Thread 942343177

Prices are set based on what people are able/willing to pay. There is a reason why a taco in Mexico costs $0.50 while a house in California costs over a million dollars. We could raise the income tax rate to 90% for the same reason that raising the minimum wage doesn't work and the only people who would be hurt by everyone having less disposable income would be the rich people who set the prices of everything and source their products internationally.

The only way you benefit from having lower taxes is if you are the only person who is paying less taxes. If everyone pays the same amount in taxes, it doesn't matter if the tax rate is 0% or 90% corporations are still going to base their prices on what you are willing/able to pay and having a tax rate of 90% means a strong government and robust social safety nets...

Am I crazy /b/?

>>942343177 (OP)
>raise the income tax rate to 90% for the same reason that raising the minimum wage doesn't work

>>942343421

I mean, the argument is that if you raise minimum wage then companies, seeing that people have more disposable income, will just charge people more money for their products, inflation will kick in, and people will be in the same situation that they were in before you raised the minimum wage.

So, if you tax everyone at 90%, companies will see that people have less disposable income and have no choice but to lower their prices and/or pay their employees more money.

They aren't just going to up and leave because that isn't what they did in Mexico where tacos cost $0.50 and some profit is better than no profit.

Where is the flaw in my logic?

>>942343604
>So, if you tax everyone at 90%
Then they have no fucking spending monies and the whole shit show collapses into a pile of rubble.

Crack an economics book. This is 4chins, I doubt anyone will explain how the world works.

>>942343177 (OP)
If we currently raised income tax 60% it still wouldn't even cover the interest on the the debt we owe. Kind of makes you wonder who would let someone keep borrowing money if they were unable to pay it back? Like if you loaned a friend $100 dollars and he just kept borrowing 20 times that every time you seen and you just said sure I'll loan 38 Trillion with adjusted interest who the fuck would be that retarded?

>>942343716

Mexico isn't a pile of rubble... They have $0.50 tacos and an obesity epidemic that is worse than the United State's...

>>942343745

I'm not talking about covering the debt... I don't think there is a way out of that other than to defaut...

I think most of the money that we owe is to ourselves anyway...

Historically countries have solved this problem by declaring war on countries that they owe money to... Not sure how good of a plan that is...

>>942343745

Here is my solution to the debt problem; we change our official currency from dollars to dollarydoos, we make the claim that we owe everyone dollars, not dollarydoos, we arrest every living president and dig up all of the dead presidents, and then finally, we ship all of them to China to face charges for their crimes...

Any Glowies who might be lurking know what the plan for dealing with the debt problem is?

>>942343177 (OP)
Just put a dictator in charge or a totalitarian authoritarian committee in charge and have the order things under threat of force and completely dispense with money and taxation.

Its the same shit at this point.

>>942344744
There isn't one. Or rather, there is, but involves nuclear weapons and/or the second coming of Hitler.

>>942344744
We were hoping you guys would come up with something.

>>942344891

So I take it that the dollarydoos and dead presidents solution is off the table?

Feeling a little adventurous tonight... care to join?
......

>>942343177 (OP)
>>942343421
>>942343604
i don't think you understand one of the most basic aspects of the us tax system. the tax system is progressive. that means that for the first $N dollars of income the tax rate is exactly the same for *everyone*. the same for someone that makes $10k in a year and someone that makes $1 billion in a year (i know no one makes $1 billion in wages, it's just an example). then for the next income bracket, again everyone pays the same rate. that only people that ever get to those high tax rates are people that earn way more than the total person, and the rate only applies to the amount that they earned in that particular bracket. to say you can charge everyone at 90% rate would mean the progressive tax system no longer exists. the tax system is fair in that everyone pays the same rate for the same income they earned. the rate increases only for the amount of money in excess of the previous bracket and so on. how do people that pay taxes not know this?

>>942343177 (OP)
>Am I crazy /b/?
no, you are a faggot, which is worse. taxation is not for building and running infrastructure. it has a different purpose. when they need money, they can simply print money.

>>942349252
that's the fastest way to inflation, retard.

>>942343177 (OP)
a 90% income tax would be akin to slavery. If we lived in a communist shithole, that would already be the reality.

>>942343794
That's because they eat fucking lard on everything.

>>942349512
hardly anyone would pay anywhere near that rate. only the top 0.1% of earners would pay anywhere near the top rate. see >>942347075. god damn.

>>942343604
>if you raise minimum wage then companies, seeing that people have more disposable income, will just charge people more money for their products,
that's a bs argument employers use to continue to pay you peanuts

>>942349473
not if you keep people locked up and taxed and giving them things to play with like shitcoins, shiny metals and worthless papers with written statements on them how much you own of some shit. modern money laundry really works.

>>942349512

How is it slavery when your effective purchasing power doesn't change?

>>942349640

Idk, anytime there is even a stimulus they raise prices and my argument about tacos in Mexico being $0.50 still stands... If people have less money then companies will HAVE to adjust prices by making tacos $0.50 or just fuck off entirely and lose out on profits, in which case we can just pick up the slack with local businesses which we should be doing anyway...

Hell, we can say that anyone who works for a company that has less than 20 employees, including its parent companies and subsidiaries, doesn't pay taxes... Talk about competition and innovation... I think this idea hits the jackpot in those regards... You almost force companies to leave local businesses alone...

>>942350700
but that's exactly the idea: make small businesses suffer more bureaucracy and taxation, so big business can continue to lobby and do what they want. people wanted this. enjoy.

>>942351002

Yeah, but what I am talking about flips the script... What I am talking about is essentially a tax on employment for big business... Any time Walmart wants to hire a cashier, for example, they have to pay a tax in the form of 90% of that cashier's income... They can't get around it because it's the employee who is technically paying the tax...

>>942351138

Idk, the more I think about it, the more I am convinced that this is a good idea, especially when combined with the idea of not taxing small businesses that has less then, say 20-50 employees...

You basically cut out the globalists... Talk about bringing jobs back to America THIS is how you do it...

>>942351252
>in my mind it's real

>>942351344

Tell me why I am wrong... People on the internet love to correct people, so correct me...

>>942351344

This tax plan is basically a tax plan to break up Megacorp and shift the power back to local businesses...

>>942351383
you can be neither right or wrong. it depends on your training. do you have access to real data?

>>942351413
megacorp doesn't want to be broken up and they will find a way to fuck you in the ass regardless

I think AI just gave me the green light... I said

>Here is my tax plan... A 90% income tax on any person's income who works for a company that has more than 200 employees, 3 locations, or more than 5 owners individual owners. This includes parent companies and subsidiaries.

>Small businesses would be exempt. You combine this with an import tariff.

>The goal is to break up global mega-corporations and shift the power back to small businesses. In theory this plan would create millions of small businesses, all competing with each other, for spurring entrepreneurship and innovation at the expense of global monopolies.

>What is your opinion of this plan?


All of it's rebuttals were things "Companies would structure themselves as smaller companies" which I already covered when I said to include all of it's subsidiaries and parent companies...

/b/? Did I just discover the solution to all of our problems?

I mean, not only do you fragment large companies into a bunch of smaller competing companies, you give the government lots of money, and the all of those local companies are now competing for government contracts... I don't see how you can get any bigger of a win than this...

>>942351827

I mean, they might try to assassinate me or create a military coup but I would be willing to take that risk... I'll just hide in Trump's ballroom bunker until they fuck off...

>>942351859
have you ever wondered why there are so many product names for the same fucking produce? it's to increase artificial competition, so that the product of one established company (which doesn't do the same) has a lower chance to be picked up by the customer. you can't win. your ideas are fucking stupid and gay. like you.

>>942351887
nah, they will only retrain you

>>942352060

Yeah, but all those products are owned by the same parent companies... I literally included this caveat in my question... 200 employees, including parent companies and subsidiaries and I said "or more than 5 individual owners" just to be on the safe side.

Under this paradigm, that wouldn't be possible, you couldn't have a bunch of brands all pretending to be separate companies because that would put you well over the 200 employee and/or 5 owner limit.

>>942343177 (OP)
1, comparing gouse prices to fucking tacos, the most affordable meal possible. Hilarious.

2, why would you uretards admit how little Mexico values themselves like that to do nothing for growth?
Or are we ignoring the majority of their and Australia and Somalia and shit are funded by their gangs, mafias, cartels and the amount of guns and drugs they have to buy and sell from countries that hate America just to survive?
You saying you're jealous they can't stand on their own unless someone else helps them?

>>942352073

I'd like to see them try... People have been trying to retrain me since gradeschool... Lol

>>942352060
"Artificial competition" Europe put a tax on Americans chicken cause they were selling more of it than their own locals.
Seethe harder commie cuck, you're not human anyway.

>>942352180
it's okay anon. it's bait. no real discussion is happening here.

>>942352180

Growth isn't inherently good... Growth is only good when it inspires competition... When growth strangles competition it becomes bad... What I am talking about brings back competition...

Don't like Mexico, look at China, they have one of the best economies in the world and everything is super cheap...

So, who wants to fund my run for political office?

>>942352199
I extremely don't give a shit what you buy to stuff your face with. just don't come to me complaining that our local farmers are getting out competed by big farms. the people want this, so fuck them first. then your mom. lastly, your dad.

>>942352278

Ok, but if we can convince them that my tax plan is a good thing then it means they don't want this...

>>942352300
the stick didn't work, maybe we should try the carrot again?

>>942352337

No, my tax plan is definitely a MASSIVE stick... That is the whole point of it... You use a massive tax stick to break up Megacorp...

>>942352370
unless you can boil and eat the stick, it won't work

I mean, what can they do about it? Not hire employees? Fine, we will just tax contract work too... Lol

Replace everything with AI? Yoink! That's Government's AI now, Comrade... Welcome to a Post-Scarcity Economy... Lol

>>942352472

Why wouldn't it work? You don't think that small business would fill the vacuum left by the collapse of Megacorp?

Local farmers would LOVE to not have to compete with globalists running sweatshops on slave labor...

>>942352522
power vacuums always pulled in the worst drecks of society, always. kiss your illusions goodbye.

>>942352645

The difference here is that no one person can fill this power vacuum... Maybe some dregs will try to fill the vacuum but they will be competing with everyone else who will force them to behave...

>>942352645

We aren't talking about replacing global Megacorp with US Megacorp...
We are talking about replacing Global Megacorp with millions of locals running local industries...

Vote Anon 2028!

>>942352645
>power vacuum
If a power vacuum is created, it wasn't supposed to exist in the first place, and the market surrounding it was inherently unstable because of it, creating "too big to fail" parasites on the economy.

>>942352714
yea, not one single dreg, but many. have you checked your neighborhood lately? the ratio of asshole to altruistic people is not in your favor.

>>942352914
exactly. but we let that happen. now we can enjoy our stupid little ideas.

>>942352914

Yes! My point exactly! This is exactly the problem that my tax plan aims to fix!

>>942352947

Even if true, millions of companies, ran by tyrants, all competing for consumers by doing what is in the consumer's best interest is still preferable to like 5 tyrants telling consumers to go fuck themselves because they own the entire market...

>>942353027
>>942352980
>>942352968
>>942352947
>all this complexity
If I do something for you, you will compensate me, or else. This is the simple truth, failing it leads to economic failures.

>>942353027
you start to annoy me. when they introduced aldi's and lidl's people didn't think: hey, these assholes destroy our little local convenient shops. no, they fought: cool, I can buy ten times as much, stay ten times as long in traffic and throw away half of it away because I bought too much. people are extremely fucking stupid. you are really looking at this whole problem from the wrong angle. cooperations are not the problem. the masses are. now fuck you. dimwit.

>>942353340
I don't need your bullshit job labor. fuck off. I can do everything myself. even jerking off when I have to itch that itch.

>>942353458
>I don't need your bullshit job labor. fuck off. I can do everything myself.
He says slurping up my tax subsidies like a whore

>>942353564
see? even your shitposting is bullshit.

>>942353414

Then the masses need educated... To be honest, I think people are a little wiser in the internet age than they were back in the 1940s... I think people understand the problem with global Mega-corporations and monopolies better than they did back then... I think the importance of buying locally is more understood now than it has ever been, the problem is that local businesses cannot compete with mega corporations... My tax plan allows local business to compete...

What I'm hearing is that you don't think that tax plan is a bad idea, you think that people are too stupid to go for it...

>>942351859
you could argue about the overall math i guess.
maybe a progressive system could work as an interim solution.

>>942353738
>people are a little wiser in the internet age
you wish. we have platforms to distribute propaganda to these educated, entitled assholes.

>>942353896

Again, I'm still not hearing that it's a bad idea, just that people would never go for it...

>>942353954
if they don't go for it, then the idea is worthless. why not simply give money to everyone instead of taxing? if you want more, you can go to work. basically the same thing you are suggesting.

She’s dilated and the puppies are coming

>>942354006

Well, where does the money come from? Plus, if you give people money what stops Megacorp from just jacking up the prices of everything?

Here is the deal, if the only problem is that people will never go for it then we will just convince them that it's about racism...

We paint Walmart jobs as brown people jobs and local jobs as white jobs... MAGA will practically beg us to tax the brown people...

>>942354075

All we gotta do is use a little meme magic to spread the narrative that Walmart doesn't do proper drug testing and is full of lazy criminals... Then boom, we are in...

>>942354169
well, if you have some pocket change, go contact some of the many platforms and tell them your ideas. I am sure they will make a good price for you.

>>942354237

Unfortunately, I need /b/'s pocket change...

After that though, there is nothing stopping us from building a wall and making Walmart part for it...

>>942354280

Pay* for it

>>942354321
I don't have money for retards. also, Walmart uses tunnels. your wall doesn't do jack shit.

>>942343177 (OP)
Taco! Tacos!!! I love ALL tacos!!

>>942354482

Walmart isn't sending their best people!

Make Taxation Great Again!

>>942354594
you only send your best people to die

>>942353610
How so?

>>942354790
another bullshit post

>>942355265
Right..

>>942355714
Left..

>>942355891

Taxes!

>>942356546
Penis!