Thread 283474629

>don't get difficult 2deep4u shows
>maybe it's just me
>start reading classics
>plots are clear and never obfuscated
>show don't tell is not a thing
Am I missing something? Are these just a bait for pseuds?

>>283474629 (OP)
naruto and opm s1 brutally mogs these tryhard slops. i don't get it why pseudo-elitists take pride in liking these fake anime

>>283474629 (OP)
People who think these are top shows just want to feel different. They arent bad thought, specially haibane

>>283474629 (OP)
>show don't tell is not a thing
Show dont tell only works if the info is present. If you make random things thats just poor writing.

>>283474629 (OP)
all of these have simple plots, you just want everything spelled out for you

>>283474629 (OP)
Show don't tell is just a guideline for amateurs who tend to do too much telling. There are no hard rules to writing, or art in general.
Besides, most people who use the phrase as criticism don't even understand its meaning. The infamous page from HxH, for example, is showing, not telling.

what classics?

>>283474629 (OP)
Dude you're expecting too much from cartoons. It's cartoons made for early teens.

>>283474801
Homer, Virgil, and Ovid

>>283474828
simpson?

>>283474629 (OP)
>start reading classics
Sure you did.

>>283474843
>inb4 translations don't count

Yes, though some 2deep4you shows and movies are good despite their nature. Haibane, Lain, Angel's Egg and most Satoshi Khon movies are good because they have artistic merit, not because of some heavy philosophical theme. And yes the Classics are clear as water and not hard to read. These "2deep4u" anime follow filmographic styles rather than literary fiction styles because anime is a visual medium.

>>283474923
>most Satoshi Khon movies are good
Which one isn't?

>>283474629 (OP)
none of those are difficult to understand

>>283474629 (OP)
Penguindrum is about the year of the Linux desktop.
How hard is it to understand?!

>>283474629 (OP)
>Are these just a bait for pseuds?
Basically yes. They're artslop for schizos. I like every single one of them.

>>283474923
>most Satoshi Khon movies are good because they have artistic merit
they're ugly as fuck

>>283474828
Internet "literature experts" citing hundred year old books as something genius when in college they teach how those books are terrible written and only started some styles is always funny to me

>>283474629 (OP)
>>283474658
>>283474676
>>283474824
Filtered. 1000s of years of artistic evolution lead to anime, cinema is the 7th artform and animation is the pinnacle of cinema, and anime is the pinnacle of animation. And these "2ddep4u" shows are the pinnacle of anime.
You were filtered by peak art. Because you are too stupid to get it. You're just literally too stupid. You might as well go back to watching Marvel movies and Netflix and stop pretending that you care about art at all.

Admittedly some of them are not good, but they all offer something in the domain of aesthetics, or story that you at the very least have to respect them.
Especially compared with the slop that is most movies and most films, if you had proper context, you'd bow your head in front of these shows and their creators and proclaim "I don't deserve you."

You are clearly lacking context about what is good aesthetics, the history of anime, cinema and art. And you don't understand what is good in general.
You have not done enough philosophizing and deep thinking in you life, you lead an NPC life, you'll never get it.

>>283474987
>Paprika
>Milenium Actress
Stfu

>>283474992
Yeah, I'd definitely trust some English teachers who've never made anything significant over Dante and Milton

>>283474956
I haven't seen all of them so I can't judge his work with honesty.

>>283474629 (OP)
Yes, you are 100% right, friend.

>>283475011
Marvel author created a billion dollar ip but if my friend says to me his movies are trash i believe him because indeed they are dogshit. You just lack critical thinking skills

>>283474828
Literally no way, you understood any of this. It's so removed from your culture and live experience, you're just being a poser.
You don't even have a sense for meter in English let alone in Greek and Latin, and that's the whole point of poetry.

>>283474629 (OP)
>daily midwit thread where all the midwits gather and shit on intellectual masterpieces to feel good about themselves

>>283475116
>intellectual masterpieces
>FLCL

>>283475006
This, but, uhm, unironically...

>>283474629 (OP)
>Ergo Proxy
Why it's on the list?

>>283475106
>Literally no way, you understood any of this.
>Homer is rapid in his movement, Homer is plain in his words and style, Homer is simple in his ideas, Homer is noble in his manner.
>--On Translating Homer by Matthew Arnold

>>283474923
>>283475006
>>283475150
>65 IQ

>>283475163
Yeah, Yeah, sure. But you're still a poser. This stuff means nothing to you.
It meant something to a bunch of intellectuals in the 1800s who grew up learning about, deciphering, and discussing this stuff with their intellectual friends.
Learning about Greek and Roman civilization and using it as a lens to view their own times.

It means nothing to you, an internet poser whose just reading it for credibility points. Who probably doesn't enjoy poetry in his own mother tongue.

>>283474629 (OP)
In what world are Penguin Drum, FLCL, and Haibane Renmei 2deep4u? How do you even put those in the same conversation as something like Lain?

>>283475447
All of them are poorly written and internet nerds claim they are deep

>>283475042
The kind of embarrassing photo you won't see outside of an anonymous imageboard.

>>283475480
Oh, okay.

The curtains are blue did irreparable damage to literacy.

>>283474629 (OP)
these are only difficult or obscure if you dont consume any media outside of anime

>>283475486
Nothing is embarrassing about it, friend.

>>283474629 (OP)
>READ the classics
>SHOW don't tell is not a thing
Can't even tell if this is bait anymore or if the avg IQ of this board's users simply happens to be below 80.

>>283475778
Because it's not? When Homer describes something, he clearly describes it in the way that people would understand. If anything, it's show and tell

>reading Homer
lol
lmao

>>283475816
Here is the thing about show and tell that a lot of casual readers do not realise.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with just telling or just showing, as long as you do this well. It seems obvious, but when you check all the threads here or reddit about this, they seem not to understand that. A lot of classic authors only tell, not show, because they are simply very good at it.

I would recommend this book to understand this.

>>283475816
No it isn't. You're being TOLD. The whole idea of show don't tell fundamentalmy requires that you pick up on relevant information autonomously, you fucking mouth breather. If I tell you what the room looks like you're being told that information. The same way you're being told about everything else in literature. NOTHING IS BEING SHOWN TO YOU, everything is being stated. It is impossible for you pick up on relevant information yourself cause literature as a medium doesn't allow for it. If it's stated, it may be relevant. That's not how it works in film. You're not told what the closeup means. It represents an emotion, but nobody tells you which. You feel that information autonomously. Kill yourself.

this thread is filled with homersexuals

>>283475892
>it's another episode of anon's impassioned monologue that makes no impact on anyone reading it

>>283475892
how could anyone reach this level of pseudery

>>283475892
You have no idea what "show don't tell" means.

>>283474629 (OP)
>classics
Anne of Green Gables is literally a children's book, anon

>>283475892
Monseigneur seems rather foolish.

>>283475992
Kys bookworm. There is no showing in literature no matter how hard you vermin try to pretend there is. You're not smart enough to even pick up on information yourself. All you do is tell. For everything.

>>283475892
your mind is gonna be blown when you find out about poetry

>>283474629 (OP)
Why did you make this post and attach a chart with FLCL and Flip Flappers
In what world would FLCL and Flip Flapper be considered abstruse

>>283476090
Some people says they are deep because they dont make sense. The reality is that they are trash

>>283476090
To this day nobody can explain their plots. They fit firmly in the same league as the other heckin aesthetic senseless anime.

>>283476154
The far more common occurrence is that anon simply has no lit education and accuses something of trying and failing to be deep when it's just normal and he didn't get it

>>283476221
Everything is deep if you think it is

>>283476090
FLCL is profound, Flip Flapper is not.

>>283476283
Outside of the 3 basic metaphores its random and not deep

>>283476311
You simply don't get it. It's about the energy, nothing ever like it has ever existed until it came around. It captured a whole zeitgeist.

>>283474629 (OP)
These anime aren't bait but your thread sure is

>>283474629 (OP)
FLCL isn't even hard to understand. Why is it on there?

>>283476327
Then its "important", not good nor deep

>>283474629 (OP)
>consuming art for the plot
Rookie move. Come back when you've left your teenage years behind. What you don't seem to understand is that most significant art isn't being made to tell stories or tell you what is the right thing to do. That's what we did when we didn't know any better. When people needed to be told what's virtuous and what isn't. It's not the antique anymore. If you need fiction to tell you what is right or how to live your life, perhaps you should stop consuming it and live life instead. You have that option. People back when those stories were written did not.

>>283476484
>Solo leveling fans defending their shitshow

There's not a term that midwits are more scared of more than "interpretation". It makes them aware of how there's nothing going on inside their heads

>>283476513
If you have to interpret most of the story, it means it's incomplete, or rather, poorly written.

>>283476513
>the only way to create discussion is to not have an ending
you know, there's a thing called symbolism

>>283474629 (OP)
>Are these just a bait for pseuds?
Yes, anyone who says otherwise is illiterate

>>283476433
Those two things are one and the same. Every good work of art is important and vice versa.

>>283476618
The first anime is important for the medium. Is it necessarily profound?

>>283474629 (OP)
Anime is like fast food. The moment they try to be something better, they become utter trash.

>>283476678
What is the first anime? those 30s animation are profound yes, the Spider and the Tulip is good yes, some of the earliest anime from the 50s and so on are profound as well.
One could argue whether the 60s anime were really important because anime was just copying Disney with cost cutting measures, cost cutting defined the medium at the time, so there are commercial elements at play.
Would Katsuhiro Otomo still have existed if it wasn't for Tezuka's tv animations, maybe?
And what even is anime? as it started to separate from western animation and gain its own characteristics in the 80s, and the works that contributed to that be it Yamato, Gundam 0079, Roses of Versailles are all good.

There's all kind of complicated nuances going on here. But yeah if it's important it's good, and if it's good it's important.
If I were to make distinction, I would say important in an artistic sense, as it innovated, did its own thing, inspired a lot of artists. And not just in a commercial sense.
FLCL wasn't about cost cutting, it was a bunch of very talented artists doing their own thing in a 6 episode OVA, given the freedom to go completely crazy and showcase their talents.

>>283476084
OP wasn't talking about poetry, you imageboard-illiterate cretin.

>>283475892
That's not what show don't tell means but I agree fundamentally that show don't tell is far more effective in visual media. The best visual media are always show don't tell and anyone who disagrees is gay, trans, and a pseud.

>>283477125
I don't give a shit about what litnerds pretend it means. There is no showing in literature, period. If you're being told that an alley looks dreary, or that a character smiles, then the impetus for the emotion you feel is given by what was stated. You're being showed into the direction you're expected to feel abd it happens because it was literally said. Whereas these same people would watch a film and not even pick up on 80% of the Information transmitted because can't pick up color unless the author reads it out loud to them. The traditional use of show don't tell is antiquated cause we've got media that actually show things now.

>>283475870
Any other insights from this book that helped you?

>>283475447
>>283476154
>>283476182
FLCL is deep. It is the purest kind of depth, the kind you have to intuit because it is impossible to explain in words. This type of depth is typically not understood by midwits and the low IQ, as well as autistic people, all of whom populate message boards like 4chan. This is why "literary criticism" (not analysis, that's different) exists, it's pure cope by mediocre people who are unable to intuitively appreciate great art. They wanted to feel included in art discourse, so they invented a new, low-effort way of engaging with art that requires every plot point, theme, and character motivation to be spelled out in words. Then they (You) apply this lazy, unintuitive method to all art in order to try and shift art discourse away from the soul and toward the brain, but in doing so you have degraded the very concept of art. Great art is meant to be experienced, like God, not understood like a textbook.
>>283476283
Good post, fellow art appreciator.

>>283476580
but how you read a symbol and whether you recognize it for one at all, that's the process of interpretation.

>>283477327
>it's deep because it made me feel that it's deep, why? it's hecking beyond words
definitional pseudery

>>283477282
>litnerds pretend it means
litnerds and theatrenerds came up with the term retard, why are you using it if you don't care for their opinion?

>>283477327
I agree with your general point about art needing to be experience and great art being beyond words.
But I'm skeptical about your broader claims about literary criticism being a conspiracy by the masses to cope with their inability to understand great art.
I would just say instead that the internet is filled with idiots and low quality criticism coming from said idiots who never engaged deeply with art, nor do they seem to want to engage deeply with it.
20 years of internet and resources being available and many of them are still stupid idiots who understand nothing, and don't even put the bare minimum effort into learning about anime; and trying to piece together why a certain piece of media might have been so important.

>>283474629 (OP)
Char's Counterattack is the actual midwit-filter anime, not any of these

>>283474629 (OP)
Inherent differences in media.

Literary complexity is usually in the difficulty of syntax/words etc.. It's only when you get into pomo crap that it just becomes meaningless gibberish.

Pictoral gibberish is very different from written gibberish. You can still elicit a response from random sensory inputs, but when it's just random words it's meaningless.

>>283477477
movies can be complete gibberish too.

>>283477457
>This midwit post
You don't even get that nobody is talking about importance, you impotent pseud. Something being artistically significant and something being important to their medium aren't remotely the same thing.

>>283477327
>It is the purest kind of depth, the kind you have to intuit because it is impossible to explain in words
Or maybe is just a mess without meaning, its just a chinese cartoon not a supernatural event. Is like saying a blank paper is deep using the same argument.

>>283477528
They are interchangeable enough for the purposes of the conversation. Go back to my post and plug in whichever one you like.

>>283477327
I was 30 seconds into writing a reply before I realized I had been trolled. Good show, anon.

>>283477327
FLCL fans have enough brain cells not to shit themselves and post every 3 minutes that their favorite show is profound when in reality is just an animation test with 0 meaning but their simple minds are unable to understand that not every bad written piece of media has a meaning.

>>283477572
It's a Chinese cartoon made by some of the most talented people at the turn of the millennium. It took us 100s of years to get to that point.
It might as well have been a supernatural event, you take great things too much for granted.
Billions of well fed people around the world, only a handful of them could animate as well as the Yoshinari brothers.
It's literally a miracle that we've been building up to, a product of peak civilization and culture, like our supercomputers, the F-35 but to you they are just chunks of metal.

>>283474629 (OP)
I could swear EP has somebody say "cogito, ergo sum xd". Stuff like this is too on the nose. You can tell it's doing that to give the illusion, the air of being deep. It's insulting, manipulative forced deep. The watcher notices "oh my god, French words were spoken" and it looks deep because the screenwriter added fancy words, the pseud cycle. Bait for pseuds.

>>283474658
It's always a narutard who is the one posting this insecure garbage

>>283477697
>cogito, ergo sum
>French words
bro...

>>283477697
Smartest shounenspics

>>283477672
Based FLCLchad.

>>283477672
Most intelligent flcl fan (they dont understand what they are watching)

>>283477672
Still a mess without meaning, stop with the mental gymnastics

funny thing is that these are actually great shows. But sadly gen z "fans" labeled them as "obscure anime" or "hidden gems".

So you will find tons of dumbass kids who think they are smart or stylish for enjoying these.

>>283477697
have a (You) friend

>>283476443
I look like that amd say that but the other 99% is Congolese

You guys would die watching Twin Peaks.