tell me about when you were raped

or if you did the raping

i want to hear it all

reddit spacing niggers

>>935806954 (OP)
When i was 16 i nutted inside my gf even though she told me not to, doesnt really count as rape but she whined on and on for the next couple years about how i "raped" her

>>935806954 (OP)
define rape.

once drugged my gf at a anime convention, posted an ad of her on reddit, invited a random over, he fucks her ass raw, she wakes up and freaks out

we are now married years later, she sometimes have rape fantasy kinks

>>935806954 (OP)
I’ve never raped but I’ve put a lot of pressure on girls to have sex with me. Feel kind of bad now.

I was 16 having a mental breakdown
Wandering streets at midnight
Friend gets her dad to pick me up and bring me to their house
Laying on couch, unable to speak
She rides me until i cum and then goes to sleep
I couldnt say no
I kept hooking up with her afterwards even though she raped me. Found out later that she was also raped and shit herself to make him stop. Kinda fucked up my sense of intimacy for awhile

>>935807046
And now is your wife i suppose?

>>935807163
No we broke up. She was a crazy bitch tho, cheated on me twice. Now i have a goth ftm bf instead

>>935807124
nigga u got raped by a girl like bruh just shove her off no way ur 16 yr old ass was that weak nigga what

>>935807182
Bad ending

>>935807215
Good ending lmao, she made me miserable

>>935807089
this is what i sent the dude who responded

>>935807257
But you left her pregnant to be with a tranny

>>935807306
Nah she didnt get pregnant she was on birth control. And the tranny im with has bigger tits than her and less acne so its a win

>>935807211
yeah that's pretty much the usual response to a guy getting raped. you wouldn't really be able to get it unless you've experienced dissociation and an inability to speak or move. it makes you pretty helpless.

I apparently have sexsomnia (it's a kind of sleepwalking, which I also, but with sex). Happened with my ex-wife (twice I think) and she was pissed off because I raped her while she sleeps. The worse is that I didn't even remember, it's like being half-aware of what was happening.
As I said, ex-wife. My current GF finds it pretty hot. I already did some sexsomnia with her and some actual sex while she is sleeping (or at least in the beginning). Those are 100% the best sexual activities we have. I love to wake her up mid sex.
Pic is related.

>>935807363
Treating woman like objets lead you to be with an object

>>935806954 (OP)
Be me, 20 with a gf in college. I had a friend, F,18 back home. She also had an on/off bf. She would come over and blow me occasionally. We meet up on a break from school and she comes over after everyone is asleep. We talk, she gets real passive aggressive about me having a gf even though she has a bf. She confesses that she’s always been in love with me. She starts blowing me, but takes most of her clothes off. I pull her up to straddle me and grind on my dick. She says we can’t go further. She pulls my shirt off and I lay her on the couch, pulling her panties to the side to rub my dick on her lips. She’s pushing against the head and it’s getting deeper and deeper. She says we can’t have sex while she’s pulling me into her. Finally have enough, pull her parties off and start deep stroking her. She pushes me off and climbs on top to ride me. She rides me until she cums. I play her down and put her ankles behind my head and give her slow deep strokes until I cum in her. We clean up and lay back on the couch. She tells me I raped her. I kick her out and panic for weeks. She hits me up like a month later asking when I’ll be home again. We keep fucking like that for years. She always brings up the “rape”.

>>935807276
Damn I missed because I was writing my story

>>935806954 (OP)
I only hear about rape.
High school gf any time I wanted to do something, not even sex or even kissing, she'd say "I was raped before". We always did what she wanted. We were only together for a few weeks.
Few years back my internet was down, went to a starbucks to do work on free wifi. Random woman sat next to me, then after a few minutes demanded I leave she was afraid I would rape her. I moved to a table. She moved to the next table and did it again. Barista asked me to leave. Woman followed me out and screamed that I was "stealing her car". Totally insane karen. Filed a complaint with starbucks... got a $100 giftcard.
Networking with people for business, met a woman who wanted to represent me in my side business of sculpting, claimed she'd get me a gallery showing. She would talk on-and-on, often telling how she was raped as a child, wanted me to beat up her bf, and made sexual advances at me; she was 20 years older and unattractive. She was intensely rude to staff at any place we'd meet up to discuss work, which she never wanted to talk about work.
NUMBER ONE way you know a woman has never been raped: she talks about it.

>>935807428
With how ran through that hoe was she basically was an object kek

>>935806954 (OP)
Bump

>>935806954 (OP)
at a house party when I was 16, girl called Emily got very drunk, she was very trusting and innocent and well made the mistake of hanging out with me until she blacked out.

>>935808221
You are a monster!
Details or pic?

>>935807501
>NUMBER ONE way you know a woman has never been raped: she talks about it.

You're attracted to crazy women.

By your reasoning if a woman says she's been raped she hasn't. Which means that any woman who claims to have been raped hasn't been rape, and if a woman says she's never been raped then she hasn't been raped? So no women have ever been raped?

>>935808333
Look at the way he writes. Ignore that anon. He is the real bitch.

>>935808300
Not sure I have any pic of her anymore tbh.
but what happened was pretty straight forward, we were hanging out upstairs, she got drunker and drunker, mostly due to me, when she passed out I took her into a bed room closed the door, laid her on the bed, skirt up panties off and had some fun

>>935808432
And after that? How did she react?

>>935808494
she had didn't really remember what happened leading up to it, I left her in that room and went home shorty after, tbh pretty sure at least on other guy had a go on her that night as well.

She knew shed been used but never who did it.

>>935807092
>but I’ve put a lot of pressure on girls to have sex with me.

Depending on how it is done, that is rape.

For example; if a woman repeatedly said no to you, but you kept going on at them until they said yes or they went silently along with what you wanted, then they literally couldn't say no.

In the court of law (depending on where you live) that can be classed as coercion or acquiescence, and legally that is a form of rape.

A lot of people think rape has to look like a Hollywood film where there is an overt threat of violence or violence.

It's what is happening regarding Rocco, he is on camera pressuring women into sex after they've repeatedly said no (e.g. the infamous video entitled "How To Harass An 18 Y/O Into Doing Anal" vid by Rocco which you can find on the web, but no longer on Efukt.).

I was startling realization to understand that I had SA'd women as a teenager, because I didn't take no for an answer. I feel ashamed, and so I always take the opportunity to let other men know that "pressuring" or "harassing" a woman into sex is form of rape.

(Yes, reddit spacing. My ADHD brain has trouble processing when everything is clumped together.)

>>935808604
>I was startling realization to understand that I had SA'd women as a teenager

Correcting the sentence;

It was a startling realization to understand that I had SA'd girls/women as a teenager

>>935806954 (OP)
Ribbit

>>935808604
nice this is the most reddit thing i've read all day
>if someone pressures you to do something, they basically forced you too!

My ex is an alcoholic. She was also in CNC. I'd often fuck her when she was passed out. So its not technically not rape, but felt kinda rapey

>>935807449
She wants to believe it was cause the idea turns her on

Who's volunteering to be my little secret tonight? emaquiie

>>935810110
Is this spam?

>>935810159
>Is this spam?

Actually, It's Specially Processed American Meat,. but it's also SPAM -- NOT "spam". All upper case letters, Nimrod.

I have a question can somebody withdraw consent after they already had consensual sex?

I pretty much raped one of my friends at uni. She doesn't even know.

We were walking back towards our houses after a night of drinking, I think her drink got spiked. She was really out of it.

I lived on the same street as she did so said I'd make sure she got home alright.
She was pretty unsteady on her feet, using me to prop herself up. At first I used the opportunity to grope her. She took no notice of anything. By the time we got to her front door she was even worse, could barely stand up. Completely out of it.

I had to help her unlock the door and up the stairs to bed. She didn't react to me hand up her dress the whole time.

Getting to her room I let her fall onto her bed, spread her legs and pulled her underwear down. My intention was to just have a look at her pussy, but when it was put I tried fondling it, then tasting it, the rubbing my cock along it until finally starting to push it in after getting her wet with my tongue.

It took a while to work my cock into her. She was really tight at the start but her pussy eventually stretched out and opened up and I think it might have even got wetter too.

Barely had any reaction to getting fucked so she must have been roofied good. I was an idiot though and didn't use a condom so I had to clean her out a bit after I came.

I pulled her underpants back up, dress back down and flipped her over onto her front and let myself out.

I was paranoid that she'd remember something but she text me a few days later to thank me for helping her get home safe, so clearly didn't remember a thing. I was still terrified that I'd knocked her up for a few months though.

>>935811627
Totally bullshit, but happens a lot more than it should.

>>935811892
Plus there's the whole thing about being too drunk to consent. But if the man is equally as drunk, he's still guilty of rape.

>>935807363
>she was on birth control and I came inside her and that's rape
I must have "raped" several girls then. one insisted I ejaculate inside her without telling me she was on birth control. in fact several did, one of which wasn't anything.

>>935807501
>uses the nigger-derived anti-white slur "karen"
>admits to spending time in a starbucks
>acts rapey around girls in general
oh look, a dirty stinking nigger shitskin
kill yourself

>>935811988
Same. Worked out how to get condoms to break reliably while fucking them. Filled so many up 'accidentally'

>>935811956
If you can't see the difference, damn

>>935812105
What's the difference. If she was too drunk to consent then surely he was too.

>>935809768

Rape doesn't have to involve physical force, that's the point.

Rape is about consent.

When you repeatedly ask you are demonstrably not taking no for an answer.

People can capitulate because because they may fear escalation, which any good lawyer will argue in court.

Please take no for an answer, anon.

>>935812102
that's not the same at all. the girls were telling me to do it and I wasn't wearing a condom to start with because I'm not an aids faggot

>>935808604
You have to go back

>>935809768
That’s literally the law, dipshit

>>935806954 (OP)
This is a public forum you dumbfuck

>>935812338
post nudes or else

>>935812439
no

>>935806954 (OP)
I was statutory rped like 1000 times by our neighbor, from the age of 13-16. He used to give me weed, ecstasy, and viagra, and fuck the shit out of me while I held my dick in an electric fleshlight that he would fill with hot oil. I’m actually straight, but the most intense orgasms I have ever had were under that man…sad but true.

>>935808604
Women have called me trans because I won't rape them. I'm not a handsome guy and am quite hated due to my unwanted presence in most places so I assumed she was frustrated that her entrapment wasn't working. Or maybe she really did want to be raped by a 6ft tall skinnyfat.

>>935812537
Damn anon.

That’s pretty gay, I’m sorry.

>>935812087
>"anti-white slur "karen""
kill yourself faggot

>>935812537
>>935812603 agreed. Anon is a faggot in denial

>>935808604
>if a woman repeatedly said no to you, but you kept going on at them until they said yes or they went silently along with what you wanted, then they literally couldn't say no.
Nonsense. And even if that's what constituted the crime of rape that is impossible to prove.

>A lot of people think rape has to look like a Hollywood film where there is an overt threat of violence or violence.
That is because that's exactly what rape is.
Granted, feminism has weaponized the concept and has been on a steady march to propagandize people into believing rape encapsulates more than rape.

>I was startling realization to understand that I had SA'd women as a teenager, because I didn't take no for an answer.
No, sexual assault is a physical act.

>I always take the opportunity to let other men know that "pressuring" or "harassing" a woman into sex is form of rape.

>>935812181
>Rape doesn't have to involve physical force, that's the point.
Yes it does. The act of sex itself is the physical force.

>Rape is about consent.
That's a component.

>When you repeatedly ask you are demonstrably not taking no for an answer.
People are allowed to verbally not take no for an answer. They're not allowed to lay a hand or stalk somebody.

>People can capitulate because because they may fear escalation, which any good lawyer will argue in court.
Who cares what a lawyer might argue? Meaningless.

>>935812731
Idiot

>>935812731
I'm the >>935807423 anon

My current GF told me she was raped when she was 12. A church guy (around 18) invited her to go to his house for helping him with some church related stuff for an event or something. She went. He escalated quickly, she didn't know how to tell him to stop. She managed to get out once he finished the 'job'.

She tried to talk with her shitty family but no one believed her, called her a 'whore' and that if that really happened it was because of she wanted it to happen.

>>935812731
>Nonsense. And even if that's what constituted the crime of rape that is impossible to prove.

Not if the man admits to it.

A lot of men do not understand that they are admitting to SA when they said their pressured a woman into sex.

>That's a component.

That is literally what makes it rape.

Please take no for an answer anon. It's not OK to harass or pressure people into doing sex acts, and I hope you encourage your friends not to pressure or harass people into sex.

I doubt I'll get through to you because of your "femininized has weaponized..." mindset. But I can only hope.

>People are allowed to verbally not take no for an answer.

Please talk to a lawyer.

Though maybe you live in fucked up country where you don't have to take no for an answer.

>Who cares what a lawyer might argue? Meaningless.

Pic related.

>>935812731
Psycho rapist in denial.

Christ, dude.

>>935807124
>>935807211
Just don't get a boner bro

>>935806954 (OP)

>>935807046
Definitely wasnt rape but it was wrong.

>>935813139
Story sounds like bullshit and you weren't there to boot. Granted, maybe you just didn't listen carefully enough to what she was saying to be able to recount the events right.

>>935807089
How old was she?

I rped my stepdaughter in her ass, which she absolutely deserved, and it was easily the best experience of my entire life. As far as I know, she has never told anyone.

>>935812523
post them. I don't take no for an answer

>>935812650
kill yourself first you stinking third world shitskin

Let's make tonight one to remember... or forget. emaquiie

>>935808432
was this your first time with a girl? What kind of panties did she have? Was she shaved?

how exactly did you use her? condom? cum inside her, on her?

>>935813170
>Not if the man admits to it.
Then you're pretty much fucked if they don't as a start.

>A lot of men do not understand that they are admitting to SA when they said their pressured a woman into sex.
SA and rape are two different things, and if the words don't contain threats? Good luck.

>That is literally what makes it rape.
It's multiple components. You need the duress and you need to the physical force of sex.

>Please take no for an answer anon.
I do, but that's beside the point. You're promulgating bullshit as if it were wisdom. You don't know what you're talking about.

>Please talk to a lawyer.
Already have.

>Though maybe you live in fucked up country where you don't have to take no for an answer.
Well that's your problem: You've never actually spoken to a lawyer. Ever.

Your first misconception about lawyers making arguments is that lawyers will say all sorts of shit on behalf of their client. Shit they absolutely know the judge is not going to go for. They still have a duty to try.

Your second misconception about lawyers is that their advice is going to keep you out of legal trouble. Let's just say for the sake of argument you're the best-est best boy in the entire word and you don't so much as even look in the direction of a woman unless they ask you to do so? That doesn't mean you still can't fall into legal trouble. Lots of innocent black men got lynched for the crime of rape when they didn't so much as lay a hand on anyone. Often times a lawyer's advice is there to stymie modes of attack a prosecutor is going to try and use against you, and that often is advice that attempts to keep you well away from any sort of gray areas.

cont.

>>935813170
Another example: In the US, in many places, people have a right to open carry guns. Most lawyers worth their salt tell people not to exercise that right that way because karens will call in and cops will show up and harass the guy. Just by being in proximity to the police greatly increases one's odds of catching legal trouble even if they're completely right within the law.

>>935813460
Tell me what's off? I recounted just the key parts, not the full story oc.

Her family is a completely dump of shit. The worst people I ever known.

>>935812537
I'm going to need you to greentext this, sounds hot as fuck

>>935813487
tell the full story. what did she do to deserve it? Was this her first time? How did you do it?

I’m a boy and I got raped at 18. I was walking thru my neighborhood late at night and a another man sucker punched me in the face when he walked passed me, kind of dog walked me into a parking lot behind a building, ripped my pants off and fucked me. I know he pulled out and finished himself on to the concrete. I didn’t really fight it, but the craziest part is that I had diarrhea that day so I know he got shit dick. The other crazy part is that it doesn’t really matter to me. I feel most people who get raped or assaulted make it their whole personality and cry about it until the end of time. For me I was kind of just like “huh. So that just happened” and went about my life.

>>935813933
Sure.

>>935813139
So basically the context is trying to borrow the two major categories of rape anecdotes. One is the guy who pulls people into dark alleyways. The other is the close friend/family member who's a piece of shit.

If we have a rape anecdote where the guy is some rando pulling a person into a dark alleyway? Well considering the circumstances it makes perfect sense why a victim isn't going to be super strong on details because they've never met this stranger before, stranger might be covered up to conceal their identifying features... so saying, "Oh, he was like 18..." there might make some sense.

If we've got a category 2 anecdote well then the victim has been around this piece of shit for quite some time. Probably was groomed by them a bit. So there is no "like 18. Not only that, but because the speed of this happening is so comparatively slow? Because a victim is going to replay the causal events in their mind about what led up to the horrible events of that day?

... they're going to be pretty damn fucking detailed about what led to what which led to where they were and how the guy got there, and what happened.

But like I said, you weren't there, you're recounting in the stead of your gf and to be fair to that, you might just be shit at recounting the tale.

>Her family is a completely dump of shit. The worst people I ever known.
Well that is something you could attest to.

>>935806954 (OP)
Best (female) friend and I were roommates, and she was a real drunk. I was deeply infatuated. Her and her boyfriend were toxic, but in lust. Constant fucking. Often they'd fuck, fight, pass out, wake up n fuck, pass out, he'd leave eventually. He left early one night. I fucked her passed out body, sloppy seconds in her ceampied cunt, I blew my load in there with his. God her body was perfect. She felt so good.

>>935807449
Kek fucking girls man.

She’s literally doing that so if anything came back to bite her she can say “he raped me”, and it also reinforces in her mind that it was your idea to do it so she’s less to blame

Women are fucked in the head man, the mental gymnastics they play with themselves and others is wild

Any anon reading this, remember it. They are all like this and can’t take responsibility

>>935813821
>SA and rape are two different things, and if the words don't contain threats? Good luck

Rape is a form of sexual assault.

I said SA to be more encompassing.

>It's multiple components. You need the duress and you need to the physical force of sex.

You don't need overt threats for something to be rape.

Also, simply a person who is much stronger than an another person not taking no for an answer is inherently threatening.

Let's imagine Tyson Fury were in a broken elevator and he asked you to "lend him" the $50 he saw in your wallet. Noone else around and he just wont' take no for an answer. Rationally, if you have any street smarts, you would think that he may eventually get frustrated and hit you. You don't don't want to be hit Tyson Fury (I promise you), so you might give him what he wants to avoid violence.

Were you under duress or not? He'll argue that he never never threatened you, and so you gave the $50 to him without duress.

Do you agree?

>You don't know what you're talking about.

What did your Lawyer say about the topic of non violent coercion? They told you it doesn't exist?


However, our debate isn't just about legality, it's
about ethics. You can dismiss other's views as "bullshit" but that just shows me you can't have a discussion with people who don't agree with you without getting overly emotional.

You don't seem to be able to talk about this topic without getting overly emotional. And I know from experience when people get emotional like you they aren't really going to talk rationally about the subject.

I pretty much know where this is going to go. Your next post is probably going to be descend more "bullshit! Fucking moron" type language, based on experience people in control of their emotions don't talk like that.

I'm glad you take no for an answer.

>>935813821

>SA and rape are two different things, and if the words don't contain threats? Good luck

Rape is a form of sexual assault.

I said SA to be more encompassing.

>It's multiple components. You need the duress and you need to the physical force of sex.

You don't need overt threats for something to be rape.

Also, simply a person who is much stronger than an another person not taking no for an answer is inherently threatening.

Let's imagine you and a guy build like a pro NFL player cross paths in an alley in shitty part of town. He asks you to "lend him" the $50 he saw in your wallet. You realize noone else is around, and he just won't take no for an answer. Rationally, if you have any street smarts, you would think that he may eventually get frustrated and hit you, and even if you try to run he might be faster than you and grab you anyway. So you might give him what he wants to avoid escalation.

He'll argue that he never never threatened you, and so you gave the $50 to him without duress. Were you under duress or not?

In the face of a perception of threat, human beings can respond in; fight, flight, freeze, collapse (faint), and fawn (e.g. acquiescence /capitulation).

>You don't know what you're talking about.

What did the Lawyer say about the topic of convictions for rape and SA by non-violent coercion? They told you that doesn't exist? If they told you it doesn't exist, what country are you in?

Regardless, our debate isn't just about legality, it's about ethics.

Rape is about consent, and consent isn't just negated by violence or the threat of violence.

I'm glad you take no for an answer. Why do you take no for an answer?

>>935814037
She had just gotten way too comfortable disrespecting me, and her mother just let her get away with it, she was a total punkass all the time, and I was never allowed to discipline her. My wife ended up staying a few days with her mother, who was having significant health problems at the time, so I was home alone with my step daughter and the very first night she basically called me a retard, splashed a full glass of water on me, and stormed off to her room, which I tried to just let go, but I eventually just couldn’t. I went into her room, bent her over her bed, pulled her pajamas down, and spanked her bare ass as hard as I could for about a solid minute, she was screaming and crying, which(slightly unexpectedly)made me hard as a rock, and I just lost all of my control. I used her hand lotion to lube up, and turned her whole fucking world upside down.
It was DEFINITELY her first time, and my penis is actually above average, so just getting it in at all was tough, but I did it, and I had her apologizing like you wouldn’t believe. I ended up pounded her little ass so hard that I actually broke part of the boxspring under her bed. Needless to say, she never disrespected me ever again, and she never told my wife.

>>935814942
that's so fucking hot, what were the exact words she used? Did you see her cunt? was it hairy? was it wet?

did she ever give any hints of liking it? Or ever wanting it again?

>>935814752
>Rape is a form of sexual assault.
>I said SA to be more encompassing.
You said it like that because feminists frequently conflate the two and, at best, you've adopted their bad habits.

>You don't need overt threats for something to be rape.
I didn't say that.

>Also, simply a person who is much stronger than an another person not taking no for an answer is inherently threatening.
No it isn't.

>Let's imagine you and a guy build like a pro NFL player cross paths in an alley in shitty part of town. He asks you to "lend him" the $50 he saw in your wallet. You realize noone else is around, and he just won't take no for an answer. Rationally, if you have any street smarts, you would think that he may eventually get frustrated and hit you, and even if you try to run he might be faster than you and grab you anyway. So you might give him what he wants to avoid escalation.
So are you saying that the major issue facing women in regards to the crime of rape is that they frequently enter shitty areas of cities/towns, go down dark alleyways, run into people built like pro-NFL players, and have found themselves in a situation where only the two of them are there with nobody else around?

>He'll argue that he never never threatened you, and so you gave the $50 to him without duress. Were you under duress or not?
That conversation to ascertain that info would never happen. This was some rando on the street, no? ... nobody is going to find him. The cops aren't going to canvas the area to recoup a stolen $50. You're not even going to get to the stage to retain a lawyer to depose the guy who's never going to be brought in.

>What did the Lawyer say about the topic of convictions for rape and SA by non-violent coercion?
Devilishly hard to prove.

(cont.)

>>935814752
>what country are you in?
Not on this honeypot.

>Regardless, our debate isn't just about legality, it's about ethics.
You're the one who brought up law.

>Rape is about consent, and consent isn't just negated by violence or the threat of violence.
The funny thing about ethical standards is that without the law behind them they're just platitudes. Not only that, but ethics vary. Moreover, most people are operating from the framework of moral relativism which means you might have ethical standard A in which women say no and that there is the red line in the sand, but also might be cognizant that in Morocco there's ethical standard B in which if a rapist rapes and is caught? Well then the rapist damaged the goods of the girl and now has to pony up. Without an objective standard of ethics, how does one actually have the grounds to say Morocco is doing anything wrong?

>I'm glad you take no for an answer. Why do you take no for an answer?
Because about once a month I get a yes even when I wasn't asking for it and I usually turn it down.

>>935807124
>shit herself to make him stop.
this is how i know you're lying

>>935815432
>You said it like that because feminists frequently conflate the two and, at best, you've adopted their bad habits.

No, I said it because rape is a form of SA and SA is a more encompassing term.

>So are you saying that the major issue facing women in regards to the crime of rape is that they frequently enter shitty areas of cities/towns, go down dark alleyways, run into people built like pro-NFL players, and have found themselves in a situation where only the two of them are there with nobody else around?

No, it was a thought experiment.

>That conversation to ascertain that info would never happen. This was some rando on the street, no? ... nobody is going to find him. The cops aren't going to canvas the area to recoup a stolen $50. You're not even going to get to the stage to retain a lawyer to depose the guy who's never going to be brought in.

OK, you're avoiding answering the question I posed thought experiment.

I think most people would say they felt under duress, even though there was not explicit threat or use of violence. Simply this stronger person would not take no for an answer

>You're the one who brought up law.

Yes, that doesn't mean legality is all this is about.

>The funny thing about ethical standards is that without the law behind them they're just platitudes. Not only that, but ethics vary. Moreover, most people are operating from the framework of moral relativism which means you might have ethical standard A in which women say no and that there is the red line in the sand, but also might be cognizant that in Morocco there's ethical standard B in which if a rapist rapes and is caught? Well then the rapist damaged the goods of the girl and now has to pony up. Without an objective standard of ethics, how does one actually have the grounds to say Morocco is doing anything wrong?

Do you have the standard that consent for sex acts is a good?

I'm not asking if it's objectively good, I'm asking for your personal standard.

this thread is peak redit...

>>935815288
She used many words, begged me to stop, apologized repeatedly, I also made her tell me out loud where my dick was, and that she deserved it. I actually fishhooked her at a certain point to shut her up.
I saw and felt quite literally everything, her vagina had very short hair, and it was moist, but I don’t think it was because she was turned on. I think in some ways she subconsciously liked it, just because she had never had a male authority figure in her life, but she definitely did not enjoy it physically…I made sure of it.

>>935815432

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>>What did the Lawyer say about the topic of convictions for rape and SA by non-violent coercion?
>Devilishly hard to prove.

So the lawyer did not say that it doesn't exist, but that it's hard to prove.

So the lawyer agrees with me that rape by non-violent sexual coercion is a part of the law.

>>935815432

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>>What did the Lawyer say about the topic of convictions for rape and SA by non-violent coercion?
>Devilishly hard to prove.

So the lawyer did not say that it doesn't exist, but just that it's hard to prove.

So the lawyer agrees with me that rape by non-violent coercion is a part of the law.

>>935815288
imagine being so dumb you believe that fatty's story...

>>935816181
>No, I said it because rape is a form of SA and SA is a more encompassing term.
And a square is a rectangle, but what advantage is there to the average person to color a square with the label "rectangle" when the specificity of "square" is literally right there? Well I'll tell you: There is nothing to gain politically and so people default to squares being designated acutely as a square.
Feminists attempt to gain political leverage by mushing up the definitions. Like I said, at best, it's a bad habit.

>No, it was a thought experiment.
It's a pretty poor one too. In it you said the pro-NFL guy could see the $50 in the guy's wallet. Well what if the next week we have this pro-NFL guy and a girl walks up and because of her daisy dukes and her ultra low cut top he can see more goods on her than other girls by comparison?

>OK, you're avoiding answering the question I posed thought experiment.
You don't even know what an analogy is, do you? You think it's an argument. Holy shit.

So if you and I are talking but you've never seen an orange or an orange tree before, you've seen a apple and an apple tree before, and I've seen both? I task myself in trying to explain to you what oranges and orange trees are? If I tell you that orange is like an apple? Have I magically transmuted citric acid into malic acid with my wizard powers? No? Well then it's not an argument, it's a tool for fostering understanding. Moreover one can comment on that tool for attempting to foster understanding and point to the fact that eating apples doesn't give people margarita burns while a surprising amount of fruits in the citrus family do, and that's a key difference if one or both of us wants to go sun bathing.

That's what I was doing in the last post, helping to foster the understanding that you're making a poor analogy. A false equivalence even.

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>>935816181
But you want an answer as to why it's not de facto intimidation just because person A is weaker and person B is stronger? Well that would mean that most interactions women have with men are de facto intimidating considering the differences in muscle and bone density alone.
That is so patently against any usual legal or ethical standards.

>Do you have the standard that consent for sex acts is a good?
>I'm not asking if it's objectively good, I'm asking for your personal standard.
Well if we're not dealing with objective ethics, what does any of it matter? I could be a political lesbian that defines all hetero sex as de facto rape. As a matter of fact the crux of that stance hinges on the fact that men are statistically stronger then women and thus inherently intimidating.

>>935816599
>So the lawyer did not say that it doesn't exist, but just that it's hard to prove.
Yep. Usually boils down to he-said she-said.

>So the lawyer agrees with me that rape by non-violent coercion is a part of the law.
Well of course. I mean if we have a contract in which your landlord puts in part of their lease agreement that you must offer up your ass to him every week or he's going to evict you... you sign it and you were so legally illiterate that you actually went along with that provision in the lease... only to eventually run into someone who tells you that your dumbass didn't have to do any of that and the lease itself is evidence of the criminal wrong-doing?

Well then there you go.

>>935806954 (OP)
I was sexually assaulted by a japanese salary woman on the train in Osaka back in January of 2023. It was right after they reopened and still had mask requirements. Anyways this was during rush hour, so I had my back against the doors opposite the doors that opened to make as much space as possible. She was about 4’11” wearing the salarywoman outfit and wearing a face mask. She quickly made eye contact with me while walking over, then turned her back to me. The train didn’t completely fill up, so I was surprised when I felt something bump against me. I looked down and she had slowly backed up into me so her ass was pressing against my crotch. Keep in mind I had my back against the doors so I couldn’t move at all. So for about 5 minutes straight she continuously kept pressing her ass cheeks against my crotch until her stop came. I’m not complaining as it was incredibly hot, but it was technically sexual assault. My biggest regret was not getting off at that stop and asking her to drinks. RIP.

> Well that would mean that most interactions women have with men are de facto intimidating considering the differences in muscle and bone density alone.

We are specifically talking about coercion in regards to consent.

If a man repeatedly will not take no for an answer, then it's a rational assessment that repeated refusal may lead to violent escalation. (Any self protection instructor or rape counsellor will tell you that too.) So a human response to perceived threat can be fawn and freeze.

You keep trying to shift context.

>Well if we're not dealing with objective ethics, what does any of it matter? I could be a political lesbian that defines all hetero sex as de facto rape. As a matter of fact the crux of that stance hinges on the fact that men are statistically stronger then women and thus inherently intimidating.

You do the same trick that Christian and Muslims do.

Whenever you try talking to them about a specific area of ethics they try to shift to meta-ethics, and say exactly what you say.

I always suspect it's a way to get away from the discussion, because meta-ethics is a separate and lengthy debate and it literally alway overtakes the conversation if engaged with and helps them to avoid speaking about the specific ethical issue.

You're already said your lawyer agrees that non-violent coercion is a real thing.

You avoided answering my thought experiment. (Which is your right to do so.)

Nothing more to say, because I see your tactic of constantly trying to divert and change context.

Also, I can't figure out of you gross misinterpretations and non-sequiturs are intentional or unintentional.

I'm gone from the thread; gonna have a walk, do some language learning and then jerk to some porn (maybe crossdresser porn, I haven't decided. Maybe Amber Blank and Kim.).

>karen is an anti-white slur

>>935817750
>>935812087
sry heres your (You)

>>935817530
>We are specifically talking about coercion in regards to consent.
Yep. And you brought up the fact that if a person is stronger that this could be de facto intimidation. Every time you start losing on a point you start expanding the arena looking for some out to squirm to. That's actually not your fault, most people are poorly trained in debate, but what you're not used to is encountering a person who has an answer for each new expansion you bring up which is why you're experience so much difficulty.

>If a man repeatedly will not take no for an answer, then it's a rational assessment that repeated refusal may lead to violent escalation.
How is a slippery slope logical fallacy rational?

>(Any self protection instructor or rape counsellor will tell you that too.)
They're not trained to be lawyers. They're offering opinions that may or may not assist you should you run into legal trouble.

>You do the same trick that Christian and Muslims do.
It's not a trick, its ethics. Which *you* brought up. As an expansion to the discussion because you were losing in the area of law.

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>>935817530
>I always suspect it's a way to get away from the discussion, because meta-ethics is a separate and lengthy debate and it literally alway overtakes the conversation if engaged with and helps them to avoid speaking about the specific ethical issue.
We never had to even delve into ethics in the first place. You're the one who wanted to open that can of worms and immediately retreated when you found you didn't have more leverage to work with there.

>You're already said your lawyer agrees that non-violent coercion is a real thing.
Yes, but they'd also laugh at your misapplication. You think that because non-violent coercion can happen that if you can just convince enough people that a non-violent behavior is coercive that the day is won and that non-violent behavior is now criminally actionable.

>You avoided answering my thought experiment.
I gave you a direct answer. Which you left unopposed.

>Nothing more to say, because I see your tactic of constantly trying to divert and change context.
Projection. Pure projection. I was happy to stay on the law until you brought up ethics. I was happy to stay on specific facts of law until you brought up a mangled hypothetical which I showed in more detail than it deserved showing how malformed it was.

>Also, I can't figure out of you gross misinterpretations and non-sequiturs are intentional or unintentional.
I have a greater understanding of the topics you fling out than you do and you don't know how to handle that.

>gonna have a walk
You do that. Have a good one.

I was 9. My cousin was about 15.

She was visiting for the summer that year & I remember her saying "Hey anon, want to go have fun like us big kids do?"

Me being a niave fuckwit I nodded & she took me out into the woods far away from the house. She took off my pants & started playing with my cock & balls

> instaboner.gif >
> ohshitincest.png >

She proceeds to suck me during my crisis smiling saying, "You're big for your age"
Then she slides her black panties off & starts riding me while I'm against a tree.

I remember just being in this odd zone where everything seems to slow down to a crawl but it felt so good. We fooled around a few more times before we got caught & my cousin got sent back home. To this day I'm thankful she was my first & even though she's married with kids, I'd still give her the time if she asked.

>>935813486
she was 22 at the time, she wouldn’t have woke up if the guy didn’t aggressively fuck her asshole, i honestly thought he was fucking her pussy

When i can fuck you

>>935808604
Is everyone stupid or am I crazy? Why does the whole world act like women never say no when they mean yes and want you to be persistent, and that it's very clear when her no means no and when her no means yes?

>>935806954 (OP)
I technically was raped back in my teens but its very much the whole can a super horny 15 year old guy really be raped by an older women doing things with him

>>935813170
Man, I'd fuck the shit outta Ghislane Maxwell.

>>935816853
That’s hot as fuck.

when i was like 6 to 8 my older cousin (young teens) molested me. thankfully never raped me but would kiss and lick me, and fondle me and dry hump me a lot, would touch my penis and make me touch his. i think he jerked off around me too. later learned he made my even younger cousin give him a blowjob.

>>935818803
So sure, it was statutory. But did you want to fuck her or not?

>>935818413
So she woke up and saw you in the room? She didnt question why you were there?

>>935808592
>She knew shed been used but never who did it.

Poor girl. Hot tho.

>>935819007
I mean she would have never been my 1st choice she was a bigger women who ran a youth club thing I went to but at 15 if I had a pussy I would have gladly fucked it.

>>935819064
felt pretty bad about it for a while after she became very quiet and withdrawn from everything, never told anyone what happened. but it was fun

>>935819049
yes, she woke up and saw both of us, and him ontop of her, she freaked out and had a meltdown. But now she enjoys anal and definitely have rape fantasies from time to time. she knows i raped her but she still loves me and kinda forgives me.

>>935814278
Happened to a friend of mine once. Breaking up with his gf and she then asked him if they could have sex one last time. They did. Few days later she texted him that it was fucked up that he raped her and she started telling people. Luckily enough he got through to her after days of begging and she told people what really happened. But yeah. Women do dumb, fucked shit like this all the time.

My adult cousin tried to put his dick in my mouth and ass a couple of times when I was like 8 maybe. Honestly, don't care about it. Guys should take these things stoically.

>>935806954 (OP)
whomst is this bitch?

>>935819214
>she became very quiet and withdrawn from everything never told anyone what happened.

Oh, fuck. I changed my mind and I take my joke back. That’s genuinely really sad. :(

>>935819929
Remind me of this Chappelle bit:
https://youtu.be/m-3IOhQQQ-E?si=uJEZ8BqZll2pr0-n

>there’s a serial rapist in Houston
>there’s nothing funny about serial rape
>but…..

>>935820185
it was still worth it

>>935806954 (OP)
I (29m) was my biological mother's sex toy till the age of 5.

This is the maximum amount of reddit typing I can manage