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>What is /htgwg/?
How to Get Women General is by men, for men, about women, so bring all of your questions about getting and dealing with women here. Some anons on this site actually get laid, and some of them even want to help. If you're trying to meet and date women, then this is the place to ask questions, seek advice, and share experiences. We know how hard it can be. We got you bro.

>What is /htgwg/ not?
These threads are NOT for whining, moping, incels, volcels, MGTOW, hopelessness, or demoralization. We're all aware that meeting and dating women is hard today, and even harder for some, but /htgwg/ is for trying to overcome the challenges. IGNORE the posters who complain, give up, or insist there's nothing they can do. This site has other boards and threads that they can pollute. BE SMART: Spot the bait, don't reply, and DON'T WASTE TIME ARGUING WITH THEM!

>How to ask for advice
Context is important: be more specific than "This girl ghosted me, why?" We can't help if we don't know the situation, so try to provide as much (useful) info as possible ("I was at the bar, this chick was checking me out..."). What's your relationship with the girl? How long have you known her? Any conversation screenshots? Etc... Don't forget to ask an actual question.

>Resources and Books
https://wingman.live/ (AI dating coach)
https://pdfcoffee.com/318797392-mark-manson-models-2016pdf-4-pdf-free.html
https://archive.org/details/robert-glover-no-more-mr-nice-guy-id-353324692-size-612
https://www.youtube.com/@YourWingmam
https://www.doctornerdlove.com/blog/
https://pastebin.com/7U5Sdhwq (Leykis 101)
https://dokumen.pub/why-women-deserve-less-firstnbsped-1467978302-r-1917433.html
https://www.fantasticanachronism.com/p/how-to-be-good-at-dating
(new suggestions with working links are welcome)

REMEMBER: It's good to read and prepare, but don't overdo it. Get off this site: go learn and build up your social skills by meeting actual women in the real world.

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>>33874509 (OP)
Cheers, fellas.

>>33874509 (OP)
Suck me, women

Captcha: GPT0w

How do you approach groups?

>>33874565
Context?

My question from the last thread that got no replies:
I'm a 32 year old white man but I'm 5'8 so should I resort to running JBW game on ethnic women? If so where would I meet ethnic women who like men simply for being white in America? (I don't want to go to any SA or SEA country because I've never been on a plane before and might have developed a fear of flying due to lack of familiarity)

>>33874578
It wasn’t responded to bc you’re retarded.

>>33874585
I'm retarded for trying to play to my advantages?

>>33874604
>5’8”
You are taller than the average girl. It’s not your height that’s the problem. It’s you.

>>33874575
At a bar, if a woman is looking at you with intent, but she's with a group of women. Wat do

>>33874616
Not when they're in heels

>>33874620
The confidence to approach the girl is the same confidence to approach the group. I hate to use this bullshit term, but…rizz. To be able to approach them all as a group and speak to them all, with that light level of flirt that makes the group feel that slight level that they are all special, before turning your attention to the one who why you walked up in the first place.

>>33874637
Opening is the hardest part. With a solo woman it's easy. "Waiting for someone?" "Hey, I like your earrings." With a group it's hard to not feel like an intruder.

>>33874696
>With a group it's hard to not feel like an intruder.
That’s the shit. You ARE an intruder. And it not just that one girl judging you, it’s all of them. They operate off of social proof. That’s the dance. You have to take the group into account. You have to kind of rizz the group. Because if the group doesn’t like you, then that’s the wall keeping you from the girl. How do you approach? In a way that makes them all like you.

>>33874723
>How do you approach? In a way that makes them all like you.
Be tall and facially attractive, that's literally the only way to make people you are intruding on like you.

>>33874734
>Be tall and facially attractive, that's literally the only way to make people you are intruding on like you.
Yeah this is bullshit. It’s a binary. Either they want to be left alone or they want to be approached. That’s the binary.

I've never approached a woman with the intention to date her, and the reason is I don't really know how to do it. Do I just say "Hey, I think you're pretty, here's my number"? Do I have to do something to build up to that? I really don't know. It's even worse if I know the girl beforehand, because I don't know how to segway from a friendship to a relationship. I would really appreciate some help

>>33874756
>Do I just say "Hey, I think you're pretty, here's my number"?
If you have never before. Just do that. There is no secret sauce. Just take the plunge. Sure, there are nuances and tactics, but no shit…just approach.

>>33874751
>want to be approached
Approached by whom though?

>>33874776
>Approached by whom though?
Change that mindset. Approached by YOU. Be able to survive rejection and realize that they want YOU to approach.

>>33874723
I'm asking for help. What do you say?

diarrhea nigga fart

>>33874787
I did give you help, even if you couldn’t read it. You approach the group, not the one. At least in the first approach. You don’t shove them away to get to the girl you actually want lol. You know how you made approaches for just one girl?..
>Waiting for someone?
>Hey, I like your earrings.
Have the same sort of things for addressing the group of girls. Address the group, let it be something light that they all like you enough from that, then go to the individual girl.

I messaged a girl on a dating site and I really like her. We have the same taste in everything and she is smart and cool. She always replies to me and says she thinks I'm interesting.
I'm 34 and I've been a neet shutin for a long ass time, and I'm socially awkward. I'm not sure like, how to proceed, I guess. We've been messaging each other for about a week now.
I'm so afraid that she might start to think I'm boring or lame or something and lose interest or find a more interesting guy. I already told her I think she's a beautiful person and very intelligent and well, I'm just super inexperienced with women and relationships and basically everything. I'm just not sure what to do. I'm also scared to death of asking her to voice chat because the last girl I VC'd with hung up on me in the middle of a conversation

>>33875610
Ask her out retard

>>33875671
she lives in europe and i live in the US

So I liked and had sex with three times hasn’t responded to a message since the weekend. I get the feeling she lost interest but is there any way of salvaging it down the line? She is pretty busy with work and study and she doesn’t live in the same town as me but I did like her. Any suggestions on how to approach this?

Has anyone had experience hooking up at anime/gaming cons? I feel like everyone is just running around in circles.

>>33875728
Well ok keep chatting then what else can you do. You seem really obsessed with her man it's only a week and you have never met her. Stop simping so hard it's a really big turn off.
>>33875760
From apps? She might have found someone else. How often did you hang out and how often were you texting? Are both of you just looking for casual fwb or whats the goals?
If it's just casual and you hooked up say every weekend I'd wait out this week act like you're busy then next Wednesday/thursday or something send 'hey this thing still on [mic emoji]?' see if she's down that weekend. If she doesn't respond forget and go next.
If more serious idk man.

>>33875864
>Well ok keep chatting then what else can you do. You seem really obsessed with her man it's only a week and you have never met her. Stop simping so hard it's a really big turn off.
i'll try, thanks for the advice
i just think it's really cool that i met someone though who shares all my same interests and i dont want to fuck it up

>>33875863
It's possible but not as promising as it sounds
If you have a good cosplay and you're somewhat attractive you'll probably get some female attention but it's hard to translate that into a hookup especially during the con itself. A lot of cosplay girls these days are also trying to break into streaming/influencing so ego inflation levels are through the roof.
That being said I've had dates with girls I've met at cons, and I've brought girls to cons as dates, so it's not the worst venue for romantic intentions.
Forget what you've heard about orgies at cons, that's not something you want to be a part of, like at all. And your pee won't burn the week after.

>>33875868
>that's not something you want to be a part of
qrd?
If it's about them being ugly, I'm not picky. I'm mildly attractive, so I'll just have more attention.

>>33875864
Nah we met at a party, hooked up then met up the next week on Friday and Saturday night and hooked up both nights. She lives in a different town and she’s busy as so I get if she saw it as something casual but even if that’s the case I don’t want to let it be a one off. Between the first and second time we were messaging somewhat regularly but after the last weekend she would take a bit to get back to me and now it’s been radio silence since Sunday. I think I might’ve given off the impression that I thought it was more serious than she thought it was, so if there’s anything to salvage I guess it’s that.

What should I do if I'm talking to a girl and she replies to the conversation and laughs at the stuff I say but never asks any questions?

Anons, how to meet up with a bisexual woman IRL? How to kindly ask her about such experience and don’t make her feel that I interrogate her personal life? Since I live in slavic shithole, nobody is going to speak up about it to absolute random and I don’t want to waste time on a person who doesn’t have such experience. So cold approach (I suppose) won’t work here.

>>33875760
>She is pretty busy with work and study and she doesn’t live in the same town as me
Avoid busy people as they don't have the mental capacity free to entertain bullshit like you wanting to stick you dick in her and texting to ease your insecurity. Idleness is the root of all vice.

>>33874650
I'm not tall and girls like me, so there goes your graph little fella.

>>33876026
Maybe. You can try what I said, send something to see if she bites next week or in a couple weeks.

Hey yall
I just started this new class that doesn’t have many people maybe 15 of us in there
I got a seat towards the middle back of the class

There is a girl who sits towards the front and anytime she needs to throw something away or get something from across the classroom, she will purposefully walk all the way to where my seat is and literally run her fingers across my desk

At first I thought I was daydreaming shit until I purposefully put my head on my desk like I was “tired/napping” and my hand was hanging off the desk
Tell me why she walks why and brushes her ass on my hand
This can’t be an accident
I’ve never spoken to this girl before and we haven’t had a single interaction in this class

>>33876733
"Accidental touching" is never accidental when a woman does it. It's an indicator of interest

I don't frequent these threads, how many of you actually 'got women' in the past, say, month?

>cute girl at my work is friendly to me
>have a big crush on her
>didn’t make a move because not even sure if she’s single
>find her on Hinge today
Any tips on how to proceed bros? I’m wondering if I should try and talk to her there or wait for in person but the problem is I have no idea when I’ll see her in person again

>>33877108
The silence is deafening.

I may or may not go out tomorrow evening. Where should a guy with no car go?

>>33877175
Get drunk as fuck at a Halloween rave

Would I be a retarded idea to take a girl to the "student union" (it's like a little hub with some fast food places) at our college for the first date? Then if it's going well maybe suggest going to the nearby museum? I've never been on a date before for context

>>33877263
That’s a good plan, actually. Having multiple activities lined up is smart

>>33877283
Yeah I just don't know about suggesting the union, cause its mostly like chick fil a and McDonald's type food and kinda crowded but there are nice parts which are quiet. The more decent places to eat are kinda a long walk from anywhere.
Damn just looked it up and apparently they shut down the museum a year ago. Well there is an art museum too but she might've already been there. Hmmm.. I guess we'll see

How do I get over nerves? I can talk to girls I'm not attracted to or who I think of as "taken" just fine, but if I'm interested I can't seem to help dropping my spaghetti. Sure, practice, but it's bad enough to the point I can't even get my foot in the door.

>>33877415
Practice getting your foot in the door

>>33877181
I don't know if there's a party in my area

Is it a good tactic to try and flirt with all the girls in a group simultaneously? I tried it, but it didn't work. Like, more targets, more chances that one will be successful, no?

>>33877673
Google bro

Most women, especially under 35, would rather be on the end of a leash held by a man who hates her than be held in the arms of a man who loves her.

>fat women on twitter convinced high school me that girls don't want any physical contact whatsoever and now I have to work up the courage to hold my girlfriend whom I've been inside's hand in public.
how do I get over this?

>Women younger than me calling me Hun
How over is it?

>>33877108
I got 2 girls in my bed to watch movies, I have a date on Sunday, I had probably 1 date a week for the last 4 months, last gf was 4 months also the last girl I kissed/fucked. 75/25 They don't want to/I dont want to

>>33878025
This is true, I only could hold down girlfriends I regretted having. As soon as I started dating attractive women they go away so fast.
Also I'd argue you could make that estimate under 30, maybe even under 25.

>>33878174
>brought 2 girls to your bed
>didn't fuck
As someone who has been there repeatedly, you need to completely uproot and dispose of your current steez and come up with something else. You are soft and you attract birth control-poisoned asexual girls who want companionship.

>>33878025
Sounds like a Zach-ism

>>33878181
Part of what I meant is that a man's cruelty/indifference is an aphrodesiac to women while his affection is repulsive or neutral at best.

>>33878183
Hadel? Efron? Which one?

So at a bar i was talking too this girl, i showed her a trick and she seemed intrested. The thing is my conversations die pretty quickly. I know how to ask questions and start a conversation but i have a bad habit of giving short answers so the conversation dies pretty quick. Any tips on keeping the talk going?

>>33878218
If a woman can't keep a conversation going with YOU, that's her problem.
Are your conversations fast-paced and involved a lot of nervous laughter, furious head-nodding, being visibly elated over agreement over minor things and sharing shallow interests? You might be socializing like a woman and it dies out because she doesn't need another girlfriend, especially a stinky one with a penis.

>>33878223
Yes, i do tend to say yes and agree to what they are saying alot. Or say something is cool or nice and leave it at that.

So what to do instead?

>>33878271
Be colder and more indifferent. Replace joking with teasing that borders on bullying. If there are other men around, say something that makes their eyebrows raise in concern, but not so egregious it makes them want to fight you. If you honestly reflect on your life experience, you'll notice that this is how the biggest "getters" from high school and college spoke to women, and their response would be riotous panty-soaked giggling.
If you're naturally inclined toward being a sweetheart (like me!), you will only find this behavior natural after being ground into dirt by women over and over and over for years. It is a big leap of faith to deviate so strongly from your own inclinations and the messaging you've been inundated since you were born, but I promise it will pay off. Put yourself above even the hottest girl you could imagine, be delusionally self-absorbed and self-confident, don't hesitate to call a woman a cunt to her face in front of her and your friends, threaten to leave her constantly. It is the tried and true recipe to keep women on your penis consistently that has worked for thousands of years.
Human sexuality is not a happy thing. The sexual patterns of all the great apes are not happy affairs. The social contract that facilitated happy (on the surface), quiet monogamy was upended decades ago, and to play courtship is to wrestle with a woman's limbic system and uterus. This answer does not make me happy, but it works, because it is the truth.
Take solace in the fact that they literally forget every mean thing you'll ever actually say to them if you stand your ground in your interactions with them. It is selective dementia that works in your favor. The downside to this is they invent new cruel things that you did when their hormonal winds blow the wrong direction. Then you stajd your ground and tell her to stop being a cunt, and the cycle repeats once again.

>>33878271
>>33878288
I'd add this: forced, hamfisted negging is not good. It should come from a place of genuine discontent with not only the particular woman in front of you, but the nature of women in general.
What's much more powerful and should be your bread and butter is abstaining from affirmation. Cool it with the aggressive nods, "yeah"s, "uh huh"s, "thats so true"s, etc. Replace these with "damn", "that's crazy", or the king of them all, silence. Through the entire conversation, it should be *plausible* that you genuinely dislike her. The subtextual message should be, in all caps: "TRY HARDER TO MAKE ME LIKE YOU. JIGGLING YOUR TITS IS NOT ENOUGH." Maintaining that disposition while still being witty and cracking jokes is an ancient art that zoomers now call "rizz".

>>33878025
This leash analogy is pretty good.
A girl will literally leave you and/or hate you in a relationship if she's the one having to tug at the leash and you let her.
Or conversely if you're not even the one in control of the leash.

Let's treat women like they want to be treated

>>33878288
I get what you are saying, but i don't know if i have it in me to be mean too people like that. Maybe i could stand too be more honest but i don't want to neg anyone. I was the shy autistic kid in highschool.

The bar i go to is in a small neighboorhood so i am afraid they'll recognise me as "that one asshole".

I also had some shitty experience with women before but i still rather be kind.

>>33878004
You know, I've never thought of that. Only problem is that I don't have any friends to go with.

>>33878310
Then sex is not your thing. That is ok. Plenty of other fun and enriching things to strive for in this life.

My talents are WASTED

>>33878340
>Nyeh heh heh, women LOVE awkwardly phrased references to obscure, cerebral nerd bullshit! That'll get her SOAKING!!!
Enough with the motherfucking double downs. I swear to god it must cause 70% of all fumbles.
It's so fucking bad even miss piggy is ghosting you over it. For the love of god get a grip.

>>33878350
By double down I mean following up a good pickup line/joke with a shitty second one, undoing the work the first one did and leaving you bitchless.
The only reason you are motivated to do a "streak" of zingers and japes is becuase you've been on a validation drought. That is the message you communicated there. She responded rationally according to her self-interest by jumping ship for someone who actually gets some regularly.
0/10

>>33878355
Good advice I guess? Frankly I'm usually not sure where to take the conversation after the pickup line.
I'm not super upset at being bitchless anymore I was just pretty proud of coming up with that joke hoped some 4chan losers might appreciate it.

How does one find an autistic/ao3 girl? I assume they dont go out, but at the same time I know autism is higher in women and they just mask better.

Anon that only appeals to Asian FOBs here. She’s from a state over, I’d unironically go out with her or at least travel a bit domestically. How do I go about making a move? For context, I can’t for the life of me get a date with any American women.

replying to the anon from the previous thread:
>>33876840
Yeah actually I think more clearly and tend to not have too much problems socializing after I nut, which is funny because we have so many influencers and religious zealots these days trying to tell men everywhere that abstaining from masturbation will actually benefit them more in the long run. I masturbate at least once or twice a day depending on how I'm feeling and have never had problems talking or flirting with women, I've had sex with plenty of women as well, I'm not socially awkward, and have rarely ever had awkward moments with women. Nofap is a placebo in my opinion, if it works for you great, but generally speaking it's retarded.

>>33878605
I've met plenty of autistic girls at my current job as a fast food wagie, and you'd think they wouldn't work here considering how fast paced and stressful it is but apparently they do. In any case, why the hell would you wanna date one? They're annoying, have no social awareness, are incredibly naive and childish, will yap your ears off never once stopping to let you get a word in.

>>33878867
Im a bit off myself but very sociable and people like me, but I dont really ever like them. Grew up on the internet a lot and my best friend who i saw as a younger brother is autistic as shit. So part of me finds it endearing and cute

>>33874509 (OP)
>make bumble account
>set to looking for women only.
>get one like
>match
>it’s a trap with a stuffed bra in their first pic
>opening move is a tic tok meme I don’t understand
Am I just that repulsive to women?
Should I just accept that this is the closest to women I will ever get?

>>33879144
pictures are everything
girls judge you on more than just pure looks
facial expression, vibe, picture quality, fashion, hair, teeth, smile

all these can be fixed and while your looks can't
having those be top quality in every single picture is the only thing that matters in online dating

do you think your photos are top 10% of all people on the apps? if not, work hard on that over other things
if this seems gay and hard, get off the apps focus on living the lifve you like

>>33879144
no, also nice grab on that free queen, you must be very good at chest

>>33877175
>>33877181
>>33878311
I'm going alone but have a community event and a casino in mind. Both will have costume contests which could be fun.

How do I talk to the big booty African chick at work?

>>33875904
>If it's about them being ugly
Ugly AND fat
like 5 dudes that look like Michael Kovach to every girl
And you ARE walking away with some kind of STD

I've never taken part in one before, just been privy to people and groups that did that sort of thing.
Just treat con like any other place to meet women. Swap contact info, plan to meet up during or after

>>33879887
>Ugly AND fat
It's okay, I play for quantity, not quality anyway. I may be stupid and young, but I want to experience as much as I can. And preferably not die from an STD.
>And you ARE walking away with some kind of STD
I'm on PrEP anyway, just hope it won’t be hepatitis or syphilis.

Like, yeah, chances are it'll be shit and it's my mistake, but wouldn't it be fun to experience it at least once?

>Just treat con like any other place to meet women. Swap contact info, plan to meet up during or after
I think doing cosplay myself would work better than trying to rizz up cosplayers. Maybe I'm overthinking it, but I feel like they're already prepared to turn down any advances beforehand.

>>33879263
I don't have a costume either.

>>33879914
>I think doing cosplay myself would work better than trying to rizz up cosplayers.
Well yeah, that's part of the deal, you can't be a poser. I like cosplaying and dressing up so it's good for me either way.

>>33879914
>>33879921
Forgot part 2 of my reply
>I feel like they're already prepared to turn down any advances beforehand
A lot of them are, these days you get a good amount of normie attention whores who happen to watch anime or play those Chinese phone games and just dress up to show off and will brush you off. The wannabe influencers and streamers and tik tokers just want more simps.
All that said, it's entirely possible to find chicks you vibe with and go from there. IMO, that's your best bet, just find women into your cosplay or favorite anime/cartoon/comic and go from there, don't try to be the rizzler picking up hot cosplay chicks.

>>33874509 (OP)
be decent

its not that hard

ive seen super unfortunate people given a chance with world-class women. it wasnt their looks that fucked it up.

>>33879941
>resign yourself to doing the oofy doofy dance for busted & ran through for the rest of your life so you can fuck pussy that would cost you only three bills a pop if you just bought it
No thanks chief, it's moneymaxxing and teenage sugarbabies for me. You can have those "world-class" women when I'm done breeding them for their e-class payments

>>33879917
You sound pretty lame brother.

>>33879952
>moneymaxxing
The ultimate classic tactic, lol.

>>33879932
>that's your best bet, just find women into your cosplay or favorite anime/cartoon/comic
thx for the tip, will try this

>>33879958
Cuz it works
Plus moneymaxxing means you get toys like boats and jetskis and 4-wheelers and ranches and guns and safaris and tannerite and cocaine and Hellcats and harvest combines, all of which, in addition to bringing in pussy, will also give you personal enjoyment
The "rizzler" who makes girls "like him for him" has a lifespand of maybe 10 years until he ages into being "creepy." The moneymaxxer is unrestricted by age, race, height, any other factor. And I say this as a 6'2" half white half spic guy who did do quite well in his 20s when he was broke

>>33879987
>Plus moneymaxxing means you get toys like boats and jetskis and 4-wheelers and ranches and guns and safaris and tannerite and cocaine and Hellcats and harvest combines, all of which, in addition to bringing in pussy, will also give you personal enjoyment
I'm not arguing with you, but becoming as rich as you described is essentially much harder than rizzing up some girls.

>>33879952
well, you aint gonna be breeding women who are smarter than you and know what you are, but you tell yourself whatever you need to

How to get a women, by a complete nerd who actually got one, and a really hot one too (a hot, beautiful, popular Latina):
1- Know yourself. Women wont be impressed or interested if you are not sure of your own values. For example, are you vegan? Then be unapologetically vegan, don't be all uncertain or shy about it. They'll melt for the strength of your heartfelt convictions. (obviously this works much better if your conviction is a selfless thing, compared to a selfish or a very basic "guy" thing like gun ownership or videogames.)
2- Put at least some effort into your appearance. Don't dress like your mom would dress you, stay clean, stay fit, maybe go to the gym to get some hints of muscles of change diet to lose some weight.
3- Know what you want, and look for the right girl for you. Don't just invest a lot of time and effort on the first girl that accepts to go out with you. Once you get to know her, if you don't feel it, just end it and keep looking. Trust me, if its the one, you'll know, but if its not, your just wasting your life on someone that will make your life miserable on the long run.
4- Go online, use dating sites, go through and avoid hundreds of weirdos and crazies, go on a few dates with the ones you have actual connection in values, interest, humor, etc., then find the one with whom it clicks for her just as much as it clicks for you.
It takes a bit of time, but these steps are important, and if you follow them you'll find her ;)

I married my hot Latina, and we've been living happily together for 10 years. Her sex drives never goes down man! Why? Because she ACTUALLY loves me. And, again, I'm a 100% nerd. I cant speak to girls, I'm trecky, I loves videogames, science, etc... But I went to the gym a bit until I wasn't so lanky and thin, then went online and was unapologetically ME in who I am. And I was exactly what SHE was looking for.

>>33879165
I have pictures of
>me in a white suit and hat at a wedding. Taken by a professional
>me with a man dressed as a gecko
>me with abs
>a few cosplays I did
What am I missing then?
Most of these were either taken by someone else or taken professionally.

>>33880075
Id kill myself before I married a beaner

>>33879957
Yeah, I know. I just want to go out for once though.

>>33880082
in addition to pictures where you look good, you need the following
>funny pics (pets, etc.)
>pics where you are having fun with friends
>(even better) pics where you are entertaining an audience
>expensive pics (ski holidays, nice home/car, etc.)

>>33880183
Then get a costume together and get out there. Unless you truly live in the middle of bumfuck nowhere there's no excuse.

>>33880082
Sounds like decent pics. Bumble is generally a bit slower in my experience, copy the profile over to tinder and hinge. Idk how long you've been swiping. Dont right on every girl either it tanks your elo.

What's the right way to remake your tinder to reset your elo? I moved to a new city and want a fresh account.

It is said that getting in shape can help getting women.

31M.
Going to halloween party tonight. I got laid at this same party last year, but she was older than I would be happy with in hindsight and sorta ugly. I suspect she was desperate.
I’m average looking, jobmaxxed as a fireman, but just autistic enough to ping as sub-normie.
Any general advice for talking to chicks, cold approach? I intend to ignore my usual cowardice with such things.
I mainly struggle with;
>trying to converse in a crowded and loud bar scene
>what to actually talk about when looking for just a hookup
Also, I’ll be dressed up as a hotdog.

>>33874509 (OP)
See this zoomer girl at the local cafe a few times a month that lives down my street. Today I walked in while she was with another customer and I saw her face get instantly red. I talk to her, she makes good eye contact the entire time and laughs/smiles at things I say but never asks me anything back. The convo feels a mix of comfortable and awkward.

>>33880845
Did you wear a costume to the party? Did anyone who wasn't wearing a costume look out of place?

>>33874509 (OP)
La creatura

>>33880040
>you aint gonna be breeding women who are smarter than you and know what you are
There are no women smarter than me, I went to MIT for undergrad and did a PhD after and met the "most intelligent women in the world." There are ALL dumb hoes, fucking all of them are idiots pushed through by the system.

>>33879987
I mean if youre okay with only dating gold diggers

>>33881452
All women are gold diggers to one extent or another
It's about efficiency and maintaining emotional distance. When your time is worth more than shelf stocker at Lowe's it becomes a huge net negative to spend that time indulging in feminine bullshit like texting back and forth or going on dates (not even just paying for them, GOING on them, just taking the motherfucking time) just for some pussy. Then you get close to them, you break up, and you get into a fucked headspace for weeks or months like so many of the stupid bastards I see on this board. Nah, when I have so much money I won't know what to do with it, I'd rather just have some college chick who gets a direct deposit payment every week show up at my door ready to be used like a toy for the night. I've already dipped my toe into mongering and found out paid pussy feels the same as "free" pussy.

>>33880075
Anon knows what's up

I still don't know where to go tonight. Figuring this shit out on your own is annoying.

>>33880075
>torta pounder thinks he has valid advice to give
LMFAO

>>33880075
>4- Go online, use dating sites
Online dating is a pain in the ass, especially for men from what I've heard.

>>33881381
sure sure, whatever you say

>>33882350
LMAO what a beta simp
Yeah sure pal, women are real smart. That's why the overwhelming majority STEM Nobel Laureates, historically significant scientists, and Fortune 100 founders are women
Oh wait

Is anyone good with women here?

Bit of a blog post but the tldr

>met a girl at a conference in my career
>drank with her at an event, teased and laughed with her playing games, made fun of each other, light bullying
>offer to walk her home to her hotel and she says no thanks
>ok, just say to shoot me a msg when she’s home
>she does and i give her my number from LinkedIn…
>see her again next day and she’s kinda cold to me but says hi
>then texts me to grab a drink with her before another event
>flirt decently hard at event later
>talk about our lives and i’m leaving tomorrow and she begs for me to reschedule my flight
>say goodbye next day and again the mood is a bit colder

Was so weird. I’m actually not bad with girls but she kinda fucked my head a bit. I know mixed signals means nothing and she prob just liked the attention, but I did like her. Maybe she has social anxiety. I don’t know man. Zoomer women

>>33882437
absolutely, you understand so much about how the world works.

>>33882949
There was nothing weird and there were no mixed signals. Remember the context, anon…you are both in a different city and clicked. This is not the average ‘we met up at the local event’. Maybe she wanted to fuck that night but you didnt return those vibes, but she still likes you. Maybe she liked you minus that, but you gave the let’s fuck vibes, but she didnt want that, but she still likes you.

Bottom line, anon, it sounds like you both like each other…at least for the necessary we both kinda like each other vibes. Go from there.

Is there a way to get closer to touch women without being creepy or turning them off? Like when you make them laugh and they playfully hit you or slap hand/shoulder. My immediate reaction is to playfully hit them back, hold their hand, or move in closer to bump shoulders. But I dont because I don't want to be a creep, but I really want to.and when i do they playfully slap my hand away.I think im just yearning for more physical affection because I really like it but not in an arousal me getting hard way.

>>33883116
Be honest, do you just want platonic touch, or do you secretly hope for more?

>>33883132
I want both. I really enjoy these interactions but I dont want to scare or repulse them. I do want more but I dont want to ruin it because im not a don juan type i guess I get scared
I dont have much experience to be honest and im turning 30 soon.

>>33883169
Can’t help you with “both”.

>>33883176
Why not? Or am I confusing myself

>>33883180
You said “I think im just yearning for more physical affection”…and i asked you if what you are wanting is truly platonic, or if you are wanting for more. And you said both, which means you are not wanting platonic touch.

>>33883186
Ahh ok. Those moments are usually the furthest I've gotten with women and I do want more i reslly do but it's uncharted territory and im scared

>>33883209
So, like i said, i can’t help you with “both”. You are really asking to have a girl love you. There’s no response for that shit. If you being literal that you just wanted touch and it was truly platonic…that’s easy.

>>33883213
Oh ok. Oh that sucks. Maybe I shouldn't have asked it in a hypothetical way. I have these interactions with someone everytime we meet every now and then and just now. You're right i secretly hope for more everytime

>>33883258
So, this might not be for you then. But for others and lurkers. If there is ZERO romantic inclination, and i mean zero…all you have to do is ask
>i need a hug

>>33883265
Thanks for the help and clarification friend

>>33883285
Just as a bit of a lure for you…. You know you CAN be more sensitive, and that someone might like that. You can ask for a hug wanting more. Just ask for more. Sure, you might be rejected…but fuck it. If you are sensitive, be sensitive. You don’t have to hide it. But just don’t become a fucking simp orbiter.

You guys think you'll be unlikely to form romantic connections as a man if you are two standard IQ deviations above normal? It feels like people just can't connect often when there is that big a gap. I feel like it makes forming friendship more difficult too, especially as you age and the difference in knowledge grows more vast. As a teenager it was cool because I was still an idiot that liked basic shit but I could think on my feet faster and was generally ahead of the social meta of any subculture I was in. As an adult it's kinda alienating. My ex used to have mental breakdowns because I was basically always right and she was always wrong. I was super humble about being right every time I was but like she just grew resentful at me for making her feel dumb. I feel like my only option is to just not say anything ever and hope they like stoic guys. Not to be offensive, but if you believe in IQ than there's only like one woman near my IQ for every ten men near my IQ because of the gender IQ distribution.

>>33883317
Well, you certainly sound like an insufferable cunt.

>>33883297
Thank you. You're right ill let myself ask for more and let the sensitivity out and embrace it. I won't behind my fear next time

>>33883321
And you're on the 4chan mental illness board, in a thread for how to get women. It seems I am likely in good company.

>>33883323
Just be ready for rejection. Not all will like you. But there is someone who will. Also, be confident. You can even be confident in fear and sensitivity.
>yes, i do tear up at disney movies
>yes, i do want to be held
Etc etc. Confidence is being stalwart in who you are.

>be me
>want to date japan eze woman
>they literally do not socialize outside their japan eze circles
>ok then

>>33874509 (OP)
I got a girls number the other day and texted to see if she would go for a date, she said that she "isn't looking to hang out", but "will definately come say hi if we run into each other again :)". She was kind of timid so i'm not surprised she didn't go for the date idea, but is this even worth pursuing at this point? I thought the initial interaction went super well and she was the one who suggested me taking her number, so i'm confused.

>>33883484
What’s there to be confused about? Be an orbiter or fuck off like you should.

>>33883486
yeah you're right, i felt pretty retarded after i typed that. I just was really interested in this girl but that's what other girls are for

>meet girl two weeks ago, didnt really talk to each other but i noticed she was checking me out
>hit her up on IG (i made an account for the first time just to reach her)
>ask her out, she says yes, schedule for last sunday's evening
>hits me with the "sorry anon i'm sick" a few hours before the date
>give her the benefit of the doubt, reschedule for saturday (today) at lunch
>"sorry but i feel sick again" when i ask her where should i pick her up
>"listen are you really sure you want to go out?"
>"yes i'm just having some busy weeks"
fuck off, why is she dishonest even when directly confronted on the matter.
i'm 25 and it was my first time ever asking a girl out, she is beautiful and would really be my type (no tats/piercings, no whorish pics on social media, degree and decent job) but at this point i'm pretty sure i'll not text her anymore, i'll leave it on her to reach me if she really cares but i really doubt it.
fuck this gay earth b-t-w, i hope the sun explodes tonight while i'm sleeping

>>33883804
>(no tats/piercings, no whorish pics on social media, degree and decent job

>>33883888
Nice trips

Are bars, pubs or lounges a decent place to socialize?

>>33883087
Makes no sense. Why didn’t we just fuck that night then? Also she never really broke the touch barrier with me, was odd.

Conference is over so I don’t think there’s any going from here :/

I realize I rarely ever get rejected, the girls I interact with are just usually in a relationship. And I refuse to abide to the societal norm of trying to steal someone else's girlfriend.

>>33884495
lol

>>33874509 (OP)
gf is hot and has big tits, only wears baggy clothes, clearly is insecure about it. Has trauma from a prev relationship about dressing in anything even fitted.

I need solutions boys, Ive fixed everything ab her life but this. This is my greatest challenge so far. Not afraid to lomg game it either. She wont do padded or push up bras, and wears clothes with ruffles and crap that makes her more insecure too...

>>33884495
Same brother.

>>33874509 (OP)
>how to get a woman (in the west)
>be tall
>dont be shorter than average for your country
>be good looking
>dont be average
>otherwise die alone
The far right revolution cannot come fast enough. When these whores get whats coming to them i will smile. Fuck i hate women

I went to a book club after seeing some recommended book clubs in a meet-up thread.
I was one of two guys, the other likely dragged there by his wife. All but two of the women were at least twenty years older than me.
I might try another one at a different library, but don't know if I can finish the book in less than two weeks.

>>33885025
Kill her then yourself, faggot

>>33874509 (OP)
Went out during the 30th to a friend's Halloween party and met this girl who at the start didn't seem to know me that well but as the night progressed we seemed to get really along.
She pulled all the tricks like "I bet you can't lift me over your shoulder", then she asked for seconds and asked her friend to record it.
She then asked for my insta in order to @ me in the post.
Asked me to remove the mask in order to take cute pictures with her.
And many other things that essentially telegraphed her saying "You are my type", initiated a lot of physical contact, told me her type was the strongfat big guys (i am 6'1, 220lbs and was on full on Jason costume) and many other possible flirts that my autistic brain couldn't pick up on.

I asked if she had seen the new Reze film since she was a CSM fan, she said she hadn't gone to see it yet and we agreed on going out this sunday since she worked saturdays all day long.

As i was sending her the available functions on our area she said that she wasn't really in the mood this weekend and after asking why she said she didn't really want to talk about the details but in essence she had just ended her a relationship.

And looking back i did see her talking about feeling extremely tired of her current relationship with her friend and ended the night with saying something around the lines of ending things right now.

So essentially the same night i met her she was in the middle if not right before ending things with him and had a really fun night with me.

Was i being used? Did i cement the idea of her breaking up with him to be with me?? What should i do now??

>>33885815
Who cares, women use men all the time

>>33885829
Ok how do i use her then.
We are both exactly our types and i wouldn't exactly mind waiting for a while as long as it meant we could go to town on each other.

>>33885837
MYbe she wanted to get drunk and pounded that night. Next day she got sober and sad.

>>33885857
Not really since she asked her friend for a ride to her house and we don't really drink in that friend circle.
For fucks sake we talked about marble hornets and autistic shit for most the party.

>>33880082
>something that shows a sense of humor
>something that shows a tender side like dogs or kids
>something that shows a social side
>something that shows things youre interested in like hobbies
>bonus pics of any of the above
Sounds like you have a couple of these

>>33874509 (OP)
Man, each time i see these threads i feel second handembarassment so i never read a word on them.

But i've been wondering for a while now, where do you even get so many photos of girls on the other side of the table? is there like, a website full ot that specific POV?

>>33888088
>where do you even get so many photos of girls on the other side of the table?
just trawling on /b/ and /s/

>>33888118
Still, seems odly specific, i wonder if OP has a folder of just that kind of pictures lol

>>33885815
Yeah it sounds like she was rebounding and using you for momentary gratification. Just put the ball in her court, like tell her to let you know when she wants to go see your CSM thing. She probably wont reply and nor should you expect her to but this way the onus is on her to either explicitly or implicitly close the door.

>>33874509 (OP)
I was really excited about a woman I was dating, she's intelligent, has a great career, pretty, and could make me laugh. Plus she was very excited about me too, every date she'd talk about the next date and we were both having fun.

Then one evening at her place we started getting into a deeper conversation about how we'd raise our potential kids. She said "I want to raise my kids without pronouns for the first few years of their life, but I'm worried about bullying"

I am adamantly opposed to that and I had to let her know that. We had a long but polite discussion about our views on gender and sex and basically I believe in traditional masculinity while she is more about gender exploration and stuff like that.

The strangest part is during our debate where I was disagreeing with her, I noticed she kept glancing at my lips, and during a pause in the debate she asked me to make out lmao? Anyway the night ended fine, I could tell she was conflicted but she still liked me.

Few days later and I got a break up text, she basically said our views are too different. I agree with her I guess, but part of me keeps wondering what if I'd just shut up and given some diplomatic or non-committal answer, and then tried to change her view over time? Maybe with more context and more emotional investment she'd change her perspective?

Any anons ever deal with this level of values/perspective dissonance with their partner? Any thoughts or advice?

>>33888150
Sounds like a good thing. Dont compromise on core beliefs, anon.

>>33874509 (OP)
I think I'm going to try dating apps from scratch again, I've been going out and trying to force myself to cold approach or talk to women at hobbies/activities I take part in and I just can't do it man. I need the perfect situation for it to feel natural otherwise I can't help but feel like a creep. I'm not any kind of Chad but surely I can at least have some success, world can't be that utterly shit that I'll just end up disappointed again.

I need to figure out a way to make this girl think I'm not a narcissist and also not be repulsed by me and also laugh and enjoy my company
I feel like if I'm too self deprecating, then that might be seen as seeking pity or fishing for complements. Like I don't want her to think I'm a loser, but I don't want to seem like a narcissist either