Thread 283575338

Why is Eva considered deep but One Piece a comicbook for children?

Because if i dont understand it then it must be deep

>>283575611
fpbp

Symbolism is not deep, it's obfuscation

Common sense

>>283575338 (OP)
Because one piece is for children?

HxH tackles some of the same themes one piece tackles, but in a more adult manner

>>283576017
LMAO

>>283576017
having walls of text is so mature

>>283575338 (OP)
>antichrist
>repressed science
Sure kiddo. Science is a part of faustian soul, human arrogance of babylon tower builder who consider themselves equal to god

>>283576017
>What if Naruto, but somehow MORE homoerotic?
>What if Cell, but depressed??
Stick to your nonexistent containment threads, faggot.

>>283575338 (OP)
Because if enough people with influence say something is true it becomes true.

Probably because One Piece is a long running shonen series in Shonen Jump where nothing has happened in 25 years.

>>283576830
gottem

>>283575338 (OP)
Because presentation that points to itself in regards to maturity and depth is all retards need to consider something deep. Most shounen are too juvenile and whimsical in their presentation to qualify for the vast majority of deepfags because it doesn't signal to them that they are supposed to find meaning in the work.

>>283575338 (OP)
>OP Gov has repressed science
They're building and have built a clone robot army, tf is this fag yapping about

>>283577302
Peter Thiel thinks the antichrist are those who advocate for peace, like Greta, trying to regulate poor little Palantir

>>283577350
I think thiel also likes luffy because he likes the lucy

If you've read wan piss before the time skip then you've read all of wan piss basically, that's how deep it is

>>283577375
but post time skip it gets deeper. they go to fishman island

Eva is deep, ok? It just is

>>283577408
Ok m8

>>283576017
You should have feel pathetic typing this out

Because Eva is about how antidepressants weren't first approved for use in Japan until 1999, and One Piece is about I don't know what. I saw the 4Kids dub and laughed at it and never gave it a second thought.

>>283579333
One Piece will be talked about in 100 years from now. Eva won't be a thing.

>>283579333
you're retarded

>>283579364
Honestly? It depends on how it ends. I can see One Piece ending so bad it goes like Game of Thrones and it gets memory holed.

>>283579385
YA YO YAAAA YOOOOO
DREAMIN DON'T GIVE IT UP LUFFY

>>283576017
based and huntpilled

>>283579411
case in point

Is One Piece for teenagers or families? I always thought of One Piece as being like professional wrestling in terms of writing. It's a lot of fun, and you can drink and watch it, but it's not really all that thematically complex.

>>283576017
The vast majority of shounen manga, including both HxH and OP, don't cater explicitly to an adult audience. Pretty much any normal person, that isn't spending significant amounts of their time on these series, would consider both to be for kids and the difference in tone to not be large enough to make much of a distinction.

>>283575338 (OP)
One peice is literally a comic book for childern and there's nothing wrong with that.
Just because something is intended for a audience of teenage boys dose'nt mean it can't have a deeper meaning or be good. But It dose'nt have to bee that deep to be good.
People are too far up their own asshole and ego stroking, trying to make themselves feel smart. It's redditor behavior.
Like if somethings not grimdark nonsense they write it off as for childern. They did that with all animation for decades. And it's mid IQ, teenage level thinking.

>>283575338 (OP)
Shinji is basically a shonen mecha kid mc (so kids can relate to him) so it's not like there's much differences anyways.

>>283579585
This. One Piece is clearly aimed at a young audience, but it's a thematically complex show that can be enjoyed by those outside of its target age range.

>>283579585
Nobody is saying its bad or insincere we are just wondering why adults are enjoying something for middle school boys.

>>283579364
Eva stll gets talked about 30 years later which is pretty good for a 1 season show + a movie
OP might be most remembered in the future for its length and studied by marketers

>>283579644
I mean you could ask the same shit as to why there's adult star wars fans or something.

What causes people to treat One Piece like it's The Sopranos? Is it just a lack of exposure to other media actually intended for adults? I find this fascinating as FUCK.

>>283579364
Probably more so for how long lasting it was and its (international) impact. I don't see the series being read by kids in 100 years. Tastes and the industry as a whole will be completely different by then.
>>283579390
I don't see Oda fucking up the ending of the series so hard as to be comparable to that (for one: he can't run out of a better story to copy as he has been writing it himself the entire time).

>>283579534
Our heroes

Because Evangelion is deep in every sense of the matter, while One Piece it's only deep in sheer volume of characters and plots.

You can like both for the depth you find, or just enjoy cool stuff happening, they're fairly different series that both benefit from rewatches/rereads.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pr9ExScjBno

>>283579863
What is deep about One Piece? Fellowship? Is this just Lord of The Rings for people with ADHD?

>>283579644
Because it's well done and well told. A story dose'nt need "mature" themes to be relatable. And usually actual mature and intelligent people can find the universal themes in well made content intended for younger audiences and relate to it.
Sure there is brain dead slop made for kids that is unwatchable, but clearly that's not what one peice is.
And it is 100% a midwit take to look at something and turn away from it because it lacks Hollywood's idea of "maturity", which is usually the exact same as a teenage boys idea of it.

>>283580025
>Because it's well done and well told
So Oda is like Stephen King or Steven Speilberg? That makes more sense now. I have never read or watched One Piece other than the 4Kids version so I don't know.

>>283579890
For me I would say at face value, looking at the story and each individual arc story, they don't come across all that deep. Pretty straightforward. Liberating the island and saving people. Getting stronger, uncovering more of the planet etc. What's "deeper" is the story structured parallels form some arcs, the consistent symbolism, good use of foreshadowing, microcosm of stories in early arcs that have to do with the end game. Subtle things happening in the background of arcs that have have to do with the work building as a whole.

I love shit like Evangelion and Frieren. Why the fuck does /a/ hate all the shit I like? Do I just need to expose myself to more stuff? Should I just go to Reddit and let /a/ be consumed by users from SEA who only watch current shonen? I wish yoy guys talked about good shonen like G Gundam and Yu Yu Hakusho.

>>283580113
>worldbuilding
This shit bores me to tears. I don't give a fuck about your world if the characters in it are one dimensional.

>>283580190
Nah man, in regards to Shonen specifically, nothing else has better characters than one piece. Saying they are one dimensional instantly outs you for not reading it all

>>283579890
I was careful to say "the depth you find", one mans deep is another mans retarded. The world is pretty miserable and full of people trying to deal with that, until a cartoon rubber man comes to help via punching things.

>>283579644
Anyone on /a/ who claims to consume exclusively media targeted at an adult demographic is lying through their fucking teeth.

>>283580065
Personally I'd say Oda is more like Pratchett, but that pisses litfags off.

>>283580233
The repetitive demeanor and disposition of OP characters makes you better appreciate characters from other series and happy that not every other shonen is written like OP, though OP can be enjoyable

>>283580165
>Why the fuck does /a/ hate all the shit I like?
Because /a/ hates fucking everything, anon. Discourse here skews wildly negative and you have to be able to filter through that and engage with the people who enjoy what you do if you want to derive any sort of enjoyment from the board. There are people here who like battle shōnen, people who like romcoms, people who like haremshit, people who like isekai slop, etc. There's just more hate because 4chan users are, on average, more bitter, angry people than most public forums. If you genuinely can't find any enjoyment out of engaging with /a/ - and frankly I don't blame you if you can't - then yeah: there's no harm in spending your time elsewhere instead of drowning in negativity. Because a lot of these faggots just want everyone else to be as miserable as them.

>>283580065
Yes, shonen is basically lots of stories that are Stephen King and S.K. wannabes with their own spin on it that you want to check it out. One Piece is somewhat on the lower end where it gets repetitive after one arc and drags too long, it leans toward H.P., seriously almost any shonen, the big3 is better, the fanbase is pretty crazy where you wonder if they read other manga.

>>283580515
>seriously almost any shonen, the big3 is better,
This is how you know you're dealing with a low IQ individual.

>>283575338 (OP)
I think One Piece is a much bigger contribution to literary and visual arts than Evangelion. One Piece is the great Odyssey of our time, nothing else is like it. Evangelion is novel only from the reference point of other anime.

>>283581000
Have you ever read The Odyssey? I have, and I have never read One Piece.

>>283581026
Then you can't give your opinion on One Piece.

>>283579699
My favourite episode might be when the FBI kept trying to wiretap Tonys house but kept being screwed over, peak loony toons.

Because End of Evangelion is considered one of the most important and culturally significant movies in the History of Japanese animation while Wan Piss is just another never ending adventure shit story where you have to blow through more than 700 chapters. Quite honestly it's like comparing Cooking Papa to whatever, but the masses are never wrong am I right?

>>283581244
Its people getting killed over eating pussy and fat jokes. The show is fucking brilliant.

>>283579765
One Piece is a deep socio-political commentary

>>283575338 (OP)
Honestly One Piece even if not deep is a better story than Evangelion.
People like to praise evangelion but it really is just a disjointed mess, no wonder it has like 3 separate endings.
It's carried by the cinematography if you look at the story half of it is monster (or angel) of the week stuf, f then the rest is edgy shit.
The last 2 episodes are people screaming in a chair. Then some bizarre artfag shit with shinji floating in the white air.

>>283581452
Careful, anon. There are retards on /a/ who genuinely think One Piece is a targeted critque of Zionism and the /pol/ conspiratorial NWO and not the far more broad indictment of oppression, fascism, and an unchecked ruling class that it actually is. Bringing up politics in One Piece here can bring it the actual fucking crazies.

>>283581634
I don't have a problem with people loving Evangelion or ascribing their own meaning to what they see in it. But it's indefatigably true that the writers did not intend much of that meaning, and that much of the symbolism is surface level because Christian iconography is less prolific in Japan and they thought it would be cooler than using more Japanese iconography. And yeah, the ending has always seemed pretty fucking pretentious.

>>283579699
>What causes people to treat One Piece like it's The Sopranos?
The Sopranos is cringe Italian fantasy lol. One Piece is way more interesting.

>>283581801
You sound like somebody without the makings of a varsity athlete.

>>283581634
You didn't even mention the bizarre as hell film or the shitty semi sequels remakes? Reboots? Films

>>283581745
Legit the funniest part is the creators probably just wanted to make some schizo shit and it somehow became a classic.

>>283581920
The nonsense symbolism is just a vehicle to talk about having clinical depression. I am not talking about just feeling sad, but the kind of shit people get hospitalized for. I like Eva so much because I have been in a psych ward twice in my life.

>>283575338 (OP)
Because One Piece is a comic book for children.

>>283582319
Comic book for children doesn't have
>>283581452

>>283582338
I don't think One Piece does either.

>Thiel
like the faggot Peter Thiel? the literal faggot that brought the plague of facebook and AI slop? that fucking faggot? why the fuck would I care about what that flaming anti-christ faggot would say about anything at all?

>>283582425
I like how One Piece is about anti-establishment and people who enjoy the series are quoting billionaires.

All this from a slice of gabagool?

>>283582499
One Piece is not anti-establishment. Luffy supports several monarchs.

>>283582546
Aww yeah its the schizo >>283581689 warned us about.

>>283577302
They repressed science for the general public. Most of the population doesn't even know that a clone robot army exists.

>>283582579
Don't shoot the messenger

>>283582574
Aren't they FUCKING PIRATES? Like you can still be a pirate under a crown, but come the fuck on.

>>283575338 (OP)
Thiel making up niggerbabble because he's too ashamed to just admit he likes one piece

>>283579390
Oda already gave out everyone a taste of what the ending is gonna be.
Edgelords wanting a 1v1 deathmatch will be disappointed.

>>283579699
Because one piece has some interesting philosophical undertones.
One of the early stories is about the classic question of "What is life?" (Hiriluk). And differently from other hack authors who just puts the question as if that's "deep", Oda tells us his answer to that question for us to think about.
I'm not saying that One Piece is the deepest story in the world, but it's definitely deceptively deep.

>>283582574
This. As I said here >>283581689 One Piece is by and large an indictment of oppression. Luffy isn't intellectual enough to contemplate the nuance of different modes of power and government. He can only delineate between treating people well, and treating the poorly. If a monarch treats their citizens well, he'll support them. If a democratic institution were to treat their citizens like shit, he would bring that institution down. One Piece posits that the establishment is perfectly fine as long as it exists in service to the people, and that if it doesn't it should be crushed with violent revolution. Hell, Luffy will even side against revolutionaries with an arguably just cause (Alabasta) for the sake of his friends, so he isn't even totally consistent in that regard. What he is, however, is an exceptionally good judge of character. Most of the time. He's also perfectly willing to team up with a sleazeball gangster and participate in a full-on assassination just for shits and giggles. He isn't a revolutionary like his father. He's just a guy who will put his life on the line to fuck up any oppressive regime or any force that serves to harm his friends and loved ones.

>>283581452
It really isn't. It's extremely simple in it's socio-political commentary.

Basically slavery and racism is bad, kids.

>>283582602
>Pirates
People who value freedom over justice.
>Marines
People who value justice over freedom.

That's the underlying tone of those factions in One Piece. So, the same way one can use their freedom to support a monarch, another can use their freedom to destroy it.

>>283583259
You got that from Mother's Basement.

>>283583256
Agreed. One Piece has depth, but that's mostly with regards to the scope of its world and comprehensive narrative. Its themes are very much surface level - which isn't a bad thing. It's a manga targeted at 15-year old boys, after all.

In the same way that a good children's book can convey a meaningful message to a kid in a way that an adult might find inane, One Piece succeeds at making its themes clear in a way that allows its regards to understand them with no need for deep contemplation or consideration. That's genuinely one of the best qualities of the manga. Conveying strong themes in a way that your intended audience can understand is just good writing.

>>283583377
Allows its readers* Though the manga does have plenty of retards.

>>283583280
You don't need a youtuber to know that. The manga is pretty explicit about it.
Luffy tells the reader many times that the Pirate King is the one with the most freedom of them all, and Gear 5 is explained as Luffy having the most freedom.
Marine Admirals all have a very specific type of justice that dictates their actions.

>>283581026
I have read both the Odyssey and One Piece, yes.

>>283576017
This, but unironically

>>283583498
No way me too
Points of commonality between Oda and Homer as storytellers:
>the story progresses from island to island
>the major, heroic characters all have epiteths associated with them
>flashbacks interrupt the narrative to give background details

>>283575338 (OP)
Optics. Sheer optics.

>>283576017
>HxH tackles some of the same themes one piece tackles, but in a more adult manner

I find the political and human themes One Piece explores way more interesting than Evas goofy ass pseud topics, but maybe thats just me idk

>>283583838
To be fair to Evangelion, One Piece has a lot more bandwidth to explore a higher number of complex themes in-depth.

>>283575338 (OP)
Because Eva is a deconstruction while One Piece plays it straight.

>>283584001
What the fuck is this lame ass meme that Eva is a deconstruction? Shinji's no different from Amuro Ray

>>283581689
OP has a better take on racism, discrimination, radicalization in Fishman Island than SnK ever did in its entire run. I was surprised how more nuanced was Odas take on racial issues in that arc than mangas like SnK for example who are all about that

>>283577350
>like Greta
lol
lmao even

>>283575338 (OP)
JEWS == EVIL
Is it that hard to understand?

>>283584073
SnK was just Isayama reading Muv-Luv Alternative and going "hey I can steal from this", of course it'd end up a mess

>>283575338 (OP)
>Luffy, a pirate who wears a red straw hat, sort of like Christ's crown of thorns
What the fuck is he talking about?

>>283584073
>One Piece is wokeshit
Yet another reason why Eva is better.

>>283576017
What themes does HxH even tackle? Half of the manga is just powerlevel autism exposition

>>283584729
The hat has a red band, I guess?

>>283584841
>wokeshit
FI had absolutely nothing to do with that, the main villain of the arc was a fishman, not a human

>>283584847
Heh, guess it's too much for you, huh? HxH makes a powerful thesis... what if humanity was... bad? What if those who fight monsters became... monsters themselves?!
I know, heavy stuff. But wait till I get started! What if bad guys... had loved ones? Eh? Betcha never thought of that.
But wait! There's more! What if... male friendships were actually homosexual?

>>283584939
Honestly all I remember HxH is the homo tension between Killua and Gon, I even jerked it one time to porn about it once or twice

>>283575338 (OP)
Bad guy is evil
>Must be the antichrist!!!
Hero is a good guy
>Definitely a reference to Jesus!
Hero powerscales infinitely and comes back many times after being defeated
>The parallels are infinite!
Hero wears a hat
>It's red (tl note: it's yellow), like the Christ's crown of thorns!!

Someone give this man an Asspulitzer

>>283579585
SpongeBob has more levels of reading than one piece though

Just because the author tries to make it serious doesn't mean it gets deeper meanings

>>283585223
wanna elaborate on spongebob, anon?

>>283575338 (OP)
one deals with deeper themes and has overt sexual overtones and sex acts while one is literally for children ?

>>283587212
Dont have to announce it online that you're a drooling retard

>>283576017
based

>>283587377
>says the guy who watched 1000 episodes of a childrens show and has to convince others its deep
where is the scene in one piece where the protag jerks off over his naked crushes comatose body? maybe now you understand why one is considered mature and the other is not

>>283575676
Just because that's how hack writers use it doesn't mean that's what it is

>>283584939
I love noncanon nonsense

>>283587403
>le sex is le mature
Again, when are you going to grown past your teenage phase

>>283584939
There is nothing gay about that friendship

>>283587496
>unable to engage in analysis of why a character would do something, or the underpinning psychological implications of said action
its just really over for you, also sex is literally mature, thats sort of been determined for the majority of human history

>>283581452
about how to coon idiots for decades with a stupid comic

>>283587414
What was Togashi's reaction to Madhouse depicting Gon and Killua as bisexual faggots?

>>283587403
>the protag jerks off over his naked crushes comatose body?
Quite possibly the most immature scene in Eva, and was rightfully mocked for years for that reason. Now that Anno is older and more mature, you notice how he doesn’t care about shoving this tryhard teenager slop into his media anymore.

>>283587658
no point in engaging with people like you

>>283587589
The manga started releasing slower and slower as the 2011 anime gained popularity, I'm not sure why

>>283588301
Can't imagine not loving EoE

Yeah but what if I like both? Have you ever thought about that.

>>283588301
I love both.

>>283576017
te mato gringo One Piece es el mejor

>>283579890
The government is actually evil. No other anime has the balls to say this. They are an ancient evil and control the world behind the scenes. One Piece is the most mature manga also with a lot of sad backstories.

>>283579890
The entire manga is about a cabal of a small (((ethnic group))) who worship the devil and control the world after consistently modifying history to make themselves look like the historical victims while their empire survives on countless of genocides and ethnic cleansing campaings. Its truly /our/ manga. No other author has the balls to say it outright

>>283589816
They even have a controlled opposition pirate who promotes Tikkun Olam

>>283579333
>le antidepressants
I hate you slaves to big pharma

>>283587414
Gold Dust Girl was way too cute to just be a one-off background character.

>>283580750
You mean them, for not being able to engage with even one of 9999+ other shonen that isn't their own? Sure.