Thread 281310291

Tezuka's assistants say he once drew 150 pages in 10 days. Is this the most impressive record of output in manga history?

>>281310291 (OP)
It's definitely impressive but you also have to consider his style being very simplified as contributing to such an output. Also I'm pretty sure that there are a non-zero amount of pages in his library that he didn't draw for at all. I read a line about this in a volume of the English Yoshiharu Tsuge complete works (think it was Nejishiki), going on about how mangaka like Tezuka and Mizuki had a clear "house style" which led assistants to sometimes have complete control over pages and sequences, in part contributing to those massive body of work.

>>281311089
Never thought about that desu. Regardless, it's fucking insane how prolific the dude was. I honestly wanna read some of his manga sometime

>>281310291 (OP)
He had a bigass studios with who knows how many assistants and a simplistic art style. Many mangaka still does everything on their own and draw the most detailed shit ever put on paper on a monthly/bi-monthly schedule. Those are the real insane people.

>>281311089
there is more thought and work put into these two pages than some of the most prolific modern series have in entire volumes and you could say this about any random handful of tezuka pages.

>>281311817
Let's not get pretentious over some expositional pages

>>281311840
i am merely stating facts.

>>281311861
No, you didn't, You stated your opinion with a broad stroke to wank some middling material on display. At least post better pages to accompany

I'm sure the simpler art style is part of it. Were all of Tezuka's series drawn at that pace? Phoenix was released over quite a long time, but even for each individual part, was Tezuka releasing it weekly? Or even some of his other stuff outside of his earlier stuff like Astro Boy.

>>281311711
You should. Hi no tori, Buddha, Black Jack, all masterpieces.

>>281311089
I might have overstepped in my claims, not sure about Tezuka but here are pages indicating that Mizuki's friend and assistant Tsuge was sometimes responsible for layouts, visual direction, pencils, and inks, with the exception of the main character's rendering.
The Drawn and Quarterly Tsuge collections are great reads, not just for the manga, but also for the essays which are included giving background on the stories and the artist's life during each period.

>>281311711
It's actually very approachable, as long as you're not one to quibble over "old" artsyles. Did you know the Osamu Tezuka Complete works is 400 volumes long? And even then it's not actually totally inclusive... (source: https://tezukainenglish.com/wp/?page_id=443)
They had some volumes of Black Jack at my highschool and I've been Tezuka-pilled ever since.

>>281310291 (OP)
impressed

>>281310291 (OP)
Did they draw 'names' for manga back then?
That seems like a huge time sink nowadays.

>>281310291 (OP)
>>281311089
I could probably draw 150 pages in 10 days. They would just suck absolute balls.

>>281311089
Something similar also went for a series like Golgo 13, where Saito would do general rough layouts, usually, and would leave basically everything to his studio afterwards, typically only doing important faces at the end.
Dialog being handled by some combo of himself and the editorial team at the company.

I wonder if there's a way to chart when that studio system of manga creation stopped being common for successful authors.
You'd think that there'd be more money floating around for creators today, than 60 years ago.

>>281313128
Do you really think drafts are a modern invention?

>>281311791
yupp

>>281312002
Phoenix was published in monthly magazines.

>>281313213
Tezuka's art style was pretty simple
Most mangaka with insane output weren't drawing anything crazy detailed. Even then they were still overworking the shit out of themselves for sure. Tezuka and Yokoyama didn't even bother coming up with new character designs most of the time they just repurposed ones they were already used to drawing.

>>281311711
Anons should storytime some of his classics instead of fucking daily Narutos and similar gabage.

>>281311791
He had a big ass studio with who knows how many assistants and a simplistic art style. Many mangaka still do everything on their own and draw the most detailed shit ever put on paper on a monthly/bi-monthly schedule. Those are the real insane people.*
Don't know how I typed that badly

>>281313346
man I would kill for a complete (or up to date at least) golgo translation

>>281313346
As far as I've heard the process hasn't changed drastically. If it's true that mangaka leave less work to their assistants nowadays, the main reasons are probably that audiences care more about stylistic consistency and that more complex artstyles are harder to imitate. I've still seen manga from the last few years where it was obvious an assistant got to draw the face of a non-background character.

>>281314073
Be the change you want to see

>>281310291 (OP)
He died at 60.

>>281314073
Most don't hold up if you aren't putting yourself in the shoes of a Japanese kid in the 50s.
His adult stuff is pretty noir-inspired. But I tend to find that means it's formulaic and once you get the vibe you can guess the plot from early on.
You might stir some shit up posting the Princess Knight, though.
Could be fun.

Really the issue is one of direction.
Tezuka's paneling and storytelling is too quick for people these days. Most popular series today are super decompressed and will spend an entire page just depicting one expression or a few lines of dialog.
Back in Tezuka's day, you couldn't do that. So everything is played out extremely fast and only rarely is decompression utilized. This makes the dramatic stuff hit a lot less strongly today than it probably once did.

>>281311089
modern mangaka barely draw anything in the frame that isn't the characters(s), they insert irl photos or use 3D renders in clip studio, the simplicity is also a smooth-brained excuse from retards.
>>281311892
tell me how I know u are a retarded newfag.

>>281310291 (OP)

Those pages were all his furry anthro art tho.

>>281316226
What's with the name calling? Can't refute me properly? If you love the old generation so much, all the power to you, but don't discredit the people still working hard out there wholesale over some exposition pages just because One Piece and Demon Slayer, as shit as they are, represent the commercial success of the industry presently. If you're such a deep, long time appreciator of the medium, you should know better than pointing to surface level dregs for the normalfag mass to suck off Tezuka like a manchild. Your statement is on the same level as shonenspics flinging shit in their interseries fanbase war.

>>281314073
I still hate how the daily situation turned out on this board. Nobody understands the purpose of that kind of thread.

>>281316389
stfu faggot

>>281311711
Black Jack's the only good one

>>281316747
I accept your concession. Seethe forever

>>281316525
Enlighten us. What is the true purpose of daily storytime threads?

Wow, the Kimba reboot looks iffy.

>>281316784
post hand

>>281316812
To shine a light on lesser known manga series. Sort of like how a movie viewing club has little or no worth in giving you a deep appreciation of the medium if all the members screen are Marvel movies. Storytime something weird and underground, for fuck's sake, not Bleach.

>>281310291 (OP)
Tezuka, Shotaro, and Nagai were extremely workaholic. Nagai's workload eventually decreased. Tezuka used to even work in parties or trains(when he made Crime and Punishment). He also can draw perfect circles without the need for any equipment. I firmly believe that his art style was his choice rather than what he really can do. Shotaro made 770 manga, while Tezuka made around 700. They worked themselves to death. If you're interested in the subject, then check out Frederik L Schodt's books and the documentary named Osamu Tezuka: Secrets of Creation.

>>281310291 (OP)
Didn't he at some point juggle like 5 weekly manga at the same time?
The was was a manga monster.

>>281311089
Same thing with Toriyama. Didn’t his editor say he would finish a chapter in a day and then spend the rest of the week just fucking about?

>>281310291 (OP)
We need a chart with all his Manga and their current translations status

>>281317523
https://www.mangaupdates.com/author/sx0gw0c/tezuka-osamu?orderby=year

>>281317533
I said chart, like Pic related

>>281317931
Well, get to work on it.

>>281310291 (OP)
fuck off redditor

>>281318075
Explain

>>281316226
>modern mangaka barely draw anything in the frame that isn't the characters(s), they insert irl photos or use 3D renders in clip studio, the simplicity is also a smooth-brained excuse from retards.
Sure, and the 'old greats' like Mizuki just used processed photos or tracings to fill his backgrounds too.

>>281310291 (OP)
Burp

>>281318153
Redditors love to reference Tezuka to prove that anime and manga has always been a communist or socialist artform, even if they've never actually read him.
He's just a talking point about how 'real manga' is communist and all anime/manga fans that aren't commies too, are outsiders and they're the insiders.

>>281319802
Go back

>>281319816
This is the only place that I have.