Thread 283539568

Add both the good and the bad. What would probably not be the case in your life if it wasn't for anime?

>>283539568 (OP)
Anime made me more feminist, more anti-imperialist, and more anti-racist

I guess as far as the bad, it’s made me more of a shut in

>>283539568 (OP)
I wouldn't be jacked and hot with long hair. I wouldn't have the courage to be as honest and open when it comes to my purity preferences in women. I just really want to be someone's first and only choice in life.

>>283539644
Exact opposite for me unironically. I'm a judgemental right wing extrovert

>>283539706
That’s because of the neonazi pedophile echo chamber, not because of anime. None of those right wing views are found in anime which overwhelming supports progressive ideology and makes direct critiques of right wing political structures in Japan and around the world.

>>283539568 (OP)
I would fap only to real person porn

2D is objectively better for not hurting real people

>>283539752
I disagree. I've been right wing well before I ever got to interact with any people online, my parents were super strict because they were worried about pedophiles online lol. The aspect that makes anime worlds so appealing is the depiction of high trust societies due to an insane level of homogeneity and tribal peaceful coexistence. There's a reason Hollywood movies pushing progressive agendas fail and anime is booming, everyone collectively despises bowing to minorities and degeneracy, anime is a form of safe haven for most

I became a vtuber

>>283539902
See you’re just making up total bullshit because you’re a tourist who doesn’t actually watch anime. I can easily point to something like Code Geass as a major series that directly attacks right wing politics and supports progressive notions of intersectional coalition violently overthrowing tyranny.
The views you have are the stock racism and bigotry used to tell an audience who is a villain in anime. Racism and bigotry are always depicted as wrong.

You will never cite specific anime that promote your views because you can only pretend to be anything other than a tourist by making generic statements about what anime are like that aren’t even true.

>>283539568 (OP)
normalfag thread

>3pdp thread
kill yourself

ninibros...

>>283539752
>overwhelming supports progressive ideology
Do you have an example?
>right wing political structures
What would that be?
In general, anime is extremely conservative and shows a lot of respect for Japan's traditional social order and former aristocracy. You just sound like you're repeating a tumblr blog or something.

>>283540092
Notice that you have to ignore the example I gave right there in that post. And how you will never give an example of an anime that endorses racism.

Eureka Seven is another classic example, or Gurren Lagann, pretty much any mecha you can name. What is Martian Successor Nadesico about? Where do you see your bigotry reflected in Gunbuster?

Respect for Japan as it is? Anime is rooted in counterculture. The cruelty of capitalism and business culture in Japan are standard fare across the medium. Did you miss that the power of a work like Serial Experiments Lain comes from how it reflects the ennui that comes from living in a broken society?
Or look at the acclaimed films of Satoshi Kon. What threats are the source of tension in his thrillers?

You tourists are all just total posers lol

>>283539568 (OP)
Nice reddit thread

>>283540049
3 pimension dig pisgusting

>>283540285
All of your examples are normalfag shows, one of which being sheer nonsense that means nothing, that are intentionally written to be politically provocative. They don't represent the ordinary standard in anime which is support for the status quo and respect for Japan's traditions.
> Anime is rooted in counterculture.
Do you have evidence of this? Being anti war is not counterculture btw.

>>283540003
>Tourist
Idk really, I've been watching since I was 4, so 18 years now in total. Doubt there's more than 5 people online that have seen more shows than me on this board rn.
>intersectional coalition violently overthrowing tyranny
Been a while since I watched CG, I get where you're coming from tho, I remember the Britain x Japan dynamic and the horribly written scene where the Japs in the crowd get shot because his ability got used on accident or some shit. Either way, fighting tyranny is, if at all, a general umbrella aspect of most anti authority political movements, right wing ones included. Coalitions between different tribal groups really imply more a need for it rather than love and coexistence between them, just think of the US and Soviet Union in WW2. The sole reason you consider it progressive is that you view any form of unanimously accepted good outcome in a historic context to be a step dictated by progressivism. But that's bullshit. Politics are too nuanced for that. The good guys in history do not align with your ideology, they align solely with theirs and the world would look "regressive" by your standards independently of what progressive you look at. Marx being an antisemite or Che or
Obama and Biden being homophobic are great examples, while Trump has been pro LGBT for his entire recorded career as far as I know.

>Racism and bigotry are always depicted as wrong.
So you haven't watched Frieren, LoGH, GATE, as priorly stated any show with a grand focus on homogeneity which is almost any show, Youjo Senki, Naruto, essentially any mainstream ecchi/hentai, any show highlighting the beauty of conservative social aspects such as purity in women therefore almost every single romance, and I could go on if it wasn't for max post length.

Get the fuck out loser, don't ever act like you've done more than see One Piece trannies be depicted as actual subhumans and go "OH BUT THERE IS LGBT REPRESENTATION SO IT'S WOKE OH MY GAH".

>>283540448
You shat out a bunch of nonsense to dismiss my large list of hugely popular, critically acclaimed, and otaku niche-made anime that all promote progressive values and/or leftist critiques drawn directly from real world anti-imperialist rhetoric. You call it provocative because you don’t want to admit artists don’t agree with you.

You still can’t name a single specific right wing anime. You’re such a tourist that you don’t even know the names of low hanging fruit examples of actual right wing propaganda in anime lol

>>283540559
Well you seem to admit that your list is a cherry picked collection of shows that were made to be provoke and criticize Japan and its culture
> You call it provocative
It's not a matter of opinion, writing something that criticises the status quo is provocative. And writing that isn't a bad thing. Not sure why you're getting upset at that word.

>You still can’t name a single specific right wing anime.
What is "right wing"?

>>283539568 (OP)
>good
The reason I'm still alive.
>bad
The reason I'm still alive.

>>283540092
He's fucking retarded, leftists will hop on anime during Covid and act like the most right wing thing in the nerd world is something you can police like you're working for HR
>>283540285
>Anime is counterculture
HAHAHAHA WHAT??? In the west it is and all it does is make Western conservatives want to live in Japan due to the notion it makes the country appear as if it hasn't ever been touched by progressive ideas. There's a reason the "fat White man in Asia looking for a wife" man exists.
>Feeling of emptiness from a broken society
Nobody is implying Japanese society is perfect by any means but by God is the youth not wishing for Western leftism to replace it, their voting patterns last elections should speak enough. Have you ever even been in Japan and have you actually talked to weebs in Akihabara? Ask them about minorities like Jews or Kurds and you'll be in for a ride.
>>283540559
>otaku niche-made anime
>Lain
I'm killing myself my younger brother has had nothing but Lain TikToks running on his phone due to the opening song, this guy has got to be trolling
>>283540633
Right wing to him is anything he dislikes. He likes anime so it's left wing now.

>>283540523
The end of Naruto is literally a giant rainbow coalition against the ultimate fascist dictator
Where the fuck does Naruto endorse being a bigot? This is the talk no jutsu dude who cartoonishly forgives genocidal war criminals after taming his heritage of pain and darkness incarnate with the power of friendship.


You don’t even watch the shows. It’s like your childishly stupid summary of code Geass, the show that begins by saying how the Japanese were stripped of their identity and rights to be made a colonized underclass while Mt Fuji was defiled by industrialism because of an empire based in America. This is a show where Japanese are referred to by a dehumanizing slur which we see in the first episode as Kallen reacts to being called an Eleven. This is a show with canonically queer characters who are never scolded for their identities. In fact, the lesbian Nina is portrayed as a piece of shit because she’s so racist she invents nukes before seeing The Other as human.

>>283540744
You don’t think Gunbuster is part of the otaku canon? What do you think otaku even means? You realize it is inherently counter cultural because it derives from a negative stereotype in mainstream culture weaponized to mark a division from that conservative Japanese mainstream culture, right?

Of course not, you’re a tourist who thinks that TikTok determines what is and isn’t otaku lol

>>283539568 (OP)
Not exclusive to anime but there was definitely a long stretch where it absolutely dumpstered my perception of romantic relationships (as a loser teen who had never experienced it) Into my early 20s. Sometimes you have to accept that your perfect anime tier waifu won't magically materialize into your life and make everything better

>>283539568 (OP)
I misunderstood this thread as being about anime sound effects, went to find this, and only realized my mistake now.
https://youtu.be/tyneiz9FRMw?si=P2urNpSnF0vFqcOT

>>283539752
counterpoint. literal nazi fantasy

>>283541162
What happens here that you think is a Nazi fantasy?

>>283541162
This is a fantasy for prussianism aka family friendly nazism

>>283539902
I think you're conflating aspects of actual jap society with anime settings. you can interpret art however you want and I agree to a sense that anime often depicts conservative social relations. but it there are also just as many examples of anti authoritarian stories. plenty of stories depicting revolutionaries basically

>>283541334
The propaganda the nazis made was filled with juvenile revolutionary talk, that was pretty much their main gimmick

>>283540448
>All of your examples are normalfag shows
yeah you lost me. sorry i think you're just retarded. no need to change your views though

>>283541431
>no need to change your views though
Because they're right. You still haven't explained what right wing means, probably because it makes it easier to shift your argument around when it suits you.

>>283541334
The amusing part is that the closer you get to otaku niche media and farther from mainstream industry products, the more common it is for the main character to be a revolutionary and for revolution to be the entire point of the story. The major conceit of otaku narratives is swapping out mainstream heroes for the negative stereotype of otaku that conservative Japan looks down upon. Otaku no Video turns the entire complex into a monomyth comedy.

Look at anything Gainax and Trigger have done. Kill la Kill and Gurren Lagann are as anti-conformist as you can get on screen.

>>283541514
The only anime you've watched is shounen written for rebellious teenagers, which naturally involve a revolutionary theme with social weirdo characters

>>283540772
You seem to mistake any form of totalitarian for fascism

>>283541591
So where’s the mature anti-revolutionary anime?
No one can name a single one

>>283541215
hmm that might be more accurate. I remember a portion where he starting to plan ahead hoping to save germany from its ww2 fate. but I guess that could be interpreted a few different ways

>>283539568 (OP)
I'd probably be playing a lot more video games without anime. I wouldn't have found manga or visual novels without it though, which is horrifying to think about.

>>283539568 (OP)
I'd probably disregard flat chested women if it wasn't for anime.

>>283539902
This whole post is political projection.
>There's a reason Hollywood movies pushing progressive agendas fail and anime is booming, everyone collectively despises bowing to minorities and degeneracy, anime is a form of safe haven for most
In reality Hollywood movies do over a billion in box office while anime movies barely do more than 100m. Everyone and their grandmothers will watch Zootopia 2.

>>283541644
That's an extremely uncommon theme in fiction in general, maybe you'd get that from christians

>>283541697
The other lie that gets exposed there is just looking at what anime movies even hit theaters these days. These tourists obviously didn’t watch The Colors Within.

>>283541653
Prussia is usually used as a stand in for Nazi Germany when people don't want to get too edgy. It seems that a lot of people are attracted to the militaristic german aesthetic so going for the older prussians is the better option. In terms of their ideology they're mostly the same except prussianism has a rigid class hierarchy rather than a racial hierarchy

>>283540772
Naruto is insanely nationalist, and an enormous endorser of borders and fighting&dying to protect his country and the chance to one day be recognized enough by his tribe to lead it. The coalition doesn't happen because the tribes consider each other equal or like each other, it's out of need as I've previously stated. You wouldn't have to be at a point where you prove my point if you weren't an illiterate neanderthal. Naruto is literally anime Trump by all means and standards. You're drawing weird parallels to things leftists do too to imply he is, this shit's like me saying Hitler was a leftist because he cared about animal cruelty.
>Code Geass
I'm not disagreeing it's a critique of imperialism by any means, I'm just not agreeing to the notion that makes it inherently left wing. Any right wing faction that doesn't include imperialism can live with a framework compatible with the show. One Piece's Water 7 is essentially an anarcho-capitalist utopia with their leading figure being a literal capitalist corpo, and the entire arc being focused on fighting an oppressive government.
>Lesbian character
I promise you it's for male eye candy, just look at any official Code Geass art please
>Evil racist
Not every right winger is racist and even the racist ones aren't racist towards every group. I don't sound racist towards the Japs, do I?
>>283540847
Otaku just means obsessed fan, a nerd. Cultural conservatives can very well be into anime too. Granted, shows like JJK or Blue Lock are stories of tearing down traditional Japanese social structures, but even in those cases their points of critique usually lies in the context of Japanese collectivism, a generally culturally leftist associated trait. Very few shows critique things such as a culturally right wing focus on female purity, fitting beauty standards or capitalism in itself and there's a plethora of shows for each one praising it to make up for that.

>>283540899
What's the trope called again? Manic pixie dream girl?
>>283540971
It's fine we're glad to have it in the thread

>>283541868
>otaku just means obsessed fan
You’re an illiterate tourist who has no clue why the term is significant lol

>>283541868
>I don't sound racist towards the Japs, do I?
Yes, you make it really obvious too

>>283539568 (OP)
Whatever negative effects my consumption of jap media has had on me, I'm sure I would've had with some other form of escapism. If not anime and manga, then just more videogames and movies, maybe more books. Hell, I might have had the time to be a trekkie or something similar. I guess being interested in anime brought me to this God forsaken place, but then again, I think I was already that way inclined. I am an antisocial weirdo by nature, it was inevitable I think.

>>283540744
>leftists will hop on anime during Covid and act like the most right wing thing in the nerd world is something you can police like you're working for HR
Anime really isn't right wing at all.
I can count on one hand the number of anime I'd genuinely count as "explicitly right wing", and a couple of them are literal propaganda pieces.

>>283541970
How is he being racist?

>>283541162
Mentioned that show too but he'll ignore it lol
>>283541334
A fight against authority can be right wing too, see LoGH, Blue Lock or Water 7 from One Piece, shows I've mentioned in
>>283541697
>Picrel
Either way it's delusional to attempt the argument "but anime isn't gaining in popularity, people aren't fleeing to it", children and boomers being stuck on leftist Disney slop doesn't mean much, no?
>>283541918
Sorry I spent time watching shows, cosplaying and talking to both Western and Japanese fans rather than sticking around on urban dictionary to not miss any updates on slang </3
>>283541970
I'm not tho, so there you go <3

>>283539568 (OP)
The good:
>I picked up a lot of passive Japanese knowledge which I can use to impress "the normals" with
The bad:
>I sometimes accidentally say "yare yare daze" at work

And that's just the surface level impact. After >25 years of anime watching (I am 35), I developed the best taste in anime on /a/. It's not just the time, it's also the *understanding* and *enlightenment* that 99% of youse will never reach.

>>283542063
>the Japs

>>283541868
>Naruto is insanely nationalist, and an enormous endorser of borders and fighting&dying to protect his country and the chance to one day be recognized enough by his tribe to lead it.
The impetus for Naruto's goals and dreams are a desire to change the world in a way innately progressive and liberal to it. He seeks to change from within, in contrast to Sasuke's changes through overthrowing the system entirely.
>I'm not disagreeing it's a critique of imperialism by any means, I'm just not agreeing to the notion that makes it inherently left wing.
It's about an ultra-imperialistic group being taken down by a ragtag group of oppressed minorities in the abstract, and the ultimate victory is the world being governed by a cripple who had been initially left for dead and excused from the family in R1.

>>283542076
>see pic
>don't even read this shitpost
Creatures like these aren't human and never will be. The other thing anime taught me is that not only can you use someone's "anime tastes" to judge them, you should do it. Anyone above the age of 26 who watched more than 6 anime and who likes KnY (no excuses, any part of it) is automatically a soulless subhuman.

>>283542076
>Sorry I spent time watching shows, cosplaying and talking to both Western and Japanese fans rather than sticking around on urban dictionary to not miss any updates on slang </3
You didn't do any of that if your idea of what otaku means is just "obsessed fan".
Otaku was the literal "anime fan approved" rendition of the more disparaging wapanese (later weeaboo) in western circles in the 90s/00s.

>>283539568 (OP)
>What would probably not be the case in your life if it wasn't for anime?
I wouldn't be posting here, which would be a shame for me and the other posters because I consider myself to be the light of this increasingly gloomy board.

>>283542082
Nigga you've got to be trolling
>>283542032
I get where this is coming from tbf, but right wing ideals in art tend to be depicted rather subtle unlike left wing ideals. I've mentioned some of that here but I can go into more detail tomorrow, I really gotta hit the sack soon or I'll be late for work >>283540523