Liberals: He's starting WW3!
Reality: Actually stops the war.

>>936178003 (OP)
Reality--You suck Trump's cock

See you next month for when Israel tells him Iran is making nukes again

>>936178003 (OP)
>starts war
>ends war
"He DeSerVEs A PiEcE PriZe"

He stopped the Ukraine/Russia war? Oh. Day 1?! Oh.

It reminds me of the time when I lit my living room couch on fire and then put it out. The newspapers called me a hero!

Get a fucking life. Trump does everything to get attention from fags like you.

it was her turn

it was also her turn

>>936178003 (OP)
why does this feel so familiar?

>>936178476
Nobody thought this way about her.

>>936178003 (OP)
Why doesn't Iran know they agreed to a cease-fire?

Is Trump lying again?
Yes, most likely he is just lying.
again.

>>936178003 (OP)
I don't understand the screeching about WW3, especially with Iran, they don't have the resources to really invade anyone, no one is going to invade them, and no one is really coming to help them either
and no one in the world benefits from them having nukes, so it's in everyone's interest if they don't get them

>>936179199
No one in the world benefits from anyone having nukes, so it's in everyone's interest to get rid of them.

>>936179199
The generation that grew up after 9/11 and Iraq is now on the internet. They’re too young to know about the Cold War or even how often America bombed Iraq thru the 90s. I dunno if they’re teaching those things in school but even if they are the kids aren’t paying attention because they’re too busy making TikTok’s about how school doesn’t try to teach them anything

>>936178185

Israel started it, dick swallowing fucktard moron

You don't care though

>>936179531
With approval of DJT, allegedly.

>>936179240
>No one in the world benefits from anyone having nukes,
the US benefits from the US having nukes
Iran has explicitly and openly said they want to destroy other countries, including the US
and it's much more difficult to take them away after someone already has them, it's better to stop them before they get them, not wait until they do

>>936178003 (OP)
>US bombs Iranian bases
>Iran bombs US base
>Trump capitulates
TACO does it again!

>>936178039
>>936178061
>>936178185
>>936178262

TOP FUVKING LEL....
All you asshurt, faggot, troon, lib, retards on suicide watch!
My fucking sides/!!!

>>936179817
>Trump capitulates
huh?

^^ the cope is real

>>936179877
It's a big word, I know. It means surrender.

>>936179775
anyone *else*
sorry

>>936179922
I know what it means, Trump didn't surrender anything, what are you talking about?

A ceasefire that neither country admits to.

>>936179970
I'm in the US, so I care about what benefits the US
and Iran having nuclear weapons isn't good for the US, or the rest of the world

he is lying

>>936178476
>>936178431
No bitches.

>>936180021
>Iran having nuclear weapons isn't good for the US
It's not really that bad for the US, no more than NK, Israel, Pakistan, Russia, China or India

>>936179992
>he didn't surrender, he just gave up
lel

>>936180021
The US having nukes is good for the US, Russia having nukes is good for Russia, Israel having nukes is good for Israel, Iran having nukes is good for Iran, etc.

In the end though Iran had given up its nuclear program until Trump threw out the JCPOA and put sanctions on them for following the rules. All of what has happened here is Trump's fault.

>>936178003 (OP)
whoops, looks ceasefire might be off now.

>>936180091
Nobody is allowed to have new nukes.

>>936180169
Says who? Israel?

>>936180169
And no one with nukes is allowed to stop others from having them. It's called as double standard and is where logic goes to die.

>>936180189
The Nuclear nonproliferation treaty.

>>936180221
Too bad. The nuclear arms race was beyond stupid.

>>936180189
Cool it with the antisemitism, junior

>>936180240
Weird how both Israel and North Korea got nukes and didn't sign it.

>>936180143
> All of what has happened here is Trump's fault.
top kek, faggot
O'fagget and Biden giving Iran BILLIONS had no repercussions whatsoever, m'kay.
yeah, no

>>936180284
Over 100 countries have to agree to let another country have nukes. They certainly did not for Iran.

>>936180276
It's actually allowed for the most peaceful era in documented human history, but that's beyond the point. No one is above or below the law. Either all parties have a right to weapons to defend themselves or none do.

>>936180091
>It's not really that bad for the US
none of those other countries have openly called for other nations to be destroyed like Iran has
and even if they didn't immediately have the ability to fire directly at the US they still could eventually, and we also have bases and allies all around the world that they could hit as well
it's in no one's interest for Iran to have nukes, and we will do whatever we can to make sure they don't, just like we've been doing for the last 20 years

>>936178003 (OP)
Trump lied, again

>>936180326
>O'fagget and Biden giving Iran BILLIONS
Why the fuck did they do that? Iran is a poster child bad guy country. Were they trying to pay them to be good or something? WTF?

>>936180143
the other countries are smart enough not to use them
Iran is run by religious nutjobs that are very vocal and open about wanting to kill their enemies, why would anyone trust them to have nuclear weapons? are you insane?

>>936180385
>>none of those other countries have openly called for other nations to be destroyed like Iran has
why are you lying so much?

>>936180378
That's very debatable.

>>936180189
says the US

>>936180435
how is that at lie? they've said it, repeatedly, it's on video, it is their stated goal, it's not a secret

>>936180443
oh, so that whole thing about the US not being the world police, was a lie?

>>936178003 (OP)
>accidentally calling trump an israeli
kek

>>936180458
North Korea, hasn't called for the destruction of another country? Paki/India haven't? Russia hasn't? China hasn't?

>>936180461
what lie? the US is the world police whether anyone likes it or not, and some prefer it that way

>>936180326
Under the JCPOA Iran gave up nuclear proliferation. Trump got rid of the JCPOA and sanctioned Iran which showed the Iranian leadership they would be punished whether or not they developed weapons to defend themselves. Obviously they took the former option. Trump is the responsible party here, along with the neocons and Israeli far right who pushed him to his actions.

>>936180539
I seem to remember a bunch of MAGA running around here saying that we don't want to be the world police anymore.

>>936180509
are you asking? or do you have actual proof of them explicitly stating it? because Iran has
and in the case of NK, they know if they so much as twitch the entire world will obliterate them, they are tolerated

>>936180575
>are you asking?
I asking if you think they haven't, because they all have, which makes your point moot.
>and in the case of NK
Even further making my case

>>936180628
>because they all have
oh really? I'd love to see direct quotes of Russia or China calling for the destruction of entire nations, surely you have them
>Even further making my case
you really think anyone takes NK seriously?

>>936180568
We shouldn't have to be. And we shouldn't be engaging in or funding profitable meat grinders like the slog of Iraq/Afghanistan or Russia/Ukraine.

>>936180407
>Why the fuck did they do that? Iran is a poster child bad guy country. Were they trying to pay them to be good or something? WTF?
Obama's nuclear "deal" with Iran was absolutely disastrous. Then, these faggots paid BILLIONS to Iran as ransom for four Americans, which, inevitably, puts Americans at an even greater fucking risk, paying ransom to kidapppers. Also, to top it all off, Obama/Biden paid those fucking billions to Iran, which of course went directly to fund terror groups against us, 100% with OUR fucking taxpayers money from the :"Judgement Fund". Don't worry about trying to find this via legacy media. All these fucking faggots

>>936180426
Words mean nothing, only actions matter. The fact that Iran has engaged in proxy wars with Israel and the US shows that they know they can't win a conventional war let alone a nuclear war. The fact that they have only directly attacked Israel after Israel attacked them first, only done so proportionately, and stopped after Israel's attacks further reaffirms this. The fact that the USSR, China, and even North Korea have never used nukes show that even dictators understand the principal of MAD. The fact that only the US has ever used nuclear weapons against human beings and only the US, the USSR, and Israel have at one or more points had nuclear weapons ready to use in combat shows that it is actually developed nations that are more untrustworthy with nuclear power than developing countries.

There is neocon fearmongering propaganda, and there is the evidence of history, politics, military strategy, and common sense. The leaders of Iran are far right fundamentalist pieces of shit, but they are no less trustworthy with nuclear weapons than every other nuclear state as every other nuclear state has a history of military aggression, human rights violations, or both.

>>936180568
>saying that we don't want to be
the fuck does that have to do with anything?
I don't want to pay my taxes, but I have to anyway whether I like it or not
what you want reality to be doesn't change what it actually is

>>936180710
>direct quotes of Russia
I mean I can get a quote about Ukraine, if that's what you want? Give me a couple on china, but why did you skip India and Pakistan too?
>you really think anyone takes NK seriously?
yet they have nukes, and threatened to destroy another country.

>>936181193
>the fuck does that have to do with anything?
I mean it's an example of how MAGA seems to backtrack on shit.

>>936178003 (OP)
>Israel starts the war
>USA escalates the war
>Iran ends the war
Fixed.

>>936181227
it's not a lie, it's not a backtrack either
I don't want us to be the world police, I don't want my taxdollars to go to Israel, but here we are, and neither of those are likely to change in my lifetime

>>936180857
>Then, these faggots paid BILLIONS
no they didnt
they just unfroze some of Irans OWN FUCKING ASSETS

>>936178003 (OP)
>>936178431
>>936178476
>>936179531


except iran has already denied there is any ceasefire in place https://www.tribuneindia.com/news/top-headlines/iran-denies-ceasefire-deal-after-trump-announces-truce-with-israel

youre too stupid to realize that anyway

>>936181299
It is a backtrack, because we're going right back into it. While you, specifically didn't make the call to do it, if you voted MAGA, you voted for people that did make that call, and as long as you continue doing that, of course it won't change.

>>936181392
if you don't like it, vote for candidates that offer something different
good luck finding one

>>936181448
>good luck finding one
There are plenty of them

>>936180710
China I guess didn't with destruction, but will "firmly crush 'Taiwan independence' attempts of all forms,"

>>936181365
Iran denied it, Israel didn't even comment on it, and they're continuing to fire on each other. I wonder who Trump and his people talked to. MidEastGPT?

>>936181522
probably the delivery guy from the local indian restaurant

>>936181504
They've also tried to seize territory from India by force, fought with Vietnam, made aggressive claims that affect around a half dozen South Asian countries, propped up the North Korean regime that threatens South Korea/Japan/America, and engaged in massive human rights abuses against their own population and the occupied Tibetan and Xinjiang regions.

>>936181672
yes, but it's also okay for them to have nukes... apparently

>>936178003 (OP)
>liberals
it's literally everyone besides the zionist lobby

>>936181504
wanting to have a separate nation become part of yours is very different than calling for the death and destruction of it and all of its people
Iran openly calls for the death of other nations that oppose its views on the world, because it's run by insane religious fundamentalists that fund terrorists

>>936181711
And neocons/neolibs. They'll blow up anything to keep defense contracts in their constituencies.

>>936178003 (OP)
More like,
>attack Iran directly because Israel told you to
>Iran actually strikes back by hitting American bases in neighboring countries
>???
>suddenly call for a ceasefire
This is even funnier than when the DPRK shut him up the first time.

>>936181197
>yet they have nukes, and threatened to destroy another country.
realistically we should have prevented NK from getting them as well, but they aren't stupid enough to use them, because they know the instant they do there are multiple countries that will remove them from the map
Iran would like nothing more than to kill their enemies with it, they've told us as much, why would we ever want them to get their hands on nuclear weapons?

>>936181751
>wanting to have a separate nation become part of yours is very different than calling for the death and destruction of it and all of its people
oh do, tell me more

>>936181751
Refer to
>>936180950
Words mean nothing. Criminality, brutality, oppression- these actually exist and are practiced by all nuclear armed nations. Yet none of these countries actually use their nuclear weapons because nuclear weapons are only used now as a deterrent.

>>936181810
>because they know the instant they do there are multiple countries that will remove them from the map
So how would that be any different than if Iran launched them?

>>936181810
North Korea threatens its enemies all the time and doesn't even have a partial democracy to keep it in check. If you think North Korea is even the same as Iran let alone more trustworthy you are genuinely ignorant. Stop falling for everything fundies and neocons say.

>>936181354
Did you read ANY of my fucking text?
They used a specific fund, the "JUDGEMENT FUND", which is paid for, 100% funded by US taxpayers. Get your ass out of the legacy media's cunt, cunt.

>>936181464
is that why the US has been supporting Israel the last 50+ years?

>>936181853
imagine if you had just kept reading before jumping to reply

>>936181812
There was also a Israeli politician who threatened to use nukes on Gaza, although in fairness he was suspended.

>>936181853
It wouldn't. Iran doesn't even have the balls to fight Israel directly, so the idea that they would nuke two countries with a combined total of over two thousand nuclear weapons makes absolutely no sense.

>>936179199
>I don't understand the screeching about WW3, especially with Iran, they don't have the resources to really invade anyone, no one is going to invade them, and no one is really coming to help them either

its a combo of things. Isreal and Gaza, Isreal and Iran, Ukraine and Russia. Trump being a wildcard, and a US led by incompetent, inexperienced idiots.
A week ago Trump was talking about dropping tactical nukes on Iran in order to destory underground bunkers. He's talking about annexing ally countries.

WW3 likely won't be a ground war. They'll be no boots on the ground invasion between superpowers. It will start with proxy wars, like we're experiencing now, and it will end with countries throwing nukes at each other until everyone dead.

>>936181924
What is that shit about einstein and insanity?

>>936179240
which is why we are stopping Iran from getting nukes

>>936181950
I read the rest, my point being is that none of that matters anon. You don't know if KJU, or even any leader, would just flip his shit one day, have a bunch of loyalist surrounding them and just launch one.

>>936182046
Little to late to tell someone else, "you can't do that" isn't it?

>>936181976
>A week ago Trump was talking about dropping tactical nukes on Iran in order to destory underground bunkers. He's talking about annexing ally countries.
You understand this is how he works right? He just says the most insane shit to keep everyone on their toes.
Unless you're in the room with him and can report directly what he is saying to me, idgaf.

>>936182091
wdym? Iran can't have nukes. Simple as.

>>936182091
>>936182130
In fact it's not too late. it would be too late if Iran has detonated a test bomb to demonstrate they have a nuke.

>>936182130
It makes no sense anon. If countries are constrained by MAAD, why would Iran be any different? You can sit there and claim it's hate of someone else, but then Norks and Israel shouldn't have nukes.

>>936181893
>If you think North Korea is even the same as Iran
at no point did I say they were
and I trust them to be more aware and cautious of being obliterated, as they aren't run by religious fundamentalists. they like to just say dumb shit and overexaggerate things like Trump does, only they don't have the resources to be a real problem, and are also smart enough not to step out of line. China would likely be the first to take them out if they stepped over the line
Iran is a whole different level, these are people who mean what they say, they actually fund terrorists and suicide bombers to kill their enemies, they're willing to die for their stated cause, them having nukes isn't good for anyone

>>936182163
I mean in a figurative sense of too late. If you keep doing this thing of "we can have nukes, but you cannot, but also we want you to tell us all of the stuff you have" it only will make countries that want to have nukes, produce it without saying shit. Which only will make countries want to have nukes now, because the past few years have shown, a country gets fucked with less, if it has those fatties in the name of self defense.

>>936182292
MAD works when all counties involved are rational. Is Iran rational? idk.
But even if they are, are they competent enough to keep their nukes secured? They're not gonna have some radical commander smuggle one to a terror group?
And even if nothing like that happens, then this is another nuclear power we have to deal with.
If Russia didn't have nukes that whole Ukraine situation would be over very quickly. It would be annoying to have to deal with a nuclear Iran.

>>936181910
The Obama administration made a payment of $1.7 billion to Iran in 2016, which included $400 million in principal from a pre-1979 trust fund related to a failed arms deal, and $1.3 billion in interest paid from the Judgment Fund, a U.S. Treasury account used for settling legal claims.

it was their money laying an an account gaining interest ,some money was paid by the Taxpayer because it was a LEGAL issue and the Americans were in the wrong

>>936182292
>why would Iran be any different?
so you don't know anything about Iran or its leaders then?

>>936178003 (OP)
Isreal was planning a cease fire already
Has USA smash nuclear facilities
Show of force
Isreal gives Trump credit for cease fire
Wingman of the decade award
Iran gets to throw a few easy interceptions our way
Saves face in their country, rattles sabers
Liberals look stupid as always
Everyone wins

Did I miss anything?

>>936182534
Can you guarantee to me right now, that at this very moment, every fireball holder is rational at this moment and will be at all future moments, same for their security of warheads?
> then this is another nuclear power we have to deal with.
Why would that be a problem?
> It would be annoying to have to deal with a nuclear Iran.
So it's really just about obedience?

>>936181910
The Judgement Fund was used to repay money Iran gave to the US in the 1970s for an arms deal that fell apart after the 1979 Revolution. Basically Iran bought something from the US, they backed out and never received what they paid for, and the US agreed to give them their money back. The Obama administration itself acknowledged the deal helped with the hostage deal, but the 1.7 billion that was actually paid purely covered the initial deal and interest. Furthermore, previous administrations had used the Judgement Funds in similar ways, including a payment made to Iran in 1991 under George H. W. Bush.

None of this had to do with the JCPOA which involved the unfreezing of around 100 billion in sanctioned Iranian money, not American money whether from taxpayers or otherwise.

>>936182601
Do you?

>>936182825
I do, which is why I don't want them to have any nukes

>>936182779
>Can you guarantee to me right now, that at this very moment, every fireball holder is rational at this moment and will be at all future moments, same for their security of warheads?
I can't do that. This is an argument for de-nukeing, and while we're at it, let's make sure no one else gets nukes
>Why would that be a problem?
Cause then we'd have to put up with their shit. Plus you have countries like Saudi Arabia saying they'd pursue nuclear development if Iran has a nuke. A nuclear arms race in the middle east isn't something we need.
>So it's really just about obedience?
YES!!

>>936182342
You said that at least North Korea understood MAD and then criticized Iran's leadership which implied that Iran was less trustworthy than North Korea in regards to nuclear possession. In reality, the facts say otherwise. North Korea is run as a quasi-religious cult of personality, they repeatedly state both their desire to destroy other countries and their belief that they could survive such a conflict, they do not have even a partial democracy or a active political resistance, and they did not agree to a deal with their adversaries to abandon nuclear proliferation like Iran did in 2015.

Your entire argument that Iran is uniquely irrational because of their religious views is not factually supportable. History, geopolitics, military strategy, and basic reasoning prove your worldview to be nothing but bunk.

>>936182590
You need to fully educate yourself on the aforementioned fuckery. Did you even happen to know that there's ~ $60 billion in outstanding terrorism lawsuit judgments and associated judgment liens (legal claims on property to satisfy a debt) awarded to individuals in US courts against Iran? Our (US) courts have awarded additional billion-dollar judgments, including $6 billion in 2018 in a case related to Iranian support of al-Qaeda. You think all is copacetic with regard to paying these faggots 100% with our tax proceeds, for them to allocate that largely funneled to terror groups to act on their behalf? That shit (those billions) didn't go to humanitarian efforts, faggot. Quit listening to CNN

>>936183115
>You said that at least North Korea understood MAD and then criticized Iran's leadership which implied that Iran was less trustworthy than North Korea in regards to nuclear possession. In reality, the facts say otherwise. North Korea is run as a quasi-religious cult of personality, they repeatedly state both their desire to destroy other countries and their belief that they could survive such a conflict, they do not have even a partial democracy or a active political resistance, and they did not agree to a deal with their adversaries to abandon nuclear proliferation like Iran did in 2015.
>
>Your entire argument that Iran is uniquely irrational because of their religious views is not factually supportable. History, geopolitics, military strategy, and basic reasoning prove your worldview to be nothing but bunk.
none of this is an argument for why Iran should have nukes.

>>936183115
>Your entire argument that Iran is uniquely irrational
they're not uniquely irrational, but they are differently irrational and more dangerous
and it's easier to stop a dangerous nation from obtaining nukes than wait until they already have them
everyone in the world will be safer if they are prevented from obtaining them, it really is that simple
and there's no need or reason to bring up any other nation, the discussion boils down to "should Iran have nukes or not", and the answer is unequivocally no

>>936183193
Then argument is that either every nation should have the right to develop nuclear weapons to defend themselves or none should. If nuclear armed countries like the United States and Israel believe that countries should be prevented from developing nuclear weapons than they should offer up their own disarmament as part of the deal. "Rules for thee but not for me" is the foundation of tyranny and unacceptable.

>>936183004
>This is an argument for de-nukeing
Which will never happen, because it's shown to give you power and self-determination as a country.
>Cause then we'd have to put up with their shit.
I thought we already are having to
>YES!!
So what you really want is to keep the hegemony going, and just let other countries have the illusion of freedom or the knowledge of none?

>>936183279
It's a matter of hypocrisy. That's the issue.

>>936183332
The NPT was always a colonial construction which is why India rejected it.

>>936183335
>ha, I got you to contradict yourself, that means Iran should be allowed to have nukes! I got you!
I don't give a shit, that's not how the world works, Iran shouldn't have nukes, and you're not going to somehow convince me that they should

>>936183426
Well, I'm a liberal and a egalitarian and you're not. I'm not going to convince Nazis not to kill Jews either but I'm still going to speak from a point of facts and freedom.

>>936183188
>You need to fully educate yourself on the aforementioned fuckery.
You mean you want me to go down some right wing conspiratorial rabbit hole where i cease to believe anything unless it's tweeted about by some fringe "journalist" I follow
No thanks I'd rather keep my sanity somewhat.

>>936183309
>Then argument is that either every nation should have the right to develop nuclear weapons to defend themselves or none should.
But why should a nuclear country allow a non-nuclear country to develop nukes?
>If nuclear armed countries like the United States and Israel believe that countries should be prevented from developing nuclear weapons than they should offer up their own disarmament as part of the deal.
Maybe one day. But not with Iran.
>"Rules for thee but not for me" is the foundation of tyranny and unacceptable.
We're talking about whole ass countries here. It's the rule of the jungle on the world stage.

>>936183450
>I'm a liberal and a egalitarian
that explains everything

>>936183332
>I thought we already are having to
you understand it would be worse if they had nukes, right?
>So what you really want is to keep the hegemony going, and just let other countries have the illusion of freedom or the knowledge of none?
no, I want to decrease the likelihood of a nuclear incident. plenty of countries are free and happy without nukes

>>936183417
of course, it seems almost like they want people to do it covertly. I'm sure a bunch of the world will see this shit going on and start wanting to make some.

>>936183478
>But why should a nuclear country allow a non-nuclear country to develop nukes?
Why should white people allow black people to vote? Some people have the belief that laws must be applied equally or they are not just laws.
>We're talking about whole ass countries here. It's the rule of the jungle on the world stage.
Countries are the ones that develop nuclear weapons and maintain militaries. If developed countries are allowed to have weapons that prevent foreign invasion and regime change and developing countries are not, that is a form a geopolitical tyranny ie imperialism and colonialism.

>>936178003 (OP)
noo! hurr durrr i thought trump said no new wars but he nuked iran hurrr durr no! you have to genocide americans and genocide the browns and muslims even though i hate the united states because the us deserved 9/11 and i hate trump and i support isis and alqueda because us deserved 9/11 and i hate the us for killing all the browns reeeee we need to go to war with iran noww we need to genocide americans now we need to genocide browns muslims now even though im a gay tranny faggot that dilates for palestine even though palestine iran kills gays and trans and we need to go war because i said so adolf hitler said send the jews to auschwitz because i said so and i hate hitler. listen to meeeeeeeee me me me im gaaayyyyy im blackk im trans im atheist listen to meee trump is stupid trump loves the uneducated democrats are the party of the educated and my educated opinion is we need to go to war with iran because trump bombed iran stupid magats fell for it again hurrr durrr i thought trump said no new wars

>using a bunker buster bomb to destroy irans nuclear capabilities means we need to do iraq part 2 means that HURR DURR I THOUGHT NO NEW WARS NEW WARS IS WHEN STOPPING IRAN FROM HAVING NUKES
>lol my sides

>>936183332
>and just let other countries have the illusion of freedom or the knowledge of none?
how does having more countries in the world with access to nuclear weapons, especially those that have called for the death and destruction of their enemies, somehow result in more freedom for everyone?

>>936183450
There are no liberals anymore. Just cringe strutting leftists spewing IDpol for the last decade.

>>936183522
>you understand it would be worse if they had nukes, right?
Not really, because you know what you do when 2 foreign nuclear powers are fighting? you fuck right off.
>no
you should fuck right off with that lie.
>plenty of countries are free and happy without nukes
How many of those countries are puppet states or have been caught trying to make some?

>>936183583
>somehow result in more freedom for everyone?
Because homie, right now there are I think 9 known countries with nukes. They are the ones that sit around and tell people that for their safety, they cannot have nukes. It becomes an infraction upon a countries right to determine what is the best strategy for their people.

>>936183581
holy fuck this faggot ass spam detection bullshit wont let me """"spam""" the phrase HURR DURR HURR DURR
reread this entire thing but constantly spam that capitalized phrase alllll across the entire thing because the entiiiiiire thing and entiiiiire logic is that phrase. picrel is the image of what the retarded leftists look like when that phrase and when they use that """logic"""

>>936183655
country's*

>>936183545
Iraq and Libya were the beginning. To be clear I don't mourn Hussein or Gaddafi at all, but the facts are still that they either gave up or failed to develop nuclear weapons and foreign powers then came in and took them out. But I think Ukraine was the turning point- if they hadn't given up their weapons in the 1995 agreement their would have obviously been no Russian invasion and I think a lot of lesser power countries saw that. Perhaps that even explains Iran recently increasing their enrichment despite Trump tearing up the JCPOA all the way back in 2018.

Taiwan would be smart to go nuclear as soon as possible.

>>936183583
Like don't get me wrong, it's generally in the countries that have nukes best interest to not let anyone else get some, but that's because of the political power that would diminish.

>>936183655
you didn't actually argue the point
how does it result in more freedom if there are more possible nuclear threats? that makes zero sense

>>936183763
>how does it result in more freedom if there are more possible nuclear threats?
It results in every country being able to determine what is in the best interest of their people. Would Israel be striking Iran, first, like they did right now if Iran had a nuke?

In the Cult of Trump, the facts realign themselves as many times as they need to. When Iran's government bombs Israel during the ceasefire, Trumpers will still claim this moment as a win for their team.

Project 2025 Nazi Concentration Camps and ADDITIONAL criminal charges when President Donald Trump arrests his political enemies into camps for EVERY single instance of libtards going HURR DURR HURR DURR I THOUGHT NO NEW WARS
HURR DURR WAR NOW!! WE ARE DEMOCRATS WE ARE THE PARTY OF PRO WAR PRO GENOCIDE!!! WE ARE PARTY OF ANTI RACISM. KILL THE BROWNS KILL THE MUSLIMS war with iran now!!

>>936183840
>being this mad the ceasefire failed
no nobel prize4u

>>936183477
It’s not about falling down a conspiratorial rabbit hole or blindly trusting fringe voices. It’s about acknowledging that most ALL legacy media outlets are DNC shills, and that recognizing bias, doesn’t make someone crazy or unhinged. There’s a huge space between parroting cable news talking points and going full tinfoil. Learn how to critically think on your own, anon, That’s not losing sanity... that’s refusing to outsource it

>>936178003 (OP)
announcing on social media doesn't mean it's true

>>936183800
>It results in every country being able to determine what is in the best interest of their people.
I don't care about that, that's not a goal of mine, I care about what's in the best interest of my country, and it's in the best interest of my country, our citizens, and its allies if as few as possible countries have access to nuclear weapons
under what premise should I want my enemies to have more tools to destroy me? how does that make sense?

>>936178003 (OP)
>>936179531

reality:he got netanyahu to start for no reason. Then escalated with american bombs and missiles for 0 reason. then ended it.
nice

>>936183959
It's also in your best interest to kill everyone who gets in your way. But their are tricky laws that say people can't always put their own interests above all others. And international laws do the same.

Nukes need to rot in their silos until they no longer function, which may already be the case. We're never going to use them. We don't even carpet bomb civilians anymore. Modern forth gen warfare is precise and the targets are military or militant. Something like a nuke would only ever be used by an extremist manlet of a country like Iran. Thus no bomb for them. Not the kind they want anyway.

>>936184003
>It's also in your best interest to kill everyone who gets in your way.
that's not necessarily true

>>936178003 (OP)
>start problems
>backtrack immediately once your jewstate gets an ouchie in their hospital
heres your retarded nigger award

>>936184064
Kill, rape, steal from, etc. Maybe you make common cause with some people but hurt others when it's easier or more profitable. You can justify almost any action under personal interest but it's not a widely accepted moral or legal argument.

>>936183959
>I don't care about that
Of course you don't, you want the hegemony.
>, I care about what's in the best interest of my country
I already talked about that >>936183737
>under what premise should I want my enemies to have more tools to destroy me?
What is to say that your current nuclear allies won't be your enemies? My point isn't to say that they should have nukes, but the ability to choose if they want to produce them. Like sure, if a nuclear power was using chemical weapons on their people, I can see the international community try to put a stop to it. But producing a nuclear weapon isn't really detrimental to the population of the country at large, other countries having nukes is, and as long as any other country has a nuke, it is in the countries best interest to get a nuke, or you will get blown up if you step out of line.

So what time was this thing supposed to go into effect?

>>936184143
ah whenever they really want to just stop

>>936183569
>Why should white people allow black people to vote? Some people have the belief that laws must be applied equally or they are not just laws.
Rights and laws have nothing to do with it. Iran is hostile to my country, therefore they cannot have nukes.
>If developed countries are allowed to have weapons that prevent foreign invasion and regime change and developing countries are not, that is a form a geopolitical tyranny ie imperialism and colonialism.
Don't care. I'm still not going to agree that a nation hostile to my nation should have nukes.

>>936184124
if someone announces their intent to kill you and those close to you, it's in your best interest to stop them from doing that
if you don't understand this line of reasoning I don't know what else to tell you
I have no idea what rape and theft have to do with this discussion or why you're trying to bring them up, you just seem overly upset that the world isn't ok with allowing religious fundamentalist terrorists to have access to nuclear weapons

>>936184218
>Rights and laws have nothing to do with it. Iran is hostile to my country, therefore they cannot have nukes.
Equality under law applies to both individuals and groups.
>Don't care. I'm still not going to agree that a nation hostile to my nation should have nukes.
And they probably don't want us to have nukes but we do.

>>936183594
>you fuck right off.
but it's better to say "lol we have nukes and you don't"
>How many of those countries are puppet states or have been caught trying to make some?
Irrelevant. Less people with nukes is better.

>>936184135
>My point isn't to say that they should have nukes, but the ability to choose if they want to produce them.
how is that a difference? if you give someone the choice to produce them, and they produce them, you've effectively allowing them to have them, which is not what we want
what are you even trying to argue?
>But producing a nuclear weapon isn't really detrimental to the population of the country at large
the fuck are you on about, it absolutely is, especially when it's a country that openly calls for the death and destruction of other nations and their citizens
no, no nukes for Iran, I'm sorry, and you're not going to convince me they should have any

>>936184294
>Less people with nukes is better.
I don't disagree, but as long as any country has a nuke, it will always be in a countries best interest to have one.

>>936184241
And if someone props up a dictator in your country for decades and starts an illegal war killing hundreds of thousands of people in your part of the world you probably are going to look for ways to defend yourself. There are no good guys in the Middle East and in the absence of good guys we must hold the bad guys to the same standards.

>>936184358
>we must hold the bad guys to the same standards.
and that standard is no nuclear weapons

>>936184333
>what are you even trying to argue?
I'm saying those countries don't actually have freedom, if they are prevented from producing something in their best interest and has no material harm on another country.
> it absolutely is
only due to another nuclear state attacking you, and only reinforcing the need for a nuclear weapon.

>>936184257
>Equality under law applies to both individuals and groups.
individuals don't have a right to own a nuke. we are talking about something on a different level. your racial argument about the vote doesn't apply
>And they probably don't want us to have nukes but we do.
I agree. You understand how they feel? Well that's how I feel. I don't want them having nukes.

>>936184395
Which would mean the United States, Israel, and seven other countries have to give up their nuclear weapons as well. Otherwise no other countries need to listen to their lecturing.

>>936184418
oops, not *another* nuclear state, a nuclear state

>>936184418
>and has no material harm on another country
but it does, a hostile country having nuclear weapons absolutely has material harm to other countries, the fuck are you talking about? do you not know what nuclear weapons are or what they are capable of?
>and only reinforcing the need for a nuclear weapon.
other countries that are hostile to mine an our allies does not benefit me, it's worse for everyone, no, you don't get nukes

>>936184346
>best interest
and it's in the best interest of the USA to prevent that.
that really is what it all comes down to. fairness or equality or some sense of cosmic justice need not apply.

>>936184421
>individuals don't have a right to own a nuke. we are talking about something on a different level.
Strawman fallacy; I never said otherwise. I said equality under law applies to both individuals and nations. That means individuals must be held to the same standards as other individuals and nations must be held to the same standards as other nations.
>I agree. You understand how they feel? Well that's how I feel. I don't want them having nukes.
Yet you think your feelings should be honored and not theirs. That's not how it works. Iran doesn't have the right to prevent the US from developing nukes and thus vice versa.

>>936184524
>absolutely has material harm
not until it is used
>it's worse for everyone
you and your allies are not everyone.

>>936184447
>Which would mean the United States, Israel, and seven other countries have to give up their nuclear weapons as well.
why? why would the US give up its nuclear weapons?
>Otherwise no other countries need to listen to their lecturing.
except they do, as we have the military and the nukes

>>936184536
Once again, not an argument. Someone's best interest can not cancel out someone else's.

>>936184569
I only care about my country and its allies, I don't care about protecting or arming our enemies, are you legitimately retarded?

>>936184536
whatever you need to justify slaving for Israel, slave kek
>their interests are mine
shemps

>>936184536
>that really is what it all comes down to.
I mean it isn't all it comes down to. It comes down to countries realizing that, excuse my mao here but, "Political power grows out of the barrel of a gun".

>>936184603
>I only care about my country and its allies
and so does every other country, which is my point

>>936184578
>why? why would the US give up its nuclear weapons?
I never said they should. I believe nuclear weapons protect a nation.
>except they do, as we have the military and the nukes
"Might makes right". Not a morally or legally accepted argument in any liberal society. I can't shoot you because I own a gun.

>>936184634
you don't have a point, you're trying to argue that our enemies should get nukes because it's only fair, which is stupid argument, that's not how the world works

>>936184657
>I believe nuclear weapons protect a nation.
it does, that's why we have them
>. Not a morally or legally accepted argument in any liberal society.
what morals? what laws? we have nukes and no ones going to take them away, cry about it
> I can't shoot you because I own a gun.
you think Iran will not use nuclear weapons because someone tells them they're not allowed? lmfao

>>936184681
I'm saying other countries don't have the right to self determination. I said I understand why you, living in a nuclear power country want no other country other than allies, to have nukes. The big lesson countries have learned recently is that to have other countries fuck off, you must have a nuke and to do that, you must not tell anyone you're making it

>>936184721
I believe that Iran will not use nuclear weapons because plenty of other ideological, aggressive, criminal regimes have not. My argument is based on history and common sense, not trust or ideology.

As for the rest of your argument we can have no common ground. You believe that people should be able to do whatever benefits them if they have the strength to do so, I believe that is fundamentally immoral.

>>936184737
>living in a nuclear power country want no other country other than allies,
why would a non-nuclear country want their enemies to obtain nuclear weapons? it doesn't matter if you have them or not, having hostile countries obtain them makes everyone less safe
>you must have a nuke and to do that, you must not tell anyone you're making it
no shit, that's why Iran keeps trying to make them, and we will continue to do everything we can to stop them

>>936184839
>why would a non-nuclear country want their enemies to obtain nuclear weapons? it doesn't matter if you have them or not, having hostile countries obtain them makes everyone less safe
Ukraine having nuclear weapons would have saved hundreds of thousands of Russian lives and prevented the Russian homeland from coming under increasing drone and missile attacks.

>>936184811
>I believe that Iran will not use nuclear weapons
because you're incredibly naive
>I believe that is fundamentally immoral
unfortunately for you, no one else is bound by your personal moral views, maybe one day when you're older you're realize this and understand why imposing your will to stop others who seek to kill you is necessary

>>936184561
>Yet you think your feelings should be honored and not theirs.
Well my side has the nukes, and the Massive Ordnance Penetrators, so...
>That's not how it works.
yes it is. look at the news
>Iran doesn't have the right to prevent the US from developing nukes and thus vice versa.
Rule of the jungle. We don't need the right.
>nations must be held to the same standards as other nations.
must they? if one nation refuses to cooperate, what is going to stop them?

>>936184839
>it doesn't matter if you have them or not
what the fuck are you talking about? It 100% does. Unless they wanted to start a nuclear war, Israel would not be attacking Iran right now, if Iran had a nuclear weapon. Which is why countries will want them, and I bet a couple are doing it already, and a few more now due to the US and Israel's actions.

>>936184884
>Ukraine having nuclear weapons would have saved hundreds of thousands of Russian lives
you know what else would have done that? Russia deciding not to invade Ukraine in the first place
>if you would have bought a shotgun, I wouldn't have had to rob your house, this is YOUR fault I robbed you

>>936184586
>Once again, not an argument. Someone's best interest can not cancel out someone else's.
So I'm supposed to let someone pursue their best interest if it's counter to mine? It's in the best interest of a conman for my grandma to give him 5k dollars.
>>936184613
uh, I think we agree? I thought that's what I was getting at

>>936184937
>Israel would not be attacking Iran right now, if Iran had a nuclear weapon
the only reason Israel is attacking Iran in the first place is because they're trying to build them, and the sites being attacked are military sites, and the enrichment facilities, not where civilians live
Iran has already shown they don't give a fuck, firing missiles directly into civilian populated are, there's no reason to think they wouldn't have fired a nuke right into one of Israel's major cities, are you actually retarded?

>>936184902
>because you're incredibly naive
I've given multiple points of evidence that support my views, you have repeatedly thrown out words like "crazy" and "fundamentalist" without taking into account the any of the counterpoints I've made.
>unfortunately for you, no one else is bound by your personal moral views, maybe one day when you're older you're realize this and understand why imposing your will to stop others who seek to kill you is necessary
But fortunately for me I live in a country that has a history of standing up to those who try to dominate others by force from monarchists to slaveholders to Nazis. And when Iran invades another country I will support doing to them what we did to Germany and Japan, but until then I will not support hypocritical and illegal violence against countries who seek to do the same thing my own does.

>>936184884
>Ukraine having nuclear weapons would have saved hundreds of thousands of Russian lives and prevented the Russian homeland from coming under increasing drone and missile attacks.
this all happened because Russia has nukes. Honestly USA should've invaded the Soviet Union in 1945.

>>936185002
>I thought that's what I was getting at
Either way, might makes right or the mao shit. except you're forgetting the part about other countries. For someone wanting other countries to not have these types of devices, your countries are the biggest selling point in why they are a necessity.

>>936185081
>might makes right
the sooner you learn that the better
if my enemies are trying to kill me, you bet your ass I'm going to kill them first, why would you expect otherwise?

>>936185066
>the only reason Israel is attacking Iran in the first place is because they're trying to build them
Because Israel wants the ability to kill Iranians without the chance of a nuclear war.

>>936185107
>why would you expect otherwise?
I'm saying it's extremely short sighted, and the repercussions are likely going to end up worse.

>>936184957
>you know what else would have done that? Russia deciding not to invade Ukraine in the first place
Yes, and a nuclear armed Ukraine would have prevented Russian invasion. That's my point. A nuclear armed adversary protects people from their own leaders imperialist ambitions.

>>936185002
>So I'm supposed to let someone pursue their best interest if it's counter to mine? It's in the best interest of a conman for my grandma to give him 5k dollars.
The best interest for everyone is to keep the money they're entitled to. The conman in this situation would be the United States that has its "money" but seeks to take away that of others.

>>936185113
>Because Israel wants the ability to kill Iranians without the chance of a nuclear war
that's not supported by anything
Israel and the US are attacking military targets, not populated areas
Iran is doing the opposite, firing missiles into the city
it's like you're intentionally being obtuse here

>>936185107
You have a right to kill someone who is going to shoot you with a gun. You do not have a right to shoot someone who buys a gun that you yourself own.

>>936185140
>I'm saying it's extremely short sighted,
how is stopping your enemies from killing you and your allies short sighted?
> and the repercussions are likely going to end up worse.
in what possible way? please explain in great detail how it is better for all of us if Iran gets access to nukes? why didn't Russia just give them some already if it's such a good idea?

>>936185157
Both Israel and Iran are striking civilian areas. This is well documented.

>>936185196
>You do not have a right to shoot someone who buys a gun that you yourself own.
what is this analogy supposed to be? if someone tries and shoots you with a gun, it doesn't matter where they got it from, only that your life is in danger

>>936185157
>that's not supported by anything
lol, come on bro
>Israel and the US are attacking military targets, not populated areas
lol, come the fuck on

>please just let Iran have noooks!11!!!
fuck no

>>936185241
If someone tries to shoot you. Not if they simply have the gun.

>>936185157
and here's israel shooting off intercepters(military targets) in tel aviv

>>936185291
why would I let someone who I know wants to do me harm to even get a gun if I can prevent it? what sane person would ever do that?

>>936185326
You are not allowed to shoot someone who has a gun because they don't like you, no.

>>936185202
>how is stopping your enemies from killing you and your allies short sighted?
By encouraging other countries to get nukes
>in what possible way?
It's been explained to you both by I and another user here in how it ends up worse.

>>936185310
Here's how close Iran hit to it, and Israel tried to play it off like Iran was targeting civilians. Followed by starting to go after people showing Iran strikes.

>>936185364
what? no one's encouraging anyone to get nukes
>It's been explained to you both by I and another user here in how it ends up worse.
no it hasn't, in no way is it somehow worse if we stop Iran from obtaining nuclear weapons

>>936185482
>what? no one's encouraging anyone to get nukes
Yes, they are. Like you said, might makes right

>>936185364
>It's been explained to you both by I and another user here in how it ends up worse
We also haven't even discussed how this is pushing Iranians closer to their insane government, thus enabling it to go further in its acts of aggression, rather than away from the their government, thus weakening and possibly overthrowing it. What's happening right now is similar to Putin's brutal attacks on Ukraine and how it's pushed the Ukrainians to further indignation and anger against their Russian "liberators". Except that whereas I want the Ukrainian state to survive I would love to see the Ayatollah fall.

>>936185502
and we have the might, so we're right
and we say no one else gets nukes

>>936185548
>and we say no one else gets nukes
until they do, and it will be more than was previously thought to have wanted.

>>936185569
can you explain how Iran is going to somehow have a better military than the US before the rest of their leadership is dead? the Ayatollah is in his 80s and is in hiding, and so many of their military leadership has been killed
in what universe do they somehow become more advanced to the point they can overpower us?

>>936185637
Okay retard, one last time. This is about more than just Iran.

>>936185647
right now this is about Iran
if one day some other country becomes more powerful then they'll get to control who else can get nukes, and I have a feeling they're not going to want anyone else to develop nuclear weapons either, because it doesn't benefit anyone when your enemies have them, I don't know why this is so difficult for you to understand

>>936185516
Yeah, I'm really starting to think the west is on its way out. It's really just a break shit first deal with it later thing going on right now.

>>936185728
>right now this is about Iran
The repercussions of what has happened to Iran is going to lead to more proliferation. You can keep trying to kvetch about Iran, but the actions have only made it clear that a country needs a nuclear device to not be attacked.

>>936185774
>>right now this is about Iran
>The repercussions of what has happened to Iran is going to lead to more proliferation.
in what possible way? they've been trying to make nukes for years, and we've repeatedly stopped them
how does this example somehow translate into other nations trying to also get them?

>>936185244
when has israel ever targeted civilians?

>>936185728
>I have a feeling they're not going to want anyone else to develop nuclear weapons
I said that like an hour ago... No country with nukes wants other countries to have nukes because then their power over another country is less.

>>936185774
>"The sky really is falling this time," screamed Chicken Little
How is you faggots have been wrong about every single thing for the last 25 years, and have no introspection at all?

>>936185810
did you see that picture?

>>936185811
so you agree that it won't matter who's at the top, they wouldn't want others to get nukes either

>>936185833
Once again, I already said that. The point being is other countries have known that, but now they know you will get hit if you try to be transparent and tell the UN you might have an inkling to do it.

>>936185637
Who said anything regarding about Iran's military strength? Everyone knows they can't win a fight with Israel let along the US.

>>936185830
How is it that we were told by Israel if we took out Sadam it would lead to peace in the region? Oh hey, guess what guise, I heard if we take out the leader of Iran it will lead to peace in the region too!

>>936185810
oh wait is that a joke that went right over my head?

>>936185810
Just this conflict or over the last 80 years?

>>936178003 (OP)
kwab

>>936185895
Source? Iraq had way more to do with them threatening SA than anything to do with Israel.
Where Saddam fucked up with thinking that since the US had been propping him up and letting him get away with shit since he was a counter balance to Iran, that he could fuck around with the oil in Kuwait and threaten SA.

>>936185895
Remember when Israel killed a bunch of our sailors despite having ample opportunity to identify our ship as American and it conveniently overlapped with a time in which the Israelis were trying to hide their invasion of the Golan Heights from the US?

>>936186042
https://x.com/matthew_sede/status/1935503018373283942

>>936186098
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fpQdg4D78Jc&t=1s

>“If you take out Saddam, Saddam’s regime, I guarantee you that it will have enormous positive reverberations on the region,” Netanyahu claimed. “And I think that people sitting right next door in Iran, young people, and many others, will say the time of such regimes, of such despots is gone.”

>>936186136
Who is this inspired young man!

>>936186085
I remember hearing about a situation like that

>>936185804
>we've repeatedly stopped them
Because they as a country have no right to them. But they do have a right to have us force in our puppet and call it freedom!

>>936186167
Did you hear the one where Israel built an entire fake civilian nuclear reactor to keep JFK from knowing they were developing nuclear weapons?

>>936186201
this isn't reddit or bluesky, no one here cares about the "rights" of a dictatorship that is hostile to our country

>>936186247
>He dictates, hostilely towards another country unironically

>>936186247
Even if your argument was 100% ironclad correct, as soon as you say no one on /b/ believes something you out yourself as knowing nothing about /b/.

>>936186242
Yeah, is that real? Did they change his mind?

>>936186430
Well, obviously it's just an anti-Israel conspiracy theory. The US didn't want Israel to have nuclear weapons and Israel certainly believes that the US has the right to tell other nations they can't have nuclear weapons.

>>936186467
And the us is cool with Israel not joining the npt

>>936186546
Well there's obviously no need! Dimona, Vela Incident, "Samson Option"- these are just words. Collections of letters if you will.

>>936186570
Did you hear the one about how Israel snuck in former ISIS/ISIL members into Gaza?

>>936186613
No, but was this part of Netanyahu's broader plan to strengthen Hamas in order to undermine the PNA and by extent Palestinian independence? Did it work out as remarkably well as his plan to remove Saddam?

>>936186570
After the hearing, Feldman said, "The prosecutor said that if Vanunu were released, the Americans would probably leave Iraq and go after Israel and Israel's nuclear weapons - which I found extremely ridiculous." The real force blocking Vanunu's release, who had been known only as "Y", was exposed in 2001 as Yehiyel Horev, the head of Mossad's nuclear and military secrets branch.


Oh wow

>>936178003 (OP)
Just enjoying the videos of Iran bombing US military bases, and Trump trying to distract by taking credit for a ceasefire Israel & Iran made between themselves.

And as usual, Trump cult worshippers making excuses for him.

>>936186665
This has been more recent, like past 6 months or so, they get to shoot up aid trucks and stuff

>>936186765
I would like to see the videos

>>936186771
I looked it up and it looks like Israel is using them to fight Hamas. The US did something similar in Afghanistan against the Soviets and it worked out... in a certain way.

>>936178003 (OP)
>americans excited to give Israel all their money
>Israel is are nummer won ally bc I was told that
>israel: Samson Option, israeli nukes pointed at USA to this day, holding it hostage for $ and mil backing
>ameritards: I just love them so much, or wait, no, we hate Jews but pledge allegiance to Israel and lock up anyone who dares question it.

Some fuckin ally ya got yourself there fucktards

>>936186765
>Just enjoying the videos of Iran bombing US military bases,
the one in Qatar? that was already evacuated?

>>936186941
It's all about building the Third Temple and bringing about the Great Tribulation where Jesus will bring all good Christians to heaven (but more importantly kill all the gays and Muslims and progressive taxation advocates). American Evangelicals are often as nuts as the Iranians they so despise.

>>936186973
Anon is a big fan of impotent strikes, apparently.

>>936186897
I don’t even get why they would do it. It’s obvious israel used hamas and now want to dispose of them a couple decades later. I guess it must be a nice 20 years.

>>936187065
They're militant fundamentalists; they're either so delusional as to think they're invincible or believe that even if they fail they at least pleased their god.

>>936187042
>retarded rambling
Funny how you're obsessed with that, but apparently know nothing about Iran's end times theology of the people who actually control their government. About how their sponsorship of terrorism all over the world is to bring about the final battle and reveal the hidden imam.

>>936178724
Yeah.
It wasnt just that they kept firing missiles after his little speech was done, but that while he was talking missiles steuck both Iran and Israel.

>>936187098
Yeah, the phrase "as nuts" clearly means "the second party isn't nuts at all". Nice reading comprehension.

>>936187098
you seem to be missing anon's point and you described Iranian islamists indistinguishably from American evangelicals

They're still shooting at each other.

>>936187185
>I read an article from 2 hours ago

>>936187042
Jokes on Christians, they’re not getting into heaven. According to that prophecy only the 12000 from the original 12 tribes of Israel residing in the great city get raptured. Christians are not included in the plan, no matter how much they tell themselves they’ve been “good”, which holy fuck good luck pleading that case to anyone after the modern day influence of Christians defined by their hatred and constant attacks on the most vulnerable of their fellow man..

>>936187308
Less than an hour ago and after the ceasefire was technically supposed to be in effect. Iran said it was their final round; now we'll see if Israel wants a "final round" and what happens after that.

THANK YOU PRESIDENT TRUMP!!!!!

>>936187323
That's not correct and I do take issue with painting 2 billion people with the same brush. That's call out the bigoted Christians for being bigoted and leave it at that.

>>936187382
u supposed to sugg his donger bro
actions, not words, Donald's heard too many empty promises before and had his heart broken by other men in the past

>>936185151
>The conman in this situation would be the United States that has its "money" but seeks to take away that of others.
I wouldn't even counter you.

>>936187510
That's your right.

Well, they've both confirmed it. We'll see if it holds. Right now they're both doing the "we achieved our objectives" thing to keep the proles from hanging them in the public square.

>>936183874
You unironically think what you're saying is rational.

>>936184037
I love this mindset.
The only people who I've ever seen suggest that we should use nukes in the 21st century are Republicans. Even among my own friends, the only ones who've suggested that we should just glass an area with a nuclear weapon because of a diplomatic rough patch have been Republicans.
If it's true, what you say; "Something like a nuke would only ever be used be an extremist market of a country like Iran." then an astounding number of Republicans see our country as an extremist manlet country which just swings it's dick around.

>>936184218
kike
iran deserves to exist and has the right to defend itself. samson option proves that the ONLY aggressor in the middle east is the nonce haven Pizzrael. If we don’t allow Iran to have nukes, then how will they nuke tel aviv? sheket bat zonah

Whoops, nevermind.

>>936188115
>iran deserves to exist and has the right to defend itself
they do, but that doesn't include a right to having nukes, or a right to attack other nations
>the ONLY aggressor in the middle east is the nonce haven Pizzrael
lmfao, no. and are you aware that Iran is one of the largest supporters of terrorist groups in the area?

>>936178185
>PiEcE

>>936179199
>I don't understand the screeching about WW3
Orange man bad.

>>936178003 (OP)
>ceasefire
isn't that a timeout?

It's all political theater. Hell, even trump called Iran and TOLD them he was going bomb them to give them time to move their research.

And as for Iran, they said they would retaliate, and technically, they did. Even though they fired very few missiles, that they INTENDED to be shot down. Just like last year when they shot a bunch of missiles towards israel that went nowhere.

It's the classic Iran playbook, honestly.

>>936188680
Iran didn't even attack us it attacked quatar they weren't even involved in this.

>>936188680
it's political theater for what? stock manipulation? making the population afraid of a draft? first one is true since they bombed that jewish stock exchange, isn't it?

>>936188680
Iran has mastered the art of symbolic retaliation lol. It's not for nothing that they usually fire rockets towards uninhabited areas very inaccurately, make all these loud warnings about terrible deadly retaliation but deliver just enough to satisfy domestic hardliners while avoiding crossing a line that forces real US retaliation

This lets them say “TECHNICALLY we responded and retaliated” but it also keeps the door open for de-escalation. Which is exactly what happened because the peace deal came only a few hours after their retaliation.

>>936188762
Perhaps to show strength and take the discussion off three governments that have become unpopular with their people. Although I don't think anon was saying the whole conflict has been theater but specifically what Trump has been doing. In regards to the ceasefire, for example, it's entirely possible both sides were ready before Trump did or said anything. Iran had repeatedly said they'd stop firing once Israel did and Israel has been saying they've completed their objectives which implies they were ready to stop.

>>936188762
Iran doesn't give a shit what happens around the world except in Israel probably. As long as they can keep political hardliners in line by pretending to attack with force then they'll be fine. That means saving face with their own population and keeping allies like Hezbollah on their side and engages. I also think a show of force can sometimes be used to give countries a stronger bargaining position for talks. Yes, in war countries sometimes fight first to talk later

>>936188888
checked

>>936188816
Exactly what I mean, what trump did was just theater. That means attacking the nuclear site and TELLING them beforehand when and where he was going to do it, and also Iran's "retaliation" where they attacked the US base in Qatar. Minimal ammunition, was launched knowing it would be shot down, choosing Qatar for symbolic reasons rather than to actually do damage. Then they can walk away and say "ah geez, there's this peace deal that we wanted and Israel is done with their shit and we're done with ours"

So thanks trump.. but not really

>>936179827
So... you've never felt the romantic touch of a woman.

>>936188762
Also yes for stock manipulation on trumps side and oil manipulation for the world.. oil barrels went up 10%. That means energy companies and OPEC+ made tens of billions of dollars over this which I'm sure is not lost on trump or Iranian aghazadehs

>>936187358
logfag

>>936189326
Why do you weirdos get off on this stuff? With an obviously fake latex dong a different skin color than the faceless nigger supposedly fucking the porn actress?
Also, how the fuck do you sperg out all day long on this shit? You're literally on here 24/7 calling everyone logfag.

>>936189361
you're the logfag . u tell me

>>936189094
iran controls the oil, them becoming hostile with the world might be because of israel. trump just made it worse

>>936189399
>iran controls the oil
that's like saying women control the pussy. if they decide to be a bitch you just rape them

>>936189399
Not true Iran doesn't control even a slight majority of oil but at the end of the day trump took advantage of a situation and a lot of people made money off it. But he didn't stop anything they would have done that without him

>>936189399
>might be because of israel.
A country a thousand miles away from them that they've manufactured a grievance with over people whom aren't even the same sect of Islam as they are. This is like if Poland decided to stage terrorists attacks on England because of their Northern Ireland policy, except that's more reasonable because there are a lot of Catholics in Poland.

is food scarcity manufactured or is it a logistics problem?

>>936190367
inb4 both

which one primarily

how many human rights are we expected to pay for?

>>936190386
hopefully all of them. human rights were a mistake and i'm glad you lowbornes will have them stripped from you

>>936178185
>>936179827
Obama get a NOBEL PEACE PRIZE and he blew up a hospital for no reason
AHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>936190367
In the west, currently a logistic problem. For much of the rest of the world, a scarcity problem. For most of human history, scarcity. It used to be over 90% of the population worked in either the growing, hunting, raising, processing, transport, or preparation of food.

>>936190386
That's a powerful question, and the answer depends heavily on your philosophical, legal, and political framing.

1. In principle: None.
Human rights, as defined in documents like the Universal Declaration of Human Rights (UDHR), are considered inherent, inalienable, and universal. That means you should not have to pay for them — they are owed to you simply by virtue of being human.

These include:

The right to life, liberty, and security.

The right to education.

The right to work and fair wages.

Freedom of thought, conscience, religion.

Access to health, housing, and food.

Freedom from torture and arbitrary arrest.

2. In practice: Many are conditional on access to money or systems.
Unfortunately, many rights require infrastructure, policy, and economic resources to enforce — and in many societies, access to these rights is mediated by money.

Examples:

Healthcare: Supposed to be a human right, but in many countries, access is limited by ability to pay.

Education: Free in theory, but often unequal in quality unless you pay for better access.

Justice: Legal representation is a right, but in practice, good legal defense is expensive.

Housing: The right to adequate shelter is recognized, but the market dictates availability.

So while you're not supposed to pay for your rights, real-world systems often force you to, or treat them as privileges.

3. Why does this contradiction exist?
Because governments and markets allocate resources, and when human needs are filtered through profit-driven systems or underfunded public ones, rights become commodified. This raises ethical questions about:

Whether rights can truly be universal under capitalism.

Whether some rights (like intellectual property) conflict with others (like access to knowledge or education).

Whether taxation, insurance, or mutual aid models are fair ways to support rights collectively.

>>936190386
Summary:
You are not supposed to pay for human rights.
But in our current systems, many must be paid for — not because they aren’t rights, but because we haven't built structures that guarantee them equitably.

Would you like an overview of the 30 articles of the UDHR and how each one is treated in reality?

>>936190422
i'd like for you to be sent to a reeducation camp already, slave

>>936190367
Food scarcity is more artificially created than it is a pure logistics problem — especially in the modern world. Let's break it down clearly:

1. Is it a logistics problem?
Yes — but mostly in developing or crisis-stricken areas:

Poor roads, storage, or refrigeration infrastructure.

Conflict zones where food can’t reach people.

Natural disasters disrupting supply chains.

But globally, we produce enough food to feed everyone. The FAO (UN Food and Agriculture Organization) estimates the world produces food for 10+ billion people, yet over 700 million go hungry. So the logistics issue exists, but it’s not the core cause anymore.

2. Artificial scarcity: Yes, and it’s systemic.
This includes:

Global Market Dynamics
Food is treated as a commodity, not a right. If you can’t pay, it doesn’t matter if food is available.

Countries export food for profit while local populations starve.

Global food prices are manipulated by speculation on commodity markets, leading to artificial price spikes (e.g. 2008 food crisis).

Government & Corporate Policies
Some governments destroy crops to stabilize prices.

Subsidies for crops like corn, soy, or wheat distort production priorities away from nutritional needs.

Companies dump surplus or let food rot rather than lower prices.

Food Waste
An estimated 30–40% of all food is wasted, often due to cosmetic standards, overproduction, or expiration labels that don’t mean the food is unsafe.

Land Use and Resource Allocation
Vast amounts of farmland go to biofuels or animal feed, not human food.

Agricultural land is often controlled by corporate interests or absentee investors rather than communities.

So, is it more artificial or logistical?
Artificial scarcity is the dominant cause, especially when viewed globally.
Logistics problems are secondary, often used as cover for deeper structural and political failings.

>>936190367
What could help?
Shifting from profit-driven food systems to rights-based and regenerative models.

Investment in local food sovereignty, agroecology, and mutual aid.

International cooperation to demarketize basic needs like food and water.

Would you like examples of where artificial scarcity has been clearly demonstrated (e.g. Haiti, India, Ethiopia, or even the U.S.)?

>>936190447
no u, slave

>>936190504
you have already lost humanitarian.

>>936190512
no u, antihumanist

>>936190512
You were so quick to reply but a moment ago. Shill.

>>936190512
Demonic influence doesn't have to be seen as a bad thing.