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What is the equivalent of the classical genre, which in literature is Epic poetry, tales with grand themes, high stakes, of heroes and heroic deeds, and with mythological imagery, in anime? Is it the fantastical adventures of Ghibli movies? The deep and mature seinen themes of Frieren and Takopi's Original Sin? The harems, powerups, and aura farming of Parasyte and Solo Leveling? The symbolic imagery of Neon Genesis Evangelion and Death Note?

who gives a fuck man go get a job

>>283720631 (OP)
None of that? Read some gekika

>>283720652
Fuck off, fuckface.

>>283720631 (OP)
just so you know SAO brvtally mogs all of those tryhard trash (except Parasyte)

>>283720840
>tryhard
how

>>283720631 (OP)
>which in literature is Epic poetry, tales with grand themes, high stakes, of heroes and heroic deeds, and with mythological imagery
Dostoievski mogs that shit

>>283720881
booktok scrollers be like

>>283720631 (OP)
boku no pico

>>283720881
Russian "literature" is just misery porn for losers
Even isekai shows are better than that slop

>>283720910
Better than any muttoid literature

>>283720881
Parasyte single handedly mogs all of muh literature pseudo-intellectual trash

>>283720910
>>283720930
There is no reason to fight, no russian or american could get close to this level of perfection

>>283720961
Dostoievski is supposed to be pseudo-intellectual? I found him very easy to read

>>283720996
to SAOfags anything seems pseud

>>283720652
What's your job?

>>283720631 (OP)
The answer is Infinite Jest by David Foster Wallace.

>>283722580
Me? I'm a janitor. I do it for free.

What is mature about takopi? The happy happy <3 ending <3 or the cheap shock value??

>>283720631 (OP)
Stealth recc thread is obvious, but classical literature's anime equivalent would primarily be works like this
>Devilman (Manga)
>Ashita no Joe
>Ace wo Nerae
>Chirin no Suzu
>(Maybe) Zambot 3
>Galaxy Express 999?

>>283723715
old good new bad aah list

>>283723779
>ask for classical
>get classical
Most works fail to qualify as classical because they're too responsive or become too modernist, and inevitably a lot of the modern is detached from themes that are personable to normal people and become more reflective of greater ideas that permeate a given moment in time.
Works like Chainsawman, Jujutsu Kaisen, and My Hero Academia all carry similar roots in their themes, being in the displacement of the current youth to varying degrees (Hero Academia and Jujutsu Kaisen even have similar major events in Japan itself being destabilized by the conflicts).

The works I listed are not that though. The last two I listed are iffy specifically because they deal in themes of (respectively) societal pressures rooted in long standing biases against a certain race/creed, and the other deals in the struggles of poverty to a far greater degree than the aforementioned Ashita no Joe, but all are ultimately rooted in very base, personal, human themes.

>>283723860
Do you think that Zambot 3 and Chirin no Suzu have never been surpassed though?

>>283723948
Shut the fuck up about Zambot 3.

>>283723948
Zambot 3 isn't that good really.
Chirin is though.

>>283720652
No way fag.

>>283723254
>t. average snob watcher

Hi guys.

Are we defining "Classical" by time period or by type of conflict?

>>283724050
If we defined by time period, that'd be retarded since we'd be calling works like Kyousougiga "classical".
The theme is what matters most in the definition in this discussion.

>>283724069
Okay, cool. I am going back to getting stoned before the subject of James Joyce comes up.

>>283720652
Said anon in /a/ - anime & manga

What if The Odyssey were a shonen anime?

Oh my god is that just One Piece? Is this why One Piece is 10 years long?

>>283720631 (OP)
>*pseud babble*
Prison School.

>>283720631 (OP)
Versus

>>283720631 (OP)
One Piece unironically

>>283723779
You can use the word ass in here you TikTok faggot

>>283724069
>Kyousougiga mentioned

>>283720631 (OP)
Classical literature =! epics, but realistically all epics are just ancient shounen manga. Any long-running shounen manga with a wide enough scope fits the bill. One Piece and Dragon Ball are obvious, Fate counts, even fucking Naruto or HxH work.

>>283725147
>Classical literature =! epics
why, of course, it's 19th century novels

>>283725130
Sigh... time to listen to the op...

>>283725250
That's obviously not what I'm saying. Even if you limit the scope to just Greece and Rome, you still have a shitload of didactic literature, religious, legal, and funerary texts, fables, comedies, romances, dramas, tragedies, etc. Epics are a part of it, but classical literature isn't a genre.
Shounen manga aren't either, but at least there's more grouping them together than antiquity.

>>283720631 (OP)
Almost everything on this list aside from Eva and Mononoke are complete dogshit but Devilman Crybaby has to be the most offensively bad of the bunch. Fucking terrible show

What is the anime of equivalent of a complaint tablet to Ea-nāṣir?

>>283720652
How will OP ever recover?

>>283724050
Funny you mention the types of conflict, since pretty much all the "MUH STAKES"-fags treat "Man VS Man" as the only legitimate conflict type as well as the sole source of "tension". They are somehow also the most vocal critics of slice-of-life, romcom, and isekai and feel the compulsion to prove their own tastes in literature to be superior, wanting to portray it as "healthy enlightening recreational activity" while everything else is supposedly just "time-wasting consumption of low-brow fiction".

>>283728194
>The average American reads at a 7th- to 8th-grade level
7th to 8th grade is 12 to 14 years old. Let that sink in for a second. Now ask yourself why shonen, something MADE FOR 12 to 14 year olds is so popular.

>>283728275
To elaborate on this I am not even saying shonen or what is popular is good or bad, no value judgement here. I am just saying I am aging out of anime at 36. I don't think I feel right watching a popular show when it was made for an audience at least 20 years younger than me.

But referring to your protagonists central conflict as "steaks" makes you sound insanely uneducated this is hella fucking surreal.

>>283728457
Wait...it's not the central conflict itself but how many people DIE during the central conflict? Really? Holy shit.

>>283728543
>this is what shonenfags rly believe.png

>>283728724
I get it in a sense, because so many people use killing characters as a crutch for shock value. Is Obi Wan Kenobi dying in Star Wars a plot device or does it a)establish Vader as a credible threat and b)contribute to Luke's character arc of personal growth and awakening?

It's just like on one hand I have watched and read low steaks high conflict stuff where nobody dies, and on the other hand I also watch stuff made by Tomino.

>>283728827
The paradox of steaks is that the higher stakes the plot is the less tension actually exists, because when the protagonist failing means the end of the story you know they aren't actually going to fail (barring a cheap shock value ending). Some of the most tense manga I've read have been ones where the full consequences of failure would amount to 'the protagonist will be somewhat delayed in achieving his goals' because failure actually felt like a serious possibility the author was fully prepared to throw at you.

>Epic poetry, tales with grand themes, high stakes, of heroes and heroic deeds, and with mythological imagery
One Piece. Next question.

>>283730248
Based

>>283720631 (OP)
Serious answer for you OP, it's actually long running serialized battle manga.

>>283720631 (OP)
Mecha is the unironically the Epic Fantasy of Anime.

>>283731289
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3wV-06SWAV0&t=260s

Like, just watch this and think if it dosen't scream "epic" to you.

>>283730248
this but danmachi

>>283720631 (OP)
seems like you're talking about entire mediums, not just one specific brand or category of manga. Most comics with super heroes or magic pull from mythology in some way or another

>>283720652
lol owned

>>283720652
in this economy?

>>283723715
I love all of those but other than Joe you could do much better. From the same era, you have WMT and other book adaptations, Toei film classics, gekiga manga classics, etc. And then I could accept 999 and Chirin.

>>283720631 (OP)
The problem with a question like this is it fundamentally assumes /a/ posters aren't buckbroken faggots who think obscurity merits art just because Reddit bad or whatever. In an ideal cultural setting art is hierarchical and the art that is widely known and celebrated is also the best, the only cope for this is to deny the meaning and value of the entire renaissance and epistemology of art itself which people have actually tried to do (SAD!) Lolitourists and other gaped twitter obsessed wiggers and SEAmutts that follow Grumz or Rev or whoever and post endless looping "I'm not mad, you're mad!" ragebait on every thread claim that they hate popularity because of the whole algorithmic fotm slopped up shit that discussions about anime have become, but in the absence of those maladies they'd still writhe and wail and cope and moan about good anime being successful because their minds can't process a competition they can't imagine winning. This entire board is a vain hope that someone, somewhere actually has authority over someone because they jacked to loli hentai instead of studying a medium they claim to care about.
>tldr: manga can't have an equivalent to classical literature because you can't read

Just finished another 15 pages of The Odyssey. My brain is positively swelling in edification atm, came to laugh at you faggots to cool off a little lol

>>283733888
>From the same era, you have WMT and other book adaptations,
Those felt like cheating. I scanned a lot of my older anime and thought to include Anne, Ie Naki Ko, Takarajima, but those are literally children's classics adaptations.
>Toei film classics
Not my wheelhouse. I own a few of them, but I'm more inclined to view TV anime.

>>283728194
>They are somehow also the most vocal critics of slice-of-life, romcom
fai-
>and isekai

>>283720631 (OP)
If you want stories that have an epic poetic/mythic feel to them, current examples include: Fumetsu no Anata e, Clevatess, maybe Frieren.

If you instead mean to use classic as a stand in for "really really good and I like it" then who the fuck knows. Give us what literature you have in mind and I'll give you a closer match to what you want.