How anyone enjoy this dogshit.

>>281252574 (OP)
Just because the second half is retarded doesn't take away how good it was up until the revelation point.

>>281253712
But it does, because THAT is what everything, characters, plot and mysteries, were building up to.

>>281252574 (OP)
>hated being enslaved so much, endured for 2000 years
That's where you are wrong anon. She actually loved it and her abuser.

>>281252574 (OP)
>One of the best moment in the manga
>Actually Ymir had a stockholm syndrome for her rapist and she waited 2000 years for a women to kill the man she love

>>281252574 (OP)
Poor plot device loli, she was butchered etc, but he's the one I really feel bad for. Anyone who thinks picrel is consistent with the ending is retarded. The point of this flashback was to show how much he'd changed once he started to realize how spineless his "friends" were.

>>281253795
>stockholm syndrome
Note: No such thing ever happened

The hostage rescue was so bad and so dangerous that the hostages felt safer with their takers.
The cops hid their incompetence by saying that the hostages fell in love with their captors

It's ltierally tranny logic for the incels
Both are just lies invented by incompetent people to hide their errors
Perverts wanted to believe it so much that they never looked any deeper and imposed it on everyone else

O my loli hug

>>281252574 (OP)
>>281253890
I don't know how this shit got popular when it's so fucking ugly looking.

>>281253952
It was a great and unique take on the zombie genre
Keyword: WAS

>>281253952
It just coasted on season 1 of the anime

>>281252574 (OP)
Looks up slave mentality, its a real thing.

>>281253890
This. Call me a schizo or whatever, I'm fine with that, but the Eren-Armin-Mikasa beginning should of been an Eren-Floch-Historia end. As far as I'm concerned, the story ended on the chapter that the rumbling began. Also Historia is pregnant with Eren's child which is how the story was supposed to end, with Eren returning from rumbling the world and Historia passing off his child for him to hold. Would have been kino

>>281254297
This works only before gaining a superpower from being hunted as sport by the guy who had enslaved you and your people.
Imagine the kino panel of Ymir's giant foot crushing the king riding his horse.

>>281252574 (OP)
Sometimes it needs help to snap free.
Also imagine the time she comes from, in the end she even had children which bind women in a different way.

Mikasa my wife I love you so much

>>281254771
Fat dyke

>>281254818
Mikasa and Historia together raising Eren's child would've been kino.

>>281254474
I'll always laugh at the part where Mikasa and Armin almost got bombed to death by Yaegerists and Eren didn't give a shit

>>281252574 (OP)
Everything after this is non canon

It's over, let it go.

>>281252574 (OP)
Her loving Fritz was pretty realistic.
The part where she roams the path limbo for eons while having any sort of agency is quite a stretch with how it was explained.

>>281254918
>ERM BUT HE ACTUALLY SUPER CARED THE WHOLE TIME
people who tried to run flak for the ending and go back to try and worm a narrative that made sense are total freaks to me. We got robbed of a good end, that's all there is to it

>>281255666
Never, even if I die, even after I die!

>>281253712
how good is it? lamo

>>281256875
It's not good because the ending turns the first half of the story into an absolute "my future self knew everything all along and gave me plot armor" shitfest

>>281253750
good build up

>>281257012
>"my future self knew everything all along and gave me plot armor"
That's like the least of the problems. The worst thing is the reveal Eren arranged things to have his mom killed.

>>281257685
>I had to kill my mom because then I wouldn't be motivated to kill people for killing my mom

>>281257801
And this is why time travel is shit.

>>281257685
I agree that that one-liner (which was immediately brushed aside by Isayama) is the single biggest kick to the face in the ending. The story is still 99% shit even if you take that "reveal" out because at every point Eren struggles, it has been written into the story that his future self or Ymir Fritz just puppeteer events to work the way Ymir wants

I havent reread SnK but I still remember monthly reading everything, 123 dropped and after the 30 days between 123 and 124 I was on cloud 9. Thought that I was in for an emotional ride and then everything just falls apart. The bonus chapter in the final volume shows paradis being bombed. So peace talks clearly didnt work and not following through with the rumbling resulted in the deaths of the people on the island. The one thing eren was concerned about, the future of his people, got destroyed. Why the fuck would anyone call this story good? On a first read up to 123 SnK is amazing once you get past that point, it falls apart.

>>281253891
Reminds me of the "Bystander Effect" where the police said that
>thirty-seven witnesses saw or heard the attack, and that none of them called the police or came to her aid
so they called that the "Bystander Effect".
But then it was found out that people DID call but the police was slow and lazy as shit.

>>281255666
Not for 10 more years Satan!
Nice dub trips

>>281258290
Lmfao psychology really is a pseudoscience field huh

>>281252574 (OP)
Remember when the ending was so bad the eren self-inserters were on suicide watch and unironically convinced themselves the Illuminati threatened Isayama to rewrite the ending into being anti-genocide?

Lets not forget Isayama admitted to being a marvelfag

>>281253789
Women moment

Anyone have that image where Eren was explaining how the king treated Yimir like shit and made her watch his orgies with other women and Armen commented on how based the king was.

>>281252574 (OP)
>Writes one of the most popular stories of all time
>The ultimate message is that love is the most brutal form of slavery
I wonder what happened to Isayama to make him like this.

>>281252574 (OP)
You're such a fucking slave, I hate it~

>>281256103
Between this and tpns awful ending it's hard not to believe we didn't get literally jewed out of a good ending, and I'm one of the fags who didn't hate Emma's I don't want to kill the demons page. These anime didn't just get bad endings, they got humiliation ritualed to death despite being incredibly popular with kids.

>>281253890
The thing is that this scene could've still been consistent with Eren in the present. He still could have cared enough about them to do everything in his power to keep them alive, while still walking a different path from them. The retarded part was that he let his friends catch up to him during the rumbling and put them in danger just so he could be stopped? Which ended up killing Hange? What the fuck?

>>281260039
That video where Chinese fans held a whole-ass funeral for Eren was pretty funny.

>>281260039
As someone who really liked AoT but wasn't obsessed with it and didn't think it was the best thing ever, I was much MUCH more upset with the 3D CG titans in Mappa's adaptation than I was with the ending. The ending was a little disappointing to me but it didn't ruin everything that came before.

>Feels so bad about Eldians oppressing other people that he sequesters them all to an island
Okay, cool
>Actually no he only took a random group of Eldians, not even all the ones in Marley or his own family members
>Also he created a doomsday weapon to keep the world in fear of his kingdom
>ALSO he somehow overpowered the wills of his entire family so they can't ever do anything about the constant stream of Titans attacking their walls
The entire Fritz/Reiss family makes no sense when you think about it for more than 5 minutes

>>281261769
>writer who has never touched a single woman writes something about love
>it ends up in ridiculous ways that only an incel could come up upon himself
Maybe he would somehow have reached a more grounded conclusion if he had just hired a prostitute

>>281254474
>waaaah the jews forced Isayama to change the ending from my Chad self-insert wiping out all the nonwhites and reproducing with his Aryan waifu. that's the only explanation, I didn't just fall for obvious red herrings

>>281258078
>The story is still 99% shit even if you take that "reveal" out because at every point Eren struggles, it has been written into the story that his future self or Ymir Fritz just puppeteer events to work the way Ymir wants

It was tragic irony. The character most obsessed with freedom had no freedom at all.

>>281262132
In the end the King who founded Paradis is the most evil man in the story and literally everything is his fault. And not even in some "accidental" way. He was a legitimately despicable piece of shit.
Okay so you feel bad about conquering and enslaving all these people. Good, that's nice. So do you maybe stop that? Use the fact you can literally force your nobles to obey with psychic powers to begin reforming your Empire along lines of racial equality, civic service, and not feeding Marleyans to giant man eating fetuses? Stop conquering foreign lands? Nope none of those things. Instead you use your psychic powers to force a large group of your people to exile themselves to an isolated Amish commune against their will so you can live out your life LARPing and living in hedonism. Oh by the way, in this Amish commune you bring along a group of foreign ethnicities for the express reason of setting up a racial caste system with your mind-wiped people on the bottom ruled over by a cabal of degenerates (who you can't mind-wipe) who view people with the titan gene as having "The blood of slaves" and use their knowledge of the outside world to help you better oppress your people. And there's more! While you're living out your Amish fantasy you let the lands of your former empire go to hell. You left behind a good chunk of your own people because you were too selfish to bring them all to your island vacation home (don't want the poors to overcrowd the place!) And leave them to take all the pent up rage of your suddenly released conquered peoples who have no target for their rage since you ran off. They all end up in concentration camps and you don't care. And the cherry on top, you threaten the world with armageddon should they ever disturb your holiday, while at the same time you put in a psychic kill switch to prevent any attempts of your slaves to defend themselves.
The King who built the walls was far more self-serving and evil than any other character.

>>281262132
Karl Marx

>>281262370
One of the worst changes for sure was having the Founder’s powers affecting the other shifters too.
If the shifters were immune from the control of the founder (which would be credible since they all came from the very same power) the founder would be balanced enough to make sense:
>can only control the average eldians joe and shit them into mindless idiots
>creating the colossal ones takes time and energy while also being very unreliable since these are just big and slow boys trumpling everything around
>potentially every other shifter, which used go be the factions of the noble, could usurp you attempting eating you as long they had any royality from their sides
>if they are immune to you, this means they can do wathever they want with their powers, even plotting your demise.

Would’ve made the whole titan war from 100 years before more credible , which could’ve even ended with karl the cuck just giving up after everything went shit.

That and also how the founder’s powers got retconned in the final arc, isayama shouldn’t have gifted all these powers like summoning the previous shifters and absolute mind raping abilities.
Keeping it just to “can control the titans and the eldian normies” would’ve added well to the tragedy of the founder, where the godlike powers are very limited and Eren could use these only to move his super genocide weapon and without a proper control of it (like, he can just think he is moving the titans following specific paths, but not what the titans are destroying unless he is phisically present there)

>>281262365
Explaining the bad writing doesn't make it good. I could call a pile of shit tragic irony it's still a pile of shit

>>281252574 (OP)
??? she was in love with him did you even watch, retard?

Someone want to explain why the Ackermans are created as the king's personal bodyguards, but are also the only ones immune to his mind control and capable of revolting?

>>281263285
unintended side effects of the vax

>>281258188
>So peace talks clearly didnt work
The idea that Paradis had "peace talks" like it's some kind of ceasefire, but instead it's after their side murdered 80% of the world population, literally an apocalypse level event after which any survivors are facing total devastation with absolutely zero power to oppose them in any way is laughable.

>>281263389
Hee.. i would kinda believe it considering half of the world between paradis and the surviving nations was reduced into a flattened scorched earth.
The laughable part is how Mikasa managed to return all alone on Paradis with eren’s head. Without food , ways to travel back and without any jaegerist putting a bullet on her forehead

>>281263389
The 80% plan was fucking ass
>the people you have been conditioned to believe are demons just confirmed your years of propaganda by launching an omnicide on the world
>but we stopped the bad guy ourselves!
>also we pinky promise we no longer have man eating giant zombie powers! surely you trust us on that one after the man eating zombie giant killed your family and flattened your country!
>let us hold hands and sing happy songs and build democracy!
If the end was the exact same but Eren killed 100% of the population dying with a 'you are free now, from now on it's up you' it would at least have made sense

>>281261617

>>281254918
When did that happen?

>>281263690
When that glasses dude had that scat chair delivered to him, Yaegerists put a bomb on it, which killed him, and could've killed Mikasa and Armin since they were nearby.

>>281263538
Which is why the ending comes off as pro-genocide. If you don't finish the job, the rightfully pissed off survivors will nuke your ass.
>>the people you have been conditioned to believe are demons just confirmed your years of propaganda by launching an omnicide on the world
Marley is obviously a standin for Nazi Germany (Italy actually but splitting hairs) but all that last arc did was confirm that they were right to fear the island, and that they were right about history. You don't want your anti-fascism story to end with the fascists looking like the reasonable party.

>>281263735
I was more hoping for a chapter. That didn't really narrow it down all that much.
I'll look for it tomorrow.

>>281252574 (OP)
*How can anyone
Saar...

>>281263897
Chapter 110.