Thread 283685194

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AkGPhVXJWo0

How do we feel about this?

>>283685194 (OP)
Very happy. I'm glad to be able to finally show it to people who refuse to fucking read manga

>madhouse studio
>kaiji director
Well fuck. This is my biggest adaptation dream that I had zero expectation of ever happening. Had to pinch myself to check if I was dreaming

>>283685194 (OP)
Couldn't care less because regardless of how good some arcs are there's others and the ending that bog the whole thing down.

>>283685369
They could write a new ending. In fact that is probably what they are going to do. The ending is so offensively bad that there is no way they'll just roll with it. I didn't watch the live actions, does anyone know how it ends?

>Kaiji, Kakeguri and Liar’s game got adaptations but not the greatest of mind game series in Usogui
That shitty OVA doesn’t count, I know the art style will never match the manga but still

>>283685516
These are not the same.

Kaiji and Liar game are bonafide braincrack. They have the intellectual feats and the 200 IQ games that are solved through actual logic, with emphasis on "solved" because the protagonist generally finds infallible solutions. Other examples of this genre include Akagi, One Outs and, to a lesser but still notable extent, Death Note.

Kakegurui and Usogui are psychological thrillers that pretend to be braincrack but aren't. The games can have interesting settings, but they are solved through cheesy bullshit like the MC having incredible memory or their opponent not playing optimally and making rookie mistakes.

It only takes a couple chapters of Usogui to realize that it won't have one single genuine mind game.

I still like the manga for what it is, but it's not the same genre.

>>283685423
the live action never reached the ending

and nor will the anime

200 chapters is a lot

>>283685194 (OP)
How far can they even get in 12 episodes?
Will we even see Tokoya?

>>283685423
I doubt it. As someone who binge read it my disappointment in the ending was pretty overwhelming. I can't imagine reading and discussing it for years just to have that axed shit thrown in your face.
>>283685682
Some shows reach that magnitude. Like CSM Uma Musume, and Dandadan are currently airing and will all definitely be animated to ch200. Liars game is pretty old at this point though so who knows.

>>283685597
>Other examples of this genre include Death Note
You're laying it on too thick, anon

>>283685194 (OP)
We already have Kaiji and Kakegurui, what's the point in making the same stories over and over and over again

>>283685747
I'm hoping they will rush the first game and condense it into a single episode. It's just outdated for the genre's standards and doesn't bring anything of substance to the table.

In this case it could go like this
>Episode 1: the game of stealing the money
>Episode 2: minority rule part 1
>Episode 3: minority rule part 2
>Episode 4: minority rule part 3
>Episode 5: revival round part 1
>Episode 6: revival round part 2
>Episode 7: revival round part 3
>Episode 8: contraband part 1
>Episode 9: contraband part 2
>Episode 10: contraband part 3
>Episode 11: contraband part 4
>Episode 12: contraband part 5

Do you guys like the musical chairs game?

>>283685825
Going from the start to minority rule in 1 episode is very ambitious, unfortunately I don't think they can do this.
>>283685845
It's easily the best game in the entire manga.

One Outs S2 when
>>283685845
Like the other anon sa8d, it's the best game in the manga.

>>283685194 (OP)
Kino incoming.

>>283685825
Only 5 episodes to contraband? Was it really that short?

>>283685779
I never expected the ending to be good. The entire meat of the story was in surviving/winning the games in order to progress to the next stage. What could've possibly been waiting at the end of that journey that would have had a better payoff than the conclusions of the individual games? From the onset, there was just way too little setup in regards to the framing device of the Liar Game tournament itself. It just glues the games together but hardly adds anything beyond that base function. So it should've come as no surprise to anyone that the tournament as a whole would be resolved in an underwhelming fashion. At no point did the story ever really lay the foundations for a satisfying conclusion. If you expected one, you were blinded by the satisfying conclusions of the games.

>>283685815
Liar's game predates Kakegurui by almost a decade.
They are scraping bottom of the barrel for things they can adapt.

>>283685788
He's being genuine. "Brain crack" fag has been at it for a couple years and is completely insufferable. For awhile he spent time bouncing between /a/ and /v/ taking turns getting banned from each

>>283685815
Kakeguri sucks and more genuinely decent gambling shit is good. It being kaiji director is the best possible news

>>283686053
This is entirely the author's fault for not setting up an overarching plot that could give a satisfying conclusion to the manga itself. You can't just write 200 insufficient chapters and then complain that there was no say to wrap up the story in the 201th chapter. Gotta set that shit up from chapter 1.

This anime is an opportunity for them to do it right. I doubt they'll do that though, they're probably not even considering that this adaptation could last long enough to reach the end.

>>283686075
What do you have against me? I am trying to attract notoriety to a genre that I hold dearly and it has finally paid off with the Liar Game adaptation. Why are you mad at my success?

>>283686138
why are you like this

>>283686162
Braincrack is like crack to my brain. No media brought more joy to me than Kaiji, Liar Game, One Outs, Death Note, Akagi.

I want more of it. But what was formally the "battle of wits" got overrun by things like Code Geass and Kakegurui, which are all show but no execution.

I wanted to create a word that would distinguish Death Note from Code Geass; Kaiji from Kakegurui. That's all there is to it.

The real question is why this innocent concept drive some people mad.

>>283686213
Code Gayass is the exact same as Death Note, except with mechs and cheese. Don't kid yourself.

>>283686138
>What do you have against me
You are an annoying narcissistic cunt that sticks out like a sore thumb

>>283686213
Chode gayass is all execution. It is the most entertaining show on your list by far

>>283686252
>>283686339
Code Geass relies on an extraordinarily incompetent enemy and lots of stupid plot devices that involve Lelouch planting hidden bombs beforehand and threatening to detonate them if he doesn't get it his way.

>>283686327
I'll have you know that I didn't post about braincrack in /a/ for the last year. Just looked up "braincrack" in the archive and found hundreds of mentions. None of them were me.

>>283685194 (OP)
>>283685277
Hell yeah anons, mind games and long inner monologues incoming

>>283686138
>Why are you mad at my success?
That is the exact issue.
You make it sound like you had any kind of hand at Liar Game getting animated.

>>283685194 (OP)
Is this the new death note? Normalfags thinking the show is intelligent because it says so and praising it to the oblivion. It is smarter than death note at least

>>283686138
Name your best and worst of "braincrack" games and I'll be the judge whether you're for real or a midwit.

>>283686469
>It is smarter than death note at least
Are you asking or telling? If you are asking yes significantly. It's more like new kaiji than new death note

>>283686485
>best
999 or AAI2

>worst
Danganronpa

Well?

>>283685597
>Kaiji and Liar game are bonafide braincrack. They have the intellectual feats and the 200 IQ games that are solved through actual logic, with emphasis on "solved" because the protagonist generally finds infallible solutions. Other examples of this genre include Akagi, One Outs and, to a lesser but still notable extent, Death Note.
lol
lmao

>>283686520
Don't tell me you got filtered by V3.

>>283686458
Okay I was a bit too in the face with that. But in my defense I'm just playing the character you're assigning to me.
>>283686566
I didn't get filtered by anything, it's just low IQ and all show no execution, relies on extraordinary incompetence from the killers and so on. Breaks its own rules all the time. Just a shitty murder mystery. I appreciate it for the characters and story, not for the braincrack.

>>283686601
That's a lot of words for saying you got filtered by a proper curveball.

>>283686667
Okay now post your own best/worst.

Is it actually smart or pic related?

>>283686685
Best Ever17
Worst Heavy Rain

>>283686759
>Ever17
Not a game, you fail.

>>283686759
Nta, but Heavy Rain is a lot of fun even if it's dumb. I enjoyed Ever17 too, but I might put Remember11 above it.

>>283686786
If 999 is a game, Ever17 is a game

inb4
>b-but 999 has you playing Sudoku...!
Yeah, and it adds nothing to what makes 999 appealing.

>>283686601
>I'm merely pretending to be a narcissistic faggot
Just know that whenever you cry about midwits you are talking about your group

>>283685597

> braincrack

Fuck outta here with that shit or ima crack your brain.

How popular do you think the Liar Game adaptation will be? Will it fly under most people's radar or will positive word of mouth help it find an audience? I heard Squid Game took a lot from it, and that was a big hit right? Never watched it myself.

>>283687773
Ordinarily I would say no chance it becomes notorious. Would definitely fly under the radar.

But there are rumors that the studio will be Madhouse. There is no way anything by madhouse flies under the radar.

>>283687773
Squid Game is much closer the death game horror manga Kami-sama no Iu Tori, what with the gimmick of lethal children's games requiring some dexterity and the ability to stay calm under pressure most of all. It really has little in common with Liar Game at the end of the day. Liar Game is strongly focused on game theoretic considerations and social manipulation in order to outwit your opponents.

>>283686719
kinda both. There are intelligent stratagems from both sides, but at the same time you have over-the-top evil gloating antagonists, mostly due to cheating or tricking Nao, when things appear to go their way before getting beaten by the MCs, and i mean really exagerated, like Kengan Omega levels of tongue and YOU'VE GOT IT ALL WRONG. And the jap and korean live actions series managed to go even further in that regard somehow

Still an entertaining read though, i'm very excited for the anime

>>283688239
eww

>>283686719
Neither.

Liar Game is pure game theory. The mc calculates what is most mathematically optimal strategy for every player and assumes they will follow it.

It is a very interesting exercise of logic.

It is not a "realistically intelligent" story because Akiyama's plans would be easily folded if the players didn't play optimally. Like, he often assumes someone will betray their group because in doing so they could earn more money, but his plan would be easily ruined if that person simply didn't want to take that risk.

Of course he will cope by saying that he profiled the players and concluded that they are greedy and will definitely do anything for money because that's how you even get in the liar game in the first place: by being a greedy fucker deep in debt.

His plans would also be foiled if the players simply weren't smart enough to perceive the optimal strategies.

I don't mind these flaws because at the end of the day, unlike Sherlock Holmes, Akiyama's strategies are perfect in the idealized vacuum of logic and game theory.

It's basically like math vs physics. Math might not be "realistic" but it is pretty cool.

>>283685258
>people who refuse to fucking read manga
scum of the earth

>braincrack poster
What a kuso thread

Nice. Although I wonder why an anime now after all the live action

>>283685369
>>283685423
>>283685779
There are people who cared so much about the ending? It really didn't matter at all beyond Yokoya getting buttblasted again and the masked guys giving up.

>>283688432
Yeah. The weakest part of Liar Game is 100% the "weaker players" in the game. In a lot of arcs, like the pandemic stuff, it feels like they make the decisions the plot needs rather than a realistic response to the situation.

>>283686520
>>283686759
>not naming Umineko has the undisputed GOAT
You just both revealed yourselves to be pseuds!

>>283685194 (OP)
>Kaiji's director
I'm now a lot more interested in this

>>283687773
It will attract a lot of shitposting because of the crossdresser character.

>>283687773
You will get flocked by retarded anime-only tourists.

I've always wanted to participate in a "real life" Liar's Game, but sadly a LOT of the strategies in the manga only really work when there's an actual threat to the participant's lives/well-being.

>>283685779
For people who are not informed, like you, the manga wasnt axed, the manga ended with the green light of the mangaka because he said he doesnt have any futher plan for the series outside of the same liar game. Summary, the author only wanted to write game theory

>>283690408
>like you
My implication was the ending was as bad as an axed manga. No shit it wasn't just randomly cancelled after 200 chapters.

>>283689306
Umineko is fucking atrocious by virtue of the writing alone, not because of any mystery.

>>283686053
yes and no, its author's fault. he cleary TRIED to write something beyond the actual game theory, aka social commentary and political structure, the problem comes that he doesnt know how to resolve everything post the actual game theory so he ended it
>At no point did the story ever really lay the foundations for a satisfying conclusion If you expected one, you were blinded by the satisfying conclusions of the games.
The manga was building something beyond the Liar Game after it ended; it's just that the mangaka never wanted to touch it, and that's his fault. It's his fault that the characters don't have character arcs and that the work as a whole doesn't have a central theme. Many of these reasons are why the live-action adaptation changed the entire thematic core and the characters; the manga has nothing more than the game theory.
>>283690441
i agree the ending is trash im just confirming the actual context.

>>283689306
I could not get into Umineko it is way too long I swear that shit is one piece tier in terms of amount of material

>>283685194 (OP)
It's been like 15 years since I read the manga and I don't remember anything, so it should be fun.

>>283685815
>Kakegurui
who honestly cares about this trash

>>283685194 (OP)
But what about a 2nd season for Ones Out?

>>283690007
Don't the koreans do that all the time what with their games where they put a lot of money on the line?

reminder it is NOT confirmed that madhouse will be the studio

if the studio is not famous say goodbye to any chances of this becoming popular

>>283689306
Umineko is a commentary on mistery novels not a mistery novel per se.

>>283689423
What is this about remember 11? I see this mentioned as the ultimate braincrack from time to time, but is it really?

>>283691356
no it's just that nobody read it

>tilts your balls
Response?

>>283685423
>live actions
Live actions already deviate heavily from the manga. In the Japanese series it was confirmed that LGT actually completely ruins the lives of those who lose out.
It "first" ended with Liar Game the Final Stage, a movie where it turns out LGT is a secret society run by elites who bet on the outcome of the games. Akiyama and Nao reach the final round of the latest round of Liar Game, where they manage to unite everyone. But because all the elites had bet on them not uniting, they all lose and they all go bankrupt or something, and Liar Game is destroyed forever and everyone lives happily ever after.
It doesn't make any sense if you think about it but at least the game was the best in the entire Liar Game franchise and Nao gets her happy ending so it was fine.
THEN they had to sequel it up with Liar Game Reborn, where one of the elites was so pissed that she lost all her money that she uses her money (?) to hold another Liar Game with Akiyama, the Musical Chair game, but everything ends up completely different and worse off, but Akiyama wins and the elite woman is sorry (??) and everyone lives happily ever after
Frankly, Reborn is even worse than the manga ending, such a garbage addition to what could have been the best way a Liar Game series could have ended

>>283691088
>>283691536
Seriously, why not One Outs S2? From what I've heard this only happened because people were marathoning One Outs on Jap Netflix during COVID and it went popular again
The whole 3 rookies arc was peak and we never got that

>>283685194 (OP)
Happy but that ending though

>>283692128
Interesting.

>>283692343
I'm still pissed that back when I read the manga, the scanlators skipped a bunch of chapters and went "you've already seen the anime, so we'll skip them to get to the new stuff faster".

>>283691356
Its pretty great. Even after all this time its still my favorite scifi vn story. The soundtracks great and having hidari art is a nice bonus

>>283694556
At least someone else picked it back up and TLed the last parts of the adapted portion and completed it
Before MD decided to be a wimpy bitch and deleted them off the site

For psychological anime like Kaiji, Liar Game is very mid. The situations aren't as brutal, and the protagonist is a moralfag. And yet this could easily be the best anime of 2026 due to how fucking low the bar to seasonal anime has fallen. At this point they could start adapting random manga/novels from the 2000s and the 90s and it could be better than anything made today.

>>283685516
Another Live Action retelling of Old Maid has just been slated for development because of this post Anon.

>>283688635

Its a very cromulent word around here.

Kakegurui always gets too much hate in these threads when it's the only series other than Liar Game I've ever seen where the characters consistently operate competently and the games are mostly about logic instead. Even Kaiji is filled with people making dumb fuck decisions out of impulse in order to keep the story moving and Usogui is an endless series of ass pulls.

>>283695868
Fukunaga alone is gonna make threads unusable.

>>283685194 (OP)
Isn't this some fucking unc anime? Who's still watching death game stories in year 2026?

>>283687773
Depends on if they fix the ending. I can't imagine something on Death Note tier art and animation where the show just ends with the MC setting in front of a computer a dark room watching news stories on China. Would be the biggest fuck you in recent anime.

>>283685194 (OP)
Now? Why? For wat purpose?

>>283696959
Running out of things to adapt. We have officially reached endgame. Even canceled shit are getting adaptions.

>>283696959
It was popular enough to get a live action adaption back when it was running. I don't see why not.

>>283696978
Kaiji will return from jail?

>>283696998
If theres no new story or ending then what for. I'll just read the manga again...

>>283697066
Because they have animators sitting on their hands and it's slim pickings out there.

This genre is my junkfood anime. But give it to me straight, does it have a shitty gary stu mc like this asshole because I think I'll pass if it's this type of 'smart' mc.

>>283697839
Nao is introduced as a giga gullible good girl who gets scammed and needs help.

>>283697066
Most anime don't majorly change the story of what they're adapting, so you could ask this about nearly every anime. Sometimes it's just nice to see the thing you like with animation, color, and sound. It will also be the default way most people will experience the story after it's out, for better or for worse depending on how good the adaption is

>>283685194 (OP)
They literary announced it was just a promo for the manga's re-release. What the hell dude?

>>283685194 (OP)
my highschool japanese teacher played the live action drama of the manga in class when we were good
is the manga worth reading?

>>283685423
>The ending is so offensively bad that there is no way they'll just roll with it
Oh my sweet summer child

>>283685194 (OP)
If Taniuchi isn't on the beat, idc.

>>283695976
kek

>>283694556
I noticed that they skipped some pages early on. I didn't realize they skipped entire chapters. This is why you have to be able to read Japanese in order to read manga. Fan translations often suck.

The fan translation for Liar Game becomes terrible starting at the Musical Chair Tag arc. Liar Game is my favorite manga and I don't believe you can properly enjoy it unless you know Japanese. I'm happy it's getting an anime so that I'll be able to talk about it with people. I hope Hideki Taniuchi does the music.

>>283689142
The most unbelievable part of Liar Game is that even the weaker players are smart. They all have excellent mental math abilities at the bare minimum.

I haven't read Liar game, but I've heard of it. Is this the origin for stuff like tomodachi game?

>>283692128
I felt that there were a number of games skipped until The Final Stage. Yokoya had dropped out before the start of that game, and apparently he was grateful to Akiyama for saving him. None of that happened in the manga.

>>283685779
I thought the ending was good. It wrapped up all the mysteries. How would you have ended Liar Game?

>>283698338
NTA, but they basically split Yokoya's character in two. Season 1 ends with the smuggling game (and the reveal of the ringleader behind The Liar Game deciding to shut everything down, but then in season 2 it turns out he's only one of the elites behind Liar Game). Season 2 has the Poker, Russian Roulette, Stationary Roulette, Pandemic and then a repeat of the smuggling game with this magician larper girl who was classmates with Akiyama in college (and apparently reference the Roots of A side-manga).

>>283685194 (OP)
nice, it's been a long time since I've read the manga, so re-experiencing it by watching would be nice

>>283685194 (OP)
So only richfags can get invited? Otherwise you cannot put up collateral for the prize money

>>283686053
Sure, it would have been difficult to write a conclusion that was truly satisfying, but what we got was horrendously awful and nonsensical. Maybe he couldn't do great because he lacked proper setup, but he could have at least done mediocre instead of terrible.

>>283685194 (OP)
Another "laughing at One Punch Man" session

>>283686383
>Code Geass relies on an extraordinarily incompetent enemy and lots of stupid plot devices
So just like Death Note?

>>283697839
it has a dumb girl mc who is always accompanied by 10000 IQ giga genious pretty boy. Also for some fucking reason the third most important character is a tranny.

>>283689306
umineko stops being about mistery and starts being about anime magic girl battles in like episode 5. All of answers arc is pretty shit but I do like Erika quite a bit.

>>283698577
No, you're given a loan effectively. And because you're poor, you can only pay the loan by winning effectively.

>>283689423
>vlr above 999 and aa
lol. lmao even.

>>283685825
was contraband the airport game? That's where I stop reading.

Round one always made me wonder. You have to return the money that you were given at the start of the round, as marked by their adjacent serial numbers, but what if someone just went to the horse races or casino and bet it all? If (and to be fair, this is a big if), they won, then what happens?

>>283687773
Anime tourists are extremely easy to impress. If the animation is good, this will be a hit 100%

Which live action was the best?

>>283698813
This. Unlike animefags intellectual manga enjoyers prefer deep thought-provoking mangas with good mature writing like in /tv/ and /lit/.

>>283686056
Somehow they won't make a As God's will anime despite being about games and that netflix korean show copying it
It only has one movie though

>>283685194 (OP)
>we could have had kaiji s3 instead of this
fuuuuuuuuuck

>>283685682
Four chapters an episode, two cours, done.

>>283699338
Rushed pacing and still only reaches 100 chapters.

>>283699283
Good thing we got the happy ending instead. The remaining of Kaiji is just mahjong.

>>283699626
>The remaining of Kaiji is just mahjong.
I wish that was true

>>283685194 (OP)
ok but why? Why make an anime now? Anybody who cared already read the manga in full.

>>283691356
people like to pretend remember11 is really smart as cope to justify the unfinished ending. Yes you can figure out the ending and yes there is an-universe interpretation justifying the unfinished ending (your alarm bells should be ringing here) but the author has gone on record there was supposed to be more.

>>283700333
The braincrack genre has tons of fans that don't read mangas for one reason or another

>>283700333
The English translation is garbage starting with the Musical Chairs arc though. Unreadable in my opinion.

>>283700561
Huh why? I don't recall any problems with the translation

>>283700561
Name at least 17 different examples of the translation being bad.

>>283685194 (OP)
the darkness never ends....

I faintly recall some minor annoyances with the translation not translating some words or awkward phrasing, but nothing even remotely close to making me think it is unreadable

Doing some search the only criticism I found to the English translation is that it messes up Fukunaga's pronouns and comes off as transphobic

>>283698745
episode 2*

>>283700748
I went back and tried to find the bad translation, but couldn't find it. I read the manga back in 2021, so maybe the translation was updated since then. I can't believe I wasn't able to find the good translation if it existed back then.

>>283685258
LA is better

>>283685597
>to a lesser but still notable extent, Death Note.
light yagami is a dumbass
he behaves like the average 4chan user

What is /a/'s opinion on Fukunaga?

He is my favorite character in the manga aside from Akiyama himself. Loved his character arc and he is very fun in general. I dislike trannies but Fukunaga is cool in my book.

Also, assuming the anime retcons him from being a transvestite to being trans, would this change /a/'s opinion on him/her?

>>283702067
Light is not a dumbass. He is a genius with gigantic ego problems. He could have remained anonymous, but he wanted to be acknowledged as a god, and more importantly he wanted to kill L because he can't tolerate the fact that a random faggot like L could defy a god like himself. His ego trip is what allows the manga to even exist, otherwise there would be no conflict since he would remain anonymous forever.

I enjoyed seeing the lengths he would go doxxing himself just to attract L.

Also
>he behaves like the average 4chan user
If you think this, you're an anime only. Manga Light is a completely different person and he behaves like his innocent self for most of the manga, only really corrupting himself after L's death.

>>283702225
I remember thinking it was the right way to do a woke character. It would be bad if they retconned it that way. Transvestitism is a quirky hobby. Transgenderism is a wild delusion. It completely changes a character.

>>283702225
>Also, assuming the anime retcons him from being a transvestite to being trans, would this change /a/'s opinion on him/her?
Fukunaga's appearance in adaptations has always been somewhat funny to me. In the JP tv show, Fukunaga is just quirky dude who can make his voice high pitched, while in the KR tv show, Jaime is just a really bitchy woman who pretended to be a doormat of a girl.

>>283700333
Same reason Kaiji randomly got a dub a couple years back, despite being licensed with a sub-only release for like 6 years.

Westerners love Squid Game.

>>283685194 (OP)
>Madhouse
>Kaiji director
This is an extremely pleasant surprise. But somehow it will turn out bad. Hope for the best, expect the worst.

>>283702277
>He is a genius
he never ever shows intelligence in the entire series
>He could have remained anonymous, but he wanted to be acknowledged as a god, and more importantly he wanted to kill L because he can't tolerate the fact that a random faggot like L could defy a god like himself. His ego trip is what allows the manga to even exist, otherwise there would be no conflict since he would remain anonymous forever.
thats just a dumbass

>>283702641
You're genuinely too stupid to appreciate it. And also an anime only, which can't be stated enough.

>>283702407
The catch is that it's not Madhouse. That's a leak, and we all know what happens when a leak sounds too good to be true. Although the leaker is reputable, he's been wrong before.
>>283702334
The harsh reality is that making him a transvestite worked back then, but today it would offend a lot of people. At the same time, transgenderism is just not what Fukunaga is, it'd be a completely different person.

I think the best way to adapt him to (current year) sensibilities would be making him a drag queen. It's the politically correct equivalent of a transvestite.

>>283702277
>gigantic ego problems.
Light only had problems when the authors deemed convenient for him to fall so they can have their moralfag cuck ending.

>>283702817
empty insults
he killed lind taylor out of pure pettiness
ren only existed to save his pathetic existence
misora died thanks to plot induced stupidity
mello owned his sorry ass three times

>>283702910
Light's ego screwed him up the moment he killed Lind L Taylor, which forfeited anonymity.

No, even earlier than that. His ego screwed him up the moment he started killing with a clear pattern.

>>283702910
the moral of the story is if you are so smart then you dont need a magical book to accomplish your goals

I still can't believe it's 2025 and some people still think Light didn't remain anonymous because he was stupid
Imagine being so dumb you can't even understand the first chapter of death note

>>283703095
You can bet $100 bucks that these guys are just repeating a Youtuber's shit opinion. For some reason a lot of these grifters love their "gotcha" videos on plots they don't understand.

alot of butthurt light yagami fanboys in this thread
your boyfriend was a moron
deal with it bitches

>>283702334
Live action bowl cut Fukunaga was hilarious, one of the best things about the adaptation.

>>283703330
Not a fan. Death note is garbage. But you have no right to criticize it if you didn't understand one of the foundations of chapter 1 (that is also explained again and again over the manga).

>>283703095
>>283703169
light being stupid has been a popular reddit opinion since decades, it's what happens when you watch at 2x

>>283703338
Meant to reply to >>283702366

>>283702866
>I think the best way to adapt him to (current year) sensibilities would be making him a drag queen
not sure how I'd feel about this, what even is the difference between drag queen and transvestite?

>>283703391
he finds misora by sheer luck he had no idea that woman was after him

>>283703486
>what even is the difference between drag queen and transvestite?
One's a job, the other's mental sickness!

>>283703391
No wonder. Reddit loves vapid and empty moralization while at the same time being a hivemind of retards due to upvotes.

>>283703486
Transvestite is a term used to describe anyone that dresses as the opposite sex. It is considered a dated term.

Transgender is for people that not only dress as the opposite sex, but also claim a gender opposite to their sex.

Drag queen is for people that dress as the opposite sex for performance reasons, but still keep their gender equivalent to their sex.

So basically both drag queens and trannies are transvestites. The difference is whether you are being a transvestite as a hobby for entertainment, or if you actually believe you are a woman.

In the English translations I've read, Fukunaga was unambiguously portrayed as a drag queen (he didn't think he was female). But I've seen people criticize this and claim it is mistranslated and in the original he actually believes he is a woman (which would make him a tranny). Honestly it is impossible to tell which term would be more appropriate without knowing Japanese and looking at the original dialogue, which unfortunately is beyond my scope.

>>283703393
>>283703338
He even got a special to himself with Yokoya and that ends up being half of the total games live action Yokoya partakes in lmao

>>283703560
kek

fukunaga doesnt mind being called a she or a he

>>283703570
>I've seen people criticize this and claim it is mistranslated and in the original he actually believes he is a woman (which would make him a tranny)
not saying that is or isn't the case, but progressives will make that claim for any transvestite character, I'd take it with a grain of salt

>>283703570
From what I know the adaptation can spin it either way because it is extremely ambiguous. At one point the manga clearly defines Fukunaga as a woman, but at another the author states he "crossdresses to trick people". Also Fukunaga is referred with both "-san" and "-chan" honorifics, and when asked what he prefers he said he doesn't care and people can call him however they want
I think it's a combination of 1) the author trying to be purposefully ambiguous, 2) the entire idea of transgenderism not being developed enough during liar game's release, and 3) the author being especially incompetent at handling Fukunaga's gender dynamics

The ending quote about "The "Darkness" is something I would expect fucking Sandrovich to write.

>>283702225
>He
>he
>trannies
>him
Stop
stop
stop
bro,
stop

>>283703921
?

He literally says he is okay with being called a "he" in the manga

>>283703941
but I'm not......

>>283703953
Why?

I always had the impression Fukunaga was an intelligent gay man who enjoyed dressing up as a woman and fooling people. They'll probably get a male seiyuu for him.
>>283703486
I think drag queens are mostly gay men while transvestites are often straight men who like cross-dressing, maybe agp falls under this umbrella too.

>>283704230
>They'll probably get a male seiyuu for him.
If Luffy and Naruto have a female voice actor Fukunaga would easily be a case of a female voice actor. He also has to be unambiguously female during minority game to cement the fact he fooled Naomi and Akiyama so well that Akiyama could only deduce he was a man because of his slip when talking about the check.

>>283698265
I don't want to sound like the braincrack schizo but tomodachi game is genuinely not the same genre

I remember the chapters being 90% walls of text and overly complex descriptions of what everyone is trying to do. If they cut that out it will be easier to adapt 3 or even 4 chapters into a single episode, but it will lose its essence. What does /a/ think?

Slideshow that will be animated only by Koreans incoming

>>283686056
>YKK is unadaptable
>even though it's more relevant than ever

>>283702225
I agree with you, and in that sense it felt like shit when he was simply beaten offscreen before the final arc (then again, the whole final arc and ending were shit on their own, so that might have been the real issue)
>Also, assuming the anime retcons him
It would be a nonsensical change, but ultimately not so important/relevant to the plot, unless they also change it into a flamboyant annoying cunt or if they push his barely mentioned attraction to Akiyama
But considering the live-action series takes on him as >>283702366 mentioned, it's really gonna be unexpected

>>283703560
lmao ye cheeky cunt you're a top bloke

>>283702225
>retcons him from being a transvestite to being trans

is there even a difference

>>283705173
see >>283703560 and >>283703570

I cant see liking the work beyond the games and the solutions, because the characters sucks and the plot is non existant

>>283705609
>the characters sucks
No they don't

>>283685194 (OP)
I hope the girl gets a lot of good hentai

>>283705647
yes they are, all of them are simple mouth pieces of full blown exposition of the author, i cant see them as characters, fukunaga and hitler larper were the only decents but just that

>>283697928
>my highschool japanese teacher
Your what now? What country was this?

>>283705700
Every arc has a good protagonist (Akiyama) and a good antagonist (Fukunaga and Yokoya), that's what it needs to be good. Not every manga has to be one piece and feature 500 colorful characters.

>>283705806
considering akiyama as the protagonist of the arcs its a big fat lie lmao, Akiyama doesn't say a single word until the very end of each game to solve the murder; that's why the perspective is always from the idiot characters' POV, to make the game seem more difficult than it is. Also, i dont he is a decent character, neither Nao. Akiyama is a gary stu done bad and nao mindless idiot not of them have character development in the series

>>283705685
True, Nao is cute. I don't think much exists at all right now, but I could be wrong.

>>283697928
the liveaction is good, they changed the whole core thematic story. The manga is low bottom average

>>283705913
>noooooo every character must be shinji from evangelion and be a piss baby and shit his pants AIEEEEEE

>>283706065
stop projecting your problems

>>283685194 (OP)
I’ve heard of it but never checked it out. I’m more curious now.

>>283695976
That’s not justice

>>283705913
Nao learns how to lie, Akiyama learns how to trust. There is character development.
>Akiyama doesn't say a single word until the very end of each game
This is completely wrong did you even read the manga past the first game? He is the protagonist of Contraband and Musical Chairs (the main arcs of the manga), I don't even recall Nao doing anything. Hell in Minority Game she is quickly removed from the game and Akiyama plays alone. In the pandemic game he controls everything from the start. I have no idea how you can possibly suggest Nao is more of a protagonist than Akiyama.

>people complaining Nao does not solve the games
>and that akiyama does too much
Is this a death note situation where people don't understand the point of the characters?

Akiyama is the one who solves the games. Nao is the one who forces him to do it in an ethical way that involves saving all the other players. Because Akiyama is always like "hey we can nodiff these players and win all the money effortlessly", but Nao goes "no no you're not beating anyone, I want you to stalemate the game in a very specific way that leads to the least amount of casualties possible and with us two specifically losing so that we can save the other losers" and then Akiyama is like "fucking hell you're turning this way more complicated than it has to be"

>>283707139
>Nao learns how to lie, Akiyama learns how to trust. There is character development.
barebones, still that doesnt make them decent characters

i did, liar game has the structure of a murder mistery of agatha christie. Everyone is having a meltdown until the detective unravels the mystery.


> I don't even recall Nao doing anything
read the manga again idiot, she was the reason akiyama beat hitler in the first place. Akiyama isnt the MC but Nao, the live action confirmed that

>>283707535
>the detective of the murder mystery is not a main character

>>283708034
The fact that he's the one who solves the mystery doesn't make him the main spotlight in this case. Furthermore, Poirot is closely and personally involved with the entire crime until he finally solves the case, while Akiyama only sees them having a meltdown until he gets involved at the end.

>>283708113
You're retarded

In minority game he reunites everyone and creates the entire plan they would follow

In pandemic he starts the game with his magic gimmick that sets the flow of the whole game

In contraband he controls everything from the start. Akiyama is formally acknowledged by everyone as the LEADER of their team, and everything everyone does is in strict obedience of his orders.

In musical chairs he also calls the shots from the start.

You just didn't read the manga. He has way more screentime and lines than Nao.

>>283708161
i did, you are just a retard

>>283708113
>>283708161
the liar game formula isn't really subtle
>first 70% of the game is shinichi doing his strategy
>then 20% of shinichi being quiet as everything goes to shit and you think everything is lost
>then they win and the last 10% is shinichi explaining why he won as the strategy of the first 70% was just a bait and switch
no idea why that anon is suggesting he only has screentime at the last part but every game does have a moment where he goes silent and lets things play out

>>283708192
>no response to my specific examples of Akiyama controlling each game from the start
I accept your concession.
>>283708203
In comparison Nao does nothing other than follow his orders. In some games she does ONE thing by herself and it is such a big deal exactly because she is normally useless.

>>283685194 (OP)
Fuck yeah. Shame about the ending but the musical chairs arc was so memorable.

>>283707217
light yagami is an idiot
no matter how much you deny it

>>283708705
kill yourself

>>283685194 (OP)
Ate they fixing the ending?

Don't really want to invest myself on the Death Note discussion, but as someone who followed the daily threads months ago or however long ago it was, I just want to say that DN has plenty of retarded shit and plot convenience bullshit. It was entertaining, but not a high IQ entertainment product by any stretch of imagination. Even L went full retard allowing Light to hold the Death Note, which led to his death. Also L getting himself being peer pressured into leniency despite being obvious to everyone who Kira 1 and 2 were, granted that was more on the whole Misa coming into existence shitfest.

>>283712045
how the fuck are we supposed to know

>>283712753
>Even L went full retard allowing Light to hold the Death Note, which led to his death
ah yes how didn't L know in advance that light erased his own memories in such a way that merely touching the death note would allow him to regain them, this is so obvious he just had to read the manga to find out what a fucking retarded speedreader L is

>>283685194 (OP)
Usogui adaptation after this would be insane.

>>283685597
>It only takes a couple chapters of Usogui to realize that it won't have one single genuine mind game.
You haven't read deep enough. It starts getting gud after chapter 200

>>283712792
He knew Light was Kira 1 thanks to Misa. He couldn't prove but he knew, therefore there was no reason for him to even touch the Death Note. What he did is the same as letting his daughter alone for 3 minutes with a guy that he knows is a rapist. Death Note is a highly efficient murder tool that requires 1 second to be used. He doesn't need to know what kind of tricks Light is going to pull up, he just needs to know Light's win condition is the Note, therefore access to it should be denied at all costs. There is 0 benefits from allowing it but plenty of risks.
And don't even reply to me again without a pic of your hand with a timestamp, because just like L and Light situation, I know for a fact you're a shitskin, I just can't prove it.

>>283713733
>He knew Light was Kira 1 thanks to Misa
Keyword "was". He knew that Light used to be Kira, and he also knew with the same certainty that Light wasn't Kira anymore.

Also the fact you drop your suspension of disbelief at letting Light touch the death note is weird. He is already letting Light participate in the entire investigation to get Kira. Isn't THAT weird? The entire gimmick of death note is that Light and L give each other way too much trust in attempts to outsmart each other, it's a game of cat and mouse.

He also considered that Light could have concocted an overly complex plan that would lead to him being Kira, but going from this to never letting him touch the notebook is a jump in logic. He might as well never let Light see the full moon, after all what if it's like licantrophy and he could regain his memories that way? Oh and what if it comes back if he eats sushi? You could go nuts with the conspiracy theories.

Anyway it is later revealed that this entire time L had a plan to prove once and for all that Misa and Light were actually Kira, and this could only be stopped by Rem's actions. So what led to L being killed was not really Light touching the death note. It is an inevitability that eventually L would catch Misa, which would force Rem to save her. Light's win condition was achieved way earlier, the process of regaining the death note only serves to ensure Light's legacy continues. And if L didn't allow Light to touch the death note, whatever, the rest of the task force would allow it. Light had already been established as L's successor.

>>283685194 (OP)
Oh shit
I actually wanted that

>>283685194 (OP)
So just to be clear, Was the ending a meta commentary about his editor not letting him tell the ending he wanted to?
Because ever since I supposed that I haven't been able to get it out of my head

>>283714840
Someone itt said that the author said he was done with the manga and didn't have anything else to tell

The author just fumbled the ending

I know this is hard to believe because the entire point of this manga is that it is high IQ so why the fuck would a high IQ author fumble the narrative itself? But if you think about it, it makes sense in a poetic way

How would (You) fix the ending?

>>283702067
Death note is a tragedy, light yagami has flaws
That's the whole point
Anyone could use the death note to just kill all politicians and move on. Light himself could have just taken the eyes and instantly won

>>283714924
You have to rewrite the manga from scratch to fix the ending.

The biggest problem with the ending is why the fuck Akiyama thinks he can beat this organization by getting to the end of the games. Like, let's say he gets to the last game. So what? How is he going to hurt the organizers?

It is completely beyond me to answer how the author could fix this. He would have to rewrite the manga from scratch.

Like, at some point Akiyama could betray the group and join the organization? Or something like that? I'm just trying to say it has to be a very major change, and the manga has to go beyond simply being "go to the next game", they have to move to a different arc. I hate what Kaiji turned into what with the mahjong faggotry, but it is a good example of how a braincrack manga has to reinvent itself, you can't just keep spamming the same games infinitely and expect the plot to get somewhere, the mc has to get out and so something in the real world

>>283714924
You could just have it so that at the end of the game akiyama gets a job offer by the big bads, then timeskip, then nao is invited to another game, then akiyama does his 500iq inside job plan that destroys the liar game corporation (That is somehow only possible because nao still trusted him after he pretended to be evil)
(This would also require you write atleast one more good game that somehow allows akiyama to ruin the reputations of all the businessmen and get them instantly arrested but that's for the writers)

alright
Braincrack anon
Redeem yourself to me
Name 3 good new braincrack manga you have found in your journies
Manga specifically, never before recommended in these threads
You have been searching for new braincrack right?

>>283685597
Usogui was incredible, you just weren't paying enough attention to enjoy it

>>283715291
It can be incredible without being braincrack

I didn't read all of it so tell me honestly, is it braincrack like kaiji or is it more like kakegurui which is more fireworks but no execution?

>>283715259
Good job trying to disguise your recommendation request as a taunt

Anon it is a dead genre. This is the entire reason why I am trying to coin "braincrack". The genre is dead because people don't even know it exists because there is no word to describe it. You know in 1984 when they say that the Party has invented words and taken some from the dictionary so as to shape people's thought? It's the same principle, if we don't even have a word to describe the genre how are people supposed to create stories that emphasize its strengths?

Anyway since you want recommendations here are some somewhat unconventional braincrack recommendations
>Ultimate Rock Paper Scissors
>Ten
>Gambling Empror Legend Zero
>Liar Game (literally the best braincrack manga ever, I can't emphasize enough that whoever sympathizes with the genre should read this, it's just on an entirely new level compared to the rest)
>Urasawa
>Kamisawa

I also often say Jojo can be braincrack, especially parts 2 and 5.

>>283715474
>Disguise
Huh?
>It is a dead genre
And HAVE you been looking?
You wouldn't just be browsing 4chan all day not actually contributing to your hobby would you?
There is always someone writing something, and none of these have ever been mainstream
At very least you could read detective stories or something
>how are people supposed to create stories that emphasize its strengths?
Firstly, the word doesn't matter, only the idea, and the idea is something you aren't able to get into too much detail on. Try writing a braincrack story, even if it's bad, and maybe you will understand it's structure better
>unconventional braincrack recommendations
Anon I have been in these fucking threads before. I have seen you before. I specifically implied in my comment that I had been in these threads and wanted something that was not found in these "Braincrack" Threads
Why even respond if you are going to ignore the world and repeat?
Are you just getting defensive because people don't like the word? and speaking without thinking? I would have hoped for better from you, oh guardian of the genre
I honestly would like a world where we can just talk about manga together but it seems you only take what you are given. Not enough passion
Also, Kamisawa doesn't come up under anything. What is it?

Anyway
>>283715342
Usogui is braincrack

>>283715867
It was a typo, I meant Kamisama (no Iu Toori)
>You wouldn't just be browsing 4chan all day not actually contributing to your hobby would you?
There is nothing to contribute. I am merely a consumer. And there is little to be found outside of these threads.

Thinking you can generate a new braincrack manga just by looking hard enough is akin to opening your fridge consecutively in hopes that eventually you'll spot a meal you hadn't noticed before.

>the word doesn't matter, only the idea, and the idea is something you aren't able to get into too much detail on
Well I think this is one of the magic things about braincrack. It is something everyone intuitively feels, but to describe it in words is hard. Or maybe I am just not up to the task.

Anyway, I have tried to accurately described braincrack several times in these threads.

Why braincrack? "Brain" means every move in the story has a rational basis and could have been predicted by the audience. "Crack" because it induces a mental high; the satisfaction of pure reasoning and clarity clicking into place.

Braincrack features pure, transparent logic that is not carried by the MC's opponents being incompetent or by the MC having some sort of supernatural ability like godly memory (I am looking at you Yumeko). The solutions to braincrack puzzles are derived from clearly established rules and information. The ruler can see them coming if they are clever enough. It prioritizes cognitive engagement over spectacle (which is not to say it can't have spectacle, but it must be the natural product of the cognitive engagement). There is fair play (no deus ex machina, no asspulls). There is psychological minimalism, so no solving games because of soap-opera drama (like Jotaro beating Darby by having him breakdown over the pressure). And this goes without saying but it must be a cat and mouse battle.

Seriously can you read this post and claim I have nothing concrete for defining the genre?

>>283716048
Yes

>>283716083
I walked right into that one didnt' I

has anyone else read Kurosagi

>>283716612
Yes

Is this another one of those generic death game shows with some cringe ass MC?

>>283716048
how much sports anime have you scoured for similar mental mind games?

>>283714967
>Death note is a tragedy
nope death note its a comedy with a dumb villain protagonist

>>283685194 (OP)
It's a decade too late, people will just call it a Squid Game knockoff

>>283689581
I forgot him. He is a based faggot and was one of my favorite characters, I guess it's too much to hope for that people will embrace him

>>283718125
Liar Game had a Live Action before Squid Game ever came along. Normalfags didn't care cause it wasn't easily available on Shitflix. They're not going to care about the animated version either. Or rather, as with the Live Action they won't even know it's something that exists.

>>283685597
Cringe

>>283685597
Based

Thoughts on Tomodachi Game and Alice in Borderland?

>>283686849
999 has a bunch of escape rooms

>>283698756
VLR is superior to 999, but it requires 999 existing to be good at all since it plays off your knowledge of 999 and it's plot to set up mysteries and twists.

>>283698745
>starts being about anime magic girl battles in like episode 5
>when there's not a single anime magic girl battle anywhere after EP5 until a portion of EP8

Is mindgames/"Deathgames" a relatively unexplored genre or am I just missing out on a lot of them?

>200+ chapters of "BUT ACTUALLY, YOU WERE WROOONG! HAHAHAHA- wait... m-masaka..." bullshit with the cool and aloof bishonen winning by using the author's childish interpretation of game theory
I'm still upset at the anon who told me to read this drivel. Zero tension after the first two arcs, unlikeable characters and the games aren't even particularly creative.

>>283685845
Musical Chairs and Contraband were the only two well-written games, so yes, I did like it
>>283714924
Scrap EVERYTHING after Musical Chairs, and that includes
>"haha, I'm Yokoya, I'm smart, I just go to a random library, look up a book about IRL Liar Game and spoil myself every upcoming game! That way I'll just sweep every game from now on!"
>"Akshually, Harimoto was always a good guy, it was random bitch who joined his cult that was the real mastermind and manipulated every move of his, but then Bid Poker ends and Nao talk-no-jutsu her and Harimoto to pay up and quit."
>"haha the big twist of Four Kingdoms is that players just signed an agreement behind the scenes! Such genius writing!"
>"muh conspiracy and shadow government keeping the truth hidden from public even after we reveal it! Also this is the end of manga lol"
plus Bid Poker and Four Kingdoms had awful game design by default, so they should be scrapped as well
keep the status quo between Akiyama, Yokoya and Harimoto while actually trying to write the story behind masked men and Liar Game's origins

>>283718860
Missing out.
It's been done over and over.

>>283718790
VLR sets up ZTD so it'll always be inferior by association.

>>283719056
Which do you recommend?
>VLR sets up ZTD
Mars Test Site was set up pretty well, not VLRs fault that they had an insanely small budget and Uchikoshi changed the script since VLR was released.
I just want ZE4 man, Uchikoshi said that Santa would show up again earlier this year so there is hope.

>>283719069
Best part of VLR is how Junpei gets tossed by Akane like a used rag.
Should've left her to burn in 999.

>>283719104
That is rude and also non-canon as the secret ending isn't canon

>>283698767
Yes

>>283719127
Funny how the backlash from VLR forced our favorite hack writer to force a happy ending.

>>283719219
Is ZTD really a happy ending though? They are right where they left off at the end of VLR, just now with a different doomsday scenario on the horizon

>>283719234
The shippers got their official pairing.

>>283685194 (OP)
holy shit. Nice.

>>283686566
>Don't tell me you got filtered by V3.

My brother in Christ

> Be Kodaka
> Have an explosively popular series that exposed his name to the other side of the world
> Latest game's ending revolves around the point of "The fans keep demanding more and more and more of the series!"
> Director ACKTUALLY means: XXXXXXX
> After game releases, Director leaves the company
> Has never worked on the IP since


My brother in Christ, what do you think the Director meant?

>>283685194 (OP)
Finally a good reason to post this

>>283718880
shut up weeaboo

>>283691356
Why would a random chart on the internet ever lie to you?

>>283718693
It's not braincrack but both are okay as a story