I'm not talking about a crypto-like system.

Nor about credit cards.

I'm talking about something truly revolutionary.

The goal is to achieve framework optimization to escape the canonical monopoly.

To achieve this, all that's needed is to create a PRICON model of economic dynamics.

I can do it because I am a genius.

You can participate in this thread if you find this initiative interesting.

you're just making another fiat system we need real money. gold and silver coins in hand. we figured out putting the ridges on the edge a long time ago to keep the jew honest.

>>937586584
My approach is strongly conceptual, prior to all current economic models. From this foundation, I aim to build praxis.

Let me think...

>>937586783
we need to be prospectormaxxing. there's gold in them there hills.

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Everybody learns a trade

Everybody exchanges their work for others work as needed

Repeat

Raw elucubrations. I need to polish them. But I think you can understand the idea.

I use paint because it allows free expression, something you don’t get from just the written medium.

>>937586853
if you have money you will have access to information and technology

>>937588590
you're right we can use our water technology to blast giant holes into the mountains with high pressure and then sift out the gold when we're done

>>937587879
but just like communism some trades are more equal than others as a motor vehicle tech who spent 5 yrs training I wouldn't rebuild someones car engine just because they unblocked my drains

prior to nationstates making fiat viable (when general use paper money was the dream but lacked security so they would fall back on metals) and everyday transactions were simply too small in value to be done with coin the goto was for vendors (butchers bakers etc) to issue their own credit with tallysticks or coupons or a simple handwritten cheque. it was fiats everywhere.

Bart simpson

>>937586520 (OP)

Nah, we don't need Blockchain or cryptocurrency or fiat currency or material tokens (monay).

We have the accounting and sensory and predictive capacity now to barter yeah time on a materials-transformation and -servicing basis.

For example:

I am wearing a shirt.
It is made of cotton.
This cotton may be rolled, burned, mulched, etcetera, consistent whenever6 decomposed, and particular transformation reconstructing or reconstituting said cotton into she other useful product.

Extend this to whatever materials your have in your possession or on public land. Install the BarterNoveau app, last your knowledge of working with materials and be what you have, and ask for property in exchange for some good or service, directly. No need for fiat, no need for taxes, no need for fraud or trafficking.

This is the basis for the economic model in Star Trek.

It's pist-socialism and post-capitalism, even post-communism.

From here, we kill all the niggers, spucs, jooz, and indians, they didn't build this shit, we did, fuck them

>>937595547
Um... since I'm an obsessive meta-deconstructionist, I don't like to delve into the "economic" discipline without first having defined, even if only in a very rudimentary way, a provisional space-time model to be able to create interactive agents with rigor. Although I believe that using the "promise" of a simple model inspired by 3D cellular automata theory will suffice for now.

There exists a 3D matrix in which, according to certain rules [akin to natural laws], the cells change.

An arbitrary and nearby group of active cells defines an object.
Etc...

With that clarified, I think your approach is too high-level. That is, you're using non-primitive concepts in your expressive system. My approach seeks to define things like "autonomous agent", "need", etc.

>>937595547
>citing Star Trek
Cringe
>we kill all the niggers, spucs, jooz, and indians
1, what's wrong with Spics and Jews?
2, why not send them back to where they came from/segregate them? Why does it have to be violence?

>>937596254
>why not send them back to where they came from/segregate them?
Probably because they don't want to go back.

>>937596592
I mean you already want to use violence on them. Why not just make them go back or segregate by force?

>>937596754
I'm not advocating violence, I'm just attempting to answer your question. I'm nta.

To answer your second question, segregate by force, I assume that you would need consent from your population by a very large majority. Otherwise you end up with riots like we've all seen before.

>>937588495
I audibly laughed at this
Reminds me of time cube

>>937597150
That’s a valid reaction to non-canonical ideas that lack immediate applicability. If you want, you can ask questions to check whether they’re nonsense or not.

I have been thinking about a better economic system too. I have just been breaking it down and where things fall apart:
You have
Resources > Creation > Product
Time > Education > Services

So by the time you purchase a product it has passed through so many people that want a cut and even 1 or 2 people that get greedy because no one can stop them, so a product inflates in price each time. Some products are so expensive that debt is inevitable.

When you want a service from a worker, you have to educate or train them, which takes time and thus money, usually debt.

The only way I can think of to make this system better is to cut out all the middlemen, and speed up education or automate services with robots. None of these things are possible currently with our existing infrastructure.

>>937597315
The difference between schizo-derailments and non-arbitrary novelties is the semantic overflow of expressive systems.

>>937596878
>I'm not advocating violence
Are you a different Anon from the one I was talking to originally? Cause he was definitely advocating for violence.
>nta
idk what that means
>segregate by force, I assume that you would need consent from your population by a very large majority. Otherwise you end up with riots like we've all seen before
Wouldn't this also be the case if we resorted to genocide? I'd rather just take the moral option.

>>937597523
>>nta
>idk what that means
not that anon

>>937597348
What is ECONOMICS anyway?
In my developing framework, I consider the following elements:

UNIVERSE: a discrete 3D matrix with continuous chronological delta, where CELLS can be either 1 or 0. Divine LAWS determine the nature of the change patterns.

OBJECT: a set of spatially 'connected' cells with arbitrary distribution.

COHERENT OBJECT: an object that is not only spatially connected, but also chronologically connected.

SENSITIVE OBJECT: a coherent object whose internal cell distribution enables sensation. This is somewhat complex, but let’s say that certain patterns allow for things like vision, smell, etc.

CONSCIOUS OBJECT: a sensitive object whose high sensory potential enables FREE_WILL.

Let me think about the other elements...

>>937597817
Explain how your elements relate to economics.

>>937597922
These are the primitive concepts, foundational building blocks. From them, you can construct things like: mutual interest, intermediary object, or healthiness <death'life>

I’m a conceptual primitivist; my ontological view is built from logical-intuitive primitives.

>>937586520 (OP)
The main issue with command economists is that they don't consider politics. The conflicting goals of GDPmaxxing, equalitymaxxing, and QOLmaxxing cannot be resolved without considering politics. Case in point: Sweden and Germany have great economies, with free education, free healthcare, upward mobility, low unemployment, and pretty much all the things that democratic socialism promises. Yet their economists did not factor in the implicit benefits of a high trust, homogeneous, White society. Now they're dealing with migrant rape. Before you try to fix the economy, you have to figure out what you intend to do with the undesirables. Stand for something, or fall for anything.

>>937598112
You just seem to be making it more complicated than it needs to be. This >>937598112 doesn't even clue me in to how economics factor in. The fuck does cells or senses have to do with economics? We are talking about a better monetary system right?

>>937597726
Ok, got it. Admittedly, I am a Newfag lol.

>>937598211
How can we create an economic model without first defining,even at a purely symbolic level, the factors involved?
It’s not necessary to define how a heart or intestine works, but it is necessary to define things like human free will, need, and a bit of gestalt.
That’s the problem with the economic canon: it contains too many gaps, and too many assumptions are taken for granted.
Because of this lack of rigor, there are so many frameworks that are mutually inconsistent.

By the way, my approach is interdisciplinary, I don't draw hard lines between politics, mathematics, or economics.

Regarding higher level structures related to economics... let me think. I'm thinking live after all!

I am physicist, your idea is too raw, what you need to do is to make a cryptocoin that keep the genii coefficient in a way to max equality, just that. Also read, toward a new socialism by paul cookshot, and read what is life by Schrodinger. Talk to chat gpt, you need to max the the degree of freedom for society, that would be the total sum of the degrees of freedom for each individual, that means, if some action take freedom from other individuals it would only be allowed if it make the total sum of degrees of freedom higher, which is highly unprobable. Societies needs to max free energy capture and total degrees of freedom.

>>937598827
Also, I been with a lot of narcissist and egocentric people at university seek help, you are probably one of those. You don't know as much you think, and your also not as intelligent you think, and even if you were, you are just a tiny ant compared to things outside your galaxy, we are nothing, our specie is so boring, none came to visit us yet. We all should die in nuclear holocaust, we are a sad mediocre species doomed to be governed by stupid leaders that use us for their benefit, we should revolt and kill them all, hopefully some day we will find a way out of the this hell of revolution, dictatorship, new elites growing, stability, inequality, and revolution again and all over again. We are trapped in the human condition, only a skynet can save us.

Also, this is the closest we probably can get to what I envisioned.
https://www.turing.ac.uk

>>937589294
>more equal
Without your drains unblocked you're swimming in shit. Seems your valuation has more to do with ego than practicality.
Sort of the problem with capitalism. There's far more ego and ethical relativism affecting prices than economists would like to admit.

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>>937598827
If you want to get down to primitives, the fundamental economic unit is Time.