If the Soviet Union had never collapsed in 1991, what would the world be like today?

>>935761767 (OP)
Tech race wouldn't have slowed down to the pace we have today. And instead of big Pharma and media conglomerates ruling the west we'd have the big weapons manufacturers

>>935761886
Big pharma? Maybe in the 2000s but today?

>>935762387
We just got rid of covid

>>935761767 (OP)
first explain how they would avoid collapsing. like what they agree to end the cold war? either way it wouldn't have mattered, they invested way too little too late into the computer. too much corruption not enough actual r&d. idek how this scenario would happen.

but wait like 30 years adn you'll see the US fall behind to china. they're falling back on their old industry/technology instead of investing in new tech. basically the US is russia back when the US was beating russia only now its china. All the best drones, solar panels, electric vehicles, and they're on their way to also dominate the humanoid robot industry. they're also expanding their trade as the US is bottle necking their trade plus mountains of debt. will be interesting to see, just a little apprehensive about what a china leading world will look like

>>935761767 (OP)
The Soviet empire was a vampire economy. It survived initially by looting the old Russian elites, When that ran out, it desperately resorted to selling wheat an natural resources, resulting in widespread famine and other shortages.
WW2 resulted in massive aid from the west to fuel the soviet military and feed the population, and then post war, they occupied eastern Europe and looted it for wealth and resources. This gave them enough to survive another 40+ years, until the weight of their incompetence and inefficiency caused a complete collapse of the economy.
The Soviet empire had no chance, and would have collapsed probably by the 1950s if not for ww2 and their massive looting of Europe.

>>935762692
Two flags

>>935761767 (OP)
>what would the world be like today?
unironically better for everyone
both countries had a major competitor that they had to prove they were better of
it's not a coincidence that when the ussr stagnated and started spinning out of control in the 1980s, western countries started cracking down on unions, minorities and welfare

>>935762786
literally just a bunch of niggers

>>935762692
>>935762786
Low iq's truly can't into hypothetics, fascinating

>>935762692
The US already fell behind China, you must be very uninformed to not know this, just look at patents, China has over 5x the amount that the US has, people often overestimate the US, because of its impact on cinema/music, but when it comes to output of pretty much any other thing, it's pretty far behind. Even Russia graduates over twice the number of engineers the US does. The mirage caused by the overvalued dollar, in nominal terms, will be unmasked as countries are already shifting away from it, replace it for gold or any other currency, to store value, once that happens (2030 ?) its game over. Bye cheap imports, hello overpriced everything, purchasing power much better reflects what an economy can afford, China's GDP is 40 T vs 30 T for the US, and is growing faster https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(PPP) >>935761767 (OP)
Depends on what USSR you're talking about, a "hard-line" one ? or the sovereign union project ?, a hard-line one would be hard to achieve, but easy to maintain, the federative project the opposite, the first, would resemble modern Turkmenistan or Belarus, the latter would likely separate eventually, leaving only Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Russia, and Belarus. The Iraq war would likely not happen, and a bit less focus would go to the "war on terrorism". Supposing the Warsaw pact is gone, some sort of trade zone would likely be set up as a sort of successor. Overall, I don't think much would change, the USSR would be more isolationist no matter what, but would serve as a balance against some of the US incursions, especially in the 1990s-2000s, but now, 2020s, the world would be pretty much similar.

>>935761886
The Soviet Union was never in the tech race. They set arbitrary dead lines to try to appear to be competing with people close to doing something. Then they'd horribly fuck it up and likely kill people, or have some half assed doesn't work bullshit. There was no point where their tech actually worked in anything practical. It was all for show. Ironically them collapsing and actually having fascism probably advanced them quicker than their dog and pony show of pretending not to be a totalitarian nightmare. It's just proof that most of humanity simply pays lip service to anything and is actively breeding psychopaths. If anything if they collapsed sooner the rest of the world would have considered themselves benevolent to develop these people into the industrial age at their own expense. Instead they basically decided to slaughter their own people and constantly lose at everything they compete at short of cheating. The Soviet Union never escaped Feudalism and selfism. They just painted it over with propaganda. If anything they set back their own development and everyone else's by years pretending they were competent at anything other than creating a miserable condition for their population and threatening the world with nuclear war.

>>935763310
^ The inner workings of the primitive mind of a shit-for-brains vile pig.

>>935763089
China has always had 5x the people the US has had, the ratio has actually been much higher in the past when US population was lower. The stuff about Ruzzia just confirms you're a clueless retard

Ruzzian engineers aren't worth shit there's no engineering culture in ruzzia and anyone with talent leaves that godforsaken shithole

>>935763310
Soviet military tech was on par and in some cases better than western counterparts till the 80's and they had the ability to produce en masse. 80's was when western wunderwaffe tech entered production, thermal imaging, better radars, missile tech, armour, better munitions

>>935763463
you're full of shit
the US built the SR-71, something the Soviets never accomplished, and it took them decades to be able to actually deal with a US fastmover like that

Soviet tech was Ukrainians in any case, Ruzzians are good for gasoline huffing and raping each other and calling each other fags while they do it

>>935763401
Well friend there is a reason why my ancestors fled the place for better pastures. It's always been mismanaged and backwards. Short of them threatening to destroy the environment with nukes they stole from nazi scientists the Russians have never accomplished anything. I mean look at you, you're a prime example of why communism doesn't work. Someone should have put you against a wall and shot you for the betterment of mankind, I guess them packing off people for gulags is the best idea they could do with your sort.
>>935763463
They almost rivaled that tech, and failed. Then tried to pretend they rivaled it by holding the world hostage with nuclear war. At no point have they ever been competitive with anyone short of savages shouting allah akbar and even then they still lost wars against muslims. There is nothing tech wise to innovate they've always played catch up, and actively choose things to their detriment to pretend they're near anyone else. The only thing of note they've ever done in history is steal nuclear technology and hold the world hostage with the threat of destroying the environment with it.

>>935763510
They had one spy plane, nice. Soviets had t-64/72 which were better than what the west had. AK's were mass produced and more reliable than western weapons at the time. They had more planes aswell, more helicopters which again were better. In the 80's we in the west started to produce the stuff that we have till today, abrams, leopards, challengers, f-series planes, apaches, refined the 556 platforms

>>935763678
They were so good at producing things their fucking country collapsed. Woopidy fucking doo. What a legacy. What is their standard of living they're producing things to improve it? Nope. It's still a backwards shit hole. Always has been. Maybe next time you can try real communism somewhere else since it's failed fucking everywhere from it's own means without anyone else having to do anything. You ever stop and think maybe your political ideology is a bad idea if you have to force people at gun point to do it?

>>935763779
I said till the 80's, did the Eastern block collapse in 1970? Are you actually retarded? Can you read?

>>935763989
As a matter of fact, I am a retard. Fancy that, still surpassed the USSR, and it's successor.

>>935763063
It's not a matter of "low IQ", it's a matter of the Russians not being able to save the Soviet empire.
It would have taken a complete reform into state capitalism like the Chinese did.
And frankly, the Russians aren't smart enough to do it

>>935764161
How would you have felt now if didn't have breakfast this morning?

>>935764228
Just fine, comrade. I usually don't eat breakfast anyways. But, now that you've determined I'm not a sociopath, we still don't have any sort of clear path for the soviet empire surviving. It would take a complete change of government.
They were completely unable to reform even though they tried throughout the 80s as their economy cratered.
In China, they just moved back into Confucianism and play lip service with the commie part.

>>935761767 (OP)
The Soviet Union collapsed as a result of the CIA winning the Intelligence Wars. For that not to have happened, J.F.K. would have had to have lived out his two terms as president. The Un.N. would have flourished and held an integrity unparelled in this world. Globalism would have spread more naturally and the Jews would never have been able to monopolize as they have. The Cold War would have eventually fizzled to nothing and the international joint space projects would have already had us mining asteroids by now. global peace would effectively be in order, if merely in its initial unofficial incarnation.

>>935764462
>The U.N.* would have flourished

>>935761767 (OP)
Poland just installed a Putin puppet. World looks just about the same.


No Russian elections.
No Russian free press.
Borders closed to citizens.
Conscription.
Gay military.
Propaganda.


Pretty much the same.

>>935761767 (OP)
the correct question to ask would be what would russia look like today if lenin never died or the other dude, or if any other ideology took over. or if they just split up. but the soviet union was just a dictatorship that was failing yk trending downwards for many many years.

>>935761767 (OP)
There'd already be a private owed spacestation and the chinese would have more archaic mechanized vehicles designs than they already do.

>>935766601
this

>>935769373
Huh

sss

Lunch

>>935761767 (OP)
I’m not sure, cause if communist China still rose to the powerhouse it is today, that may hurt ties or complicate their relationship with the USSR. But it would be a nightmare to have the USSR and current CCP exist at the same time on the planet

>>935776058
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sino-Soviet_split

>>935776162
We would be living in a time of true Communism, and would have access to things like the Sputnik 1 and Vostok 3A

We would probably have had a more stable world, as a weakened United States wouldn't have been able to dominate the World in the way

>>935761767 (OP)
I'm disappointed because we could have shipped our nigger problem over there for paid extermination; priceless!

>>935764462
>Jews would never have been able to monopolize as they have
Jews secured total victory the second they gave women rights in 1919. Everyone willingly signed up to the death cult of dying for Jewish interests on that day. People fell for Jew interests in WW1, then that proved they had carte blanche to take everything from the west, leading to a nonstop march towards progressive Jewish takeover, which ended with total Jew control over the US and the West. MIGA is the official party of the USA, both sides fervently support them. They only fucked up by letting the mask slip and letting the plebs and NPCs know they are in charge of it all, instead of the dreaded evil "whites".

>>935778156
>I'm disappointed because we could have shipped our nigger problem over there for paid extermination; priceless!
What are you even talking about

>>935773122
Meds

>>935778067
>We would probably have had a more stable world, as a weakened United States wouldn't have been able to dominate the World
this

>>935786437
shut the fuck up you dim simp
u and that other retard

Dim sum

>>935761767 (OP)
putin would have had to continue sucking cock for a living

>>935789238
He never did that