Are black people really less intelligent, or is this just another propaganda piece spread by insecure white racists?

I've never met an intelligent white person who believes that race is linked to IQ.

>>936643514 (OP)
Statistics on educational performance are easily available. The evidence doesn't lie.

>>936643514 (OP)
IQ is approximately 70-80% genetic, and the difference in intelligence between whites and blacks is one of the most persistent, well documented findings in psychology.
There has never been a successful attempt to close the gap between races.
>propaganda piece spread by insecure white racists
largely an invention of mainstream media
>I've never met an intelligent white person who believes that race is linked to IQ.
Being intelligent doesn't make someone correct. Race-blindness has somehow become a central pillar of white ideology. Race-blind whites are products of a society that is willfully ignorant about race.

>>936643703
Whites keep saying there's "evidence" based on stupid tests they created, then 50 years later we find out they lied and made it up.

They said women were less intelligent than men to stop women's suffrage... white males will say anything to deceive and oppress. Deception and the white man have been best friends for centuries.

They also said brain size was different due to "evidence". That was also a lie.

The only people trying to convince us of this are white men. Take a guess why?

>>936644229
>Whites keep saying there's "evidence" based on stupid tests they created, then 50 years later we find out they lied and made it up.
I assume you're referring to old IQ tests. Those included trivia questions ("what year was America founded," etc.) that are no longer used in modern IQ tests. Modern tests are shown to work across culture.
>They said women were less intelligent than men to stop women's suffrage... white males will say anything to deceive and oppress.
The idea that men are smarter than women predates IQ tests by thousands of years, and is found across asia and the middle east.
Plus most women were not supporters of suffrage at the time, and it was white men who voted to grant women the vote.
>They also said brain size was different due to "evidence". That was also a lie.
Actually, cranial capacity does vary by race. The implications for intelligence are unclear.
>The only people trying to convince us of this are white men. Take a guess why?
Wrong. Race and IQ differences are uncontroversial facts in asian academia.

>>936643514 (OP)
It’s a mix. It’s probably true but it’s not really important enough to matter. The average persons intelligence doesn’t really matter, you exist to lift boxes and click buttons. What matters are the outliers who are rare anyways.

Plus IQ is a retarded meter for measurement anyways.

>>936644569
>Trust us, this test totally proves what we want you to think... it's a flawless test.

This is what they said about the old IQ tests. Soon we'll find out that it doesn't account for things like how different cultures understand language or some stupid shit that whites create arbitrarily.

There was already a case of an "intelligence" test asking people to group kitchen items together. Eg, fruits and veg, utensils, appliances etc. Whites reported that African villagers were too stupid to figure it out while all whites did it, but the African villagers simply grouped the items with which is most likely to be used together. Eg. They grouped the pairing knife with the tomato, the spoon with the ice cream, the microwave popcorn with the popcorn etc. Whereas the white grouped all the cutlery, food and appliances separately.

They make arbitrary rules of logic and then crown themselves king based on it.

>>936644569
>modern tests
Race asides the big issue with the modern tests is that they’re just biased towards people who know what to expect. The questions are pattern recognition, and pattern recognition is something that is easily learned. Since it’s a speed driven test and not a problem solving one, people who are used to patterns that are on the test are going to be quicker to pick up on the solution.

While most schools aren’t teaching these patterns precisely I remember distinctly finding it familiar when I took the test, meaning I’ve almost certainly done similar things or played similar games before hand. I imagine in cultures and areas they’re less likely to have these brain games they’re almost certainly going to have a lower score.

>>936644569
Women show no difference in IQ according to you "new" tests. Which proves it's just a flavor of the week kinda deal with the white man's "evidence". You will create data to suit the current eras world view. It's all lies all the time. The only constantly evident fact that is ever present is the white man's desire to hate and deceive.

>>936643514 (OP)
Absolutely there are differences that can't be explained away by testing bias or even socioeconomic factors. As someone who worked in genetics research for a decade, I can tell you that many, many people are aware of the differences. But if you dare say anything about it in public, your career ends.

>>936645195
Exactly. It's like using an FPS game as a test to determine reflexes, then saying Africans have slow reflexes when they don't perform week. But half the white kids tested grew up playing FortNite while the African children never touched a computer until your "test".

It's a stupid idea.

>>936644820
A 15 point gap is very significant. An IQ below 80 suggests someone will struggle with almost any task in modern life, from filling out paperwork correctly to performing multistep jobs. Less than 10% of whites or asians have such an IQ, whereas almost 50% of blacks have such an IQ.
IQ is one of the best predictors of life outcomes, our best predictor of general intelligence, and a good predictor of a number of traits that affect quality of life.
>>936645010
Stop making strawman arguments.
There was a very clear reason that old IQ tests weren't working, and that is the use of cultural trivia. Modern IQ tests do not include cultural trivia. You're trying to use a decades old test to disprove a completely different kind of test. It's like claiming that no thermometer is correct because your old one was broken.
The tests aren't perfect, but they don't need to be perfect in order to tell us something valuable. I don't need to know the exact strength of an earthquake to know that one is happening. We don't need a perfect measure of intelligence to know that it varies by race in ways that are significant to life outcomes.
>>936645195
What has been repeatedly observed is that training for one IQ test doesn't translate to higher performance on the next. Learning one sort of pattern does not actually translate to easier learning of another pattern.
>>936645310
see above.
You are suggesting that one test invalidates a completely different kind of test.
The problems of decades old IQ tests do not apply to modern IQ tests.

>>936645520
see >>936645520

>>936643514 (OP)
Good to see more Democrats supporting blacks and jews together forever. A true match made in heaven.

>>936643514 (OP)
Pigs and niggers both have low IQs just like those who worship either group so as well, why else do you think the 2 lowest IQ groups have so much conflict with one another? The world is not big enough when a cops main character syndrome wussy beta crap comes into contact with the GIANT chip the ghetto monkey nigger has on his shoulder. I hope they kill one another. But go play over there retards.

>>936645483
Show me the gene that makes you intelligent and show me that it is more common in whites.

Your career will obviously end if you believe in unscientific things. An intelligent person would have known that.

>>936645627
Hi comrade Chang.

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>>936645553
The point was that we will come to find out what flaws these current "superior reliable trust me I'm a white man" IQ tests of today have in the future.

Nobody smart is wasting their time on these studies because they know it is unscientific conceptually.

>>936643566
the gods must be crazy

>>936645800
>The point was that we will come to find out what flaws these current "superior reliable trust me I'm a white man" IQ tests of today have in the future.
You have no evidence of that, except the assumption that modern tests share the same flaw as old tests. Only the demonstrably do not share the same flaw.
>Nobody smart is wasting their time on these studies because they know it is unscientific conceptually.
1. assuming something is unscientific without studying it is, in principle, unscientific.
2. Smart people ARE studying these things. They are the ones making modern IQ tests and doing studies that show a persistent difference in IQ across race. You are saying something is not happening when this entire thread is about the fact that it is happening.

>>936645749
"Known to makes me smarts"
Whites will literally invent the vaguest of buzzwords to make themselves feel superior and deceive others. Anything but an honest days work I suppose.

Yeah there are many people that have those genes and are dumb as fuck. Whites also are 600% more likely to have low melanin levels. Guess what? I just proved melanin makes you dumb. Check he IQ tests! White science wins again.

>>936645582
this post was made by a white person, must be an exception

>>936643514 (OP)
IQ is still a very difficult to understand and define measure of human capability. While it is true that certain groups of humans show higher or lower average trends in measures of IQ it's important to remember that even for an individual IQ varies throughout their life. The average IQ for black people does appear to be lower than other groups, and this could explain why even in a perfect meritocracy you might find fewer black people in certain areas and roles than you do for other ethnic groups. However it says nothing about any particular person regardless of their race. You absolutely do find intelligent black people, and even black geniuses - just as you find white/asian/middle eastern/etc/etc/ geniuses, average people, and retards.

>tl;dr - there is no one single black person, or white person, or yellow person, etc
>Given that there is a genetic component to IQ you will see different results for different ethnicities even in perfectly meritocratic set ups
>Even with the above stipulation it is reasonable to expect fewer black people will adopt and excel in roles that require high IQ, just as you wouldn't expect every single white or east-asian person to be a genius.

>>936645985
You're making the assumption that your test is flawless. Like I said, whites always promise that this "new test" is perfect... but in reality it's crafted to push their current agenda. We know it's not an accurate indicator of intelligence and actually intelligent people have documented its flaws, which is why no smart people are studying this. You only get psuedoscientists trying to push an agenda. Just Graham Hancock's of psychology and biology trying to push their preconceived world view.

>>936643514 (OP)
They are not less intelligent; they have a lower IQ.
Yes, here is a difference.

Where one loses IQ points one gains function in other areas, also determinable as intelligence.

IQ tests are primarily indicators of conformity potential with academia.

Having an 147IQ I know my intelligence is incorrectly measured by IQ tests, and in fact, the diversity of intelligence in general means no test will ever be adequate to interpret the totality of it.

I am not going to debate this; these are my findings, and if you require further information, use your intelligence to firstly believe I might be right and secondly develop the arguments that prove it.

>>936646273
Your position only makes sense if we assume that 'white people' are inherently and irreducibly malicious, evil, and racist. How do you account for that assumption?

>>936646052
you are a nigger and everyone knows it

niggers are subhuman just look at africa

>>936646052
Is this bait?
>Yeah there are many people that have those genes and are dumb as fuck.
Because intelligence is a complex trait. If you need an example, think about your height. if there were a tall gene or a short gene, there would only be two human heights: tall and short. Instead, there are many genes that make you taller or shorter. If you 90% tall genes you'll be very tall. If you have 30% tall genes you'll be a little bit short.
It's not one gene, but the combination of genes that decides intelligence. Whites are more likely to have genes that increase intelligence, and the combination of those genes makes whites as a group more intelligent than blacks as a group.
>>936646273
>You're making the assumption that your test is flawless
No, as I already explained the test doesn't need to be perfect. It only needs to be good enough to provide valuable insight into something real. A thermometer can be a degree or too off from the true temperature, but it can still tell you if you've got a significant fever. IQ tests are the same.
You are saying that IQ tests should be disregarded without evidence that they are wrong, on the assumption that they are so wrong that their results are meaningless.
>but in reality it's crafted to push their current agenda
If they were designed to push a narrative, they would find no difference between races, because that's what the Western elite want to find.
>We know it's not an accurate indicator of intelligence
Wrong. We know it is the best predictor of general intelligent available to us.
>actually intelligent people have documented its flaws
Wrong. They've documented the flaws of old IQ tests, which are not the same as modern ones.
>which is why no smart people are studying this
Smart people are studying this.
>You only get psuedoscientists trying to push an agenda.
IQ tests are the most widely accepted form of intelligence test, and the race gap is one of the best documented phenomena in intelligence.

>>936645749
>this level of rekt

>>936643514 (OP)
>I've never met an intelligent white person who believes that race is linked to IQ.
Meet James Watson, Nobel prizewinner.

>>936646922
Yeah but if he was so smart why did he lose his intelligence prize?
Checkmate racists.

im glad im not a nigger and dont have to live around them

>>936643566
fpbp

>>936643514 (OP)
>I've never met an intelligent white person who believes that race is linked to IQ.
I know race is related to IQ.
In school you kinda notice whites and asians outperform others. In university you catch staff involved with pushing grades and exceptions for both ethnics and sports'tards.
Earned my mech eng, got to work in manufacturing at different companies. Continued schooling and added civil engineering because it is a more stable field, and while bouncing around architectural forms for a few years added a bachelors in psychology to my list of confirmed skills.
Some advanced education advice; read through the textbooks during the first week of a course most of it will stick in the subconscious, and test out of any class you can (half to 2/3rds for me) it really accelerates the degree program.
So I'm now working engineering, changing company every few years, eventually get a reputation and history enough to work as a business consultant... get to see even more varieties of people in action in many different jobs.
Blah blah blah tl'dr
My top three documented results:
CEO/owner/site-administrator/etc are bigoted douchebags who speak well but have really really low practical and technical expertise, the more meetings they hold the less capable and skilled they are.
The quiet workers who cause no problems steadily working productively are the most intelligent, they don't brag about it.
Blacks and latinos should be kept to reasonably simple jobs without high skills required, training them in all departments at a company dramatically reduces their performance, and avoid putting them in positions of control and responsibility; they will abuse their authority.

>>936646990
Woke DEI agenda cancel cultured him. He was attacked by low IQ ideals.

>>936650872
If he was so smart he wouldn’t have maneuvered it as he did.

Checkmate republicans