Thread 33899138

Hi /fit/

We're having our first child in Feb and I ain't letting anyone stick him with any kind of poison. Evil fucks.

I spoke with a trusted friend about this today and asked him would he vaccinate his kids. His response was:

> fine dont and let your kid get whatever they are vaccinating against
> You know Polio is on the rise again because of tin foil hat people like yourselves

And he's the most redpilled out of all of them!

Firstly - what are /fit/'s opinion on the child vax situation?
Secondly - as first time parents we would love to build up a support network of like-minded parents. Strange request but does anyone know of a website where we can talk to parents near us?

also holy shit what have they done with the captchas lol. I suppose it will filter out the retards

>>33899138 (OP)
you are weak and brown

>>33899140
> I suppose it will filter out the retards
I suppose not

>>33899138 (OP)
>Polio is on the rise again because of tin foil hat people like yourselves
dumb take, Polio and other diseases are on the rise because of immigration policies supported by most vaxtards.

>what are /fit/'s opinion on the child vax situation?
You should look into statistics etc. relating to each vaccination yourself and make an informed decision based on that.
Personally I've come to the conclusion that with most vaccines there's just not enough evidence of them even doing anything to offset the documented risk of side effects. Good example is tetanus, the decline of which I attribute entirely to improvements in hygiene/sanitation and the disappearance of horses from city streets during the 20th century.
Then there's the issue that many of the big pharma companies are run by Jews, who are religiously commanded to exterminate my race, so I'd rather not let them stick a needle in me.

>we would love to build up a support network of like-minded parents
I'm unfortunately not in the US, but look into homeschooling websites and adjacent social networks, you should find plenty. There's probably facebook and Telegram groups, too.
And do homeschool your kid. No reason to put a child through fucking school in the age of Khan Academy, Anki and LLM's. To motivate him, give him his pocket money based on how many new things he learns.

get your kid their vaccines so they dont die of a preventable disease

dont be retarded

and if theyre a boy dont get them circumcised

>>33899138 (OP)
Don't be a fucking nigger retard and listen to your doctor
If you want to listen to Facebook groups and cure your ass cancer with magic crystals, be my guest. But a child shouldn't die of tuberculosis or whooping cough in the 21st goddamn century because a bot account convinced you that all doctors are satanic pedophiles

>>33899138 (OP)
Read turtles all the way down, watch a few documentaries of parents who's kids died suddenly after injection. Is it worth it?

Are you willing to do a procedure where you have no legal recourse and the counterparty is legally immune from all liability for the harm they cause you?

It's funny, these answers >>33899143 >>33899144 literally have zero substantiation whereas >>33899145 and >>33899142 very much do. Hm if I was on the fence which of these sides might I trust?

>>33899142
Thanks man, I'll look into the homeschool network, that's a good idea. We will be homeschooling anyway but I don't agree with the idea of paying him to learn. The delight of learning is the reward in itself.

>>33899145
>turtles all the way down
What has this book got to do with it? Seems to be about OCD

>>76793652
Nope I am a regular dude

>>33899146
your kid is gonna end up being bullied and retarded
just get him vaccinated you dope, even though I know this is a bait post because you can't be that stupid

>>76793652
worse, virgin thread

>>33899148
bullied and retarded? so vaccines make you smart and strong now do they? fuck is wrong with you

>>33899138 (OP)
Yes you should vaccinate your kids you fucking moron. What's happened in the last 10 years that has made dudebro Roganite podcast listeners into anti vaccine idiots?

>>33899142
>I am a massive faggot and have no idea how to engage with research please rape my stupid faggot face

Fixed that for you

>>33899146
>Hmmm should I trust 1000's of scientists who have independently come to the same conclusion that vaccines are safe and effective or some anonymous loser on the health and fitness imageboard!!

I genuinely hope you have to watch your children die from some preventable disease because you were weak willed enough to think medical science is onions or something. It's the only way you'll learn

>>33899153
lol ok redditard

>>33899150
Nah, I'm pretty sure he's talking about the homeschooling

>>33899155
Oh sorry lol that does make sense. Ah one can find ways to mitigate that.

>>33899154
>Erm it's reddit to believe in medical advancements!
>Children die of preventable disease!

Truly epik and those libs will be SEETHING when you're burying your child after forcing them to suffer through a preventable disease. All because you think "le science!" is onions

>>33899138 (OP)
I don't care if your kid dies from some weird disease that was solved 100 years ago, but it's weird that you don't.

>>33899138 (OP)
>Vaccinating my child
RIP

I swear I've seen this exact thread on /fit/ before.

>>33899160
nope I typed it out with my own hands

>>33899138 (OP)
Do your research. Here is your start
https://thehighwire.com/ark-videos/an-inconvenient-study-feature-film/
https://www.aninconvenientstudy.com/
https://rumble.com/v712xn8-an-inconvenient-study-documentary.html?e9s=src_v1_s%2Csrc_v1_s_o&sci=adfff736-4f3c-4c18-b38e-50bd2eddcb4e
https://rumble.com/v7151hq-an-inconvenient-study-the-highwire-documentary-full.html?e9s=src_v1_s%2Csrc_v1_s_o&sci=adfff736-4f3c-4c18-b38e-50bd2eddcb4e

https://rumble.com/v708mho-an-inconvenient-study-documentary.html?e9s=src_v1_s%2Csrc_v1_s_o&sci=adfff736-4f3c-4c18-b38e-50bd2eddcb4e

>>33899156
Look man, unless you live way out, where there aren't other options, homeschooling is pretty bad for your kid
1) He or she will end up way undersocialized, compared to their peers, simply by lack of exposure
2) Lack of shared experiences will make further socialization more difficult - in simple terms, they'll have harder time relating to their peers
3) Like it or not, you are not a teacher. And though depending on where you live the standards for teaching might be pretty low, past the elementary school level they usually include a degree of competence in the given subject that you in all likelihood do not posses. Meaning that the standard of teaching you'll be able to provide past the elementary level will be limited to memorizing the textbook, the outcome of which is unlikely to be great

There is a stereotype of homeschooled kids all being asocial weirdos who struggle with further education. And while stereotypes are not universal, there are also very good reasons why they exist

>>33899162
>research
>pop-sci "documentary"
If you can't into reading primary sources, you should defer to people who can

>>33899163
I can tell this is coming from a genuinely good place but you are hopelessly misguided in many ways. Maybe I'm just some kind of super genius, but I would have no problem teaching my child material up to a roughly 18 year old level. We'll do it much quicker than that too.

Regarding socialisation - it's something that needs to be worked at extra hard.

>>33899165
Humanities are easier, and even things like geography
But unless you have a background in subjects like chemistry, biology, physics and mathematics, I don't think you'll be able to competently teach them, because textbooks rarely mention the "why" behind the "what", despite it being probably the most essential part. And if your kid asks follow-up questions, you're unlikely to be able to answer them
Yes, books, videos and such can help mitigate that, but I don't think any of that can replace a conversation with an actual person with deep insight into the subject
My advice would be to just find the best school within reasonable distance and put them there, even if it costs a kidney. Moot as that advice may be, since the subject of this thread suggests to me that you're not exactly a believer in the modern education system

>>33899166
> And if your kid asks follow-up questions, you're unlikely to be able to answer them

What do you think the role of a teacher is? Some omniscient answer-regurgitating being?

Yes sending them to a private school is a good option, but we don't live in England and even so a lot of the private schools are fairly cucked nowadays.

anti-vaxers are the #1 reason why i am against universal healthcare. i am not paying for your kid to go to the hospital for some easily preventable disease. Id rather see that money go to some illegal than some idiot.

>>33899138 (OP)
don't take medical advice from anyone who has taken a covid vaccine
https://www.brighteon.com/f8e70675-672c-48c3-bdaa-9838deb9ad97

>>33899164
>primary sources
Most of the people that you self-important assholes deride as "antivaxxers" are steeped in primary sources. We just don't arrive at the same conclusions as corrupt talking heads and "doctors" who are bought and paid for by pharmaceutical companies.

During COVID, it turned out people with post graduate degrees were among the most hesitant to receive the brand new injection.

The documentary that I liked to is literally based on decades of credible scientific research.

Get over yourself.
If you don't have an open enough mind to entertain the possibility the respectable institutions may not have our best interests at heart when they do things in the name of public health, then that's your problem.
Believing everything that the pharmaceutical companies, the government, and corporate-funded media tell you does not make you sophisticated or morally righteous. It makes you gullible.
Most people who refuse to question the credibility of the medical establishment have this narcissistic attachment to the idea of being "right" simply because you side with established prestigious institutional power instead of taking pride in having an independent mind and real intellectual curiosity.
https://pjmedia.com/rick-moran/2021/07/17/mit-study-vaccine-hesitancy-is-highly-informed-scientifically-literate-and-sophisticated-n1462591

>>33899170
Well said. Really, my fellow anon bros, we are just trying to help. I would NEVER discourage people in real life to get the vaccine. I love being protected by the "herd" who cushion us from these bad diseases by taking the experimental medicines.

>>33899168
You are the biggest fucking retard in the world

>>33899167
>What do you think the role of a teacher is? Some omniscient answer-regurgitating being?
Where I live, teachers are required to have a degree in whatever subject they're teaching, in addition to pedagogy. So yes, I'd expect them to be able to answer and explain competently.
Granted, those who don't know, teach, and so I'm aware that I'm not exactly getting top-of-their-field professionals, but still there is a level of competency and knowledge that the average Joe simply does not have

>>33899173
Give me an example of a concept a fairly bright 16 year old would be able to grasp that I couldn't teach.

The internet was a mistake.

>>33899174
The benefits of vaccines

>>33899153
>1000's of scientists who have independently come to the same conclusion
three questions about that:
1. do you think all of these people here also say the same thing because they independently arrived at the same conclusion?
https://youtube.com/watch?v=ZggCipbiHwE

2. what about all the scientists who are not in favor of unthinkingly and unquestioningly taking all vaccines pushed on you, such as Dr. Jean-Francois Gariépy or Dr. Bret Weinstein? Does your appeal to authority only include those scientists who are presented to you as authority figures by your TV?

3. Do you possess enough self-awareness to recognize the irony of claiming to argue "for science" by blindly appealing to the authority of scientists as if they were a caste of high priests whose word must not be questioned, while mocking those who suggest engaging with empiric data to make sensible and well-informed decisions?

>>33899166
>unless you have a background in subjects like chemistry, biology, physics and mathematics, I don't think you'll be able to competently teach them, because textbooks rarely mention the "why" behind the "what", despite it being probably the most essential part
this has been solved by Khan Academy and LLM's.
My favorite pastime lately is having chatgpt make up scifi/fantasy stories which contain lessons on physics, math and programming. All of it in Japanese, so I learn that language as well while I'm at it.

LLM's suck at humanities because they'll just throw propaganda at you, but they totally mog STEM teachers.

>>33899163
>in simple terms, they'll have harder time relating to their peers
Good then won't they won't become a faggot tranny. Also ever heard of club sports and neighborhood friends you fucking dipshit?

>>33899178
>My favorite pastime lately is having chatgpt make up scifi/fantasy stories which contain lessons on physics, math and programming. All of it in Japanese, so I learn that language as well while I'm at it.
That's cool as fuck. What are your prompts like?

>>33899163
>He or she will end up way undersocialized, compared to their peers, simply by lack of exposure
how does being told to sit still and not talk to your neighbor for 5 hours a day constitute socialization?
Sending a child to karate class and having them play in an orchestra are much better ways to get them socialized.

>>33899181
Because he never actually thought through any of his arguments, just parroted what normie retards say.

Of course if you're a lazy parent homeschooling will be a detriment, but if you do it right and actually care then your kid will be so much better off.

bot thread or fed thread, you call it

>>33899138 (OP)
I feel like polio was pretty much like covid. Hyped up to give people jabs. Could be wrong, but whatever, its what I think

>>33899180
picrelated is a chat I started a few days ago, the previous pic was a memento generated after I passed the initial 8 programming trials chat jippity made up, after which we did some detailed world building and turned that into an SQL lesson. The thing evolves bit by bit as I ask questions, tell it what I want to learn about and make requests to develop richer plotlines etc.

Also, check out https://adventofcode.com/2025/events which was one of my inspiration for starting this (along with the book Diamond Age and the Holodeck from StarTrek)

>>33899138 (OP)
i have two kids. the first one received 2 vaccines, the second zero. the first one has inflamed tonsils (scheduled to be removed now due to breathing problems) i believe were caused by the vaccines. the second never breaths through the mouth, even when sick. it's such a stark contrast i can't help but think it's the vax

https://bradcohn.substack.com/p/navigating-the-vaccine-question

succinct summary of issues and concerns with regard to vaccines (allergies, autism, sudden death, efficacy, liability shield, etc). brad cohn is literally a genius mathematician and hobby biochemist

>>33899185
Great stuff anon, I've always been kinda averse to using AI but this seems really helpful. I'm trying to learn Thai myself, any idea for prompts I could use?

>>33899188
>I'm trying to learn Thai myself, any idea for prompts I could use?
Depends on how much Thai you already know.
All LLM's I've used responded in the language in which the prompts were written. You can also ask it to correct you on all your prompts if your sentences are grammatically wrong or sound unnatural.

Not sure how successful this will be if you don't know enough Thai to write prompts yet though. Maybe ask it to limit itself to very simple grammatical structures and avoid uncommon vocab?
If it responds in English even after telling it "please respond in Thai", write your prompts in English and google-translate them.

>>33899142
>Polio and other diseases are on the rise because of immigration policies supported by most vaxtards.
then maybe its a good idea to get vaccinated so dont get a deadly disease from dirty foreigner.

This is an aislop post.

No infant needs a HepB vaccine.

>>33899176
lol rekt

>>33899138 (OP)
Good goy, don't take the vaxx, we don't want strong and healthy white people, the replacement will be easy like this.

>>33899138 (OP)


When the Covid vaccine was a thing, I literally waited until my city basically forced you to show your vax card in every business before I got the jab. I did this because I grew up watching my dad in pharmaceuticals and knew that patient data couldnt have been more than 6 months long, and that there was no long term patient data for potential effects.

On the other hand however I believe good ol Jonas invented the cure for Polio in the 30's, so theres about 100 years of studies there, I believe Tuberculosis is a similar timeline, and I no longer see those things so it must have worked.

In summation OP, a rushed vaccine and one that has been working for generations are very different things. When I go to a foreign country I get the shot because the alternative is far worse.

Ultimately though I dont care, you sound contrarian and like an idiot and have given zero scientific as to why you wont vaccinate your child, which tells me youre either willing to gamble with your kids life to prove a point on your anti vaccine message boards, or youre willfully retarded and will either have a kid for the first time in 90 years with polio braces or one that is homeschooled and therefore spouting just as retarded shit as you.

So in summation I think we'd all be better off if youre kid died or was terminated.

>>33899178
I've used AI a lot and it makes a lot of mistakes in mathematics, if you don't know the subject it's teaching you might not catch something that's being taught incorrectly.

>>33899138 (OP)
If you don't vaccinate your kids, at least keep them away from all the normal people. They'll probably grow up to resent you and get vaxxed themselves though lol

>>33899138 (OP)
inject your 'friend' with petrol into his heart like the Nazis did lmao

>>33899153
>safe and effective
Fucking kek these faggots can't resist.

The worst part about vaccines for kids is the aluminum and other metals used as the adjuvant. Aluminum is a neurotoxin. It kills brain cells. Anyone can look up the actual "Expert Opinions" on upper limits for aluminum exposure for adults, then do the math, and realize that vaccines are injecting between 20 to 100 times the exposure limit directly into the kid's bloodstream. This is undeniable fact.
After injection the body tries to remove the heavy metals. Acetaminophen (tylenol) blocks the sulfation pathway that detoxifies the blood, so that's why vaccines + tylenol is almost guaranteed autism. In any case, fucking with the kid's immune system will cause allergies and other auto-immune problems.
The diseases the vaccines prevent are highly survivable.
>doctors
There is financial incentive for doctors to vaccinate the majority of their patients. They get direct reimbursement from pharmaceutical companies AND qualify for insurance programs, and in a lot of states their special accreditations depend on vaccinating a percentage of their patients.

OP, since you are having a kid, take this advice:
1. Delayed placenta clamping (MOST IMPORTANT)
Don't let them insta-clamp the placenta! Insist on being the one who cuts the cord. Don't do it until it stops pulsing and turns white. Placenta has ~30% of your baby's blood. Also has shit ton of stem cells needed to repair birth trauma. It's worth at least $50k to a hospital and they want it bad! They were literally seething when I refused to insta-cut and let my child get all their blood.

2. Vitamin K shot
They will want to insta jab the baby with vitK to prevent internal hemorrhage. There are several vitK products and some of them have aluminum (for no apparent reason... since it's not a vaccine). If you're going to let them K jab, make sure it's the non-alluminum one.

3. Hepatitis B vaccine
Absolutely no reason to insta vax your kid for a disease literally only contracted via sex or sharing drug needles. Your wife will be tested for Hep B soon and you already know if she has it. Even EXPERTS agree that this one causes autism, so save this to share with your retard friend
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/21058170/

There is more, but at this point your wife's nutrition and health will do a lot more for your baby than hospitals and vaccines.

>>33899138 (OP)
Let me give you a non-American opinion:
in my socialist country, we infants have 10 COMPULSORY vaccinations.
Some stuff makes obvious sense to me - diphtheria, polio, hep B, haemophilus, tetanus... you don't want a child to catch that, the risk is just too high, those diseases can easily fuck your child up permanently, or just kill them off with no chance for treatment.
Some other ones, when I was a child we just tanked them: measles, mumps, varicella, rubella... we used to try and get them, because getting them when you're debilitated or too old can cause serious issues. We were developing an immunity by exposure, newborns now get it by vaccine, I guess it's pretty much the same (but exposure carries more risks, and if you don't get exposed early it's an other problem to deal with too).
If you have that network of non-vaccinating parents, then you might be covered for the latter diseases as far as exposure goes, one kid gets varicella, all the kids get exposed, like we did back in the day... you could ask a doctor, and even do that under medical control, it's just going to be more involved than a vaccine, but what about that first list? Those are diseases that I'd never want my child to get.

>>33899202
My mom got me vaccinated against mumps, but I still got mumps, when I was 8.

>>33899202
>hep B
How does that make obvious sense for an infant?

>>33899203
It happened with exposure too, a few unlucky fucks didn't respond well enough and could get stuff like varicella twice. It was already uncomfortable getting it once, twice was just nature trolling you. I never heard of anybody getting them more than twice, so at least THAT didn't happen, or was rare enough to be basically unheard of.

>>33899204
Because children are idiots.
They'll get hurt, blood will flow, they'll do stupid things like exchanging toothbrushes at sleepovers, they'll kiss... the risk of exposure is small but is there, and getting hep b as a child can leave long lasting liver damage.
I see it as too big of a risk, that's why it makes sense to me.

>>33899177
Doctors and scientists aren't all owned by a parent company.
The UK has the biggest biomedical research lab in Europe: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francis_Crick_Institute. A huge percentage of its funding comes from donations, wills, fundraising events, charity shops. It's crowd-funded research.
"The scripted news" comparison is intellectually dishonest. That's one corporation pushing corporate-mandated scripts to local stations. That is literally the opposite of scientific consensus, which emerges from thousands of independent researchers spanning many countries, institutions, and funding sources, and political systems too.
> Gariépy and Weinstein
These are both grifters. Their whole thing is positioning themselves against mainstream science because it's lucrative in the current media landscape. For every weinstein or Gariépy there's hundreds of equally or better-credentialed researchers who disagree. You can find a PhD who disagrees with climate change or believes the earth is flat but they're still wrong. The question isn't "can I find any credentialed person who agrees with me?" but "what does the preponderance of evidence show?"
> Do you possess enough self-awareness to recognize the irony of claiming to argue "for science" by blindly appealing to the authority of scientists
Citing scientific consensus isn't appealing to authority like citing a religious text. It's recognising that:
You haven't personally sequenced viral genomes
You haven't personally run epidemiological studies across populations
You haven't personally conducted immunological assays
You haven't personally analyzed pharmacokinetic data
The irony is you're claiming to appeal with empiric data, whilst getting your scientific opinions from youtube videos and podcasts. Scientists around the world aren't all part of some conspiracy. I have PhD friends, some are just nerd physicists and others are unbelievably passionate about helping people and they really don't earn much from it.

>>33899170
The actual MIT research was about vaccine messaging strategies and found that emphasising high acceptance rates increases uptake. Anti-vaxx sites stripped context from a working paper about data visualisation to create the headline "vaccine-hesitant people are sophisticated." The researchers never concluded that.
>>33899162
That film is about an unpublished study with methodological flaws so obvious that peer reviewers wouldn't touch it. The vaccinated kids in that study saw doctors 3.5x more often. More doctor visits = more diagnoses.
You're promoting a film by a guy who produced "Vaxxed" with Andrew Wakefield (fraud who lost his medical license for falsifying autism research), featuring Mike Cernovich and Jenny McCarthy, while accusing others of being credulous. Don't you see the irony?
The study wasn't "hidden", it failed to meet publication standards because the vaccinated group had significantly more children with low birth weight, prematurity, birth trauma, and respiratory distress at birth, making fair comparison impossible. Bigtree needs a conspiracy, so "didn't pass peer review due to fatal methodological flaws" becomes "they're hiding the truth!"
The film uses a really effective psychological technique: it makes you feel like you're part of an informed minority who sees what others miss. The film gives you the satisfaction of feeling like you did the research; you watched the documentary, you saw the data, you're engaging with "primary sources." And because medical research is genuinely complex and institutions have made mistakes, the skepticism feels earned and sophisticated.

I like getting flu shots because I get to show off my perfectly sculpted arm to the nurse

Is there a study on illnesses between children who had their umbilical cord cut early versus those whose was cut after it was clear?
would be funny to see,it would probably spook a lot of people and major establishments would collapse if correlation was found and the immediate cut was banned

>>33899138 (OP)
There is no legitimate argument - absolutely none - against vaccination

>>33899138 (OP)
If you're born in any first world country it's mandatory to give them to your kids. Unless you can get a medical exemption in the US which is unlikely.

>>33899408
There's a eugenics one.

>>33899417
*religious exemption

>>33899138 (OP)
>don't let them clamp the umbilical cord
>don't let them take the child away from the mother
>no epidural unless in too much pain
>do breastfeed
>do not give birth in hospital, do it at a birthing center where you have more control and options
As for the vax, you have a choice:
>Vaxx and end up with a child that doesn't get measels, but does have constant health issues and probably will get alzheimers or cancer in their lifetime
>Do not vaxx and naturally build up child's immunity through breastfeeding, very low chance of getting measels which can easily be cured with modern medicine, grows up with very low chance of autism/cancer/alzheimers and a healthy brain and body
Oh and most vax specialists do not vaccinate their children, just like most lasik drs still wear glasses. The risk isn't worth it.

>>33899766
>Oh and most vax specialists do not vaccinate their children
source: a blurry jpeg I saw one time

>>33899138 (OP)
I remember when the only anti-vax and homeschooling people were a couple of hollywood liberals and mostly hippie vegan single moms who do yoga and drink their own piss and have their menstruation in reusable weird pussy cups because the environment

>>33899408
Mrna aren't vaccines. They're experimental gene therapy with lots of bad side effects.

>>33899142
>big pharma companies are run by Jews,
Simply factually untrue

>>33899142
>religiously commanded to exterminate my race
Proof?

>>33899142
Your theory would be nice if not for the fact millions of jews were forced to get the vax too. And in Israel no less.