Thread 282096780

Why is his greatest sin perceived as "never even liking himself?"
Self-image comes from other people first and foremost. Nobody even gave him the chance except for maybe Kaworu and he was forced to kill him.

>>282096780 (OP)
because anno had a mental breakdown
i think he was trying to gaslight himself into having self worth

>>282096841
I mean, even in a meta-sense people hate Shinji as a character for "being whiny" and "hating himself." So I don't think that alone could explain it

Rei fixed him in NGE.
It was very dramatic and messy but it worked.

>>282096780 (OP)
>Self-image comes from other people first and foremost. Nobody even gave him the chance except for maybe Kaworu and he was forced to kill him
Funny thing is Shinji still does well despite the circumstances, and despite the "get in the robot" meme, he usually proactively gets in the robot. Whenever he shows up in SRW, it's funny how much getting positive role models and an actual support group turns him around.

Misato was gassing him up before they ever spoke. 3.33 is remarkable for being the only time she ever stopped.

>>282096780 (OP)
Shinji's a cute boy, and i love him a lot!

>Evashit in September 2025
Grow up. Watch something funny like Nadia instead and quit jacking off 8 times a week

>>282098410
If you don't work at least 60 hours a week, lower your tone.

Eva is one huge gaslight, there was absolutely nothing wrong with Shinji.

>>282098589
Correct!

>>282098091
>Misato was gassing him up before they ever spoke
Half-heartedly with obvious, hypocritical ulterior motives

>>282097085
rei sucks. misato or bust

>>282098773
Ok?

I choose busting in Rei

>>282098773
Sucks like a vacuum. I would never bust in Misato either.

>>282096841
Anno just hates happy endings for some reason.

Before NGE, he made The Mystery of Blue Water, where the minor villains turned out to be good guys, and the two protagonists end up getting married at the end and living happily. But that decision was made by the producers I think. Later, Anno directed a movie sequel to that anime where the villains had reverted back to their criminal selves for no reason, while the protagonists were no longer married.

>>282096905
One of the reasons I fell in love with NGE was that Shinji was more like a normal teenage boy than your typical hero. It made him relatable.

>>282098589
omedetou

>>282098773
Misato cares about Shinji, but doesn't love him. And she repeatedly tries to use sex to manipulate him, which is seriously wrong considering that she's supposed to be his guardian.

Asuka never shows the slightest bit of affection toward him. She also uses sex against him.

Rei on the other hand, sacrifices herself to save him. Objectively, she has to be considered the best girl.

>>282099217
TRVKE

>>282096780 (OP)
Because he hit too close to home for self inserters

>>282098091
Misato was extremely manipulative whenever she hyped him up to go in the robot and it was so obvious even Shinji picked up on it everytime she did it

>>282096780 (OP)
Self-hatred inevitably leads to blaming God for the form gifted to you. It's the same malformed logic that drives troons to mutilate themselves trying to "correct the mistake" that only exists in their heads.

>>282099826
Rent free

>>282101321
I wish Asuka lived rent free in my house

>>282096780 (OP)
Everyone gave him a chance. Because he hated himself he assumed they'd already made up their mine about hating him too and egotistically assumed they were all acting in bad faith just to get him to do what they needed from him, and that if they didn't need anything from him they'd actively scorn him

oh boy yet another evangelion thread. anyway how autistic is it that i bought a blu-ray drive and discs to burn the sephirotic release because the offical english blu-ray fucking sucks. fucking netflix not licensing fly me to the moon

>>282101555
not the demiurge btw

>>282101722
Don't blue-ray copies before netflix got the license exist?

>>282102360
Just the ADV dvd's. No english blu-rays before netflix.

>>282102377
I remember there was a big shit show about the ADV dub only being on the special mega expensive edition set and the regular just had netflixs shit show. I mean say what you want about the ADV dub they at least understood how grammar worked

>>282101722
it's not autistic it's just retarded and attention-seeking

>>282102397
yeah, had to pre-order the limited print $500 collectors edition to get the ADV dub on blu-ray offically. Not that i watch Eva in dub anyway.

>>282102422
the problem is that regardless of what you think of dubs the quality of them does overlap into the quality of the subtitles. So you can't just shrug and enjoy it because the sub titles will have the same bullshit just with less awful voices.

>>282102411
i just want to watch eva with the best release easily on the comfort of my oled tv. but i am retarded ill give you that.

>>282102447
Yeah the subs suck shit but apparently studio khara insisted they do it themselves and thats why it feels so stiff.

>>282101722
You could just buy an external drive. Also
>sephirotic

are there any other Shinji scholars here tonight?

cherish boi, btw

>>282103184
>>282103204
Yes. It is likely.

>>282103184
Yes

>>282096780 (OP)
It's not their business man

>>282099826
>another Christian browsing 18+ communities because he has no personality besides hating queers, women, and brown people
how original

>>282099055
All of the shit you said about Nadia is wrong.

>>282102611
Thats how i've watched for years but most consoles/blu ray players/tv's hate subs or the way it was encoded. I just want to put the disc in, hit play and it works. good subs, fly me to the moon, and not relying on any service.

Whats wrong with Sephirotic? It's been the goto for like 5 years

>>282096780 (OP)
Self loathing can lead to self sabotage
Which can lead to hurting others in the process
Hedgehog

>>282104772
you would probably be better off just getting a little mini pc to use as a media center device

>>282096841
Anno overdosed himself on philosophy when the reality is it doesn't take that much thought or intelligence to appreciate life or self worth. That's why "dumb" people are often the happiest people. Because they didn't waste their time overthinking. They live by the moment.

>>282099826
This is completely correct and it's why Shinji trooning out is not as unrealistic as some of us might like it to be.

I love Rei. she is an angel.

Gay

>>282107792
The happiest Shinji was in the entire show was when another man was showing him affection. Yes, it IS gay.

>>282105906
Literally

>>282103897
>>282104180
<3

>>282107936
>>282108080

>>282098410
>Watch something funny like Nadia
>Watch escapismo.
No thanks. Rather wanna rewatch my depression slop.

>>282104734
Huh... no, it isn't. Feel free to google it if you don't believe me.

>>282099217
>Asuka never shows the slightest bit of affection toward him. She also uses sex against him.
Worse, she comes to hate him and resent his existence after Leliel's suicide.
>Everytime complaining about Shinji's personality, even complaining about it in front of Rei.
>Growing hateful of him, Rei and Misato, but him the most, because he's the spitting image of everything she hates about herself.
>It comes to apoint she can't stand living in the same house, bathing in the same bath, eating the same food, and even breathing the same air Shinji, Rei and Misato do.
>Said conclusion made her run away to Hikari's house first, then when she returned, she engaged in a fight with Shinji, and him lashing out the truth about Kaji's whereabouts was the last straw for her. She met her own contempt against Eva 01 pilot by hearing a fed up Shinji lashing out the words she never wanted to hear.

Asuka's shinji's foil. They can't coexist together because they are a reflection of each other's lowest points.

>>282109334
>Asuka's shinji's foil.
I don't think it's appropriate to say that implying a singular. Kaworu is Shinji's foil as well, although in a different way (Anno talks about this), he is an ideal that Shinji falls short of miserably. This is a big part of what makes him attractive and an attractive option for Shinji--despite being a lot more collected and effortlessly capable, he still shows Shinji compassion and unconditionally loves him.

>>282105643
feeling conversations out through by your chest and not your head is something i had to be told

>>282096780 (OP)
>>282096905
"People hate Shinji" comes from the fact that he is a mirror to the common anime fan (of the time), and common anime fans of that time hate mirrors.

>>282110206
Well that alone wouldn't address it because people *still* hate Shinji, even people who aren't "anime fans" watch it and have the same feelings towards him.

>>282101555
People who aren't anime fans also hate anime fans so it seems like it checks out to me.

>>282096780 (OP)
no, it's the other way around. shinji is not likable. he is a failure. he does not provide utility. yet, it is for precisely that reason that his arc completes when he begins to respect and like himself regardless of his extrinsic value. that's the whole point and why he was written this way. see >>282098589

>>282099217
true but for me it will always be Asuka since I just want to comfort her.

>>282110224
I don't feel that way, maybe the english dub gives that feeling? I watched first time in japanese.

>>282111110
I've never seen the dub and Eva has had two different dubs. I think it's less of a matter of it being related to "anime fans" but people balking at "someone who doesn't like themselves."

>>282111073
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>>>282099217
>true but for me it will always be Asuka since I just want to comfort her.
However she didn't want to be conforted, she wanted a father figure.
It's ironic how the line Shikinami spat to Mari after she goodbye-confessed Shinji applies both her and Souryuu Asuka to a T. Souryuu's fixation with Kaji speaks a lot about her daddy issues, but Shikinami's issues were kinda similar, yet she got an adult who could look after her in the shape of Kenken.
Souryuu's doomed to learn to coexist with the living memento of her issues.

>>282111342
>However she didn't want to be conforted, she wanted a father figure.
This sentence contradicts itself

>>282111342
>Kenken
Didn't take long for the Kensuke schizo to show up

>>282111638
He never actually watched Eva and has said that much. Most of what he knows is schioz things people reposts

>>282111638
Fyi, you anyone who randomly starts bringing up Rebuild while simultaneously sounding like they've 100% never watched Eva is most likely the usually schizo. Surprised it took him this long to show up

>>282111919
>>282111870
Now that you both pointed that out he's going to make to reply himself with a posts the agrees with him next.

>>282111342
>Souryuu Asuka to a T. Souryuu's fixation with Kaji speaks a lot about her daddy issues
How to know someone is a shitposter. She wanted a place to belonging like every other character in that movie. Her issues in Rebuild are completely different from NGE so there it's not "ironic" just you trying ti make a retarded Kensuke shitposts

>>282111870
>He never actually watched Eva and has said that much. Most of what he knows is schioz things people reposts
>>282112014
>How to know someone is a shitposter. She wanted a place to belonging like every other character in that movie. Her issues in Rebuild are completely different from NGE so there it's not "ironic" just you trying ti make a retarded Kensuke shitposts
Asushinturds unironically think i watched the rebuilds more times than the OG series when it was actually the opposite. Watched the OG all these times, so i can be confident on my words about Asuka utterly despising Shinji's existence. Explain then why Asuka lost her will to live after Shinji yelled at her Kaji was dead? It's obvious they couldn't stand each other after Leliel.

Outside of that,think on why in the last rebuild she told Mari "Shinji doesn't need a lover, but a mother" after goodbye-confessing him. It was Asuka projecting her need for a dad (given Shinji is a projection of Asuka's worst points and viceversa). She got it, now she can go fucking finger herself while projecting Kaji onto Kenken. Shinji got his mommywife after all, you can put the rebuild to rest and focus on the EvaTV+EoE, Anima and that Re:take doujin for all that i care.

>>282112477
>Asushinturds
Told you it was the Kensuke schizo

>>282112477
Your post is just pure ESL trash that makes zero sense while you cry about Asushin for some reason

assuka was designed to be peed on/in.

>>282112477
>Asushinturds unironically think i watched the rebuilds more times than the OG series when it was actually the opposite.
1) don't give a fuck about Asushin, just hate (You) for all the schizo spam you cause.

2)the whole point of that movie was getting over lost and finding a place to belong something Anno said.

My god, the fact you instantly started seething the moment people pointed you out as the Kensuke retard

>"schizo" makes a post
>3 buttblasted replies pop up immediately
every time

>>282112649
Kek, it do be like this.

>>282112649
>>282112477
>>282111342
Still ESL and still seething

>>282112649
>>282112664
>>282112477
Clean it up Jannies the schizo is really asshurt about getting called it

>>282112664
Ya hate to see it

Why are all Eva threads like this?

>>282112703
I don't hate it tho, he is my most reliable (You) provider on this board.

>>282096780 (OP)
>Self-image comes from other people first and foremost
Even if that were true and there was no possible way of improving your appearance and personality by picking up hobbies or going shopping for clothes and going to the hairstylist to a point where you like your vibe you could still leave your social circle to meet other people who would reflect a different idea of you onto you.

>>282096780 (OP)
director/write were woke

>>282112733
>>282112709
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>>282112649
>1 min apart
Reminder he has full conversations with himself to bait

>>282112709
because it's way too easy to trigger the anti schizo sperg
>>282112733
he is quite unhinged

>>282112776
sea kelp

>>282112790
>>282112733
>>282112733
>>282112709
Kiwifarms ass broke you

>>282112769
There's nothing you can do about your height or face, especially if you're a boy and can't wear make-up and heels. Hobbies can be a way to meet new people, but if you're not likeable, guess what, you won't make any friends. Shopping for clothes...? You must be a retarded female.

>>282112547
>>282112621
>>282112670
>>282112698
You seem assblasted about the truth.
Asushincucks, Asadone and poowerkeks shall be gassed and vanished from internet.

>>282109334
>They can't coexist together because they are a reflection of each other's lowest points.

What do you mean by that?

>>282110224
People in general don't like shy/introverted/insecure boys.

>>282098589
I watched it in my 20s instead of as a child and it’s incredibly obvious from that perspective how Shinji did literally nothing wrong he is a BABY. 14 is like a step up from infant

>>282111137
>Eva has had two different dubs.
Which one is better?

>>282112649
>>282112664
>>282112709
>>282112733
>>282112790
>282112852
uh of melty

>>282112909
I was called over from the CSM thread. What's this about?

P.S. Since I'm already here, Asuka is best Eva girl. But my favorite Eva character overall is Kaji. He was so cool.

>>282112894
>especially if you're a boy and can't wear make-up and heels
You could if you weren't a coward. Plenty do.
>but if you're not likeable
"Likeable" doesn't mean the same thing for everybody so there's really no point in thinking about that too hard. We all have the potential to be likeable to specific people in specific fields. Even a human sized slug is potentially likeable to a passionate slug scientist.
>Shopping for clothes...? You must be a retarded female
Well thank you, coming from someone with so many spiderwebs in their head that's pretty much a compliment.
Go shop for clothes and shower everyday you retard. I can't help but imagine the smell of you from here.

>>282096780 (OP)
Evangelion is just not a good show

>>282113101
I see you're having one right now, but how about you bear with it and stop making angry posts?

>>282096780 (OP)
His greatest sin is not becoming the femboy slut he was always meant to be.

>>282113193
Also I fully believe that Shinji's best romantic interest was Kaworu.
Putting aside the fact that Kaworu is an inhuman entity programed to bring destruction (and also a boy), they'd probably be a pretty healthy couple.

>>282113228
So that why you're seething and made this post >>282112709 >>282112649

Also stop larping
>>282113228
>>282113193
You did the Kawoshinfag larp already

>>282113384
Nah dude I just got here. Someone else made a post calling out kensuke schizo in /csm/ >>282112968

For the record, I think Asuka x Shinji is really entertaining and interesting, but (at least at the time the story takes place) they're both far too mentally unstable and neurotic to maintain a healthy relationship.

282113526
>performing a humiliation ritual to appease a random squizo
Weak.

>>282113761
>>282113526
>>282113346
>>282113193
It's really not hard to tell this is the Kensuke schizo because the fact all of his images don't show up in the archive. That's like the man thing the faggot does when he spams which is why people are able to pick him up fast

>>282113761
I don't get it.
What's the humiliation ritual?

>>282112937
>What do you mean by that?
Shinji on the outside, is everything Asuka despises about herself.
Asuka, on the outside, is the personification of all the negativity and darkest thoughts Shinji has about humankind and his circumstances.

You better wonder why the decision to turn all the survivors into Fanta came after Shinji choked Asuka and told Rei "nobody wants me, so everybody should just die". His last traumatic memory that triggered such a decision was Asuka rejecting him.

So jannies are goona clean this up

>>282113874
You're half right.
I am a schizo, but I'm not kensuke schizo. Arguably I'm more mentally ill than he is.
https://desuarchive.org/a/search/text/microcuck/

>>282113981
What is the context of the image?

>>282114064
Not good to run away from that hug.

>>282114098
True

Is kensukefag spamming gay pics?

>everyone I don't like is the same person!
seriously, shut the fuck up already.

>>282113266
That's the opposite of a sin my dude

>>282113907
What does Asuka despise about herself, exactly? Because from what I remember, she had a huge ego and her only insecurities came from being abandoned by her mother. Shinji could be described as indecisive, meek, emotionally needy yet afraid of others... Do you think those traits apply to Asuka?

>Asuka, on the outside, is the personification of all the negativity and darkest thoughts Shinji has about humankind and his circumstances.
>You better wonder why the decision to turn all the survivors into Fanta came after Shinji choked Asuka and told Rei "nobody wants me, so everybody should just die". His last traumatic memory that triggered such a decision was Asuka rejecting him.

Okay, that makes some sort of sense. I'm glad you explained it though.

What's with the Fujo posting.

>>282114802
>What does Asuka despise about herself, exactly? Because from what I remember, she had a huge ego and her only insecurities came from being abandoned by her mother. Shinji could be described as indecisive, meek, emotionally needy yet afraid of others... Do you think those traits apply to Asuka?
Asuka's inner self wanted attention and felt her only worth was being Eva 02's pilot, if she lost that duty, she'll feel like there's nothing left for her. Shinji openly asking for affection and showing he's nothing without being Eva 01's pilot was the reflection of that side of Asuka she despises. That's why she grew disfainful, resentful and contemptive about Shinji.

That's why she was a haughty egomaniac, because she tried desperately to hide that shit instead of pathetically begging for it like Ikari.

>>282096780 (OP)
Because Kensuke is a better character ofc.

>>282114602
You fucking idiot. There is only a single person who spams those threads and yes that's you. Can you just go and sell drugs in your favelas?

>Liked Eva and all the characters
>Was quite fond of Kensuke
>Character ruined by some schizo on /a/
truely an epic win for anon.

>>282115115
Kensuke posters is acting as a kawofag.

>>282116552
I honestly wish jannies would just go back to banning anyone who brings Kensuke up. At this point the only one who even mentions him is the schizo and we've had threads that that last days without any me mention of him. So it's honestly just that retard

>>282104631
>hating queers, women, and brown people
All true children of God are right to despise such things.

>>282116820
Well said

>>>282116816I honestly wish jannies would just go back to banning anyone who makes my weak ass hurt
I made this post
I mad at this post. This os me btw
WEAK ASS

>>282116816
Why are you mad?

>282116816
Kek, so mad.

Assuka is shit. It is just and necessary to persecute evaniggers.
Ban evanigger threads.

>>282096780 (OP)
His real greatest sin was letting loose his gamer gunk to a comatose red-haired German girl in a hospital bed.

>>282099826
retard, go back

>>282117584
Shinji was not a gamer. Asuka was, so she ought to appreciate some gamer gunk.

>>282117584
Does this really matter? I doubt Asuka remembered this at least once during their passionate lovemaking with Kensuke.

>>282117423
baste

>>282117651
I doubt you know English because that all types Of ESL

>>282117651
Look at that natural cocksucking slut

>>282116820
NTA more brown people love God than white people
Christianity is skyrocketing in Africa

>>282117759
nigga are you ok

projecting and obsessed.

>>282117759
respect boi

>>282117423
Reminder: THIS IS GROOMING, the exact sort of thing all the Zoomers say they dislike. Kaworu is an Angel. He is older than the Earth and a being of unfathomable power. The imbalance of age and authority here is considerable, and his encounters with Shinji can easily be construed as manipulation of a younger partner by an older one.

Now, I happen to find "problematic" pairings hot when they're done well, but it's funny that some of the same people who'd normally raise a fuss about this sort of thing don't for Kaworu/Shinji.

>>282109302
>if you don't believe me
Nigger you didn't watch Nadia, it's obvious.

>>282118238
zoomer opinions do not matter.

Threid needs more Rei

>>282118238
>He is older than the Earth
No he isn't.

>>282119006
I like Rei. She's cute.

>>282098091
>>282098748
>>282099765
I dunno, I think she was genuinely trying to do right by Shinji. Were her methods inappropriate and a bit fucked up? Could she have done more? Yes to both, but she was held together by duct tape and alcohol herself.

I feel if she was younger by 5 years she'd have saved humanity by fixing Shinji.

Shinji didn't deserve Kaworu.

>>282119211
>I dunno, I think she was genuinely trying to do right by Shinji
both things are true

>>282119267

real men love traumatized boys as the are and as they heal.

>>282119006
Eva needs a punished Rei spinoff.

Where she punishes.

>>282119614
she lied though, because she's a woman and that's what they do.

>>282117782
Because it's easy mode compared to Islam.

>>282117598
I will pray for you, that your mind be healed of its demons and you accept the temple God bestowed upon you was the one intended for you and you alone.

>>282119614
Why is there a debate who’s best girl for Shinji when every time these two interact they get along perfectly and mutually like each other

>>282096780 (OP)
this anime is gay
I repeat, this anime is gay
all anons itt should consult their local church and absolve

Asuka #1

>>282120159
>>282120322
when do I get my foreskin back, cultist?

>>282120629
at losing to Big K-man cock.

>>282120078
She didnt lie, there was pussy waiting for Shinji at her apartment.

Meow.

>>282120159
meds

>>282120989
>there was pussy waiting for Shinji at her apartment.
Whose?

>>282120786
Kay, bee, sea.

>>282121104
>>282120786
Why is it that when people ignore you, you just start replying to yourself like we all don't know it's you.

>>282121284
He's a lolcow. And one this always replying to himself see >>282112776

Jannies ip wiped him last week doing it. He eve. Uses the same /dbs/spic talk that nobody finds funny.

Sizewise, Rei's ass > Shinji's > Asuka's

>>282121408
Rei also has nicer tits

>>282096780 (OP)
Self image comes from your idea of what other people think of you not from actually other people.

>>282096780 (OP)
>Self-image
>other people
Retard.

>>282099217
>And she repeatedly tries to use sex to manipulate him
>Asuka never shows the slightest bit of affection toward him. She also uses sex against him.
Something else that those two also did that kind of ticked me off was that they also always took jabs of Shinji's masculinity to play on his insecurities and get him to do stuff he didn't want when most of the time his reasoning was sound and understandable. Saying stuff "you're a man aren't you" when he brings up a reasonable objection or concern.

>>282099217
Here's my take:

Shinji didn't sacrifice the world on purpose to save Rei, nor was it his fault or machination to begin with.

So with that out of the way, if I were in his shoes, and I KNEW it'd fuck the world, I'd still do it to save Rei.
Hell I'd push the doompedal extra hard to make sure none of those WILLE ingrates make it out alive.

>>282121805
>>282121818
It’s a bit of a comfort to know it really is just effeminate reishippers fucking Eva threads up.

>>282122067
Sir my post is merely a demonstration of disgust targeted towards the Rebuild, WILLE in particular.

That said, I know ((who)) is fucking up Eva threads and it ain't the Rei boys.

>>282121408
Shinji has a bigger ass than Asuka?

>>282122232
Yes, Asuka is a failure of a woman.

>>282122067
Because real men want Asuka to step on their balls

>>282121805
I almost forgot about that. Wasn't it Asuka who told him "men are supposed to fix things, not create problems"? I guess it's realistic writing, because a lot females use those tactics in real life, but I wish Anno didn't hate otakus so much.

>>282122433
>Wasn't it Asuka who told him "men are supposed to fix things, not create problems"? I guess it's realistic writing, because a lot females use those tactics in real life, but I wish Anno didn't hate otakus so much.
So Anno agrees with Asuka's saying or he's just trying to portray a realistic female persepctive?

>>282122510
She actually says something along the lines of “Do you really think it’s your fault [that the water is hot].” It’s a criticisms of evasiveness as defense. We can assume this critique comes from Anno’s perspective.

>>282122067
How do you get Reisipper from my post? I'm an asukafag I just didn't bring up Rei because she's the only one who doesn't use Shinji's masculinity against him
>>282122433
>I guess it's realistic writing, because a lot females use those tactics in real life
Yeah that's partly why it ticked me off it felt relatably frustrating as someone who lives in a culture that does that a lot as well as a family of mostly women who do it to me too

>>282122755
ReiFishGOD, I kneel

>>282122607
>It’s a criticisms of evasiveness as defense.
How?

>>282122860
She basically accuses him of using empty apologies to avoid conflict, which causes him to apologize again.

>>282113099
Coal wars

>>282122946
He's a wise guy. Most people wouldn't push further as long as you admit you are in the wrong.

>>282115115
I forget that people don't know the total deluge of Kawoshin art that gets made on like an hourly basis

>>282124140
What is that?

>>282124245
"They both suck [by nature of being dubs]"

>>282124244
Some things in life are as they should be. Not many, but some.
I love boys so much it's unreal

>>282124630
Reminds me I have a couple of unscanned Kawoshin books that I just don't have an editor/translator for...

>>282111137
>I think it's less of a matter of it being related to "anime fans" but people balking at "someone who doesn't like themselves."
If it was a cute girl, people would be lapping it up. I guess it still matters on the execution, depends on if they make the effort to improve themselves, instead of being pathetic.

>>282124695
nice, hopefully fortune smiles upon you.