Thread 942312145

Hello, I am "classically enlightened" like the buddha was or countless other people. First I should explain what enlightenment is. It has quite literally nothing to do with any kind of magic or mythology. its all categorically wrong and actually believing such nonsense is a symptom of not being enlightened.

Enlightenment is simply noticing that you aren't your thoughts and experiences. You are rather the experiencer. You have precisely zero agency. You can't do anything. You only notice. That's the only verb you are capable of. Things just happen, nothing happens to "you" but because there is no "you". the existence of a "you" is confusion. Through meditation, or just noticing, you can discover this (tragically) extremely obvious fact. Belief is not required because you will notice it for yourself the moment you start looking, and I am here to help you with this. lets start.

First, think of a city. any city. notice that the answer just appears in your mind. If you were to ask "why did I think of this city?" more thoughts would just appear in your mind. But you aren't thinking them. They just appear in your awareness. In order to actually be the author of a thought, how could it possibly just pop up? there'd have to be some weird infinite regress where you think about what you're going to think about before you think it, and on and on. but this is actually reversed. You think a thought, and then more thinking happens afterward to explain and create a narrative around why "you" thought something. Just notice that its backwards. You thought of a city, and then AFTER you came up with a story about why you thought that city. A story is all it is.

You are stuck in an illusion of the thought world. Just notice that thoughts are not reality, but rather a layer the mind is placing on top of experience. This is a good first step. there's much more, but eventually you can get that cliche "one-with-everything" feeling you hear about sometimes.

Please guys, ask me anything..

Eat shit faggot no one cares

>>942312455
I'm just trying to help. I think you could get a lot of well being out of meditation.

>>942312145 (OP)
>Eat shit

>>942312484
what you're describing isn't even "enlightenment"
it's just mentally checking out of reality
i am actually enlightened, it's some magical mystical voodoo shit
you're a fucking pussy

>>942312145 (OP)
so your an airhead , so my question is , whats it like to be that stupid ????

>>942314579
I described what’s already happening to you, you just haven’t noticed yet. Noticing that you aren’t your thoughts and experiences is enlightenment. For example you aren’t the voice in your head, you aren’t your bodily sensations either. That’s just what it is. Look up some super generic enlightenment teacher like Alan watts or Ken Wilber and he will say the same thing. Eckhart Tolle, Ram Dass, Michael Singer all say the same stuff with varying levels of woo-woo.

>>942315793
Unlearning is a good way to describe enlightenment. So by the standards of a normal human I am exceptionally retarded. Here’s a Tao te Ching quote on this theme:

Chapter 45
“Great perfection seems incomplete,
yet it does not decay.

Great fullness seems empty,
yet it cannot be exhausted.

Great straightness seems crooked,
great skill seems clumsy,
great eloquence seems stammering.

Movement overcomes cold,
stillness overcomes heat.

Clarity and stillness
set all things in order in the world.”

>>942312145 (OP)
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>>942316148
Yep, thank you for the bump

>>942312145 (OP)
>there is no "you"
There is "you". There is no free will. So that "you" is not some intrinsic soul.

>>942317342
That works. You, no you… Same thing. That’s the fun of duality. Or non-duality.

>>942317462
Now what? There is no free will.

>>942317519
Whatever happens next just happens. There isn’t any free will. One way I like to steer things is into letting go. Recognizing that you are just along for the ride, no free will and no soul, can help people choose to let go. Many things will violate your preferences, and you have no control over it. So you have two options. Keep caring and suffer, or let go and enjoy peace. Practice not caring and you can have unconditional bliss. Suffering is pain + avoidance.

Remove the avoidance part through acceptance and letting go and suffering becomes impossible.

Care = suffer
Let go = peace and wellbeing

>>942317690
There is consistency in human behaviour and humans do learn even if there is no free will. Experiences are memorized

>>942312145 (OP)
You're a bullshitter and that's why you need a picture of Steven Seagul.

>>942317820
Yes experiences leave mental impressions in the brain that in Buddhist language are called samskaras. Like if your ex girlfriend drove a blue mustang and now every time you see a blue mustang you are reminded of that pain and feel some of it again.

There’s a mechanism where if we want to avoid and push away feeling an experience, like getting dumped by the girl in the blue mustang, it stores that pain in the form of a mental impression(samskara).

To be free from these pain points you must voluntarily feel the negative feelings. Avoiding it every time it comes up aggregated and grows the pain.

If you also accept experience as it comes, new samskaras will not form.

Just FYI that most dedicated all-in monks and meditators never make it this far and won’t even recognize these statements as valid. Explore for yourself.

>>942317853
As Shakespeare said “all the world’s a stage and we are but players (actors)”

So yes I am a bullshitter, but the twist is that we all are. We all play the character that our mind tells us a story about being. Quite the trip!

>>942318009
Acceptance is not up to us since there is no free will

>>942318061
You're not funny and you're not cute. You're a stupid asshole and you need to shut the fuck up.

>>942312145 (OP)
If you were enlightened, you'd be off doing your own thing instead of posting on 4chan

>>942318074
Cannot relate. If you believe in the smallest not dividable thing, plus the counterpart the endless space - everything in between is a number, it's not bound to 0 or endless. See math: 2+2=4 but 2-2=0

>>942318074
That’s why I’m telling you how the mind works, so by cause and effect your mind might try to let go instead of fighting what happens. There’s an analogy that helps people understand:


Imagine you are in a very strong river along with all of humanity. Most people try to swim against the current but it’s just too strong, they make no progress. Sometimes, very rarely, a person gives up and lets the current take them. Everyone ends up in the same place, downstream. But the person who let go and stopped fighting the current got there calm and rested. Which one will you be?

Top tier ragebait to be "enlightened" you wouldn't be here but transformed into a beacon of light like the budha.

You are just in a different state of mind just like any christian muslim or any mystics, just like any schizo, just like any cokehead in wallstreet.

We still are just the matter we are but tru oneness only come if you unlearned EVERYTHING even thinking about ANYTHING here so by typing or just moving anywhere you are not enlightened, you are calm thanks to meditation but not fully one with the material world

Still nice to reach a spece of calm within your own mind but it is not a full enlightment

>>942318224
Why do you think that it is correct to let go?

>>942318109
Have you tried meditating, anon? It can help you find peace so you don’t feel so much hostility towards others (and yourself!)

>>942318310
If you stop believing in free will you wont be experiencing ressentiment

>>942318279
People don’t want to suffer, so I’m offering some insight I gained through introspection about how to stop suffering. There’s a component of the recipe for suffering that is an active effort by the person, that’s caring! To be a bit more precise it’s either clinging to an experience you want, or avoiding an experience you don’t want. These two active habits are necessary components to suffering. Because the mind can’t change the outside world, it’s left with one option to stop suffering: stop the active habit of clinging and avoiding. It takes practice but I recommend you start with the low hanging fruit that’s all negative, like getting angry in traffic. Let go of your desire for control over the traffic. Let the traffic be, accept it.

>>942318465
For acceptance to be effective it must be honest acceptance of suffering, not acceptance for the sake of ending the suffering. But at that point when you are accepting honestly, why should you care whether you suffer more or less?

>>942318236
Nah enlightened beings are just real people who noticed something about their own experience. No beacons of light or levitation or magic or anything. Also when you die you just stop existing. Sorry to break it to you.

>>942318590
The beacon of light is an image of what I am trying to say. Enlightened is closer to being dead because you fully is not a mind anymore and become one with the material universe wich is all there is.

If you still think about anything you are not one with the cold metaphysical reality and is still fightingg against it, at least from a zen point of view

>>942312145 (OP)

Hey man.

I own land out in the hippie desert wonderland of southern california. An acreage. A few, really.

Im looking to expand business, with little effort, and Ive been thinking about bullshitting in the way you do it as a way to bring in rich women from Los Angeles.

You do this in person, too? Is it just an acting gig? There are others running this similar scam in my area, and Ive met some of them privately and theyre bros, they're chill, but Ive met them socially and theyre fucking basically insufferable, like you.

Give me your thoughts, Anon

>>942318537
You are asking a lot of good questions and it demonstrates comprehension of what I’m trying to share, but I encourage you to stop looking for answers. The answer is revealed when you stop asking. This is a direct response to the super valid contradiction you brought up.

>>942318659
I help people constantly, and I’ve been part of many seminars are retreats. To keep it feeling legit I never take money for anything. I inherited millions and I live off of dividends and stuff so I don’t even take donations. I PAY people to teach them this stuff. You can take money if you like to keep your operation going, but for me that would remove one of my strongest rhetorical tools.

>>942318644
Could you recognize an enlightened being if you met one? An enlightened being could rape babies all day and still be enlightened. There’s a difference between “waking up” and “growing up”.

Waking up is noticing the illusion of the self and experience


Growing up is everything that involves a “should”.

>>942318224
I know how my mind works and aaaand it does not only need input and quest along sidequests and passionate projects it also need stimulation "conscious processes" of change and orientation training. If you had to unlearn everything first, you need to let go of habits. And because you chickn'd out, you decided to rest at your place, you won't get to the headroom that an enlightened being that is willing to learn needs, to understand new topics.

>>942316074
kill yourself for being so stupid

>>942312145 (OP)
Fine, As long as you're not stupid Trumpshit

>>942318925
I invite you to surpass me, then. It’s not a zero sum game. We can all win! I want you to win!

>>942318918
Again you are missing the point and not adressing it because you know you are wrong.

There is no growing or anything after a full enlightenment and certainly not raping babies

Finding true oneness with the existing universe means experiencing it without a conscious other than the universe's.

So therefore you wouldn't be doing anything just like a rock in the river, here you are in a middle phase but not in oneness with the universe you are following the middle path like the buddha said to and it's great I still can't say it is the full enlightened experiment

Join the tao and stop existing as a being but as a part of the universe and that begins with no thoughts at all so no talking no doing anything else than being one with the rest

>>942319112
I actually come from the Tao lineage, and I’m a “Tao master”, which is kind of like another way of saying enlightened. Very cool to see you have an affinity for the school I joined. I was a monk for many years.

Like you are saying, doing literally nothing and just dying of thirst after satori is totally a thing and it almost happened to Buddha but his compassion made him choose to stay alive and teach.

Are you familiar with neti-neti? While meditating simply acknowledge that whatever you notice is not you. This induces satori all the time. Try it and report back!

Why do they call it enlightenment when the ultimate goal in buddhism is to die?

>>942319348
You die and stop existing anyway, the real goal is to stop the cycle of suffering (samsara) but this is compromised by having a goal in the first place. You can call Buddhism an “unframeworking framework” a framework that helps unframework. It is inherently false, it is by definition the exact opposite of enlightenment but can be used as a guide to find the cessation of samsara by ending the two active habits of clinging to experiences you like and pushing away or avoiding experiences you don’t like. You can’t end samsara with something active like following Buddhism. You end it by STOPPING clinging and avoiding.

Imagine you are playing a video game and you don’t know the controls. You try to press all the buttons but none of them do your “goal”, turns out it’s an anti-goal. Set the controller down and you’ve succeeded.

>>942319112
>satori
I thing this term is more rightly describing the state of mind you are into rn then

I'll read more about neti neti but if it relates too much (as always it depens on the school) to finding brahman I think it is further from the taoist approach that won't have any sort of value in the metaphysics of the universe

Still really interesting ig I am just hyper radical in my thinking of not acting upon anything to reach what I would call a truer enlightment

>>942319565
Fuck I misquoted you>>942319283

>>942318826

Shit, I am basically financially free due to my own efforts, my own good choices. I find it hard to socialize with people who inherited money. I am a member at the Newport yacht club, and I was just down there and I basically find so much of the conversation so fucking lame, so fucking lame bro... actually, I dont really have anyone to talk to about this.

What the fuck bro, we are both on b. I bought the house on the beach. I bought the property in the mountains. I have my desert wonderland, my primary. I have my international destination properties. I dont really need to do anymore.

I listen to a lot of music, man. I smoke. I drink during the day. I have a lot of recreation but I mostly just smoke and listen to music, now. Play with my son.

Nice to think with you, Anon, in the morning.

>>942319565
Well I can share two milestones with you, the first is the “witness-self” where you only identify with the feeling that of “you” between your eyes and like an inch back. All of experience feels like you are watching a movie from that feeling of you.

I consider this enough to be considered enlightenment. It’s a radical change in perception. Hindus call it turiya.

The second milestone is the one with Brahmin thing. The “one-with-everything” feeling. If you stay in the witness-self for long enough, eventually that feeling of you disappears and the whole world starts to feel like you. Everything feels extremely close like mountains in the distance are painted on your eyes. Everything is you and there is no you. Hindus call this turiya-tita.

This is real, and I am currently experiencing it.

Nothing changes, just how the mind sees itself. You could even reduce this entire enlightenment thing into a self-hypnosis trick. It just so happens to be a cure for suffering too.

>>942319808
Well it kind of is litterally and scientifically a self hypnosis thing, wich does not means it is not real if the experience is all you can get from the universe so i get on board with it.

I just think it is even better to go with the experience of the oneness by becoming a rock so that you are fully and forever undisturbed and not having to constantly rework it to stay in that state

Idk if thats clear sry english is not my first language

>>942319794
I live in a high rise in Vegas dude, and I used to smoke and drink but now I get most of my amusement from traveling and hiking and stuff. I am exceptionally boring. The main thing that keeps the weirdo sycophants away from me is just how boring I am. Women are like the ultimate conformists, they try to bandwagon my schtick so hard it’s hard to watch. They don’t last very long when they realize I don’t talk about anything else besides meditation and such hahahah

>>942319940
I have the experience of oneness right now and I still do stuff. I can’t go back either. I’ve tried to find the self again (the feeling of you between your eyes and an inch back) but I can’t find it. That being said I did end up in the hospital for dehydration because I had my own “rock” phase. Doing literally nothing. Not eating or drinking, just laying there.

I’m glad you see past the nonsense and recognize this as just a thing the brain can do. That’ll make it much easier for you to discover for yourself through direct experience.

>>942319982

I find solitude to be the thing I like the most. Leonard Cohen spent 8 years in the mountains of California, southern California, in Big Bear where I own property and you should come visit, what the fuck. Just my family. I hike my son through rivers every day, creeks in the mountains. I carry him on my back when he gets tired, and we find gold and silver, and he carries them back. Sometimes he gets wild and throws that shit in the river. We sing songs about spelling and adventure.

Sometimes I feel like I had more friends that I related to. You're not perfect, but you innately understand a part of me because youre on b.

Im just thinking. I feel like Ive found where I want to stay the rest of my life until I die, recently. Unrelated, I have to go make my wife coffee. Lol

>>942312145 (OP)
hue whoop poop poopiedie scpooop fart fuck shit fuck cunt tit i fongdle da bobbie i scooper her nipple in my hand and she say OHHH FUCK DADDY I am the FBI i hijack several childerens entertainment tv shows and I casplay as a classically enlightlingsed stephan segal i would lick dababys babypenis.

>>942320217
Perfect was never an option for me and never my goal. I’m glad you walked away from this feeling good on-balance. I give you (a totally meaningless) blessing from a living Buddha hahahahah have a most excellent life.

>>942320217
I’d gladly visit, we can enjoy some solitude together. Maybe try to find me on facebook? I don’t care who sees my identity lol, hope to hear more from you Leonard. I’m Ben Hale. Also all haters are welcome to contact me on Facebook lol

>>942319808
>808
Enlightened states in budhism involve walking around with open eyes. It's NOT about being in a meditated state all day long and seek for the body state of the bodihsatva and return to the state of SLEEP and dreams. Having a woke mind is the same you experience on psychedelic drugs, but the budhist is willing to stay away from an intentionally altered brain by consuming but do it with patience and routine. BTW the person with his little scribbling naming himself tao is smaller than my thumb, he can not articulate anything besides his little wishes before death

>>942322332
Right on. I appreciate your interest in this topic and I encourage you to pursue it! It sounds like you are in a good position to explore the inner world!

>>942312145 (OP)
What are you having for breakfast lunch and supper these days?

>>942312145 (OP)
>you aren't your thoughts and experiences
true, but you still exist, and have limitless expressive potentials before you at any given moment
imagine thousands of soap-bubbles reflecting the same lightsource
that is what we are in essence
reflections of the same unific '"soul"'
>zero agency. You can't do anything. You only notice
>Things just happen
not true
free-will is only potential until you decide to act, but it exists
you have full control of your life within the limitations of your abilities, strength and experience
you can prove this at any time
>the existence of a "you" is confusion
it is a false identity, and that may lead to confusion, but it is not as you say either
you are still trapped in thinking you are something lesser, and so you suffer and struggle in that idea
>First, think of
my thoughts are not like yours and i thought of many places throughout the Earth
besides that, you are trying to play a trick through specious reasoning, claiming that something more relative to a person's thoughts is random happenstance instead of ingrained experience
>thoughts are not reality
thoughts are not reality itself, but experiences reflecting from or ingrained in you FROM reality
and your thoughts can actually help shape or re-shape reality if you apply them through effort
these identities we possess may not be our true selves, but this place is very real nonetheless
and our actions carry weight with them
>feeling you hear about sometimes
you are not your feelings either, yet they too can shape you through recursive bonds with actions
say you burn your hand on a stove, that pain will shape your future actions, even though it is ultimately unreal
a figment of your sensory processes
- - -
in the end, if you are able to separate yourself from false identity upon death, you will be free
that is what matters
check out a channel called Theoria Apophasis
i don't agree with everything said there, but there's information there you won't find anywhere else

Anyone else up late and feeling a little restless?
..

>>942312145 (OP)
"You aren't your thoughts and experiences you are the experiencer" so you are your experiences? You just added er prefix.
Noticing your thoughts aren't reality is just self awareness not enlightenment.
You're describing self awareness.