It is pointless to try to overcome depression, prove me wrong /b/...

The world is inherently shit, the impermanence of all things which drives the cycle of desire, acquisition, attachment, loss, and grief is the foundation of all suffering and because of this there is nothing worth fighting for, investing in, or being otherwise motivated for.

At the end of the day, what is the point of overcoming depression, just so that you can continue living in an existence that is fundamentally awful, where the lion eats the gazelle, the gazelle eats the grass, and the grass eats both, where everything that we have ever known or loved will become corrupted and/or turn to dust as the flesh slowly rots off of our arthritic bones? So, we should want to stop being depressed, so that we can aquire more relationships/things, so that we can be more sad when we lose them or more disappointed when they change or don't live up to our expectations?

Defeat depression? Have we stopped to ask why? Maybe our depression is justified. Maybe it's just trying to warn us about getting too attached to an existence that is constantly changing.

When you stop seeing the people who have "defeated depression" as doing anything valuable, when you stop seeing this world, and the people/things in it, as fundamentally good just because you need them to keep your body from drugging itself with cortisol and adrenaline which comes with most forms of death and discomfort, and stop seeing your contribution to it as anything other than the slavery of the blind, by the blind, using shackles built of non-existent moral virtue (moral virtue mostly based on aesthetics when you consider the fact that it is immoral to squash a butterfly, but not a moth), and start seeing the coping mechanisms (which is what most mental health professionals prescribe for this problem) for what they are, i.e. distractions from the misery of existence, maybe you can just kind of surrender to the depression and maybe that's not so bad.

>>935711643 (OP)
Poopy dookie caca nigger shit

>>935711749

Assertions are not arguments

>>935711643 (OP)
Many of us are doing pretty well. We have a world we want to live in and we create that world.
In a way then, depression is a choice. And you can stay depressed for as long as you want.

>>935711871

Are you doing well though or are you coping with the misery of existence?

If you are doing well in a world where your children, and your children's children, as well as the lines of anyone who has ever showed you kindness, are going to necessarily suffer and die, often at their own hand; you are either ignorant, or evil...

>>935711871

I mean, sure, there is some sociopath somewhere, sitting at the top of all of this, probably having a great time... That doesn't mean that the rest of us are or that our continued misery and existence is justified just to please him...

>>935711871
Can I stay fucked in the ass by giant cocked nigger sex machines?

>>935711643 (OP)
>It is pointless to try to overcome depression, prove me wrong /b/...
It's actually pretty easy to dispel:

a) Eat a whole lot more red meat. You would not believe how much red meat a human *actually* needs to eat per day and how much heavy lifting the comparatively piddly amount of red meat you've already been eating has been carrying you all this time.

b) Probably throw in some seafood too, like sardines and salmon.

c) Avoid the fuck out of seed oils. Canola oil is deodorized machine lubricant and humans did not evolve to consume it. Any epidemiologist who says otherwise is a charlatan and a waste of oxygen.

d) Plants are filled with weird and wondrous phytotoxins. Sometimes they can be utilized in medicines. Sometimes they're deadly fucking poisonous. Other times they fuck you in the ass in ways you wouldn't expect like limes and their furocoumarins and how that relates to margarita burns.

e) Speaking of margarita burns, you need a whole lot more direct sunlight exposure on your bare naked skin without sunscreen. Depression is correlated with lower vitamin D levels. Higher vitamin D levels make you more resilient to cancer, even skin cancer. Furocoumarins lead to phytophotodermatitis and are also correlated with higher incidences of skin cancer, even melanoma. Melanoma is the deadly one. Limes aren't the only food with furocoumarins in them.
As a rule plants poison their flesh to deter predators. You should always assume a plant is *bare minimum* low grade toxic even if it's "generally considered safe to eat."

That doesn't mean you can't ever eat plants, but they shouldn't be just blithely eaten. Moreover we put synthetic pesticides in them which is just one more toxin on top of the other phytotoxins your kidneys and liver are going to be tasked and taxed to cleanse from your system. If you're eating plants, have a good idea of what it is you're eating and why you're eating it.

Follow these guidelines and depression should go in about 3 months.

>>935712026
oh i'm afraid it's worse than that, your existence isn't based on pleasing him, what would be closer to the truth is that your existence is simply meaningless and he doesn't care if you exist in the first place, you *wish* you would exist to please him, and perhaps, if you did that, he might care about you after all....

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>>935712556
holy fucking shit, what the FUCK are you even talking about

>>935712556
Ah, I forgot one of the most important things:

f) Avoid the fucking sugar like the god damned fucking plague. Doesn't matter if it's a can of coke. Doesn't matter if it's a glass of apple juice. Not only is it all fructose even if... odds are if you didn't juice the apple yourself? It's all high-fructose corn syrup, even in the "apple" juice.
It sucks. Sugar is more addicting than people realize. A lot of people choose to ween themselves off sugar by slowly dropping it over a period of no less than 5 weeks.

But you gotta get away from the sugar. Not saying you can't have a slice of birthday cake on your birthday, but everyone is constantly pouring sugar down their necks and it ain't good. I just ain't good.

>>935712674
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>>935712684

>>935712684
sugar is good for you

>>935712556
Red meat gives you colon cancer

>>935711643 (OP)
I won't prove you wrong, but the moment you realize that depression also doesn't matter, you win. With the pointlessness of it all, you can now go do whatever you wish. The point is that there is no point. Reject depression, achieve zen, look back at the time before you realized nihilism. Life isn't about acquiring things, but sometimes you need to acquire things to get what you want out of life and other times getting rid of those things gets you want you want. Loss and grief only occurs because you lost something you once had that you enjoyed. Depression is just not getting back up, but when you realize that the thing you lost didn't matter, you can get up and move on to whatever comes next.

>>935712762
Eat fish

>>935712682
>holy fucking shit, what the FUCK are you even talking about
I thought it was pretty self-explanatory, but perhaps not. So depression can come from different sources. If your source of depression is the fact that your pet cat died or your best friend committed suicide then that is a whole other kettle of fish.
If instead we're talking about chronic depression? That general feeling of malaise that you'd tempt a psychiatrist to put you on an SSRI for? Yeah that's a bad idea. Turns out there's a cure.

I'm speaking from experience.
>>935712556
>>935712684

Your food and your environment is fucking you in the ass, and you'd never believe it unless you take the plunge, follow my advice for about 3 months, and see for yourself. Granted, it took 3 months for me, and I wasn't even expecting the depression to lift. Every time I cheat and start eating pizza, cakes, and cookies... I start feeling ill again and after a few days of that hyper palatable monstrosity courtesy of the evil flavor technologists?
... I feel the feeling of the depression start coming back, and it goes away a couple days after I go back on the straight and narrow.

>>935712762
No it's not. Not even remotely.

>>935712773
No it doesn't. Correlation doesn't equal causation and even then if you look at the methodology it was a dogshit finding even when it was first published.
Nutritional epidemiology is basically the propaganda arm for industry. You can find any paper defending and attacking any food choice. The reason for all the confusion is because Nuremberg put an end to meaningful testing on humans. Ethics aren't going to sign off on a hypothesis if the base assumption is "red meat gives cancer" because it's not ethical to see if a food would give someone cancer. Ethics is not going to sign off on buying a black van and abducting people off the street for randomization. Ethics isn't going to sign off on locking our "volunteers" here in secure labs for control.

>>935712556

Your kind of missing the point... Existence is inherently awful regardless of what we eat...

You're giving me solutions, I'm questioning the need for solutions entirely...

>>935712665

Very true...

>>935711871
I'm not powerful enough to create the world I want. I want a world without violence, without argument, without betrayal. The problem with that is that for other goals of other people to be realized because of how those views clash, those 3 things that I don't want will always happen. I can do my part to be a good person, but that doesn't mean others will.

Depression is partly a choice, I ignored some of my depression with things I needed to get done after my dad died. But that was a placeholder, when I was done, I barely got out of bed to eat for a while. I was angry for a while. I grew from it though. I think I handle myself better now, but sometimes mood isn't a choice. You can try to train yourself so things don't affect you negatively, but this has a downside that things also don't affect you positively. It's not even depression anymore, it's just existence. I can now get out of bed and do my daily things, and sometimes I get joy out of things again, but it's not like it was in my youth. Ignorance is bliss, and I have seen too much. It's good because I prepare for the worst, but when I didn't even think to, when I was unaware, I miss that person I was, but I'm also grateful for knowing what I know so I don't get screwed over.

>>935712775

Sure, but you're talking about creating meaning, which requires effort... I'm questioning the value, and to a degree, the morality of the effort...

Is it moral to try to cope in a world where everyone secretly wants to escape and we all have to pretend that we don't if we don't want to be hauled off by the modern day church that is the mental health industry...

>>935712940
I'm really not, though I know it might seem like it.

You see, every single thing a human does is because they felt something. They continue to do things because they either want a whole lot more of one feeling or they do other things because they want a whole lot less of another feeling.

If a human feels that they're trapped in a feeling? Then they start adopting the ideation and mindset that the world is that feeling. They start to rationalize and codify why their view of the world must be true because they feel that feeling, and god dammit, it's the feeling they feel.

Why don't you go see just how strong your rationalizations hold when you feel completely differently?

>>935713065
Niggers are racist against white people and are holding them down. Niggers commit 95% of crime.

>>935713122
I'm not taking the bait.
The bottom line is that the door is open for anybody here who wants to see if they too can lift their depression.

>>935713065

Feelings come from chemicals in the brain, i.e. drugs...

What you're telling me is that Nepalese child slaves, dying in ravines, because it is cheaper to let them die than it is to save them is fine because cocaine exists in the form of red meat and Vitamin D...

I'm not asking for solutions, I'm asking for justification... Solutions come AFTER the justification... You don't do something before you ask why... WHY should I get addicted to all of these feel good drugs? Are the drugs going to free the Nepalese slave children?

>>935713163
Can't lift the default state

>>935713177
Yeah, I don't believe you. I don't think you want justifications, I think what you're asking for is a quarrelsome argument. That's a waste of time. Debates are rarely persuasive and are usually just a pseudo-intellectual wank-fests about bruising and stroking egos.

The premise you present even if is fatally flawed. If it is Nepalese child slaves you're so worried about right now, why are you sitting here trying to pick a fight with me instead of taking the next flight out to try and help with that problem? See, you're being disingenuous. Worse, you're using child slaves as a verbal weapon, and even worse? It's ultimately just a whataboutist red herring.

>>935713249
Lifted my depression, serendipitously stumbled on it too.

>>935713489
You never had depression and did not lift it

>>935713489

Idk, I think you just can't form a logical argument that justifies your addition to life without looking like a sociopath... Which is what I am getting at... I'm not saying that you are a sociopath but I am saying that you have been deceived by a sociopathic world and a sociopathic God...

Let's say I go and free every child slave, then what? Have I solved the fundamental problem of suffering and existence? Have I found something permanent in a world of change? Have I broken the cycle of desire, acquisition, attachment, loss, and grief for all of mankind?

Maybe what I am doing right here, i.e. making people aware of the brainwashing that keeps this whole train running, is the only thing that I can do and maybe if enough people get it, eventually, there won't be any nepalese children to enslave anymore...

>>935713570
Well this is pointless. I can't be gaslit.

>>935713644
>Let's say I go and free every child slave, then what?
You're the one who brought it up. When I brought up furocoumarins I didn't just throw that up as a meaningless punching bag, I said what they did and how to address the issue.

So there is no "then what?" That's dishonest.

This is pointless too.
I'm going to go to bed.

>>935711643 (OP)
TLDR but I got the gist
Might be a late reply but I think you’re just experiencing dopamine withdrawals, especially since 20 years ago, video games because essentially equivalent to drugs.
You’re just a baby. Wahhh wahhhh!

>>935713852
*became

>>935713811

>You're the one who brought it up.

To make it real and prove a point... I could say "there is so much suffering in the world" but most of yall are incapable of comprehending the degree of suffering that we are talking about until we put it into concrete terms, but then yall get mad, but I guess being mad is better than continuing to think you have a point...

So let's say we get every human being addicted to limes, red meat, and dairy... Then one of us is brave enough to look at the cows that we are slaughtering? Then what?

>So there is no "then what?" That's dishonest.

It's not dishonest when my entire point is that there is no point. Stop looking for loopholes and start looking for flaws...

>>935713852

Yes, vidya games is the thing that is killing nepalese child slaves in ravines... Lol

>>935713852

If your argument is that vidya games cause people to give a shit about things outside of their own immediate and personal bubble, hell; everyone should be playing vidya games... Lol

>>935713852

You wanna know what it REALLY is? It's the people who think that they can solve the problem of suffering by turning everyone into narcissists and sociopaths that only care about sucking the dick of rich people, hoping for a dribble of cum...

>>935711643 (OP)
What do you recommend

>>935715650

Ideally?

We would create AI that would extinguish all life in the multiverse and work to bring about the cold death of all universes in the multiverse...

Barring that, maybe we could find ways that allows for people to kill ourselves and opt out of existence without getting drugged with adrenaline and cortisol? Maybe stop shaming people for wanting to do it, locking them away, and pretending like there is something wrong with them when we can't logically defeat their arguments? Maybe stop moralizing bringing non-consenting life into the world as some kind for virtue?

Idk, but I do know that we aren't going to solve any problem that we aren't willing to look at...

>>935712684
frankly this, stopped eating candy and felt way better after a mere month, literally nothing else changed. depression is chemicals in your brain, fuck them.

>>935715742
>>935715650
samefag

>>935715897

You're both missing the point... I'm not saying that there aren't ways to cure depression... I'm saying that it's pointless, and arguably even immoral, to do so...

Ok, let's say that you find a way to get rid of all the bad drugs and only take good drugs... You alter your brain chemistry to become the perfect narcissist/sociopath who doesn't give a shit about anything happening outside of their own person bubble... Then what? Do children magically stop dying of AIDs? How did cultivating chemical sociopathy in your individual life stop the suffering of the world?