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Which genre is better?

They don't really make BL anime so I have no idea

>>283182162 (OP)
Right unironically clears hard even if you only used the first two rows

>>283182162 (OP)
>Right has CLAMP
They win

>>283182162 (OP)
BL by a mile

>>283182190
>>283182221
>>283182232
There's a high degree of literal faggotry in this thread.

>>283182162 (OP)
wtf is "BL"?

>>283182250
Because literally everyone on the yuri side is straight because lesbianism is just a phase

>>283182264
big ladies

>>283182264
It's a BLT without tomato because I don't like tomatoes

I don't think I've seen/read a single thing on the right

>>283182275
I haven't even read everything on the left and I can count at least 5 where that doesn't happen.

This is literally the last page of Citrus.

>>283182162 (OP)
Yuri, it can be kino at times, while Yaoi is only slop for fujos.

>Bunch of series still regarded as classics decades later
vs
>Some shit women stopped fingering themselves to the second a new one came out
This is tough...

>>283182330
Is there a single country on earth that will let you gay marry your sister? Pretty sure everywhere will do one or the other and highly frown on the one they don't do

>>283182162 (OP)
Shit chart. Subtext on both sides and shit like TSHD is apparently definitely NOT BL according to the qweer author.

>>283182352
>Based yuri
>Read by and published in magazines targeting men and women alike
>Gay yaoi
>Targets exclusively degenerate fujoshis who would be just as happy discussing whether the salad fork gets topped by the pasta fork

Seriously it's really difficult to ascertain which if these genres is better.

>>283182162 (OP)
Yuri has more appeal
But the right objectively by a mile has better writing and impact

>>283182162 (OP)
It's basically Yaoibait > Yuri > Yaoi > Yuribait.

>>283182376
Step-sibling marriage is perfectly legal in Japan, and Yuzu and Mei aren't blood related (no matter how much Yuzu wishes they were).

Ignore the fact that the ending of Citrus was written before two women could actually get married though. Pretty sure it was just a ceremonial thing and not a legally binding union.

>>283182418
Pretty much. Yuribait is the worst but Yaoibait is just something Fujos love more than actual Yaoi.

>>283182438
It doesn't even have to be bait for fujoshis to pretend that it is. I was fucking floored when I first saw the discourse surrounding Sk8 the Infinity. You can't even skateboard with your bro without desperate fujos insisting that there's endless gay subtext.

>>283182421
You can't possibly get more "it's a phase" than having your performative big day wedding ceremony as soon as possible while you're still a minor and not saving the big moment for when it actually counts

>>283182438
And yet yaoi mag editors keep going "fujos are dumb and dont like plot"

>>283182162 (OP)
Go to any website and sort by ranking, you'll have your answer when you see the same chinese manga with the boy wearing the hat near the top

>>283182500
Have you actually read Citrus? Because there's a considerable time skip between the end of the story proper and their wedding.

And literally all same-sex marriage in Japan was performative when that manga was published. But you don't seem to think male homosexuality is just a phase.

I think you might just be a gay dude who loves cock and hates lesbians my dude.

>>283182417
>yuri has more appeal
Not in Japan (or the west for that matter) I'd argue. Most yuri romance is too CGDCT-like for most people to even consider picking it up. Meanwhile, people usually don't have an issue with sports and battle shounen shows where the boys are vaguely gay for each other.

>>283182162 (OP)
I don't watch LGBT anime

>>283182476
Yaoibait shows know that fujos are part of the audience and don't hide it. That's why the merchandise/magazine images for "non-yaoi" series like Mob Psycho or Osumatsu-san look completely different in tone to the actual series. It's because they know the portion of the fans that are actually buying merch are fujos.

>>283182592
How is that merch for fujos? It looks more for yumes than anything.

>>283182559
>do exactly this on MangaDex
>multiple yuri in the top 50
>literally one yaoi manga

>>283182577
Unearned timeskip endings are non-canon as a rule, and of course male homosexuality can't be a phase because you can't un-have cock shoved up your arse

>>283182417
>Yuri has more appeal
???
>As of 2019, the manga "Patalliro" had over 25 million copies in circulation, making it one of the best-selling manga series of all time.[9]
No yuri has sold even close to this

>>283182642
Oh so you're literally just retarded. Got it. My bad for attempting to entertain a discussion here.

>>283182592
Mob whoring himself out for fujo dollars...

>>283182559
Just did that in a minute

>>283182667
How were the points that timeskips are a shitty copout way to end a story and that there are obvious physiological differences involved in homosexuality between the two genders the points that you folded on?

>>283182626
>implying there isn't a huge overlap between yumes and fujos
Not to mention fujos always give the excuse of not liking female characters because seeing them "reminds them too much of irl misogyny," so projecting onto an uke (or seme if they have dick envy/are a tranny) feels "safer" for them.

>>283182162 (OP)
qualia alone mogs all the shows in the right

>>283182734
Non-BL shoujo and josei doesn't sell nearly as well and I don't think many fujos are reading that much heterosexual romance.

>>283182734
Thats just because if fujo don't have an excuse, people will say they hate themselves/hate women.
Lot of women find fujos utterly disgusting because drawing hot men being gay is ntr'ing then. They hate it more than men and will call fujo anything, woman hating/self hating/ugly/self inserting/rapist/racist/homophobic/transphobic/trans ally etc. Anything to get them to stop liking gay dudes.

>>283182162 (OP)
BL wins because all the titles on the list are actually BL while the yuri list has many moe titles

>>283182352
Do women seriously finger themselves to yuri? The ones I've read were pretty tame. Plus most yuri readers are probably men.

>yet another yuri vs. yaoi thread, teh fujo wimminz are le bad edition
Do you fags never get bored of discussing the same things every day?

>>283182865
So you haven't read any of the series on either side?

>>283182592
>>283182675
I still remember the mental shock I had when I saw MP100 for the first time after seeing a lot of fan art of Mob and Reigen and being convinced by a couple of anons on /cm/. I genuinely believed that the anime was a comfy SoL about a father and his shy son and that fan artists simply liked incest, but after watching the first episode and seeing that the art style wasn't even similar to most of the fan art and that the story was a comedy about a group of dorks with powers and ghosts, I could only wonder, “how the fuck did this produce so much art that doesn't resemble it at all?”
Even so, I enjoyed watching the first two seasons of Mob.
Pic related, one of the fan works that made me think Mob and Reigen were relatives.

>>283183096
Nagai said Devilman is a love story between Akira and Ryo. Sure, Ryo is a hermaphrodite but he fell in love with Akira as a man. Besides, all ukes are technically hermaphrodites considering the yaoi hole is a fully functional vagina

>>283183215
Akira literally fucked reincarnated female Ryo in the sequel. That's at least half gay.

>>283183265
They're soulmates

>>283183215
The yaoi hole was pretty much criticized to extintion outside omegaverse, most bl mention enemas offscreen or have them read sex ed manuals and mention gay culture. Super alpha ceo and basically girl uke have also gone out of style.
Bl as a genre has probably changed the most out of any.

>>283183427
The Omegaverse is huge these days. It even made it into anime.

>>283183427
1970s-80s aesthetic needs to come back

>>283183465
Its large but its a small percentage in the grand scheme of bl. Its not even the only "verse".

>>283182162 (OP)
Why is Demon Slayer and Blue Lock missing on right?

>>283182162 (OP)
I can forgive lesbians but not gay men

Right has over 6 canonical masterpieces on it, the left has Utena and MariMite, nothing else

>>283183808
And LycoReco and Citrus and Watatabe and Yuru Yuri

>>283183808
You forgot Flip Flappers, Qualia, Oniisama e, and maybe Kimitsuzu.

>>283182162 (OP)
>Boy meets Maria
Man, I’m still sad

>>283183808
Be fair
>Yuri Canon
Qualia
Oniisama e
Flip Flappers
Utena
Marimite
Kannazuki no Miko
Citrus (caused the yuri boom)
Nanoha (solely responsible for Magical Girl becoming the yuri genre)
That's 8

>>283182162 (OP)
The one you personally prefer, idiot.

>>283182802
Nah, hetero shoujosei is still one of the best-selling categories. Picrel came out this week and sold almost 90k in just 3 days counting only physical sales. Although, to be honest, it has the extra added appeal of the FMC having the ability to change gender and become a man, so I'm sure there are some fujoshis out there who like it.

>>283183716
Gay men read seinen with gay characters, not BL, that’s exclusively for women

>>283183842
>>283183846
None of those other than Oniisama e are even remotely close to being masterpieces. Something you enjoy =/= a masterpiece. Also
>LycoReco
Oh yes the one where the only homosexuality is the interracial middle aged gay couple and zero lesbians. A modern yuri masterpiece.

>>283182418
In what context does bait serve, and could you name some examples.

>>283184228
I've never seen a more wrong opinion.
>zero lesbians
If fujos can have YoI, yurifags can have LR.

>>283182162 (OP)
Right clears hard even if I ignore the bait on the left

>>283183577
There’s nothing gay in DS and Blue lock is just bait, if anything the gayest shonen is Yu Yu Hakusho because there is a relevant gay couple, or Stop Hibari-kun (although this is more trapshit)

>>283183955
Citrus is one of my all time favorite manga but it definitely does not deserve to be called a masterpiece. The ending is too rushed to really even qualify it as "great". It's a wonderful dumpster fire and I re-read it at least once a year, but a masterpiece is is not. Yuzu is, however, an all time best girl.

That said, I'll die on the hill that both Bloom Into You and The Summer You Were There are among the best manga ever written, and both of those are in the OP. The latter is just straight up my favorite manga.

>>283184362
Gayest shōnen is Reborn! Not because of any underlying homoeroticism, but because of the art style.

Amano knew what she was doing.

>>283184346
If anything LR belongs to fujos too as it has a canon gay pairing. At least appropriate Madoka, that one is a masterpiece and I doubt anyone will deny that Homura loves Madoka.

>>283184400
>I doubt anyone will deny that Homura loves Madoka.
I take it you haven't been in Madoka threads lately.

>>283182264
Bald lemmings

>>283182162 (OP)
>2nd row is overrated slop
>4th row is just straight dogshit
Better question would be "What genre is worse than yuri?"

>>283184346
>if fujos can have yoi
Lmao I never watched licoris why do you speak like there's a female love interest for Yuri in yoi

>>283184506
>there's a female love interest for Yuri in yoi
There's no male love interest in LR either.

>>283182303
You should start with picrel, it's very beginner friendly.

>>283182796
???

>The Heart of Thomas - significantly influenced shōjo manga as a medium, with many of the stylistic and narrative hallmarks of the series becoming standard tropes of the genre. The series has attracted considerable scholarly interest both in Japan and internationally, and has been adapted into a film, a stage play, and a novel.

>Kaze to Ki No Uta - Won the 1979 Shogakukan Manga Award in both the shōjo, It is regarded as a pioneering work of shōnen-ai, and is credited by critics with widely popularizing the boys love genre along with huge influence on Berserk and Revolutionary Girl Utena. Kaze to Ki no Uta contributed significantly to the development of male–male romance manga through its depiction of sex. Previously, sex in shōjo manga was confined almost exclusively to doujinshi, the popularity of Kaze to Ki no Uta prompted a boom in the production of commercially published shōnen-ai beginning in the late 1970s, and the development of a more robust yaoi doujinshi subculture.

>Cruel God's Reign - It was recognized with the inaugural Tezuka Osamu Cultural Prize Award for Excellence.

>Tokyo Babylon - Tokyo Babylon is recognized as a pioneering work of the shōnen-ai genre (an early predecessor to modern Boys' Love) and is famous for its portrayal of a young homosexual relationship. Its exploration of the relationship between Subaru and Seishiro is considered one of its greatest strengths and it's infamous cliffhanger ending in the sequel X/1999 which sold over 12 million copies

>Mo Dao Zu Shi - Grandmaster of Demonic Cultivation has attracted a record readership on Jinjiang Literature City and in print, and the series as a whole with its various adaptations has drawn in a devoted and international fan base. The TV series received overwhelmingly positive reviews for its high production quality and storyline, and amassed a notable Internet fandom both in China and overseas with 4.63 billion views in the first 2 years.

>>283184386
Kek, at the end fujobait manga like that always end up getting stuck in a dead end. In katekyo, the hetero couple that had been established since chapter 1 never ends up getting fully confirmed because the male interests were more popular. In Haikyuu, the entire cast ended up being late 20s-30 years old and absolutely none of the them (nor their rivals) except one got a girlfriend. In Owari no seraph, the author had the MC reject the FMC, but he also can't make his relationship with his gay bro canon. Etcetc

>>283184525
Then how come even I, who's never watched it, know about the gaunt guy with wavy hair by sheer board osmosis

>>283184566
Because shitposters want to attract the attention of one particular yurifag.

>>283184576
Fair enough, this could happen

>>283184346
This is a true masterpiece and arguably the best manga ever, but not canonized since Yurifags watch / read slice of life school drama

>>283184599
That's because there's not a lot of series that combine yuri with action/plot elements. But the ones that do like Otherside Picnic and TenTen are pretty beloved.

>>283184542
>the hetero couple that had been established since chapter 1 never ends up getting fully confirmed because the male interests were more popular
Seriously? You mean she did all the laundry of the main cast the whole manga for naught? Poor girl

>>283184541
>3 genre defining works written by one woman back to back to back
Genuinely incredible

>>283184628
More than a housewife, less than lovers.

>>283184566
Some guys got mindbroken because the main character shared a soda can with him and it was technically an indirect kiss (although the scene had 0 romantic subtext) and one guy made its whole personality to keep baiting them about it and another one, or himself, decided to make falling in the bait his

>>283184541
Little Mushroom was critically acclaimed and got a award for best Sci-Fi work
Summer Hikaru Was there won various awards and has a massive anime show now
Patalliro sold 25 million copies and is one of the longest running manga ever written, also the first depiction of the subject matter in anime

>>283184682
Kekarooo well I mean she was pretty shit but man, it's not right to lead a girl on like this just so you can get free labor. Typical of mafia though

>>283184701
My condolences, that sounds annoying

>>283184976
Little Mushroom's apocalypse was hardcore. The scene where the uke calls the seme a good man only for the seme to look him straight in the eye and tell the soldiers to drop the nuke was hilarious though.