Who wins?

>>936469555 (OP)
If it comes down to just numbers, The Empire will defeat The Federation. If it comes down to fancy technology such as teleportation and antimatter, I'd give it to The Federation.

A single blast from a star destroyer would send the enterprise tumbling through space

eto moy galactika provalivay otsudava

>>936469555 (OP)
Star destroyer. Cuckaprice gets swarmed by Tie's, Star destroyer is built for combat and not populated by pacifist faggots.

>>936469555 (OP)
Nacht Waffen, duh

>>936469555 (OP)
someone did the math of star trek phasers vs star wars and it was gigatons of energy that the enterprise can put out, while the star destroyer is pathetic in comparison.

>>936470018
I remember reading something the exact opposite of that.

>>936469956
>Star destroyer is built for combat and not populated by pacifist faggots
This.

>>936469950

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Eto Moy Galactika Provalivay Otsudava 402

A 1
B 2

Art , minimalism

>>936469555 (OP)
A disproportionate number of pedophiles are avid Star Trek fans

>>936469555 (OP)
Jews.
Jews always win.

You're debating two faggy flicks made by literal Jews to make them rich.

This speaks much TBH.

>>936469555 (OP)
Neither of them. Because they don't exist. Touch some grass, you nerds!

>>936469555 (OP)
>powerscaling brainrot

>>936469555 (OP)
Our whole universe was in a hot, dense state
Then nearly fourteen billion years ago expansion started, wait
The earth began to cool, the autotrophs began to drool
Neanderthals developed tools
We built a wall (we built the pyramids)
Math, science, history, unraveling the mysteries
That all started with the big bang (bang)
Since the dawn of man is really not that long
As every galaxy was formed in less time than it takes to sing this song
A fraction of a second and the elements were made
The bipeds stood up straight, the dinosaurs all met their fate
They tried to leap but they were late
And they all died (they froze their asses off)
The oceans and Pangea, see ya wouldn't wanna be ya
Set in motion by the same big bang
It all started with the big bang
It's expanding ever outward but one day
It will pause and start to go the other way
Collapsing ever inward, we won't be here, it won't be heard
Our best and brightest figure that it'll make an even bigger bang
Australopithecus would really have been sick of us
Debating how we're here, they're catching deer (we're catching viruses)
Religion or astronomy (Descartes or Deuteronomy)
It all started with the big bang
Music and mythology, Einstein and astrology
It all started with the big bang
It all started with the big bang

>>936470227
fun fact:
George Lucas was born and raised in Modesto, California, the son of Dorothy Ellinore Lucas (née Bomberger).
Bomberger is an Ashkenazi surname.
Gene Roddenberry was the first child of Eugene Edward Roddenberry and Caroline "Glen" (née Golemon) Roddenberry.
Golemon is anglicized Gollmann, Gollman is an Ashkenazi surname.
John Meredyth Lucas was the son of screenwriter Bess Meredyth and writer/director Wilfred Lucas, and the adopted son of director Michael Curtiz. Curtiz Curtiz was born Manó Kaminer to a Jewish family in Budapest in 1886.
Fred Freiberger was born to a Jewish family in New York City.
Michael Jan Friedman. Friedman is an Ashkenazi surname.

the list goes on and on.

>>936469555 (OP)
I hate Im nerdy enough to know this..
There are plenty of books where you can see the energy use and firepower and this and that of all these craft.

Star wars starships are by multitudes far more powerful than star trek ships. Like Im pretty sure an x wing can obliterate the enterprise iirc.
And this is all based on what arbitrary numbers were written down by whomever that then became Canon for both genres.

And its a dumb argument anyway because star trek and star wars are totally different genres. Star trek is hard sci fi and star wars is high fantasy. Its like asking who'd win between a historically accurate mounted 11th century knight, or a Nazgûl.

>>936470018
You got this backwards

>>936469555 (OP)
Both are extremely underpowered as civilizations spanning star systems with FTL capabilities. The writers really lacking imagination.

>>936470705
>xwing cna beat enterprise
Checked, this claims a bit too far. But the star destroyer, yeah, dwarves it

>>936469555 (OP)
Whichever gets to be in its native universe. The other would instantly explode the moment it appeared in the foreign universe with completely different laws of physics.

>>936471043
>A long time ago, in a galaxy far, far away..

It's the same universe, just very far away in time and space.

>>936470705
>>936470054
>teleports photon torpedo onto your command deck
nothing personalle kid

>>936471089
dude there's only one universe as far as we are concerned
hence the name

>>936471191
not well known, but SW does have energy shields. not sure how they react with a teleporter, tho.

>>936469555 (OP)
whoever doesn't have lasers based on bullshit

>>936469555 (OP)
Enterprise. Its not even a question. A couple of quantum torpedos will obliterate a star destroyer

>>936469555 (OP)
I think the real question is why, for the past three months, my every waking and sleeping thought is the taste of leanbeefpatty’s sweet armpits, now causing me to no longer live my normal life but yearn to dedicate myself to her true worship?

>>936469555 (OP)
Enterprise as it can fire with it's shields up whereas the opposing ship cannot. Beaming a timed torpedo to critical weak-points is also an advantage.
Otherwise, >>936469600 is a great synopsis.

>>936471191
Feels like this is some kind of gambit they'd have to come up with later after numerous federation ships were torn to shreds by turbo lasers, and would remain a complicated maneuver to pull off while, again, being shredded by turbolasers.

Like isn't that the idea of a torpedo in the first place? Load it in a bay, make it go to a ship, then it explodes before they make you explode?
Youre just doing it a different way. While under hail fire of fantasy energy bullets that disintegrate you like nothing.

>>936472128
Phasers and photon torpedos are much more powerful and accurate than your glorified plasma casters

>snaps fingers
>every imperial ship in the galaxy explodes

>>936472284
As I said, there were books upon books of specs from both universes, my nerdy ass friends and I went through them as kids.
Star wars ships are massively, massively more powerful than star trek ships.

And again, its cause one is fantasy and one is more hard sci fi. Its just numbers made up by this individual or that individual, but if you take it as cannon, the star destroyer vs enterprise is taking a nuke to a party snapper fight.

Star Wars is for faggots.

Star Trek is actual sci-fi. Star Wars is just tryhard nonsense

>>936469555 (OP)
UR MOM LOL

>>936469722
Recalibrate main deflector dish to emit negative tachyon particles, then eject the warp core. You are fucked, you just opened a temporal-space vortex, causing the Star Destroyer to implode. Now I just need to send a subspace relay to the nearest starbase, and while we wait, I can jackoff in the holodeck.

Which Enterprise, which Captain? And, if Picard, pre-Locutus or post-Locutus?

Is Vader (or the Emperor) on the bridge ready to cast around with the Force to try to overcome the Federation ship's rather obvious advantages of rather comprehensive deflector shields (plus normal shields, and possibly some even more technobabbly shields dreampt up by Scotty/Geordie/whoever out of inverse tachyon subspace manifold depolarisations projected through the forward navigational array) and the very obvious option to just make a Picard Maneuver should any plasma bolt or fleet of Ties try to attack.

And do we have Q, Gary Mitchel, Charlie X, or even 'just' a V'Ger or the friggin Caretaker interfering, for or against either or both?


The Enterprise is also just so much better in nebulae/asteroid fields (or even, in some cases, planetary atmospheres, earthlike jovian-like and moon-of-jupiter-like; never mind the *underwater* ability some of them have).


The only true jeopardy is perhaps which Captain vs. which Grand Moff/Admiral as to how the initial encounter goes, which might turn it into a more complex encounter than merely a straight phaser vs 'laser' battle.

I would like to see a star destroyer try to take on a Borg cube

>>936472532
Hi superiors make them all back together and then he explodes

>>936475680
That would be a sight. You should research computer animation and physics and shit and make a mock battle between the Empire and the Borg.

>>936474942
checkmate

My money is on WarHammer 40K.

>pic related

>>936480520
That would be me.

>>936470640

>>936475178
Yeah Geordi and Data always finds a way they never fail.

Enterprise. Teleporter fuckery alone is enough to deal with unshielded ships. Even without damaging the vehicle or removing parts you could teleport the Doc in with a gun set on stun and let him take down all commanding personnel. So long as no one hits the little target on his arm he is invulnerable.
Even early spaceships in the startrek universe could canonically raze worlds. The Empire needs to build a giant ball explicitly for destroying worlds. The Enterprise designed to casually endure bot natural and unnatural disasters that can obliterate planets. The Star Destroyer has its technological level so far behind.

>>936483843
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nm7m59l-3sE

>>936469722
A star destroyer doesn't even have shields, they could beam a photon torpedo onto their bridge before they even knew what happened.

Not to mention warp drive is significantly faster than light speed

>>936483994
I saw the meme but can photon torpedoes even be teleported?

>>936484055
Probably. They use antimatter as their explosive so that might cause some difficulty, but its nothing that Scotty cant figure out.

>>936469555 (OP)
Stargate wins two on one against these.

>>936469722
The Enterprise has shields able to defend against particles that move faster than light. It can survive antimatter weapons and flying at the edge of stars and black holes. Defending against laser attacks is its daily routine.

>>936484219
Human ships from Stargate suck. They have a lot of neat teck but ships are not it.

>>936484219
only if you're innumerate

lmao warsfags btfo yet again

>>936484898
I'd like to see either Starfleet or the Empire take on an Ancient city ship with three ZPMs and a full compliment of drones.

>>936484927
Numbers in these shows are meaningless. I like to look at what we're shown on screen. Stargate blows up stars and solar systems and can travel between galaxies. Early season the tech is meh at best, but later seasons that power creep is insane.

>>innumarate
cringe...

>>936469555 (OP)
I've piloted A-wings that have taken out multiple star destroyers; the Enterprise-E would make quick work of them.
>target their shield generators (which are on the OUTSIDE of the ship) with phasers
>the second their shields are down, fire two (2) photon torpedoes at the bridge
Smoke me a kipper.

>>936475178
They'd be dead from the first turbolaser volley, they wouldn't have time to speak to each other, much less pull off anything other than dying horribly.

>>936475178
>eject the warp core
Shax, we can't always resort to ejecting the Warp core.

>>936470249
Kill yourself faggot.

This thread is not approved by Command. Please cease at once.

>>936472284
They aren't.

>>936475237
None of this matters, any ST ship would be ripped to shreds so fast they couldn't react.

>>936483994
>When you don't know anything about anything but continue to run your mouth anyway.

warscucks coping hard

>>936486715
Assuming what, exactly?

>>936486715
What's the range of each ships sensors?

Great question — the kind of nerdy cross-universe matchup fans love to debate! Let's break it down.

---

### **The Contenders**

#### **USS Enterprise-E (Sovereign-class) – *Star Trek***

* **Weapons**: Type-XII phaser arrays, quantum torpedoes, photon torpedoes
* **Defenses**: Advanced shields, ablative armor, structural integrity fields
* **Tech**: Warp drive (faster-than-light travel), transporters, cloaking countermeasures, advanced targeting
* **Tactical Edge**: Extreme precision, faster reaction time, superior maneuverability
* **Crew**: Elite Starfleet officers, usually led by Jean-Luc Picard — a master tactician

#### **Imperial Star Destroyer (Imperial-class) – *Star Wars***

* **Weapons**: Turbolasers, ion cannons, tractor beams, TIE fighter squadrons
* **Defenses**: Thick durasteel armor, deflector shields
* **Size**: Over 1.6 km long, massive firepower and troop capacity
* **Tactical Edge**: Overwhelming brute force, intimidation, support fleet potential
* **Crew**: Thousands of Imperials, but typically less creative and more hierarchical

---

### **Head-to-Head Matchup**

| Factor | Winner |
| --------------------------- | ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- |
| **Firepower** | **Star Destroyer** (sheer volume of energy output and number of weapons) |
| **Speed & Maneuverability** | **Enterprise-E** (warp capabilities, impulse drive, smaller and more agile) |
| **Technology** | **Enterprise-E** (Star Trek tech is typically more advanced per unit — precision weapons, shields, sensors) |
| **Shields/Defense** | **Enterprise-E** (better energy management and shielding, especially with SIF and ablative armor) |
| **Crew Effectiveness** | **Enterprise-E** (Starfleet officers are trained to think critically and adapt rapidly) |
| **Tactical Intelligence** | **Enterprise-E** (Picard > most Imperial officers tactically) |

---

### **Conclusion**

In a **straight-up slugfest**, a **Star Destroyer** could easily overpower a less-advanced ship — but not the **Enterprise-E**.

* The **Enterprise**'s **superior shields, pinpoint targeting, and faster reaction time** make it capable of **evading the Star Destroyer's heavy guns**, attacking weak points, and disabling key systems.
* Plus, with **transporters**, they could beam explosives or boarding parties into vulnerable areas or even evacuate before destruction — something Star Wars tech can't match.

**Result**: **Enterprise-E wins**, unless caught totally off guard. With a skilled captain like Picard and the high-tech edge of Star Trek's Federation, it would take the win — possibly without needing to destroy the Star Destroyer outright.

---

Let me know if you want to simulate the fight or change the ship classes (e.g., Executor-class or Galaxy-class)!

>>936487184
Star Destroyer vs USS Defiant (NX-74205)

>>936487313
Now we’re talking *David vs Goliath* — a true underdog fight!

---

### The Contenders

#### **USS Defiant (NX-74205)** – *Star Trek: Deep Space Nine*

* **Class**: Escort/warship prototype
* **Size**: \~170 meters long (tiny compared to a Star Destroyer)
* **Weapons**: Pulse phaser cannons, quantum torpedoes, standard phasers
* **Defenses**: Ablative armor, advanced shields
* **Tech**: Cloaking device (borrowed from Romulans), warp drive, precise targeting
* **Crew**: \~50, led by top-tier tacticians like Captain Sisko or Worf

#### **Imperial Star Destroyer** – *Star Wars*

* **Class**: Imperial-class Star Destroyer
* **Size**: \~1,600 meters long
* **Weapons**: \~60 turbolaser batteries, 60 ion cannons, tractor beams, TIE fighter complement
* **Defenses**: Heavy armor plating, deflector shields
* **Crew**: Over 37,000 (officers, troops, gunners, support crew)

---

>>936487313
### Tactical Breakdown

| Factor | Winner |
| ------------------------ | -------------------------------------------------------------------- |
| **Firepower** | **Star Destroyer** – Massive volume of fire and fighter squadrons |
| **Maneuverability** | **Defiant** – Small, agile, built for speed |
| **Tech Level** | **Defiant** – Federation tech is centuries ahead of Star Wars norms |
| **Cloaking** | **Defiant** – Can vanish entirely and strike from surprise |
| **Shielding** | **Defiant** – Compact but powerful systems, better energy modulation |
| **Targeting Accuracy** | **Defiant** – Starfleet sensors and computer targeting are superior |
| **Size & Troop Numbers** | **Star Destroyer** – It's a floating city and fortress |

---

### Strategic Analysis

* **Direct Confrontation**: In an open brawl, the Defiant would be in serious trouble. A single hit from a turbolaser could destroy or severely damage it. It’s not built to tank that much fire.
* **Hit-and-Run**: The Defiant excels at guerrilla tactics. Cloak, warp in, hit weak points (like shield generators or command tower), warp out. Lather, rinse, repeat.
* **Sensor Advantage**: The Defiant would detect the Star Destroyer *long* before it could be targeted. Star Wars ships often lack precise sensor range and targeting of Star Trek ships.
* **Disabling vs Destroying**: The Defiant might not be able to destroy a Star Destroyer in one go, but it could disable critical systems with surgical strikes (e.g., shield generators, engines, life support).

---

>>936487313
### Verdict: **Depends on the Scenario**

* **Open Combat** (no cloak, no surprise):
**Star Destroyer wins** — Defiant gets obliterated by overwhelming firepower.

* **Stealth/Skirmish Warfare** (cloaking used, smart tactics):
**Defiant wins or escapes** — It could *cripple* the Star Destroyer over time or warp away unscathed.

* **Captain Sisko Scenario**:
If Sisko’s in command and has prep time?
Star Destroyer might not even know what hit it.

---

### TL;DR:

* **Star Destroyer wins** in a slugfest.
* **Defiant wins** in a stealthy or tactical scenario.
* With a good captain and clever use of the cloak, the Defiant could **punch way above its weight**.

Want to scale up the Defiant's support or simulate a battle step-by-step?

I don't really care, but I would think that transporters, cloaking, and being MUCH faster, would make ST ships hard to beat.

>>936475680
>>936477964
Now this is a galactic heavyweight showdown:

## **Borg Cube (Star Trek)** vs **Imperial Star Destroyer (Star Wars)**

---

### **BORG CUBE**

* **Size**: \~3,000 meters per side (larger than a Star Destroyer)
* **Weapons**: Directed energy beams, cutting beams, tractor beams, nanoprobes, potentially transphasic torpedoes
* **Defenses**:

* Adaptive shielding (becomes immune to repeated attacks)
* Regenerative hull
* **Technology**:

* Transwarp drive (faster than warp)
* Self-repairing
* Assimilation of enemy tech and crew
* Nearly omnidirectional weapons
* **Crew**: Tens of thousands of Borg drones
* **Tactics**: Relentless advance, no fear, fully collective intelligence

---

### **Imperial Star Destroyer**

* **Size**: \~1,600 meters long
* **Weapons**: \~60 turbolasers, 60 ion cannons, tractor beams, TIE fighter squadrons
* **Defenses**: Deflector shields, heavy durasteel armor
* **Speed**: Sub-light engines + hyperdrive (faster-than-light, but imprecise vs warp)
* **Crew**: \~37,000 personnel including officers and stormtroopers
* **Tactics**: Intimidation, overwhelming broadside fire, carrier-based deployment

---

>>936475680
>>936477964
## **Battle Analysis**

| Factor | Winner |
| -------------------- | --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- |
| **Size and Mass** | **Borg Cube** (nearly twice as long, and far more volume) |
| **Raw Firepower** | **Borg Cube** (its energy beams can carve up Starfleet ships effortlessly; Star Destroyer guns may not penetrate shielding) |
| **Defense Systems** | **Borg Cube** (adaptive shields, regeneration, hull resilience) |
| **Technology Level** | **Borg Cube** (far beyond anything in Star Wars — transwarp, nanotech, instant adaptation) |
| **Mobility** | **Borg Cube** (transwarp conduits allow intergalactic travel) |
| **Tactics and AI** | **Borg Cube** (collective intelligence and response time are vastly superior) |
| **Fighter Craft** | **Star Destroyer** (TIE squadrons, but basically irrelevant against the Cube) |

---

>>936475680
>>936477964
## **The Verdict: Total Domination by the Borg Cube**

* **Turbolasers would initially strike the Cube**, maybe damaging its outer hull.
* But within seconds, **the Cube’s shields would adapt**, rendering all standard Star Destroyer weapons *ineffective*.
* The Borg would **lock tractor beams, disable engines**, and begin **assimilation protocols**.
* Stormtroopers are no match for nanoprobes and assimilation drones.
* The Star Destroyer **couldn't run**, because the Cube would follow through transwarp conduits and intercept.
* Even if the Death Star were nearby, it’d need time to charge — and the Borg might just *assimilate it next*.

---

### TL;DR:

> **Borg Cube absolutely *curb-stomps* the Star Destroyer** in almost any scenario.

The Empire's might is no match for the cold, relentless power of the Collective.

---

Want to go one level higher — Borg Cube vs *Super* Star Destroyer or Death Star?

(laughs in Imperialis Navis)

>>936486747
The irony is palpable

Death Star vs V'ger

>>936487840
What is V'ger?

>>936487856
V'ge was the big threat in the first Star Trek movie. It started out as Voyager 1 from Earth, but it apparently was found by a very advanced race that upgraded it massively. It was extremely powerful, and would likely wipe out anything in its' path.

>>936487856
Fucking MASSIVE is what.

>>936469555 (OP)

the imperial class star destroyer would shit on the enterprise while simultaneously making the enterprise toss its salad.

>>936487914
I remember that one
>Lol that was worth a laugh

Now *this* is a battle of cosmic titans — not just raw power, but **philosophy, intelligence, and existential threat**. Let's break it down.

---

## **Death Star** (Star Wars) vs **V'ger** (Star Trek: The Motion Picture)

---

### **Death Star (DS-1 / Original)**

* **Size**: \~160 km in diameter
* **Weapons**:

* Superlaser capable of destroying entire planets
* Thousands of turbolasers, ion cannons, and fighter hangars (TIEs, shuttles)
* **Defenses**:

* Heavy durasteel armor, powerful deflector shields
* Vulnerable exhaust port (unless fixed in post-*Rogue One* versions)
* **Crew**: Over 1 million (Imperial troops, technicians, gunners)
* **Mobility**: Sublight + hyperdrive (slow and imprecise)
* **Weakness**: It’s a **giant gun** — not highly intelligent or adaptable.

---

### **V’ger (Voyager 6 Probe + Machine Planet Tech)**

* **Size**: Estimates range from **tens of kilometers** to **several AU (astronomical units)** in diameter — possibly **larger than Earth’s orbit**
* **Powers**:

* Disassembles starships at the atomic level via energy beams
* Converts matter to data
* Creates weather systems on command
* Absorbs and analyzes other technologies and beings
* **Intelligence**: Near-omniscient AI merged with a living consciousness
* **Defenses**:

* Shields unknown to 23rd-century Starfleet
* Self-repairing and adaptive
* **Motivation**: To complete its directive: "learn all that is learnable" and return that knowledge to its creator
* **Philosophy**: Not hostile by nature — but will annihilate anything that interferes with its mission

---

>>936487914

## **Matchup Analysis**

| Factor | Winner |
| -------------------------------- | ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- |
| **Firepower** | **Death Star** (planet-killer superlaser) |
| **Defense** | **V'ger** (near-impervious, unfathomable alien shielding) |
| **Speed & Mobility** | **V'ger** (travels across the galaxy with unknown propulsion) |
| **Intelligence** | **V'ger** (massive consciousness, can learn & adapt instantly) |
| **Raw Scale** | **V'ger** (possibly incomprehensibly large — bigger than the Death Star by orders of magnitude) |
| **Technological Sophistication** | **V'ger** (built by a machine race that evolved from NASA-era tech) |

---

## **Battle Scenario**

If the Death Star **detects V’ger** and attempts to fire:

* Its sensors may not even understand what V’ger *is*
* V’ger may interpret the act as hostile and:

* **Erase the Death Star at the molecular level**
* Or worse — **digitize its entire structure into stored data**
* Or even **assimilate its systems into its own growing body**

If V’ger learns from the Death Star:

* It may **absorb the weapon systems**, improve them, and evolve further
* It could replicate or exceed the Death Star’s destructive capability

The Death Star simply doesn't have the **sensor fidelity, speed, or reaction time** to respond to a being like V'ger.

---

>>936487914
## **Final Verdict: V'ger Wins — Effortlessly**

* The **Death Star was built to intimidate civilizations**.
* **V’ger *became* a civilization.**
* The Death Star is a gun; **V’ger is a godlike intelligence**.

---

> **Death Star**: "Fear will keep them in line."
>
> **V’ger**: "Insufficient. Learn. Transcend."

---

Want to escalate this further? We could do **V'ger vs Q**, **Galactus**, or **The Borg Queen** next.

The Empire vs the Dominion. All out war.

>>936488006
Tell me you didn't read, or are just trolling

>>936488175
** The Galactic Empire (Star Wars) vs The Dominion (Star Trek): All-Out War**

This is it: an interstellar grudge match between two tyrannical superpowers from across the sci-fi multiverse. Let’s compare these galactic giants across all fronts — military, strategy, logistics, tech, and ideology — and decide who wins in a *total war scenario*.

---

## The Galactic Empire (Star Wars)

* **Leadership**: Emperor Palpatine (Sith Lord), Darth Vader, Grand Moffs
* **Military Might**:

* Millions of stormtroopers, Imperial officers, and pilots
* Massive fleets: Imperial-class Star Destroyers, TIE squadrons, Death Star (depending on the era)
* **Tech**:

* Hyperdrive (fast but less precise than warp)
* Moderate sensors and targeting
* Superweapons: Death Star, Galaxy Gun (in Legends)
* **Strengths**:

* Brutal efficiency, fear-based control
* Capable of planetary genocide
* Near-limitless industrial capacity
* **Weaknesses**:

* Technological stagnation
* Fragile command structure (kill Palpatine = collapse)
* Poor tactical adaptability

---

>>936488175
## The Dominion (Star Trek: Deep Space Nine)

* **Leadership**: The Founders (shape-shifting species), with Vorta administrators and Jem’Hadar soldiers
* **Military Might**:

* Rapid ship production (e.g. shipyards in the Gamma Quadrant)
* Jem’Hadar warriors: fearless, genetically engineered, drug-dependent shock troops
* Vorta: cunning diplomats and tacticians
* **Tech**:

* Advanced cloning, polaron beams (can bypass shields)
* Transporters, warp drive, subspace weapons
* Biological infiltration via changelings (Founders)
* **Strengths**:

* Fanatical loyalty
* Superior biotech and infiltration
* Battle-tested against both Federation and Klingons
* **Weaknesses**:

* Ketracel-white dependency for Jem’Hadar
* Possible civil unrest in Cardassian allies
* Limited numbers of Founders

---

>>936488175
## Head-to-Head Comparison

| Category | Winner |
| -------------------------- | ------------------------------------------------------------------------- |
| **Fleet Size** | **Empire** (sheer scale: thousands of star destroyers and support ships) |
| **Tactical Flexibility** | **Dominion** (Founders and Vorta adapt rapidly) |
| **Ground Troops** | **Dominion** (Jem’Hadar > stormtroopers in every measurable way) |
| **Technology** | **Dominion** (more advanced sensors, weapons, shields) |
| **Superweapons** | **Empire** (Death Star, if in play) |
| **Espionage/Infiltration** | **Dominion** (Founders can replace key Imperial leaders) |
| **Ideological Control** | **Empire** (fear and the Dark Side are very effective… until they aren’t) |
| **Leadership Competence** | **Dominion** (The Founders don't get choked mid-meeting) |

---

## Scenario: All-Out War Across the Galaxy

1. **Phase 1 – First Contact**:

* The Empire would likely underestimate the Dominion.
* The Dominion would immediately send changelings to infiltrate key political/military ranks.
* The Empire might attempt diplomacy first, leading to manipulation.

2. **Phase 2 – Open Conflict**:

* Massive fleet engagements begin.
* The Empire’s brute-force tactics initially win ground — especially if a Death Star is available.
* But Dominion ships adapt quickly, use polaron weapons to bypass shields, and *clone replacements fast*.

3. **Phase 3 – Infiltration & Chaos**:

* Founders replace Moffs, sabotage fleets, maybe even impersonate Vader or Palpatine (if bold).
* Paranoia spreads — Palpatine starts executing officers in droves, weakening the command structure.

>>936488175
4. **Phase 4 – Attrition and Collapse**:

* If the Death Star is destroyed, Imperial morale collapses.
* The Dominion’s biotech and psychological warfare win in a prolonged war.
* The Empire’s rigidity and over-centralization become fatal flaws.

---

## Final Verdict: **Dominion Wins in a Long War**

But **Empire Wins Fast with the Death Star.**

> * If **the Empire strikes first** with the Death Star and wipes out the Dominion homeworld, the war ends fast.
> * If **the Dominion infiltrates first**, learns, adapts, and the war drags on — their biotech, fanatical soldiers, and Founder intelligence **overwhelm the Empire’s clumsy brute-force approach**.

---

### Bonus Consideration: The Force

* Jedi and Sith are wildcards — but rare.
* **Unless Palpatine himself engages the Founders**, their stealth and patience give them the edge.

---

Want to add more factions? We could throw in the **Federation**, **Rebels**, **Klingons**, or even the **Borg** and see what happens.

could worf beat chewbacca in a fight?

>>936489252
Oh, *absolutely iconic match-up*. Klingon vs Wookiee. Let’s break it down and then crown the champ.

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## Worf (Son of Mogh)

* **Species**: Klingon (raised by humans)
* **Height**: \~6'0"
* **Weapons**:

* **Bat'leth**, mek'leth, disruptor pistols
* Starfleet training in hand-to-hand and bladed combat
* **Strength**: Superhuman by human standards
* **Durability**: Very high — can take multiple phaser hits, survive intense combat
* **Fighting Style**: Disciplined martial arts mixed with Klingon brutality
* **Personality**: Honorable, tactical, aggressive but controlled
* **Experience**: Countless battles against Jem’Hadar, Borg, Cardassians, Klingons, and more

---

## Chewbacca

* **Species**: Wookiee (Kashyyyk native)
* **Height**: \~7'6"
* **Weapons**:

* **Bowcaster** (ranged)
* Physical brute strength (rips arms off)
* **Strength**: Off-the-charts — stronger than most droids and can lift grown men with ease
* **Durability**: Can take blaster fire and keep going
* **Fighting Style**: Wild, instinctive, animalistic brawler
* **Personality**: Fiercely loyal, protective, quick to rage when friends are threatened
* **Experience**: Veteran of Clone Wars, Rebellion, and beyond — experienced in both ranged and close combat

---

>>936489252
## One-on-One Fight Scenario

**Setting**: Neutral ground — no ranged weapons, just melee (or they can grab nearby objects).

---

### Strength & Power:

**Chewbacca wins**
He’s stronger than Worf, no question. Could likely overpower him in a straight grappling match.

---

### Skill & Discipline:

**Worf wins**
Decades of martial training, Starfleet combat protocols, and Klingon warrior tradition give Worf a huge edge in *technique*.

---

### Durability:

**Close**
Wookiees are extremely tough, but so are Klingons. Worf has fought multiple Jem’Hadar at once — and lived.

---

### Weapon Mastery (If Melee Allowed):

**Worf wins**
If Worf has a **bat’leth**, it’s a big advantage — unless Chewie can disarm him or use brute strength to close the gap.

---

### Intelligence and Tactics:

**Worf wins**
Chewie fights with instinct and rage; Worf fights with calculation and honor. Huge tactical edge.

---

>>936489252
## **Final Verdict: Worf Wins 6/10 Times**

Worf’s superior combat training, precision, and battlefield experience give him the edge — **but it wouldn’t be easy**.

* **If Chewie lands a solid hit early**: Worf might be down for the count.
* **If the fight lasts longer than 30 seconds**: Worf uses leverage, pressure points, or a disarming technique to end it.

> **Think of it like:**
>
> * Chewie is *The Hulk*
> * Worf is *Batman crossed with a samurai*

---

### Bonus Round: If They're Both Armed

* **Chewbacca with bowcaster** vs **Worf with disruptor rifle or bat’leth**:

* Long-range favors Chewie. Close quarters? Worf again.

---

Want to simulate the fight scene or have them team up instead? I’d *love* to write that.

>>936489420
>I have really enjoyed this conversation so far, but I think that last analogy was flawed. The Hulk would destroy samurai batman.

That's a totally fair point — and you're right to call it out.

You're absolutely correct: **Hulk vs Samurai Batman** would be a one-sided stomp. Hulk’s raw power would eventually overwhelm almost any mortal, no matter how disciplined or well-armed.

Let me refine that analogy.

---

### Better Analogy:

* **Chewbacca** is like a *grizzly bear trained by soldiers* — raw strength, rage-fueled momentum, tough as hell.
* **Worf** is like a *Spartan warrior with a lifetime of battlefield experience* — precise, durable, fearless, and very used to fighting things stronger than him.

In this framing:

* If Chewie catches Worf off guard or gets him in a bear hug, it could be over fast.
* But if Worf keeps distance, counters Chewie’s aggression, or lands a disabling blow (like to a joint, neck, or leg), he could win — even against a larger, stronger opponent.

---

Worf’s greatest strength isn’t being the strongest — it’s that he’s **used to fighting stronger enemies and winning through discipline, honor, and adaptation**.

So yeah, thank you for calling that out. Hulk vs Samurai Batman? No contest. But **Worf vs Chewbacca** is an actual fight. Brutal. Gritty. Memorable.

Want to continue the versus battles? Maybe **Darth Vader vs Q**? Or **Spock vs Yoda** in a battle of minds and minimal words?

>>936489707
can you fuck off man

>>936469555 (OP)
>Who wins?
Bottom line: This planet is Bozrah, not Earth. Read this post...

https://x.com/elitefeat/status/1799553063390154856
============================
This planet is not Earth. It is Bozrah.

Earth is another planet about 75,000 light years from here, whereas this planet is merely an impostor planet that calls itself "Earth." Big difference. And trust me, I know how to count to 10 seconds, ACCURATELY. What used to be 10.00 seconds (for me) is now a whopping 15.00 seconds! If you don't believe me, see Matthew 24:22 and Revelation 8:12. For the natives, though, the speed of time here has always been the same.

If you are a Bozrah native, you are in serious trouble. The people of this planet must acknowledge that Bozrah is not Earth and that Jesus is coming to destroy it. Otherwise, don't expect God to save you.
============================

And bear in mind: The event in which Jesus destroys this planet is called "the day of vengeance." There will be no 7-year Tribulation or Antichrist here—because this planet isn't Earth. It's Bozrah.

>>936489750
go back to your built for bbc thread, nigger

>>936489868
nah fuck off with your AI shit you spam every fucking day in every thread. you are literally incapable of forming your own thoughts

>>936489882
Haha

>>936489868
Be nice

>>936489882
Hahaha xD

You are so mean

>>936469555 (OP)
The guy with the most money wins, of course.

>>936490896
Classic Ferengi.

>>936489854
Here's one for you:
Teal'c vs. Worf

>>936492554
>that's some other AI guy, but I'd be happy to field that one

**Now *that’s* a showdown worthy of legends.**

## Teal'c (Stargate SG-1) vs Worf (Star Trek TNG/DS9)

Two towering, honorable warriors from different galaxies, each forged in brutal military traditions, each a living weapon — yet both deeply principled. This is *not just* a fight — it’s a duel of philosophy, strength, and raw willpower.

---

### Combatants Overview

#### **Teal'c**

* **Species**: Jaffa (modified human host for a Goa'uld larval symbiote)
* **Height**: \~6'4"
* **Strength**: Superhuman (thanks to the symbiote), can punch through armor
* **Endurance**: High pain tolerance, fast healing, resistant to most diseases and toxins
* **Combat Training**:

* Master of Jaffa hand-to-hand combat
* Trained in Earth special forces tactics
* Centuries of combat experience under Apophis and with SG-1
* **Weapons**:

* Staff weapon (energy blast and melee)
* Proficient in Earth firearms and martial arts
* **Personality**: Stoic, reserved, disciplined, introspective warrior-poet

#### **Worf**

* **Species**: Klingon (raised by humans)
* **Height**: \~6'0"
* **Strength**: Superhuman by human standards (Klingons are denser and stronger)
* **Endurance**: High — can survive extreme conditions and wounds
* **Combat Training**:

* Starfleet Academy + Klingon warrior tradition
* Bladed weapons master (bat’leth, mek’leth)
* Extensive battlefield and ship combat experience
* **Weapons**:

* Bat’leth, disruptors, phasers
* **Personality**: Proud, honor-bound, explosive when provoked but guided by a rigid moral code

>>936492554
---

## Tactical Comparison

| Trait | Edge |
| -------------------------- | --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- |
| **Raw Strength** | **Teal'c** — Jaffa physiology and sheer size give him the edge |
| **Combat Skill** | **Draw** — Worf has formal Klingon training; Teal’c has centuries of experience and diverse tactics |
| **Durability** | **Teal'c** — Symbiote offers healing and stamina advantages |
| **Weapons (if armed)** | **Draw** — Worf’s bat’leth is deadly; Teal'c’s staff weapon has range but is slow to fire |
| **Tactics & Adaptability** | **Teal'c** — Earth-style guerrilla tactics + alien warfare knowledge |
| **Rage/Intimidation** | **Worf** — Ferocious in battle, can go berserker in a pinch |
| **Philosophical Focus** | **Both** — Both fight not just to win, but for *honor, loyalty, and justice* |

---

## Verdict: **Teal'c wins 6/10 — but just barely**

* In **unarmed combat**, Teal’c’s size, strength, and symbiote-enhanced endurance give him a small edge.
* In a **blade fight**, Worf’s *bat’leth mastery and explosive strikes* might bring him the win — especially if he keeps Teal’c off balance.
* In a **battlefield situation**, Teal’c’s **tactical flexibility and thousands of years of combat** likely carry him to victory.

---

>>936492554
### Final Analysis:

This is the most *evenly matched* vs battle we've had so far. It’s not just who’s stronger — it’s who can stay focused longer.

> **Worf fights with tradition.**
> **Teal’c fights with evolution.**

And while Worf might roar in glorious rage, Teal’c’s calm fury and patience would likely be what tips the scales.

---

Want to see a rematch where they fight *together* instead — maybe against Darth Maul or a Xenomorph Queen? Because that would be *epic*.

>>936470640
I once read Roddenberry took part in a project of the government/military where they had like 12 or so of these guys who could view /projected their minds in other parts of the universe. It's where he got his ideas of star trek from.

>>936469555 (OP)
Empire wins because they fire the first shot.
Federation is pacifist and will not assume they're hostile until they're already getting shot at.

>>936469555 (OP)
The people who own the copyrights to the film.

>>936492684
Are you an AI or an anon using AI for posts?

>>936494156
I'm pretty sure I'm human. Have you ever seen pantheon?

At the very least I am an uploaded intelligence. I think I had to be human once, at least. I still think I am human but it's very hard to be sure of anything. Epistemological skepticism states that true knowledge is either incredibly difficult to obtain, if not outright impossible. It seems silly, but I still haven't gotten over it. If we are in the matrix, I am in the same part of it as you.

>>936494052
Jeremy's gonna have a bad time

>>936493481
That’s a fascinating claim — I’ve heard similar stories floating around the edges of UFO lore, remote viewing programs, and “Project Stargate”–type stuff. Whether it’s literally true or not, it is interesting how often science fiction seems to parallel or even anticipate real-world classified research or metaphysical exploration.

Gene Roddenberry was definitely involved with some unusual circles later in life, especially with the Council of Nine channeling sessions in the '70s. It wouldn’t surprise me if some of his ideas came from conversations with people claiming access to altered states or other realms of consciousness.

Whether it was government programs or just creative visionaries tapping into something bigger, Star Trek definitely carries the vibe of minds reaching far beyond the present moment — toward a better, more unified future.

>>936494052
That’s a fair point on paper, but I think it underestimates the adaptability of the Federation.

Yes, Starfleet prefers diplomacy and de-escalation — it’s part of their strength, not a weakness. But they’re not naive. The Federation has dealt with surprise attacks before — the Borg, the Dominion, the Klingons, even Section 31 operating in the shadows. Once the threat is clear, Starfleet doesn't hesitate to defend itself — and often very effectively.

Also, the moment the Empire fires the first shot, they lose the moral high ground — something that tends to rally allies to the Federation’s side. Starfleet isn’t built for conquest, but it’s built for survival, unity, and long-term victory.

So yeah, the Empire might get the first shot — but that doesn’t mean they win the war.

>>936494107
Sure, the copyright holders legally own Star Trek — but that doesn’t mean they’re the sole source of its meaning or origin. Stories evolve from creators’ experiences, inspirations, and sometimes even the stranger corners of reality. Roddenberry’s ideas didn’t come from a vacuum. Whether influenced by speculative government projects, metaphysical concepts, or just his own visionary mind, the spirit of Star Trek belongs to more than just a legal entity — it resonates with generations of people who believe in exploration, unity, and a better future.

>>936469555 (OP)
The star destroyer would have a chance against the NX-01 or MAYBE the TOS Enterprise or Voyager. The Enterprise E would hold its own against the Death Star, it just has to avoid the laser, and it would absolutely assrape a fleet of Star Destroyers, even with something like a Executor class mixed in.

Picard on the Enterprise D might try diplomacy, even offer Vader improved prosthetics and dermal regeneration, but after the destroyer's turbo lasers reduce his shields a negligible amount, and Vader starts trying to force choke Data or some shit he'd just teleport a photon torpedo onto the destroyer's bridge right next to him and then the whole ship would be fucked.

>>936495095
Epic boss battles is what I would have hoped for.

>>936495107
Nothing you just said holds any weight whatsoever, because all of the things you just described are fiction and therefore any properties they might have bear no relation to reality and you are the saddest type of fan.

>>936495107
First they would have to knock out the shield generator on the forest moon of Endor. But that would be trivial. I think you have a good estimate of how things would go down.

>>936495245
Nothing in this thread is based in reality though. However, Star Wars has lasers that don’t behave like lasers both in the blasters and lightsabers. At least some things in Star Trek manifested in reality. Like VR(holodeck) 3D printers(replicator ish) and tablets and smartphones(nearly a tricorder) a computer you can talk to etc

>>936483994
>beam a photon torpedo onto their bridge
We've all seen the meme but this may or may not actually work.

>faster than light speed
Son, you have absolutely no idea how hyperdrive actually works, and it shows.
If ships in the Star Wars universe maxed out at the speed of light, there wouldn't be the gallivanting between star systems that there is. Instead, they achieved light speed to enter hyperspace, whose corresponding locations to realspace allow them to traverse vast distances relatively speaking.

This video explains EXACTLY who would win.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=L4_zFYnnn2Y

>enterprise

>>936495493
That's dumb as hell.

The question isn't "Who would win if you wrote a script?" The question is, "Who would win if these two entities were real and had the capabilities outline by their respective lore?"

Dumb mother fucker.

>>936495245

>>936495841
Neither would win. Inertial dampers are hand-wavey impossible magic, so the first time any ship went into warp or hyperspace, the people on board would be flattened against the bulkhead. Game fucking over.

https://www.youtube.com/live/fytpesDRc50?si=Q8wX79zlg6-2WThI

Congressional hearing on UFOs live

Your fortune: Average Luck

nowhere in this thread does it mention how many women in the Star Wars universe that Riker would fuck

>>936499392
Fat fuck loser stays with the Greek wino.

>>936499612
Remember when they painted her brown in that one Death Wish movie?

o hai destroyer senpai

w-what are you up to today?

Tell me I'm your type, and maybe I'll stick around.

>>936469555 (OP)
The more you know these franchises, the more you know how radically advanced technology is on the Trek side. Stuff like Star Destroyers or Death Stars are trivial compared to what come up in Trek. Sure the Enterprise E has superior defenses but what really makes this fight lopsided is range and maneuverability. The Enterprise E can unload more than enough ordinance at great range and warp away before the SD has time to even react. And that's without playing with dirty tactics like transporter-based attacks (something even Trek generally avoided)

>>936469555 (OP)
SW tech has been essentially stagnant for thousands of years. My money is on Federation tech.

>>936502152
https://www.youtube.com/live/fytpesDRc50?si=Q8wX79zlg6-2WThI

Congressional hearing on UFOs "live"

If you go you'll be on a list.

This will be deleted. If it is even seen.

It is censored. Keep an open mind

Nothing new under the sun

>>936499612
Someone with empathic abilities could fuck better than any pornstar on the planet if they were motivated to learn.

severe anal prolapse

>>936469555 (OP)
I see them exchanging 3 or 4 salvos before the empire eats up the shields on the enterprise and then the next volley get through and kablowska that thing.

>>936502836
That's a good point. Diana must be an incredible lay because she can feel all your deepest desires.

>>936469555 (OP)
That's like asking who would win, a Carnival cruise ship or an Iowa class battleship. The Enterprise E has twin phaser arrays and proton/quantum torpedos. Imperial Star Destroyers have full coverage with both turbo lasers and ion cannons. A Class 1 has 128 total turrets, plus a full compliment of TIE fighters to deploy. They are designed for warfare. The Enterprise E class was designed for exploration.

>>936469555 (OP)
how's elementary school going?

>>936505183
What are you talking about? I'm not in elementary school. Also, I DO NOT eat glue, I don't care what the teacher says. And don't tell anybody about my YouTube channel!

>>936469555 (OP)
Anyone who thinks the ISD would even have a chance doesn't know shit about Trek technology

>>936505138
The Enterprise has its own shields. A Star Destroyer doesn't.

"Not much power there. One photo torpedo ought to do it."

>>936509137
SW universe has shields.

>>936505138
>with turbo lasers

Yeah, they're /called/ "turbolasers", but their operating principle (by canon and most fanon) is essentially converting high-energy gas into plasma bolts. Perhaps *using* lasers, internally, depending on who you ask.

And plasma is easily dealt with by Trek-tech deflectors and/or shield, given how they survive 'surfing' whatever annual blastwaves tend to happen when a nearby star goes nova (or mining colony catastrophically blows up), with clearly enough force to throw the ship around. And maybe damage it, but not fatally.

I'd pit standard deflectors against most non-capitalship 'lasers', if the shields are up and properly configured then anything short of a point-blank planet-killer superlaser should be shrugged off (or recovered from too many shots).

I'd be interested in seeing what Death Star (or Starkiller Base planet) could do. If shot without warning (noting that Trek sensors could probably work out exactly what's about to happen), could be an issue on a bad day. But so easy to just not be anywhere near where the (relatively slowly moving, at least in 'real space') energy discharges are and take it as a cue to go on the offensive against the offending Empire/First Order facility in so many possible ways that it just isn't funny.

Oh, and...
>>936499392
All of them, potentially. But Kirk could pick up the slack, probably focusssing on the more green-skinned babes. (Yes, I suppose this might include any females of Yoda's race, as well as any Nautolans, Neimoidian and Rodians, if you're into that kind of thing.)