It’s a glorified sex doll. Cheating has to involve emotion, a transactional sexual experience is like masturbation or a really good massage. I don’t see anything wrong with it as long as you are not neglecting your wife/gf and using it as a replacement for intimacy

>>936034158 (OP)
hypothetically your wife is allowed to visit male hookers?

>>936034215
No. Women do not have the same need for sexual novelty as men. Sex is always emotional for them in some way. For men, it’s a biological function like pooping or eating

>>936034324
hypothetically your wife is trans

can she visit male hookers yet?

XD

>>936034435
Disgusting but yes. Trans women are men and have the same biological needs

>>936034678
xd

ur so weird

It is clearly cheating unless your gf/wife is aware or granted clear permission for you to see sex workers.
I've done it, I just don't lie to myself and justify it in other ways.

>>936035728
Literally how is it different from a massage? It’s just a dick massage if anything. I believe that cheating is only legit cheating if there is emotion involved, like having a second girlfriend. I don’t condone that. But a totally emotionless transaction? That’s just a glorified massage

>>936035998
because one involves genitals and has sexual intent. bait post and copium

Just say you never had a one night stand mate

I've fucked over 100 hookers. Some ordinary. Some wonderful. Only.one gf has caught me out

>>936037244
>"Girls cant have sex without emotional incentive"
>Fucks 100 girls who have sex without emotional incentive

If you rly fucked triple digit amount or tbh ant amount of hookers and lying to it to ur gf you're an absolute loser fuck. The fact ur coming to the cesspool of the internet to do ur little ethical experiment tells me the 5% human part of you actively knows youre a miserable lying sack of shit

Ask yourself if your gf/wife would be sad if she found out, if she would then it's cheating

If your SO wouldn't approve, it's cheating. Stop being retarded

Either OP is a bot or a troll this exact thread has been done before. If it's not cheating you have your wife's approval, end of, anything else is bait.

>>936039252
>>936039252
>>936039477
>>936039781
I don’t have my wife’s approval to jack off to her friends’ bikini posts on Instagram. I don’t have her approval to watch porn. I don’t have her approval to think about other women. But all these things are perfectly natural for men. Honesty ≠ transparency. It’s okay to handle your needs in private as long as it provides stability in the relationship

>>936036132
Again, what makes that worse than a massage? How does sexual intent make it worse? Sex is not sacred, it’s a biological function like sleeping or eating.

>>936037244
Most women don’t care as long as it was totally meaningless sex. Most women can forgive that but can forgive a secret affair with emotions involved

>>936041534
Ask your wife if it's cheating

>>936041599
Tell your wife every time you jerk off to her friends. Tell your wife every time you take a shit. Tell your wife whenever she looks fat or ugly.

That’s such a cartoonish way to look at relationships. Real relationships have honesty, not full transparency. We’re all human and have needs and urges that might be offensive to others. It’s okay to keep those private

>>936041647
Honesty? In a monogamous relationship you have an agreement not to fuck other people. Saying you will not, but do it behind her back is not honesty. That is deceit. Also known as cheating. This has nothing to do with urges, or sex being sacred. If you and your partner agreed to a monogamous relationship and you break that, you are cheating. If it's an open relationship, you are not cheating. It's that simple.
In other words: Ask your wife if it's cheating.

>>936041534
More people should be striving for stable relationships rather than perfect. What’s better: 50 years of perfect monogamy with the man suppressing his urges and slowly growing to resent his wife? Or 50 years with a whore here and there to relieve the pressure? Sometimes I resent my wife because I feel like I’m missing out on pussy. But last year I fucked an escort in Belgium and literally all those feelings disappeared. It actually helps with long term commitment and stability in a weird way and should be more common

>>936041756
If she never finds out, how does it affect her or the relationship? If I disappear for 45 min and come back relaxed and happy, what does it matter?

>>936041845
Okay so we moved from "it's not cheating" to "it's okay if she doesn't find out". Cool, glad we agree. Have fun cheating.

What are average prices?

>>936041845
It doesn’t matter. People are just prudish about sex. I’m a man. I look at other women constantly. That’s not a moral failing - that’s biology. And either I can grow to resent my wife over time for keeping me from it or I can shoot my load into a hot 23 year old once or twice a year to keep that urge under control. It’s not rocket science. No one can make a coherent argument against it without resorting to “muh morality”

Israel is an illegitimate state

>>936041867
No yeah I agree it is deception and not honest. I just don’t see anything wrong with that. You can’t expect 100% honesty in a relationship - that’s not realistic

>>936041924
Your wife getting gangbanged on her "girl's night at my friends place". It's cool though, because you won't find out. She's just letting off some steam to not resent you :^).

>>936041868
Depends. Asian massage parlors are around $150-200. Legit brothels in Europe are around $100. A high end girl can cost $500+. If you do it once in a blue moon, it’s not too crazy

>>936034324
Sounds like you're retarded if you think men doing it is okay but women can't
Impregnation is possible
It's cheating

>>936034158 (OP)
Rolllarinoo

>>936041962
>That’s such a cartoonish way to look at relationships. Real relationships have honesty, not full transparency.
My guy you are full of shit. I don't give a flying fuck what you do, but you are a raging hypocrite. Check yourself.

>>936041974
No that’s disgusting. Women don’t have a need for sexual variety. They have a need for the top man and for emotional connection

Men give out sex like it is nothing, women give out emotion like it’s nothing. A male fantasy is about fucking some big booty Latina and cumming on her face. Women’s fantasy is being swept off her feet by a long haired Italian man named Gustavo and romanced in Tuscany. Sex may or may not be involved. Want proof? Men watch porn, women read smut

The equivalent would be if she did a girls trip to Italy and some guy romanced her for a week. Would I like it? No. Would I understand it enough to forgive her? Yes

>>936034324
How do you know, are you a woman, faggot?

>>936042009
Men sexually select for variety because the male investment in reproduction is minimal. Women select for the top male because their investment in reproduction is enormous. One man can impregnate many women at a time, a woman can only be impregnated by one man at a time. Therefore, men naturally seek out multiple partners and women seek out the best of the bunch. It’s not that fucking hard to understand. Why do you think single women who ride the cock carousel end up depressed but men who fuck lots of women are happy? Kill yourself

>>936042165
It’s simple evolutionary psychology and behavioral science. It’s truly not that hard to grasp

>>936042133
>Want proof? Men watch porn, women read smut
Women don't masturbate? Do one night stands? Suck someone off at the club for fun? Honestly, from everything you're saying here, combined with the fact that you reposted this thread multiple times already:
Everything is made up
You don't have a wife
You never talk to women
You probably never had sex with a hooker, or sex at all
This is all a larp.

>>936042312
>>936042312
99% of men masturbate regularly. 40% of women do. Some women do have a very high libido but most do not. I’m speaking in general for men and women, obviously this doesn’t apply in all situations

And I’ve posted this several times because so far no one has proven me wrong

>>936042245
This. I don’t get why midwits struggle with this so much. I see so many men unhappy in their relationships, struggling with porn addiction, etc. Why suffer? Why deny basic biology?

>>936042312
>>936042039
>>936039096
John shaming is the ultimate simp behavior

>>936034158 (OP)
Jesus, if you had a girlfriend I would fuck her and send you pictures of the aftermath, but you'll never have a girlfriend

>>936042800
Larp shaming is the right behavior though. OP is some retard who binged a few fresh and fit podcasts too many.

>>936034158 (OP)
I see where you are coming from but I have to disagree. The decision if something constitutes cheating isn't solely yours to make. It is something that has to be addressed with the other person in your relationship because it is by definition a violation of that relationship. It's like an OR gate. The only time it isn't cheating is if both parties agree it isn't. All other possible options are cheating, just some of them may not personally bother you as much.

>>936042857
>>936043014
This is why I’ve posted this question like three times. I want to see if I get a single non-midwit response. But all I get is “dude it’s bad because it’s wrong”. Why is it wrong? “It’s wrong because it’s bad dude”.

Men are capable of having emotionless sex. Cheating must involve emotion. I agree that it is wrong for a man to have feelings for another woman and fuck her. But a random woman he’ll never see again? I don’t think that’s wrong

>>936043264
I actually do agree with you. In an ideal world where women understand male psychology and sexual behavior, it would be openly talked about. But until then, discretion is fine. It’s like we all understand that we poop. There’s nothing wrong with pooping. That doesn’t mean I want to hear all about my wife’s poop or she wants to hear about mine. Secret doesn’t mean wrong. It means privacy is okay

>>936042667
>Relationships are about honesty
>Okay I'm not being honest
>Fucking prostitutes is not cheating
>Okay it's cheating but it's okay if she doesn't find out
Totally haven't been proven wrong though, nope!

>>936043271
There is literally only one post that is "it's wrong". The rest is simply pointing out your retardation, either about "women don't have lust lol" or about your complete failure of understanding the definition of cheating.

>>936043361
Would be a reasonable response if there is an expectation in your relationship that neither of you poop.

>>936043491
You are actually cognitively impaired and I feel bad for you. I never said it is cheating. It’s not cheating if it is emotionless. Emotionless sex with a hooker is not cheating. An affair with emotions involved? Yes, that is cheating and I am 100% against it. But if it is purely physical and transactional, it is not cheating. I can’t be more clear about that

I never said relationships are about honesty. I said in healthy relationships, you are about 95% honest with the other person. White lies are fine to keep the peace. 100% honesty is full transparency and that is not good for relationships. Toddlers are 100% honest and blurt out whatever is on their minds. That’s not sustainable.

Is this actually hard to understand for you?

>>936043643
Cheating is breaking a rule. If the rule is that you do not have sex with other women, you are cheating. Emotions, transactions, everything else you say is cope. You're the one with a cognitive impairment here.
I don't give a fuck if you lie to your wife. Bang hookers to your hearts content. Just stop being such a fucking retard about it and trying to justify it on a mongolian basket weaving forum.

>>936043643
>I didn't say the word "cheating" I only admitted that it's deceit, dishonest, and my wife can't find out because she'll be mad at me for cheating
>but it's not cheating because uhhh emotions and stuff
Lmfao

>>936039096
You'd be amazed how many sex workers enjoy their jobs.

>>936042133
Trust me, I've known a lot of women who like sexual variety. The worst people are those who assume their own personal tastes are somehow morally right.

>>936034158 (OP)
I fuck so many hookers when I'm out of town on business, it isn't even funny.
My wife has zero idea that I'm fucking all these hookers, but when I'm out of town I want to relax with some strange pussy, and hookers do the trick.
And no, it isn't "cheating" since I never see the same hooker twice, it's just a glorified fleshlight that self-delivers.
One of the greatest feelings is to have your wife suck on your cock that was just raw dog in some hooker pussy 12 hours ago. Stand there and smile at wifey while she gobbles it up.

>>936044746
Exactly the same with me.

>>936044890
Where do you travel, friendo?

Kinda funny reading all of this, makes me wonder if my husband ever sneaked to do something like this.
Can't be too mad though because I've cheated plenty of times on him but... happy wife happy life, right?
>>936044746
I love giving head to my man after banging someone while he's at work, gives a very special feeling :). Imagine you smiling because you were fucking some prostitute while I just got fucked by a random tinder date... That'd be wild lol

>>936044953
Literally all over the world. The only continent where I don't fuck where's is Africa - risk of HIV.

>>936034158 (OP)
fully agree with you

>>936045254
Asia is my personal playground.
Amazing Thai women + Pajeets when I'm in India.
The pajeet girls are exceptional if you get them from Punjab - they have caucasian features but that light brown skin.

>>936043975
Holy fuck you people are dense. I said it was dishonest. I said 95% honesty and 5% dishonesty is acceptable in a sustainable relationship

>>936044521
Again, I’m not saying zero women crave sexual novelty. I’m saying about 90% don’t and 10% do. 90% of men do, 10% don’t. An exception does not disprove the general trend

>>936044746
Based. Sex with a hooker is masturbation, not cheating. It’s not even in the same category as sex with someone you love

>>936045096
Male hands wrote this.
Go give your bf another blowie, homo.

>>936045464
>Sex with a hooker is masturbation, not cheating. It’s not even in the same category as sex with someone you love
It is stress relief for a man.
It is entertainment for a man.
It means nothing more than that.

>>936034158 (OP)
It’s not cheating
I agree with you

>>936034158 (OP)
that's up to your wife / gf to decide bruh. if they think you fucking a hooker is cheating than it is cheating.

*mic drop

/thread

>>936043361
Again I see the logic you are using and I still have to disagree. I don't think cheating necessarily has to involve an emotional component at all. Cheating is the satisfaction of any physical or emotional drive or desire with someone other than your partner, who is assumed to be or clearly defined as the person who you have agreed to go to for that satisfaction. It's less about the specific act, be it physical or emotional, than it is about simply breaking a promise, agreement, or understanding.

For example, if my wife was constantly going to another man for assistance to solve tangible, physical problems that she knows I have the time, knowledge, or skill to solve... I'd consider that a sort of cheating. That's part of what I'm here for, part of the whole point. If I felt like she was hiding that from me and didn't want to rely on me... that would hurt. Of course I'm not a total idiot, so I'm not going to throw it in her face and say it is the same as fucking other people. But it's still a violation of the nature of the relationship for me and something I would really want her to understand.

>>936045601
>that's up to your wife / gf to decide bruh.
No it’s not

>>936045613
Okay fair enough. I think it has to involve emotion since sex isn’t really a big deal. If you just look at sex like a normal biological function and nothing special, then it’s not cheating. But if you don’t, it is cheating. This is the first high IQ dissent I’ve read in this thread well done

>>936045525
It's stress relief for anyone really? You think women want to be fucked the same way by the same guy forever and that it's just about feels? A lot of it is about the rush, passion, and excitement. If you think you can keep that up for 10 years good for you you're one of the good ones I guess but reality usually doesn't play out like that.

>>936045484
I don't care what you think go blow your load in a BBC thread or go see a hooker lol

>>936042009
it's almost like men and women are not the same

>>936045857
Women famously never cheat, true

>>936034158 (OP)
So if your wife took money to fuck me then neither of us cheated?

>>936045439
One of the best whores i ever had was Indian, in Singapore. So petite. Walked round the hotel suite with her wrapped around me impaled on me.

>>936046032
My gf has done sexual stuff for money. I find the idea hot tbh

>>936049283
Disgusting

>>936045932
It’s different for women. A man can walk into a bar and want to fuck the first moderately attractive woman he sees. A woman would never do that. She might want to fuck the top guy there, but it’s about status rather than availability.

>>936045799
You’re right. But for women it’s usually about romance. That’s the difference. Women cheat up, men cheat up, down, and across. For men, it’s about novelty. For women, it’s about status. All of this is obvious

>>936045601
What if my wife considers jerking it to her sister’s bikini pics cheating? Doesn’t mean I won’t do it. I won’t tell her or brag about it. It’s harmless, why rock the boat unnecessarily?

>>936045857
I don’t know why this is so hard for the midwit brain to comprehend. Are there some women with a high sex drive who want lots of men and some men with a low sex drive satisfied with one woman forever? Sure. But OP is speaking in general

>>936045599
If hookers are cheating, so are sex dolls

>>936050044
This. I hate the “muh honesty” arguments. Every couple keeps some secrets and has a healthy amount of privacy and autonomy. You should strive to be honest with your partner, but a few lies here and there to keep the peace is expected

>>936043491

>>936044746
I mean either I jack off in my hotel room or I use someone else’s body to masturbate. Either way it is an anonymous orgasm. I can’t understand why plebs think it is cheating. It’s not like she’s going to move in with you after. I’ve never done hookers but I’ve had a one night stand while in a relationship. I never even think about it, I don’t even remember her name

I'm used to chink message girls. But how do I book hookers?

>>936034158 (OP)
I don’t really give a fuck. What my wife doesn’t know won’t hurt her.

>>936035728
Fucking hookers is not cheating in the same way that having an ongoing emotional/sexual relationship with someone else is. The first is just nasty. The second is a huge betrayal.

And if you're paying a hooker to have an ongoing emotional/sexual relationship you're a major loser.

llll---ROLL---lll

>>936041974
I wouldn't care if my wife occasionally saw a prostitute. Why would I?

>>936049976
Who are you to call my girlfriend disgusting?

my wife won't do anal or blow me, but she'd be mad as hell if it found someone that would. what's up with that? I didn't want any pets but we have two cats.

>>936051728
In the US, there are plenty of them online. Many hot girls you see on Instagram are legit escorts getting railed by some rich 70 year old. They’re really not that expensive. Or you can go abroad, it’s legal in most of Europe, Asia, and Latin America

>>936052061
Seeing a hooker now and again isn’t nasty. Having an ongoing relationship is awful and unforgivable. But a random skank here or there is fine

>>936052427
I have an ongoing loving relationship with another woman not my wife but we don't have sex. Where's your god now?

>>936052493
That’s weird why don’t you two have sex?

>>936034158 (OP)
Don't forget this line of logic when you find out your girlfriend or wife is having her throat resized by a ripped and hung nigger. Surely you'll feel the same then because he's a prostitute and she doesn't love him.

>>936052778
Because I'm married.

>>936034158 (OP)
How the hell do find them?

>>936052939
If she only saw him once, and didn't see hookers more than a few times a year, why would I care? If its a relationship that's different.

>>936053107
Do your due diligence.
usasexguide.nl

>>936052939
How many times do I have to say this: Men and women are different

>>936053107
Go to your local Asian massage parlor. The ones near me always have some hotties

>>936053900
I hear the Asian mama sans are ugly

>>936034158 (OP)
0-4 please

>>936054765
DAMN. Whatever, still getting some today

>>936034158 (OP)
Rollin for that hooha

>>936054276
You get what you pay for, this one for example charges $100 per hour plus extras.

>>936053424
You can say it as many times as you want but it's still retarded. I've had lots of one night stands and plenty of girls had boyfriends (or husbands) and didn't give a fuck, they just wanted a wild night.
I got a few mates who make it a sport to fuck cougars: They literally get paid to fly out and spend a weekend in a hotelroom with some 50yo wife who wants a boytoy. Not my thing but good for them.
And even if they wanted "romance" what does that change here? By your logic if they would pay for romance that's cool but if it's feelings then it's not?
According to google around 20% of men cheat, 13% of women do. That is a bit more on the male side but not nearly as big of a difference as you'd like to believe I think.

My gf said I could get a happy ending massage since she doesn’t see Asian people as equals

>>936034158 (OP)
if you're fucking another person's holes, whether you paid or not, regardless of sex or gender, then you're cheating nigga. it's. that. simple. if you don't want to cheat the find a bitch who doesn't care.

>>936034158 (OP)
Apart from the obvious moral objections, the practical problem is monogamy is also meant to keep the family disease free. No matter how much protection you use you are putting the family at risk doing this kind of nonsense.

>>936034158 (OP)
>Roll