What Makes It So Wrong?

>>936855674 (OP)
The inherent power dynamics of the family
Consent requires the freedom to say no without threat of consequence
If you rely on your family for anything, which most people do, then your ability to say no freely is compromised. You're forced to wonder if saying yes or no will in any way alter your relationship with that family member, whom you rely on
It's too hard to codify into law a metric by which one could know whether it's possible in a given family for consent to be freely given, so a blanket ban is reasonable, because at least it's enforceable
That said, it's at least theoretically possible for consent to be truly given, in which case it would be morally fine
There's nothing inherently morally wrong with related people fucking if it's really consensual, it's just so hard to know whether it's really consensual that making it illegal is the sensible response

Get a vasectomy, then have at her as long as she's at least the local age of consent. That would be 16, 17, or 18, depending on the state.

>>936855674 (OP)
Because my wife does not want to share me

>>936856293
Why does it matter what she wants?

>>936855674 (OP)
genetic diversity is vital for healthy offspring. in breeding reinforces negative genetic traits and causes a whole host of health issues.
our instincts are trained to avoid incest. we find the smell of our close relatives sexually off putting.
and socialogically, it opens a lot of people up to abuse. the power dynamics within family groups make informed consent very difficult.

>>936856316
Because I live her and want her involved?

>>936855674 (OP)
Sauce on the gif please.

>>936856577
*love

>>936856582
Taken from the film Porkys. thats Kim Catrell or whatever her name is, Lassie

>>936856617
>Kim Catrell
Thanks bro.

>Eugenics = Bad
>Goes on to make eugenic argument against incest
>Incest = Gross
>Goes on to push faggotry, furries, diaper fags and other disgusting fetish shit
Never understood the perplexing hypocrisy among those in power and the masses that they've conditioned.

Moralfags and incest babies.

>>936855674 (OP)
Kim Cattrall was so fucking hot.

>>936856535
>family "tree" becomes a bamboo stalk

Best case scenario the kid is going to need glasses.

Worst case scenario you're stuck caring for an alien failing to thrive on planet earth.

Regardless of either situation. There is a high chance you will bring dishonor to your family as well.

>>936855674 (OP)
Simply cuz people are dumb enough to fuck their relatives and impregnate/get pregnant from them leading to fucked up babies (genetically speaking)

>>936855674 (OP)
My sister and I hooked up for a few years in our teens. It fucked us up socially and romantically. She ended up in therapy in her 20s, I still don’t understand why but it does fuck you up. I can’t hold a relationship, it affects us more than we realize.

>>936855674 (OP)
because it's nasty

>>936860151
>It fucked us up socially
how exactly? why did you allow yourselves to get fucked by the guilt trip that much?

>>936856069
>Built a wall of text with the assumption that "family" means dependence
We used to enslave your kind, your freedom is reason we don't have nice things anymore.

>>936860537
She has all these anxiety issues she blames me for. That’s what gave me the guilt. What I don’t understand is she was just as willing and into it as I was. The only thing about me that’s fucked up is I can’t find a woman I feel is more attractive or better than my sister.

>>936860537
>why did you allow yourselves to get fucked by the guilt trip that much?
Holy leading question that assumes that a guilt trip coming from other people would be the only possible issue batman.

>>936860407
Then why isn't every nasty thing banned and called out for what it is

>>936860860
There are levels of nasty and bad anon.

>>936855674 (OP)
Hot

i can't prove it to you so who cares, but i have a real life buddy that re-connected with his birth mom our senior year in high school and ended up fucking her several times.
not very many people know for obvious reasons.
he claims it didn't fuck him up but he's also a raging alcoholic now so... shrug.

>>936860779
I didn’t have any guilt until she blamed me for her issues. I never wanted to hurt her, and it didn’t seem like I was when we were doing it.

>>936862744
I wasn't giving you shit anon, you were just sharing how it went wrong for you.
I was giving the other anon shit for framing it in a way where it could only go wrong because outside people were influencing you with shame. That is one scenario but incest can fuck up in many other ways too, like your sister feeling bad about her equal share in it and then opting to blame you for all of it instead for instance.

>>936862828
I’m sure that’s what it was, her feeling guilty about her part. We had such a fun arrangement and she initiated almost as much as I did up until the last six months or so. Like something flipped in her. Then her telling me it was my fault broke me.

>>936862984
How did it start though?

>>936863053
We showered together as kids, so we were really comfortable around each other naked. When would be home alone we spent a lot of time just hanging out, talking and watching movies. The sex scene in bad Santa turned her on and she imitated it on me. It just escalated from there.

>>936863364
>he sex scene in bad Santa turned her on and she imitated it on me. It just escalated from there.
Sounds like you both share the same amount of responsibility for it then, her for initiating it and you for going along with it.
Her anxiety issues from it are likely real, but if she is handing all of the blame for them onto you, she is indulging herself in some delusion where her initiating sex with you was your fault.

>>936855674 (OP)

Inbreeding... inbreeding is why it's frowned on. Look at the Habsburgs.

>>936855674 (OP)
Because it will make retarded babies

>>936855674 (OP)
Well if you want the honest truth. Certain religions banned it due to when close family members have children there children have defects. So they just decided to slap this in the rules of god! As a means to prevent this from happening. Then once humankind got more stable and laws started governing things. It just fallowed as the gods rules are top tear . So thats why its against the law. But honestly i feel if a family member and a family member are in love they should allowed to be. under one condition.. One of them has to get fixed to prevent having children. As the birth defect thing is 100% REAL and not right for the child.. as they did not choose to be born so playing roulette With there life's is not correct.. but thats just the rambling of some old fag whos been on this dam site for way too many years now..

>>936863569
That’s how I justify it. Like I figured she projected her guilt onto me when all I did was go along with it. She never told anyone that I know of, but I still feel bad. Still though, I dream of her in that white tshirt and silk panties she used to wear around for me.

>>936863612
>Look at the Habsburgs.
Just check out some of their more recent descendants in this pic, Count Ingolf and his sister Princess Elizabeth.

>>936863730
Did she ever play along with the idea that no other girls could compare to her while you were actively doing this?
Because if so, you could counter her guilt transference by pointing out that she screwed over your pair bonding instincts.

>>936863853
Yes, she got off on me telling her how much better she is than other girls. Like I took another girl to a dance and after she asked me like “who’s hotter?” “Would she do this for you” while blowing me, etc. But she would also tell me I was the best and nobody compares to me too.

>>936864071
Yeah, that would screw you up just like you said it did.
When she blames you for stuff does she do it based on you being the guy and that you should have known better?
Also did this stuff where you are to blame come up before or after she went to therapy?

>>936864140
I was older so I should’ve known better and such. After she started. So she started having anxiety/panic stuff so our parents put her in therapy. We were both over 18 at the time so they didn’t give our parents any details but I think the therapist came to the conclusion that I was the root of the problem.

>>936864281
>I was older so I should’ve known better and such.
How much older?
Boy mature slower than girls, so if you are close in age you were likely at the same maturity level mentally.
>After she started. So she started having anxiety/panic stuff so our parents put her in therapy.
Yeah I suspected that.
>We were both over 18 at the time so they didn’t give our parents any details but I think the therapist came to the conclusion that I was the root of the problem.
You alone or you and your sister relationship was considered that?
If you alone, that is a piss poor therapist that is missing the part where your sister is also a moral agent and will likely not be able to help her reconfigure her anxiety issues.

>>936864472
16 months older. So yes, we are close in age.

The sexual relationship in general. From what I understand the therapist said I took advantage of her hormonal urges and none of it was her fault. Yeah it’s like she had no agency at all and everything that happened was not her doing. Victim mentality bs.

>>936864562
>16 months older. So yes, we are close in age.
Then you most likely had the same maturity level and have an equal amount of responsibility for what happened between you.
> From what I understand the therapist said I took advantage of her hormonal urges
Just like she took advantage of your hormonal urges.
>and none of it was her fault.
Sounds like this therapist let their politics influence their treatment.
>Yeah it’s like she had no agency at all and everything that happened was not her doing. >Victim mentality bs.
Yeah she owns 50% of the responsibility for what happened and I don't think it would be unreasonable of you to let her know, that she wasn't the only one who came out of that situation with issues.
Just make sure that you are clear on owning your half of the responsibility, while calmly requesting her to to take ownership of her half if it does come to a confrontation.

This is making me so wet/hot.
My lips are throbbing n hard.

I'm a girl BTW;)

>>936864895
>I'm a girl BTW;)

I want to munch on my mom’s asshole and spread it and plunge my tongue in as deep as I can. I want to my own mothers anal worship slave

>>936855674 (OP)
It's not. Go to any red state, and there is plenty of it

>>936864784
I’m not kicking the hornets nest with her. It’s been so long. Sure I’d like to go back to then, or start again but I’m not bringing it up and risking her telling someone.

But you’re right. What 16 year old guy wouldn’t want that kind of stuff with a girl just as willing and excited about it? I know it’s not me, I just feel bad it ended like it did.

>>936865185
>Sure I’d like to go back to then, or start again but I’m not bringing it up and risking her telling someone.
I was more thinking about her and you being able to heal by realizing that you both fucked up. I wouldn't recommend that you engage sexually or romantically ever again.
>But you’re right. What 16 year old guy wouldn’t want that kind of stuff with a girl just as willing and excited about it?
Sure, you'd just hope it wasn't his sister.
>I know it’s not me, I just feel bad it ended like it did.
It could have ended worse, you could have been imprisoned and ostracized from your family and friends if she had decided throw you under the bus.

>>936860653
It's neat seeing a retard try to read/understand something longer than a few sentences.
What is it you thought my post was saying? Because your reply is incoherent as a response to what I actually wrote.

>>936865407
Fuck off retard, family has nothing to do with dependence.

>>936867038
I'll ask again, because one has to be patient with the mentally challenged:
What was it you thought my post said?

>>936860407
Reasonable argument in some cases but not all.
I have zero sexual attraction for any of my close family. However I find it very hot idea for others.

The Bible says it is wrong.

That's it.

Other than that, what would be the problem? The kids will come out messed up? So don't have kids.

Sometimes things are immoral just because the Big Man says so.

Same thing about gays.

>>936855674 (OP)
bad material results in transcription errors, like copying the same photo a bunch of times becomes hard to read.
bad material and a different photo is a much better facsimile than repeatedly compounding errors.
inb4 it is the trna mrna rrna that makes error
that is old crap it is mitochondria protein production error not a transcription error.
AI should have transcription and material error from less than 100% splices and electron lock up in silicone, AI is fucked and man should be expanding outward to increase differential between ai responses, to avoid digital cancer.

>>936867542
>Same thing about gays.
Oh come on, the Bible is right about them

>>936865321
I’m not bringing it up. It’s not even worth trying to defend myself. I don’t want her holding it over my head. We’re cordial and I don’t need anything more.

> Sure, you'd just hope it wasn't his sister.

But that made it so much better dude. Like insanely exciting.

>>936868084
>But that made it so much better dude. Like insanely exciting.
Work on that shit anon, that is the fallout on your part talking.
Loving a woman and pumping babies into her isn't supposed to come with a thrilling feeling of taboo, it's supposed to feel right, gratifying and without shame.
Find the love that does that to you, instead of getting distracted by the lust that keeps you alone.

>>936867542
I think you're presuming consent. If we're only talking about consensual incest, then I can agree with you, but a lot of the reason incest is criminalized is because of how easily power structures within a family could allow some individuals to apply pressure to coerce others into agreeing to sexual acts they don't really want to perform.
It's the same reason sex is often disallowed or criminalized between other persons with an inherent power imbalance. Teacher and student, boss and employee, warden and prisoner, etc. A strong authority bias makes free consent difficult if not impossible, and families usually contain some form of authority bias.

>>936868454
+1

>>936868280
And that’s what fucked me up. The idea and experience of sex being so taboo and wrong. Like it’s takes forever for me to get turned on with other women. But my sister would give me that look or flash her ass at me and I’d be diamonds.

>>936869186
Find a chick that likes to have sex in risky places then, find a kink that feels similar that you can share with a woman who isn't your sister.

>>936868454
Sex between a teacher and an adult student isn't illegal in most jurisdictions. In some, a 16 year old is old enough to consent, but an 18 year is old enough to consent if the other party is a teacher. But typically, age is the factor, not "power dynamics" in teacher cases.

Sex between an employer and an employee is perfectly legal in most cases. HR might have a word because of concern for civil damages if the employee later claims coercion. But there's no criminal statute I'm aware of categorically making sex between an employer and an employee illegal.

If the issue is consent, say that rape is illegal, not that specific classes of sex are illegal because of a concern of rape.

I don't think there's a phenomenal basis to make incest illegal other than morality - which, IMHO, is a phenomenal reason in and of itself.

>>936869424
I’ve been trying. It’s just not the same.

>>936869641
>It’s just not the same.
It's never going to be the same, heck that's true for every chick you fuck and end up breaking up with. The next chick is never going to be the same as the previous chick.
Don't look for your sister in other women, look for other women.

>>936856535
You're half-right.

Inbreeding isn't an issue because it "reinforces bad genetic traits". Well kinda, but not this generalized.
It's really quite simple. The same way blonde hair is a recessive trait that you only get when both parents have it, people through random chance have a lot of recessive mutations that would be detrimental to life-threatening if there were a full pair of them. And since you and your close relatives share a lot of genetic material, you have incredible high chances of such pairs to occur.
That's it. If we could do prenatal gene editing you could impregnate your sister and we could correct those degenerate traits before your unholy spawn leaves her tainted womb as fully developed abomination. But obviously, in nature the best we can do is prevent this degeneracy from happening, hence you find your close relatives sexually repulsive. But like pedos, homos and others showcase, there are enough people with abnormal sexual behaviors that disregard what's healthy and give in to destructive urges.

I'm more amazed that we as a species are so god damn fascinated with every sexual taboo. Even though I can't seem to find the evolutionary reason, people are absolutely fixated on every form of sexual deviancy. I have suspicions why this is, but those are not underpinned with scientific rigor as of yet.

>>936860662
It's pretty easy actually. Your sister is a shitty person that instead of realizing that we all deal with anxiety thinks her inability to act like an adult has to be someone else's fault, as if growing up mentally would happen automatically and doesn't require conscious effort.
She then selects you as the obvious scapegoat and will then blame you for years until when she gets old and her youth fades she gets desperate and angry that no matter how much she blames external factors this doesn't alleviate her problems. She'll likely have some form of breakdown, and either she'll come out of it a broken, irredeemable person, or she comes to her senses and figures out the person ruining her life is herself.

You on the other hand are just a retard. You still want to fuck her, you clearly still got feelings for her, and that will not go away simply because you hook up with some other chick you dimwit.

The simple answer is to cut her out of your life until your dick is fixated on some other women. Maybe as a plus point that might help her fix her own life.

>>936862828
Guilt is mostly exogenous so yes, it comes from other people

>>936855674 (OP)
I believe we are 15-20 years away from a billionaire openly breeding his daughter. Some kind of IVF so no duds, and likely at least the story will be that he doesn't actually fuck her (and who knows, maybe he doesn't).

>>936872996
Sure, but that wasn't the point I was driving for.
My point was that it is not only shame incurred from other people that can turn incest into something traumatic for a person.

>>936863615
I'm a retard and my parents are not related

>>936873252
It's like 90/10, in this case a feminist therapist trying to blame the brother because boys are to blame

>>936855674 (OP)
Tried it with my mom. She didn't do anything but didnt object either. Managed to creep my fingers between her buns, came quickly hands free after that. Felt like throwing myself off the cliff from post nut clarity.

>>936873880
Yeah, but the anxiety was a thing before the therapy, the therapy just compounded the issue.

>>936873921
>Felt like throwing myself off the cliff from post nut clarity.
Do a flip faggot.

>>936873980
Your mom didn't even let you touch her with a pole so, once you overcome that maybe then try to judge

>>936855674 (OP)
My sister and I used to lay naked on top of each other as kids

>>936874088
I've never attempted to fuck my mom, because I have never wanted to do that in the first place.
I can judge you because I in fact haven't sexually molested my own mother.

>>936874235
>I can judge you because I in fact haven't sexually molested my own mother.
That makes zero sense

>>936874278
You have violated your mom, I haven't violated my mom, that means I have the better moral position to judge you.

>>936874413
We were both willing participants. Also you lurk this thread so you dont have any moral superiority either.

>>936855674 (OP)
Only works if they are hot, sisters and cousins only, mom attraction is mental illness.

Also it needs to be consensual and non penetrative to prevent inbreeding

>>936874528
>Also you lurk this thread so you dont have any moral superiority either.
Thief thinks every man steals.

>>936874602
Nice copout faggot, false analogy

>>936874923
>Things that I don't agree with are false
>That way I don't have to think about them

>>936856144
Imagine not wanting to impregnate your daughter.

My mom drunkenly invited me to bed once, years ago now. I had no idea how to react, just kind of froze.
I kind of tell myself she was just drunk and making a bad joke to keep myself sane but i still dwell on it for whatever weird pervy reason.

>>936878547
Tell me you you creampied every of her holes.

>>936855674 (OP)
my cousin and I have been together 27 years. we moved to a city where we knew noone bc of social stigma. Our parents are cool with it tho.