Thread 281544340

Naotoshi Shida ruined an entire generation of anime.

I genuinely hate the fact that every modern day anime fight scene is a fuckfest of effects, colors and the camera spastically and retardedly moving around the characters. It's a way to jingle the keys in front of the audience and make them think that the fight is more impactful and important than it actually is.

It works. There's a reason everyone says the fight scenes in western animation and comics suck.

>>281544340 (OP)
how much do you think the credit card companies paid him

>>281544340 (OP)
get new material you hack

>>281544629
>the credit card companies!!
Is this the new meme /a/ is going to be regurgitating for the rest of the year?

It's really the 3d animatic that's ruined anime more than anything else.
Even the webgen guys pushed to their absolute limit of how loose and off model they'd go to illustrate motion never did anything remotely as bad. Why? Because even they were still working in 2d planes.

>>281544340 (OP)
I can literally see the dragon ball z in that first one

>>281544401
>guy with rin tohsaka pfp complaining about others consuming teenage media

>>281544401
Mushoku Tensei has these same kind of fight scenes. Are you telling me that's a shounen?

>>281544875
The difference between DB/DBZ and DBSuper is insane. The animation in Super is so dogshit I genuinely believe the people who love Super are all involved in some mass delusional hysteria if they cannot see how godawful it is.

>>281544990
Yes

>>281544401
Every condescending fag who uses tumblr deserves to have his balls kicked back inside his body

>>281544340 (OP)
ONORE

>>281544977
He's not saying he has a problem with media aimed at teenagers, he's talking about the people who deliberately watch media aimed at teenagers instead of stuff made for people their own age.

>>281545294
And it's not even true because EVERY anime regardless of age range has fights that look like this now.

>>281544706
There is nothing wrong with hating those jews.

>>281545527
Name these good old fights then.

>>281545697
Are you that much of a shit eater to be defending this?

>>281544977
>teenage media
>tohsaka's anus

>>281545294
While it's not about that specific example given, there can be certain trends in each group that someone likes part of but not all of it. Switching to something targeted at a different age might resolve some complaints but introduce others.

>>281546130
Teenagers watch porn bro

>>281545882
You are moron for treating op's shitposting serious.

>>281544990
Yes?

>>281546549
they can't legally purchase it, and would have a lot harder a time playing it in 2004 than the would now, though!

>>281546583
You are a fucking retard. Mushoku is LNtrash. Shounen/seinen/etc are manga only demographics. They aren't genres.

all light novels are aimed at teens primarily my nigga (hard r implied) they are the book equivalent of shounen and shoujo

>>281544340 (OP)
>blaming Shida after the best Dragon Ball has ever looked in motion
Actual retard. Kill yourself.

>>281546694
No you fucking retard. Best selling light novels pale in comparison to best selling manga. They are obviously read by older readerbase than manga. Also stop being retard for thinking demographics are genre.

>>281546586
Neither point matters. Lots of teens loved FSN back in the 00s

>>281546694
>A manga adaptation by Daichi Matsue, titled Re:ZERO: -..., began serialization in the August 2014 issue of Media Factory's seinen manga
>seinen manga
heh, tough luck, wn/ln/isekai is seinen. ;)

For whatever reason, sakuga has come to mean oncomprehensible fight scenes instead good animation. There's no fight scene in One Piece anywhere as well animated as that scene from BTAS where batman interrogates a goon with "acid"

>>281546868
That means only that manga is seinen because it's published in seinen magazine. It doesn't apply to LN or anime.

>>281547006
more frames: more gooder

>>281546761
shounen is a genre
shoujo is a genre
the demographics are a genre indicator in Japan stop being such a newfag
>b-b-but you can distinguish between battle shounen and sports shounen and titty shounen
yeah thats called a subgenre

>>281547006
Why don't you watch things beside one shit

>>281547068
No you fucking nigger. Shounen/seinen/shoujo doesn't mean anything about the plot or genres of a series.

>>281546469
What can an adult find appealing in media made for kids/teenagers that they can't find in media made for adults?

>>281547068
They aren't genres, they're just the gender and age of the target audience.

>>281547100
if you dont think boys and girls have different tastes and interests that express themselves in different stylistic and story conventions then might I suggest the perfect board for you
>>>/lgbt/

>>281547103
Pure distilled moe crafted with more love than anything else in the industry.

>>281547173
Explain why Hero academia is popular by both boys, manchildren and adult women despite being shounen
Explain why Tokyo Ghoul was popular with fujos despite being seinen

>>281547173
That doesn't make them different genres. It makes them different stories aimed at different audiences.

Dragon Ball, Death Note, and Rent-A-Girlfriend are all shonen, but have nothing in common.

>>281544340 (OP)
I think this is partly missing the forest for the trees. Even when modern-day cameramen try to do slow panning shots and whatnot, it still looks bad. There are two main issues. One, that nobody bothers doing still shots from strange / dutch angles any more. Floor shots, ceiling shots, etc were all way more common before.

Second, and way, way more important, is that anime used to be shot with ACTUAL CAMERAS. When you zoom in with a fake camera, you're just linearly scaling the image by 200%. When you zoomed in with old anime cameras, you were physically zooming in on the animation cell using the camera lens. This creates a completely different effect, especially because there's natural judder, shaking, easing, and settling as a camera physically moves into position. Old panning shots, zoom shots, and focus shots (when something blurry in the foreground/background gets focused on - this shot isn't seen at all in modern anime but was very common when you had a physical camera to work with) all had a very distinct, appealing look to them because it was necessary to physically operate a camera to achieve them. Modern camera operation is flat because there is no attempt to replicate that look.

Modern day animators don't understand that the cameraman himself is a character and that he needs to be well-animated as well.

>>281547042
It's a huge indicative. When it comes to adapting the content of the lns, seinen magazines do it while shonen magazines deem it unfit. The anime follows the manga more than ln sometimes.
isekai is straight seinen. hxh fans can only dream it had all that.

>>281546563
>>281546598
I might understand the direction fight scene choreography went along with, which lead to this hyperactive style. If you think about all hand combat fight scenes more or less stem from classic eastern movies, which, while often performed by masters, were rather stiff in their presentation. This was more or less copied to anime. Not only was the eye of the viewer used to that style, but it was also pretty cheap to animate. Then productions got bigger, staff got more experienced and unknowingly we hit some kind of sweet spot with complex and artistic fight scenes, which still used the classic eastern setup as a foundation though. Upon further iteration that foundation was eventually lost and the more complex fight scenes were used as a basis for further development. Well now you have nowhere to go besides faster cuts and almost doped choreography. It simply was the only direction to further go, if you want to do something different. It's not pretty. But it's pretty understandable. I still miss the old stuff though.

Cameramen do not exist in anime, retard.

>>281544340 (OP)
>>281546598
Faster

>>281546598
How sad. I wonder if Oda thought Gear 5 would end up like this.

>>281548519
The Popeye fight looks better, simply because you can actually follow, what's happening on the sceen. It seems like this simple revelation is sometimes lost on modern directors. A movie / a series is a communication instrument. If your recepients can't decipher it, it's worthless.

>>281547183
What episode is this?

>>281548238
If you read exposure sheets, storyboards, etc in Japanese they all refer to the camera. Take up your retardation with them.

This is why do so many anime have characters on the sidelines explaining what's going on, fights would be incomprehensible otherwise.

>>281545527
>EVERY anime regardless of age range has fights that look like this now.
I've never seen this except in threads complaining about it. maybe that means the animes I watch can't afford fancy animation, but clearly it's limited to certain types of shows.

what the fuck does Shida have to do with anything you're saying

>>281550905
no that's because those animes are adaptations of mangos drawn by people on schedules. a picture is worth a thousand words but it's way easier to draw a panel of some character explaining what's going on than a bunch of panels actually showing it, especially when it's some kind of ass pull that you wouldn't easily notice to begin with.

>>281544401
???
How is pic related to the thread?
Media aimed at the same demographic back then didn't have these problems.
Point to me the scene where rurouni kenshin did that sort of camera movements.
Or dragon ball.
Or Yu Yu Hakusho.

>>281548848
60

>>281544401
kek fippy bippy and op is a btfod faggot

Awesome fight scene

>>281552487
this is fucking stupid
>random blue screen flash that explains nothing of what just happened
>blocking bullets by holding a sword stationary in front of you
am I getting baited

>>281552639
>random blue screen flash that explains nothing of what just happened
Because a real fight is chaotic and you won't understand everything that is going on around you, so this helps simulate that confusion and action.

>>281546598
And people were comparing this transformation with SS? LMAO.

>>281552639
random blue screen flash
Literally the sword and knife, you faggot

It all loops back tothose shitty Transformers movies that Hollywood made where the cameraman was hopped up on meth or something.
STOP SHAKING.

Please bring back 2d mecha. Was very disappointed when they went with 3d for the Code Geass Lelouch movie.

>>281547441
Demographics mean shit, moron. Publishers want as broad appeal as possible.

>>281544401
There's plenty of anime about adults. The problem is there's less of it now than before.

>>281555633
No, there's not.

If you're watching anime that's made for adults, most of it still features adult characters. Media always stars characters the same age as the target audience.

>>281554835
Seinen is mature anime/manga for refined individuals. By adapting isekai, the magazine is acknowledging that the content of the LN is refined and mature.

>>281555654
>No, there's not.
Yes, there is. What a stupid thing to say. I literally just posted one. Good god, you're criminally retarded. How did you figure out how to work a smartphone?

>>281555675
I was talking about the claim that there's less anime about adults now. That's not true in the slightest.

>>281555705
>That's not true in the slightest.
It's completely true.

>>281544340 (OP)
I fucking hate the cubes

>>281555719
Kaiju No. 8 is a battle shonen with a 32 year old protagonist
Rent-A-Girlfriend is about adults

>>281544522
>It works.
It doesn't. You're just all retarded.

>>281555747
If it didn't work, anime would have stopped doing it a long time ago

>>281546586
There was a time when pirated DVDs are found everywhere for cheap and even children can easily buy them unsupervised. I pity you clueless zoomers for all the good things you've missed out on

>>281547438
Informative, thanks.

>>281555740
Kaiju No. 8 is a manga about a 32 year old man who isn't allowed to fight, and a bunch of teenagers who get more sxreentime than he does.

>>281555664
Yeah, Tokyo Ghoul is so mature and refined

>>281555664
>Seinen is mature anime/manga for refined individuals
This is how I know you're underaged

>>281555760
Anime does it because it's easy to trick retards

>>281545051
It's just braindead deebeezeetards that don't care how bad something is as long as it has Gowku in it. Same reason retards claim the dub is good.

>>281544401
Doesn't change OP's point.

>>281555664
>Seinen is mature anime/manga for refined individuals.
Thank you for outing yourself as somebody that doesn't actually consume seinen.

>>281549846
Are there any good resources (like Japanese books, maybe) for learning about Japanese animation systems? I've got a decent amount of books about traditional western animation, but I'm interested in the details of how anime productions differ from western ones.

>>281544340 (OP)
if your cameraman cant teleport behind you what are you paying him for.

>>281546598
The good thing about gear 5 becoming more common as time goes on is that Chanzard won't be doing all the cuts for it anymore

>>281557505
Shirobako's website used to have a pretty good crash course on Jargon.
https://web.archive.org/web/20150216153144/http://shirobako-anime.com/words.html

And if you have some understanding of western animation jargon then you can google a lot of parts of the process yourself. Though highly contextual Japanese jargon has always kind of been the nightmare scenario for mtl.

>>281546598
The real issue is that it's half assed. It should be faster and even more of a clusterfuck since Luffy is fighting a guy who moves at the speed of light.

>>281560396
>cubes
Every time

>>281560396
Is this what the One Piece anime looks like now? DBZ glowy auras and people can just sort of fly?
Has Luffy shot a kamahameha yet?

>>281546598
holy cringe

>>281560595
I honestly have no idea what the animation directors are doing over there nowadays. I don't think I've ever seen a problem quite like this before. It's usual for some art and timing changes to differ but I don't think I've seen such high profile cases where different animators are just allowed to dictate the tone of an adaption

>>281555740
>Rent-A-Girlfriend is about adults
only in "legally allowed to drink" sense

>>281560545
At least with a sword fight they thematically make sense. But I'd much rather see 1-3 clear sword cuts that extend to the ground. The start of Zorro's flight-dash is retarded either way.

>>281548519
I seriously doubt he had expectations of it looking like this when the episodes prior was dbs on steroids.

>>281546586
Teen age is a state of mind
Fate is called a chuu(middle school)ni(2nd grade)ge(game) for a reason.

>>281557505
https://sakuga.fandom.com/wiki/Timesheet

>>281544977
>outing yourself as a teenager by using zoomer slang like "pfp" instead of "avatar"

>>281556653
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YdHTlUGN1zw
the old animation is pretty cool, all kinds of hidden tricks to achieve effects, but at it's most simply level, it's just a physical camera fixed in a rig pointing down at backlit animation cels.

>>281544977
fate is 18+ and always have been, newfag