Thread 936235099 - /b/ [Archived: 764 hours ago]

Anonymous
6/25/2025, 4:16:05 PM No.936235099
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Is it ethical to eat animals?
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Anonymous
6/25/2025, 4:28:23 PM No.936235389
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Only frogs
Anonymous
6/25/2025, 4:29:38 PM No.936235424
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>>936235099 (OP)
Why not enjoy healthy vegan food?
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Anonymous
6/25/2025, 4:32:36 PM No.936235488
>>936235424
Depends on what you feed them and how you treat them before slaughtering them.
Anonymous
6/25/2025, 4:45:33 PM No.936235819
>>936235099 (OP)
This is something that I've thought about at length. I even went vegetarian for a while because of it...

I don't think that it is necessarily unethical to kill and consume animals. However, I do believe that we have a responsibility to ensure that the animal was not put under unnecessary stress. With the current corporate operation of farms and slaughterhouses, most meat you find at the grocery store was not ethically harvested. It's too easy to cut corners to get marginally more profit. Animal well-being is not taken into consideration.

Because of this, I don't buy meat often.

Meat is a great source of nutrition, so I do consume it, but I am conscious of how much I consume now. I understand that I could live a relatively healthy life as a vegan, but it is more trouble than it's worth.

If you want meat, I believe that you have an obligation to source it yourself (hunting) or buy it from a somewhere that sustainably and ethically harvests the animals.
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Anonymous
6/25/2025, 4:50:06 PM No.936235954
>>936235099 (OP)
Not entirely but itโ€™s like asking if being alive is ethical
Perhaps not, but it is a part of the natural order of the world we were born into
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Anonymous
6/25/2025, 4:53:56 PM No.936236057
>>936235819
there is no ethical murder of an animal that has a desire to live. is it ok for me to kill you or anybody that has had their freedom their whole life?
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Anonymous
6/25/2025, 4:56:27 PM No.936236143
>>936235954
this is just an appeal to nature. it was necessary at some point, but not anymore.
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Anonymous
6/25/2025, 4:59:24 PM No.936236222
>>936236143
As someone who tried vegan replacement products, it still is very much nessesart especially if you try to avoid all the unhealthy plant based oils.
Anonymous
6/25/2025, 5:27:19 PM No.936237125
Being alive is unethical
Anonymous
6/25/2025, 5:29:09 PM No.936237189
>>936236057
I'm not going to make full arguments because this is 4chan, but here is my response.

What is more valuable? The life of a human or the life of a pig? There are plenty of great philosophers who have debated this at length.

What makes life worth living? I believe it to be happiness. If that is the case, then I believe that the life of a human is more valuable, because a human is capable of experiencing more enjoyment from their lives than a pig is (intelligence, lifespan, etc).

We can't assume that killing is bad without understanding why that is. Killing is bad because it robs happiness from that which was killed. In the case of the pig, we are taking happiness from it which is inherently bad (assuming life is based around maximizing happiness). Comparatively, killing a human would be worse. Because of this, I don't think that killing a human is the same as killing a pig.
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Anonymous
6/25/2025, 5:29:41 PM No.936237205
>>936237189
As far as "murder of an animal," I disagree with how that is presented. Murder is defined as the unlawful killing of a person. Animals are not people - they deserve respect, but they don't have the same capacities as humans. I will, therefore, propose a new sentence to argue against - 'the slaughter of an animal.'

Assuming we can agree about the change of sentence, I would argue that the slaughter of an animal by a human is not unethical if certain criteria are met. To understand these criteria, we have to understand what would make slaughter unethical.

To slaughter wantonly, unsustainable, crudely, or maliciously would be unethical because that would be causing unhappiness to the animal. This is worse than just killing, because we would be replacing happiness with unhappiness - not simply just taking happiness away. So, if we are to slaughter an animal, it needs to be done with respect and care.

We also need a reason to slaughter an animal to begin with. Even though they provide much more, lets just assume that we only slaughter for meat. We could do without meat, but the alternatives are less attractive. Meat is has great nutritional value and humans evolved having the capacity to eat meat because of this. Meat is also tasty, and thusly provides happiness when consumed.

If a human is to slaughter an animal in an ethical way (as argued above), then the happiness provided by the meat should be greater than the happiness of that animal's life (with regards to the animal). This is an impossible point to argue, but with hypotheticals, we can imagine instances where this would be true. I would, therefore, conclude that there are instances where the slaughter of an animal is ethical.
Anonymous
6/25/2025, 5:32:12 PM No.936237279
>>936235099 (OP)
its not ok when they bite me, sooooooo..........
Anonymous
6/25/2025, 5:42:15 PM No.936237610
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>>936235099 (OP)
no, but i do it anyway
even if i switched to a vegan diet, i would still have to source the vast majority of my food through conventional supermarkets, which rely on huge agribusiness conglomerates
those companies, in turn, practice "modern" agriculture, which means monocrops, heavy mechanization, and the liberal application of artificial fertilizers, herbicides, and pesticides, which has profound direct and indirect effects on animal life and results in the suffering and death of billions of animals every year
there's also a lot of unethical human suffering that goes into modern agriculture, including, but not limited to, the exploitation of seasonal farm workers
Anonymous
6/25/2025, 6:58:34 PM No.936240003
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>>936235099 (OP)
NO, absolutely not
This Khanty mother should get in her Subaru and drive to the nearest Whole Foods to get tofu for her kid.
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Anonymous
6/25/2025, 7:00:02 PM No.936240051
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>>936235099 (OP)
Yes, our ancestors did it for millennia. We literally evolved to eat animals.
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Anonymous
6/25/2025, 7:28:50 PM No.936241072
>>936240003
Yes, the only ethical way to eat animals is to kill them yourself so that you know they died in peace and not suffering.
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Anonymous
6/25/2025, 7:30:33 PM No.936241143
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>>936240051
>evolved
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Anonymous
6/25/2025, 7:30:47 PM No.936241154
>>936241072
some tards actually believe this
in 2025!
Anonymous
6/25/2025, 7:31:24 PM No.936241184
Leftists:
>Eating meat is murder!
Also
>Homosexuality is perfectly fine, lots on animals do it.
Anonymous
6/25/2025, 7:32:29 PM No.936241221
>>936240051
>We literally evolved to eat animals.
we literally evolved to rape and murder other humans
rape and murder are ok?
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Anonymous
6/25/2025, 7:33:12 PM No.936241245
>>936241143
Humans have incisor and canine teeth. We are omnivores.
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Anonymous
6/25/2025, 7:33:54 PM No.936241268
>>936241221
whew lad
did you take debate in homeschool?
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Anonymous
6/25/2025, 7:36:58 PM No.936241356
>>936241245
Very tiny ones.
Almost as if they're vestigial.
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Anonymous
6/25/2025, 7:38:20 PM No.936241419
>>936241356
>Yeah OK I am wrong
>But I was basically correct if you just ignore how I was wrong
Fuck off
Anonymous
6/25/2025, 7:52:57 PM No.936241924
>>936235099 (OP)
>Is it ethical to
Watching ANYBODY on /b/ discuss "ethics" is nothing short of hilarious. Get a fucking clue, frog boy.
Anonymous
6/25/2025, 8:16:45 PM No.936242799
>>936241268
don't deflect, answer the question
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Anonymous
6/25/2025, 8:27:10 PM No.936243197
>>936241143
Yes, we evolved to eat meat. Our ancestors ate meat.

>>936242799
No, we didnโ€™t evolve to rape or murder although we are capable of those things. We evolved as a social species.
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Anonymous
6/25/2025, 8:28:02 PM No.936243234
>>936235099 (OP)
Sure, animals dont have the capabiliy to argue about it, it would be like eating retards except human flesh isnt good for us
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Anonymous
6/25/2025, 8:28:20 PM No.936243250
>>936241245
yes yes, humans also still have absurd bite strength ideal for ripping through meat
Anonymous
6/25/2025, 8:28:48 PM No.936243261
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>>936243234
Cannibalism is obviously unethical but thatโ€™s not OPs question.
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Anonymous
6/25/2025, 8:30:27 PM No.936243310
>>936243261
I answered his question illiterate faggot. I said YES, it would be LIKE eating a retard
Anonymous
6/25/2025, 8:32:36 PM No.936243392
>>936235099 (OP)
Let me settle this for you and any vegan whos going to argue against it. YOU DONT GET TO DECIDE WHAT PEOPLE DO.
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Anonymous
6/25/2025, 9:47:17 PM No.936246521
>>936243392
kek
Anonymous
6/25/2025, 10:50:09 PM No.936248912
>>936243197
>No, we didnโ€™t evolve to rape or murder although we are capable of those things.
we didn't evolve to kill animals, although we are capable of it
>We evolved as a social species.
social species rape and kill each other, so i'm not sure how this statement is relevant
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Anonymous
6/25/2025, 10:53:44 PM No.936249074
>>936243392
Says who?
Anonymous
6/25/2025, 10:54:57 PM No.936249133
>>936235099 (OP)
You were born into a realm where Life feeds on Life. You have to eat them. Or else you will be sickly and die.
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Anonymous
6/25/2025, 11:20:35 PM No.936250202
>>936249133
Ellsworth Wareham became vegan in middle age and lived to the age of 104
he was a cardiothoracic surgeon and kept working until he was 95
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Anonymous
6/25/2025, 11:21:41 PM No.936250244
>>936248912
You're supposed to not go full meathead and go vegetarian, i.
Anonymous
6/25/2025, 11:24:19 PM No.936250348
>>936250202
By taking supplements that you dont get from nature without eating animals.
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Anonymous
6/25/2025, 11:28:51 PM No.936250518
>>936250348
which supplements did Wareham take?
Anonymous
6/26/2025, 12:34:53 AM No.936253140
>>936235099 (OP)
If animals didn't want to be eaten, they wouldn't be tasty.
Anonymous
6/26/2025, 12:45:43 AM No.936253585
>>936250348
yes, there is no evidence to suggest it isn't.
Anonymous
6/26/2025, 12:47:27 AM No.936253670
>>936235099 (OP)
Plants feel pain too

you're literally calling for pizza flavored goo that is impossible to tell the difference from the real thing
Anonymous
6/26/2025, 1:32:44 AM No.936255703
Ye