He created you and created everything. Hating the Creator is the same as saying that you hate yourself and all existing things. It makes no sense.

>>22800228 (OP)
>Hating the Creator is completely irrational.
Fair enough. But assuming that there even is a Creator, what proof do you have that its the one the jews say is the Creator? If the real Creator is actually Zeus or Odin and you hate him, then your point should also apply in that scenario as well. So again, who is right?

>>22800228 (OP)
It is very irrational to hate something that doesn't exist.

>>22800228 (OP)
liberate the jew cursed chickens

>>22800228 (OP)
Typical chriscuck post:
1. brown
2. stoking fear. Christcucks always stoke guilt, fear, shame over not joining their cult to brainwash you. Anything, but love that they claim their god is.

You were created by a supposedly loving god who gave you freedom of choice, but will torture you for all eternity if you don't join his circumcised gang instead of just uncreating you. The most retarded, logically inconsistent cult ever.

No wonder brown monkeys love it.

>the creator in question

>>22800228 (OP)
Does creating man with a fault and then blaming him for having said fault and punishing him make sense to you? Does it make sense to create him in such a way that he can't avoid suffering even if he wanted to? Does it make sense to create him in a way that he can't avoid pain and giving him no defense against it?

>>22800228 (OP)
God created niggers?

Why didn't he create us properly? Was he unable to or unwilling? Could he have achieved his goal without making us suffer? Could he have prevented us from suffering but didn't? Does that make sense?

>>22800228 (OP)
The creator made jews. Jews are the great filter. They are his chosen people he created them so they would sabotage the white race using mass immigration usury and countless other tricks to prevent us from reaching the starts and becoming one level with god. The creator created the jews as a fail safe of sorts to make sure no one every challenges his rule and his might. Pic rel

>>22800228 (OP)
God can tongue nigger ass. His creation sucks nigger balls

Does it makes sense to create someone worse than he could have been created, on purpose, and then try to blame him for not being perfect and punish him for it? How is that fair?
Does that mean it's ok to make others suffer for some goal of yours, despite the fact that you could achieve your goal without making others suffer?

Does it make sense that God could have prevented us from suffering but instead chose not to? Wouldn't you be sad?

>>22800240
God might say 'adversity builds character'
he's a cunt

>>22800229
>...assuming there even is a Creator...

It is the only safe assumption to make, nothing that hasn't been created experiences anything. Therefore anything that has an experience has also been created, as something that is not created cannot have an experience. You cannot hate a lie, as a lie does not exist and cannot experience your hatred, you only hate yourself and your thought of the lie.

Does it make sense that God want us to feel bad so much that he created everything in a way to make pain unavoidable and leave us without any defense against it? How evil do you have to be to do this? I try not to hate him but he is not making it easy...

>>22800241
he sounds like a boomer:
1. lives in comfort in the sky McMansion
2. Kicked young people out before the age of maturity even
3. telling young people to work harder and sacrifice for him
4. Constantly raining niggers and disease upon his followers
5. likes foreign invaders and doesn't mind to displace you with them
6. Constantly threatening to remove you from his will

It's actually insane how many similarities there are.

>>22800228 (OP)
i believe there is a creator, although i think that the creator being a jewish desert spirit that commands people to take slaves and circumscise them is a bit of a stretch.

>>22800228 (OP)
>you hate yourself and all existing things
Yes. I want to dissolve into emptiness, I don't need heaven or any other shit

>>22800244
add to that
'resents his children'
god truly is manifest in boomers

>>22800241
I never understood that... All adversity does is bring me down and make me weaker, and discourages me from further trying. If i try to do something i want and the universe suddenly starts resisting and makes a hundred little problems appear, then i can only conclude that the change i want to make isn't the right thing to do and i should stop doing it, unless i want to hurt myself further. If it were the right thing to do it wouldn't cause me to suffer. But then the more things you try the more you see that everything is designed to make you suffer, you can't avoid it, it is present everywhere, then you realize that someone really hates you and really doesn't want you to succeed and feel good, but instead wants you to feel bad. Why the hate?

God doesn't make much sense, how can you trust someone like that? He failed to protect us once already, not only that but he purposefully made us suffer, how can i trust someone like that? How does that make sense?

Why did Satan enjoy spearing Jesus wound when he was already trapped on the cross !!!

>>22800250
Do you seriously believe that you are worth anything? Humans are the bottom of the food chain. There are creatures that keep humans for food just like humans keep chickens or cows for food

>>22800252
It's sad that someone could be so evil...

>>22800250
Why can't you trust Christ? He is human like us and suffered much than us yet he let his message of love and promissed us the heaven. Nobody can't understand God. Nobody could create everything. We just know He is good and gave his only son to save us.

>>22800228 (OP)
God created hatred and chaos, genetic diseases such as multiple sclerosis, and gay ass fuckers. God is a joke

>>22800232

So basically, I'm going to keep worshipping the Lord.

>>22800228 (OP) The ego attacks even without a reason, Brazilian.
The ego is your clear enemy.

>>22800255

Yeah, we humans dindu nuffin. We's good boys.

>>22800254
>Why can't you trust Christ?
Why should i? Does he want me to suffer or not?
>let his message of love
I'm sorry what message of love? Is telling us that we have to suffer a message of love?
>We just know He is good and gave his only son to save us.
Can it be called good to make others suffer to prove a point?
Can it be called good to create others in such a way that they can't avoid suffering and then blame them for suffering?
Can it be called good to know how to prevent others from suffering, but still letting them suffer instead?
Can it be called good to give someone two options and only accepting one option as valid?
Can it be called good to give someone two options that lead to the same result and blame the result on the one who made the choice?
You call someone who did those things good?

>>22800254
>and gave his only son to save us.
Why didn't he make things properly from the start? The heaven was supposed to be perfect and yet somehow things went wrong. How can that be?
Adam was supposed to be made perfect and yet he made a mistake. How can that be?

>>22800260
Why wasn't all this prevented and done properly, so that it would all work properly, without problems?

>>22800228 (OP)
People are retarded and full of themselves, that is the problem.

I never understood why people have something against Jesus. What is wrong about the promise of the Word of God for eternal salvation? payed by the blood of Almighty God Himself? Like why are people against this? Why are they against the teachings of Christ? What is wrong about the teachings? Compassion, no harshness against your brothers, your neighbors, don't steal, don't lie, don't murder, don't commit adultery. These are basic moral things. I don't understand.
It is either some misreading of scripture, mixing scripture with modern zionists globohomo ideology, or they don't understand that jews are the synagogue of satan. People can not get out of this zionist mindvirus.

I guess people who are actively against Jesus Christ are just not called. Too bad for them, well, it is the Father who calls people to Christ.

>>22800236
>Could he have achieved his goal without making us suffer?
No.

>>22800260
>>22800261

It's selection for a glorious, holy, and eternal royal priesthood. The weenie hut Jr is the other way, sir. In all seriousness though. Seek Him and understand His Way. No, not the smoke and mirror misrepresentations of Him. Get to know Him, and He will make you strong.

yeah but why does the Creator God have to be some semitic idol from the bronze age? we europeans already had God, and Deus, and Heaven and Hell before christians came. what do we need jews for?

>>22800229
Everyone knows in their heart who the true Creator is and it's not some pagan faggot demon larping as a god

>>22800265
Becuase we crave TRUTH you dumb jew

If you love someone you protect them from suffering, not make them suffer. Doesn't that make sense? Or am i missing something really obvious? How can i trust someone who wants me to feel bad? How does that work? Are you all just masochists with Stockholm syndrome? Sometimes i feel like i'm in a competition in who can suffer the most, it's incredibly sad.

>>22800228 (OP)
hes not the creator there is no creator
just an evil pretender we are all energy and we are sparks
fuck "god"

>>22800267
there is more truth in Prometheus Bound than anything from the old testament (or tanakh as it should be called)

>>22800266
>not some pagan faggot demon
I see you've drank the Kool-aid jews have created about the Pagan Gods, instead of what the ACTUAL truth about them is.

>>22800264
>It's selection for a glorious, holy, and eternal royal priesthood.
Umm why not just create them?
>Seek Him and understand His Way.
Why would i, he wants to hurt me. I can't understand him, he doesn't make sense. Will i ever be good enough for God so that he will stop the suffering?

>>22800266
if thats the case why do you call him God and Deus and not 'yahweh' or 'adonai', his real names?

>>22800266
You're right its definitely you're near eastern sky demon, glad we cleared that up.

>>22800271
lmao

>>22800229
because the OT is fulfilled in Jesus the promised Messiah overcoming death and beating the serpent and consequences of sin.
zeus or odin are best known for sexual degeneracy, they have nothing to offer.

>>22800228 (OP)
>my god is the right because muh books said so
The problem is that your god isn't real but mine is. Don't like it? Tough shit.

>>22800259
If He wanted you to suffer He could not offer the Heaven to you where there is no pain or suffering, only happiness and joy.

>>22800228 (OP)
Sperm + Egg. Which one is the Creator?

>>22800277
>odin is best known for sexual degeneracy
I thought he was best known for ragnarok and all that. do you turks living in germany not know actual germanic mythology, you just know meme posts like from that greenberg fellow? shameful what you brown shitstains have done to my fatherland

>>22800277
>old book said it's true
Every time.

>>22800280
Your uncle

>>22800279
Your god doesn't exit mine does.

>>22800232
the entire bible is summed up in one word. Faith.
Faith in what Jesus Christ did for you on the cross. no shame, no guilt, only fallible humans trying to get along in a demon controlled world.

I dont believe in afterlife torture

>>22800284
*exist

>>22800285
Your book is wrong.

>>22800277
Your ancestors didn't worship Odin because you're actually a filthy roachnigger.

>>22800285
who told you this world was controlled by demons? gnostic jewish cults that are scarred of space?

>>22800277
>beat the serpent
>has to come back and rebeat the snake
Okay buddy.

>>22800285
>demon controlled world

I believe such a mentality is unhealthy

>>22800250
God, who is loves humanity and gave his only Son who existed before creation for us, is suffering more when you keep the entire history of humanity in mind.

>>22800279
Well he does want me to suffer and he made it so that i can't avoid it, so i have no choice but to feel bad. I don't want to have anything to do with someone who hates me.

>>22800293
That never happened and your god isn't real.

>>22800277
>zeus or odin are best known for sexual degeneracy
According to jewish slander, not historical evidence.
See: >>22800272

>>22800293
How can you say he loves us but at the same time he is torturing us? If you love someone do you force them to suffer? Or do you protect them from suffering?

>>22800296
you could maybe get away with saying that about zeus, but even from what I have studied I think jews are responsible for that as well

>>22800293
Why didn't he prevent us from suffering? He could, but he chose not to. Why would i trust someone who failed me?

Also it is difficult to fathom a singular Creator that created everything because that also includes all the pagan religions

>>22800298
Exodus is likely a result of the expulsion of the Hyskos from Egypt
Moses is an Egyptian name and likely a mythical character

>>22800299
The god of Christianity is a torture victim masochist that inflicted it upon himself. You're not gonna get any rational takes on suffering from morons that believe this nonsensical bullshit

>He's all powerful
>but he had to have his only son tortured to death

The most rational response to suffering you'll find is the four noble truths of Buddhism

>>22800281
>>22800289
first off, germans believed in wotan. same as odin basically but not odin.
second, germans believed in nature spirits, worshiped the moon and sun and such. they were like any other sun worship cult in essence. worshiping the creation, not the creator.
Im german btw, I dont repost my own threads in every thread I enter.

>>22800282
why do archeologists use the bible for excavations?
why is everything the old book predicted become true?

>>22800288
weird gamble when you know the other option. having to pay your sins in death.

>>22800290
>>22800292
just objectively looking at the world makes it evident.
the people that rule you flaunt it openly in your face and laught at your retarded naivity. because they know satan rules the world.

>>22800291
he buys you time to come to him and not be destroyed with satan.

>>22800295
historically documented.

>>22800297
>>22800299
satan is torturing you, he rules earth currently. dont blame God for things satan does to you because you dont put your faith in God.
suffering stopped for me the minute I acknowledged that God is the ruler over my life and not I myself.
if you trust in yourself instead of God you make yourself your own god and immediately under satan who made himself god too. your in the same club and thus suffer.

>>22800300
here is the simple facts: a creator gave life to a male captive who was very pale and then subjected him to a life of anti-whiteness and anti-jewishness. the creator causes suffering for his most ardent followers. the rest he doesn't care about so they live good lives. the creator likes to make pale white jews suffer the most by giving them multiple sclerosis

Suffering is the name of this god's game and if you're smart, you want out

>>22800293
Why didn't he make things properly from the start so he wouldn't have to sacrifice anyone and nobody would suffer? Is someone above God preventing him from doing that? Or does he refuse to do that and would rather watch us struggle and suffer?

>>22800302
>>but he had to have his only son tortured to death
sin results in death. period.
Jesus took your sins on himself so you dont have to die. its a basic transaction. you dont die for your sins but have everlasting life.

>>22800228 (OP)
My creator is not a floating kike sorry.

>>22800277
>a jew fulfilled the jewish moshiach promise from the tanakh
Epic.

>>22800305
>Why didn't he make things properly from the start
it was.
until satan sinned and dragged humanity down with himself.
he promised us a new heaven and earth already. everyone is waiting for us.

>>22800302
What I really wonder is about the fags that try to convert people be threatening them with hellfire on this website in particular.
At this point at least a good dozen major religions are threatening me with eternal torture if I don't bow down to the rivery particular denomination.
Turning religious just to avoid hell is a complete crapshoot. I could become a protty and find out that the Catholics are right , so I get sent to hell even though I was Christian ( just the wrong church).
Or maybe some autistic 200 person cult from Africca ends up being the One True Religion. There are valid reasons for turning religious, but avoiding hell is just fucking stupid. Never mind that any god who sends people to hell for simply picking the wrong priest is an absolute retard one should not associate with no matter what you are threatened with.

>>22800266
Okay but it's not Jehovah either retard. Sun worship is more logical than that.

>>22800273

>Umm why not just create them?

You ever see what happens when a father gives his child whatever they want, whenever they want? Do you see what happens when a man makes his son an apprentice under him before allowing him to inherit his wealth and enterprise? It typically turns out better than if he had just given him the keys to the kingdom without working and toiling to appreciate his inheritance? The message is absolutely clear to me.

>Why would i, he wants to hurt me. I can't understand him, he doesn't make sense. Will i ever be good enough for God so that he will stop the suffering?

He doesn't. For once in my life, I am actually healed of my past traumas and bitterness. For once, I can wake up in the morning and understand that His mercy towards me is unending. I understand the depth of my sin against Him, and against those I have wronged in my past, but with His Holy Spirit, I have finally overcome the carnal and beastly nature I used to live by, becoming just a little bit more like Jesus. It's not about being good enough. You and I both endure much suffering in this vapor of an existence (Born Again or not), but with Him, I can wake up with the entrenched endurance I need to occupy and not abandon my station in the War of the Ages. Most importantly, I can smile and keep my head held high as I march towards my reward. The world can mock as long as they'd like. Many are called, but few are chosen.

Brother, seek Him with all of your mind, heart, soul and spirit. First, take possession on His Holy Spirit. Yes, you have to ask Him. It will take intentful prayer and a sincere heart.

>>22800303
>satan is torturing you, he rules earth currently
Why does God allow him to? He could have easily removed him, is that correct?
>dont blame God for things satan does to you because you dont put your faith in God.
If i put faith in God will satan stop torturing me? Why should i put faith in someone who could prevent me from suffering but chose not to? Why should this time be any different? He could, at any time, remove satan and end the suffering, correct? It doesn't make sense. Is God in charge or not? Is there someone above him that is preventing him from doing that?
>suffering stopped for me the minute I acknowledged that God is the ruler over my life and not I myself.
So i just say 'i acknowledge God exists and rules over me' and i wont feel any pain and suffering anymore? Do i understand this correctly?

>>22800228 (OP)
Atheists are fucking retards. That should explain why they act the way they act

>>22800306
>sin results in death. period
Why do animals die then?

>Jesus took your sins on himself so you dont have to die. its a basic transaction
I'm not giving anyone else the consequences of my actions, that's evil. Punishing an innocent man for the actions of a guilty man is evil and an explicit inversion of justice. Human sacrifice is barbaric nonsense

>you dont die for your sins but have everlasting life
Cool so everyone goes to heaven then because this transaction already happened thousands of years ago

>>22800274
I think the more compelling etymological theory for "God" in English is actually through Christian missionaries using the word "God" which was the name for Odin/Woden in Gothic, and then using those bibles in England. The Anglo-Saxons then used the word God for the Christian God either out of a confusion that that was the biblical literal name for the Christian God OR because it was convenient to distinguish between Woden and the Christian God. Either way, God originally comes from the name for the Germanic Alfather.

>>22800303
>satan who made himself god
Why did God allow that? Does God want satan to torture us? If yes, why? If no, why does he not remove him? Why make him in the first place? What is going on? Why didn't God make things properly, so that nobody would suffer? Was he unwilling or unable?

>>22800228 (OP)
I created me, god merely created the conditions that allowed me to exist, I don't hate god but his world is shit and I'd like to leave now

>>22800228 (OP)
I really think at the beginning of time there was an explosion of consciousness. It was beautiful and then a bunch of elves shot out of Heaven and into this universe. They came down to Earth to witness creation. And then something really bad happened and they turned this world into a sacrifice slave planet. And it's been this way for 1000s of years. Survival of the fittest. The 'gods' watch us like we're a big colosseum. I think they create hybrids using our DNA. They're immortal and rule the world. They were called demigods in a different age. Now many people know them as the Nephilim. Or archons. Or just fallen angels. Whatever they are is no good.
Anyways there is a God. It seems they have this m.o. to keep us from immortality. They gatekeep relentlessly and they run gangstalking shit on people to prove they are not worthy of Heaven. To defile them. To attack God and God's creation. In extreme cases, they have tortured people to madness. In the book of Genesis, the tree of knowledge was forbidden. But then God banished them from Eden saying that they didn't want the man to take from the tree of life and live forever.
So basically they don't want people living forever. They think human beings are stinky and stupid and need to prove themselves. But the Bible teaches there is nothing we can do to prove ourselves because of our sin..
People are suffering here. Why would they like it here?
That's the whole point of all religion. Is leaving this behind, overcoming the lies, psyops, sickness and going to be with God in a better world. Becoming immortal.

>>22800310
You need to be 18 to post here, mate.

Bro.....we were created by ayys that flooded us by bringing the moon into our orbit. There's a difference between the physical creator, and what these ayys taught us about THE God.

>>22800313
>Why does God allow him to?
so you come to him.
>He could have easily removed him, is that correct?
yes, along with you ofc. we are all sinners that deserve death.
>If i put faith in God will satan stop torturing me?
depends. satan doesnt want you on Gods side and will attack your faith the best he can to discourage you.
>Why should i put faith in someone who could prevent me from suffering but chose not to?
we are all sinners bro. be true to yourself. by nature we are a rebel against God.
>He could, at any time, remove satan and end the suffering, correct?
yes, along with you.
>Is there someone above him that is preventing him from doing that?
you are still resisting him. you are preventing him and his love for you makes him let satan rule the world still a bit longer.
>So i just say 'i acknowledge God exists and rules over me' and i wont feel any pain and suffering anymore?
no, but it will be alot less. when you set your hearth truly on God he will answer you and carry you through personally. he gives you rest and peace in this world already.

>>22800315
>Why do animals die then?
because Adam introduced death in general. plants die too. everything got corrupted at the fall.
>Punishing an innocent man for the actions of a guilty man is evil and an explicit inversion of justice.
then you have to justify yourself before God which you cant.
thats the entire point. you are not God, you cant answer for yourself, we are all sinners.
>Cool so everyone goes to heaven then because this transaction already happened thousands of years ago
if you acknowledge what Jesus accomplished on the cross for you, yes.
otherwise you have to answer on your own.

>>22800312
>You ever see what happens when a father gives his child whatever they want, whenever they want? Do you see what happens when a man makes his son an apprentice under him before allowing him to inherit his wealth and enterprise? It typically turns out better than if he had just given him the keys to the kingdom without working and toiling to appreciate his inheritance? The message is absolutely clear to me.
Umm, if he would have created them properly they would do things properly and there would be no problems.Is he unable to create us properly or does he just not want to? Did he create us worse than we could have been in purpose?>>22800312
>He doesn't. For once in my life, I am actually healed of my past traumas and bitterness. For once, I can wake up in the morning and understand that His mercy towards me is unending. I understand the depth of my sin against Him, and against those I have wronged in my past, but with His Holy Spirit, I have finally overcome the carnal and beastly nature I used to live by, becoming just a little bit more like Jesus. It's not about being good enough. You and I both endure much suffering in this vapor of an existence (Born Again or not), but with Him, I can wake up with the entrenched endurance I need to occupy and not abandon my station in the War of the Ages. Most importantly, I can smile and keep my head held high as I march towards my reward. The world can mock as long as they'd like. Many are called, but few are chosen.
>Brother, seek Him with all of your mind, heart, soul and spirit. First, take possession on His Holy Spirit. Yes, you have to ask Him. It will take intentful prayer and a sincere heart.
A bunch of mumbo jumbo... All i get form this is that somehow you have a magic switch inside you that you can flip and nothing bothers you anymore. Life must be easy if you can just do that and not care how you feel...

>>22800317
the point is that you learn that God is sovereign and only putting yourself under him solves the answers you are looking for.
the second you dont put your faith in God satan comes in. there is no grey area. its God or satan.

>>22800285
yes faith because there's no proof. If you want to cope it's fine...just dont reproduce. Dont create another coper

>>22800310
its not religion. its faith. I dont go to the church, I listen to the Word of God alone. by faith are you saved through grace, not by works.

>>22800322
>>22800323
>we are all sinners that deserve death
Why did a perfect God make a world entirely filled with *checks notes* broken, evil sinners?

A master painter makes master paintings, but the Christian god produces only evil sinners

>you are not God, you cant answer for yourself, we are all sinners
I am merely what the creator made me

>>22800237
The great filter is Medicine

>>22800303
You're NOT native to Germany.
gas yourself, roachnigger

>>22800328
>Why did a perfect God make a world entirely filled with *checks notes* broken, evil sinners?
to show that we need him and his Son Jesus. its all about the realization that you are wicked in nature.
thats why we get a new body in the new creation and a changed hearth in this life.

>A master painter makes master paintings, but the Christian god produces only evil sinners
if you look at the big picture it is still a perfect work. God uses the evil for good.
if you realize that all makes a lot more sense.

>I am merely what the creator made me
the pot cant say to the potter why did you make me like that. thats why God reaches out to you for a new heaven and earth without satan.

>>22800228 (OP)
I do not fear God anymore.
I fear His power, but I don't fear Him as a person.
What a fucking nigger.
>t. believer.

>>22800330
is you are not white the only thing americans think about?
you cant even perceive that there are native believers in Jesus walking in germany.
thats just sad man. attacking the messenger instead of the message. childish.

>>22800310
The thing is there is a very real spiritual and worldly danger people are vulnerable to. It's like with people that aren't living right. You can try to tell them that they're about to fall into a hole but they don't have to listen to you either..
Things really are that bad and they can get a lot worse.
Think mind control. That can be used to get people to do some really bad things. If people don't know how to defend themselves from spiritual warfare in an age of psyops, that's what happens. People are losing their minds.

>>22800228 (OP)
>He created you and created everything.
What does he use his dick for?

I challenge God to meet me, without the brainwashing, as I am.

>>22800331
>to show that we need him and his Son Jesus. its all about the realization that you are wicked in nature
You're saying that God intentionally made humans evil so that they'd be forced to accept Jesus

>the pot cant say to the potter why did you make me like that. thats why God reaches out to you for a new heaven and earth without satan
He could have just made heaven to begin with and not made Satan. That would have spared a lot of babies from being raped to death

>if you look at the big picture it is still a perfect work. God uses the evil for good
How does God use the rape and murder of children for good? Why didn't he just make good originally without creating evil humans that cause horrendous suffering? He could have made a perfect heaven to begin with

>>22800228 (OP)
>if you don't worship the holy Jew you'll be punished after you die!
Get your Jewish shit out of here

His glazers dickriders can shut the fuck up.

>>22800322
>so you come to him.
Why would i want to come to someone who wants me to feel bad?
>yes, along with you ofc, we are all sinners that deserve death.
Aha, and who created us such? Why weren't we created properly? Why are we being blamed for not being created properly? Why are we being punished for not being perfect when we were created specifically not to be perfect? Why were we purposefully made worse than we could have been, and why is God now trying to convince us that it's our fault we were created that way?
>we are all sinners bro. be true to yourself. by nature we are a rebel against God.
Why is our nature wrong? Why weren't we made properly?
>yes, along with you.
Why can't he just remove satan? Is there someone above God that is preventing him from doing that?
>you are still resisting him. you are preventing him and his love for you makes him let satan rule the world still a bit longer.
What love? What is this love you keep talking about? How is God showing me love? Did he show me love when he made me suffer when he could have prevented it? Is he showing me love now when he is refusing to eliminate the one who is making me suffer, the one who he also created?
It doesn't make any sense you know...
What do i have to do for God to stop the pain and suffering? Nothing? Doesn't that mean then that whatever i do it will be wrong? Why should i do anything then if i know it will be wrong? Why pretend there are right choices when there aren't, what's that all about then?

>>22800228 (OP)
What if we met aliums and they had a totally different interpretation of reality than humans did, due to having alien psychology??
This notion of “a creator” is nonsensical because even other humans it’s extremely varied

>>22800320
You're taking a wild, off chance bet that your guys, and your guys alone have somehow found out the ultimate truth and everybody else is wrong and are asking me to believe it without further proof as well.
Please tell me how that is a good proposition.

>>22800327
I respect taht, but theres millions of people out there who are utterly convinced that you are damning yourself to eternal hellfire this way.

>>22800334
If you need religion as a crutch to not be a shitty human or get yourself brainwashed by memes, then you won't make it either way.

>>22800341
Or imagine knowing everything and being immortal. Imagine being able to go anywhere and do anything.
That's what the machine elves are like.
They are really fast. Like lightning. They say they transcend time.
Fun fact. 'Lightning' and 'time machine' have the same gematria value.

>>22800232
Jesus teaches that we can't be his disciple unless we hate our own lives, rabbi. He teaches us that we must love him above all worldly things, and that his kingdom is not of this world. His teaching is not that complicated, and I know you know that. I know you're a rabbi, because that's the argument you scum make in your Talmud about Amalak
>reeeee how can you believe in YHWH but rebel against him
>youre being irrrraational

You chop dicks, suck baby penis, torture animals, kill civilians and continue to wage Zionist terrorism against humanity, all because some dude told you he talked to a burning bush 3000 years ago. What's rational about that? You don't seem rational. You seem like pathetic, sniveling, greasy little bootlicking yes men.

>>22800340
>Why is our nature wrong? Why weren't we made properly?
It's cosmic gaslighting. A Creator blaming his creations for not being perfect. It's like a child getting mad at a drawing he drew for not looking good enough

>>22800337
>You're saying that God intentionally made humans evil so that they'd be forced to accept Jesus
no, we all play god and utterly fail at it. humans need a ruler and instead of other humans Jesus offers to be your ruler.

>He could have just made heaven to begin with and not made Satan.
satan was an angel. even angels can sin because they are just another creation like humans.
>How does God use the rape and murder of children for good?
so you fucking realize how wicked and bad humans and its ruler truly are and come to Christ while you were not raped to death. how fucking entitled are you?

>>22800342
Well spreading the word helps. If you don't know something you need to learn.
It's a shame isn't it?

>>22800325
>the point is that you learn that God is sovereign
So does that mean that if you're sovereign that you can make others suffer without repercussions?
> and only putting yourself under him solves the answers you are looking for.
What does putting myself under him mean exactly? Solves the answers, but not the problems, am i right? He refuses to solve any of our problems, and we are purposefully underequipped to solve them ourselves. And i'm supposed to trust someone who did this to me? How can i trust someone who hates me that much? I don't understand you people. Do you like pain and suffering? How can you like someone who forces you to feel these things, who forces you to feel bad? Do you just not care? Are you completely numb and devoid of feeling, can you detach yourself from pain?

>>22800343
I could never trip acid because I couldn’t handle it

>>22800340
did you ever think about going to God with those questions?
he all answered it in his Word. read the bible, its all explained in detail.

>>22800238
Simmer down there, Vukmir Vukmir

>>22800340
>Did he show me love when he made me suffer when he could have prevented it?
everyone fucking suffers. suck it up and stop bitching like a fucking baby.
there are a fuckton of people who suffered more than you.

>>22800228 (OP)
The creator is a dumb cunt and also faggot nigger

>>22800349
Cuz I'm in too deep and I'm trying to keep up above in my head instead of going under.

>>22800354
You’ll be alright
I’m drunk af rn so im posting thoughts that i normally would not

>>22800237
>commonly achieved evolutionaly leaps
>that one line after the great filter
How can it be common if only one group has been able to get there?

>>22800348
>sovereign that you can make others suffer without repercussions?
did you skip the part where God being blameless suffered for you brutal on the cross?
what else do you fucking want?

>He refuses to solve any of our problems
the moment I repented of my ways and turned to Jesus all my worldly problems were being taken care off immediately. you dont even try and thus continue in your own ways and suffer for it.

I cant make it more simple than that. you refuse to see, its your decision to stay away from God.

>>22800355
I'm just saying there's a hidden world all around us and they're all crazy.

>>22800346
>satan was an angel. even angels can sin because they are just another creation like humans
And God knew that Satan would fall, didn't he? Yet he made Satan anyways

>so you fucking realize how wicked and bad humans and its ruler truly are and come to Christ while you were not raped to death. how fucking entitled are you?
I'm just asking why God didn't make people perfect to begin with? God could have a world without baby rape yet he specifically chose to make the world with baby rape. That strikes me as horrendously evil

>>22800358
Man, I hope this knowledge does not harm you

>>22800324

Umm, if he would have created them properly they would do things properly and there would be no problems.Is he unable to create us properly or does he just not want to? Did he create us worse than we could have been in purpose?

I used to think the way you are right now, and I know it's coming from a place of pain and suffering -- just like it did for me. Refusing to understand His point of view and settiny my heart against Him, I was refusing the answer to the Why that I was searching for from everything and everyone but Him. Consider gold; how is it that gold is purified, and for what purpose is this done. Or, consider the tree; how does it grow huge, dense and strong? Without wind and even storms from time to time, would an old wood tree ne half as strong and glorious? There is a method to the madness, but yes, all of this looks like foolishness to someone is either satisfied to someone whose lot is happily in this vain and temporal existence, or one who would prefer to live in perpetual victimhood and continue looking to the world (proxy of Satan) for answers.

> A bunch of mumbo jumbo... All i get form this is that somehow you have a magic switch inside you that you can flip and nothing bothers you anymore. Life must be easy if you can just do that and not care how you feel...


I'm telling you, it's not. To me, it has become even more foolish to trust in this world and even look to myself for hope and salvation. It's not a magic switch. It's a relationship I've developed with the God of all Creation that has set me free from the wiles of Satan and his crafty demoralization. It isn't that nothing bothers me anymore or that I have life on easy mode. It's that I see the good God has done with my life despite all Satan has meant for evil, and where He is taking those who have put their trust in Him. There is a Way to truly live, and and He is the Maker of It. Call it mumbo jumbo if you desire, but I want you to overcome this world.

>>22800361

>Umm, if he would have created them properly they would do things properly and there would be no problems.Is he unable to create us properly or does he just not want to? Did he create us worse than we could have been in purpose?*

>>22800359
>I'm just asking why God didn't make people perfect to begin with?
Because we live in a binary world.

>>22800359
>And God knew that Satan would fall, didn't he? Yet he made Satan anyways
he died for you, not for satan.
satan is finished, but to you he gave the option of eternal life.
easy decision really.

>I'm just asking why God didn't make people perfect to begin with?
he will. thats where the whole faith thing comes in. that is what its all about.

>God could have a world without baby rape yet he specifically chose to make the world with baby rape.
God chose Israel to totally eradicate child sacrifice from the face of the earth.
they failed and did it themselves. I dont think God is ok with harming children in any way.

>>22800350
>did you ever think about going to God with those questions?
I assume he can hear my thoughts, he was supposed to know everything about us before he even created us (including the fact that we would suffer, and then he still went through it... how can you trust someone like that?) so he must know i do not like pain and suffering and that it makes me feel bad (and others also to not just be about me, because it's not). He knows, he made me that way. I was made powerless against him and against pain and suffering, and he is using them to make me feel bad, and there is nothing i can do to stop him. What do you think, how do i feel about him? I don't think that's love, it shouldn't feel that bad when someone loves you.

>>22800357
>did you skip the part where God being blameless suffered for you brutal on the cross?
So why didn't he prevent that?

>>22800360
It's kind of funny in a way. I don't like it though.

>>22800346
>humans need a ruler and instead of other humans Jesus offers to be your ruler.
Hes hasn't exactly done a lot of ruling those past 2000 years. And before he was around, the Romans did a top tier job of corralling the Yids. No idea how you can walk into the province of Judaea and think its so badly governed that divine intervention is needed.

>>22800357
>suffered for you brutal on the cross?
First off, didn't ask him to. Secondly, afaik he was suffering the punishment he would have inflicted on humanity otherwise. Seems more like passive aggressive gaslighting to me.

>all my worldly problems were being taken care off immediately.
You mean you stopped caring about them so much. Thats a mental issue, not a godly act.
>you dont even try
How would you "try" something like that? Start believing and expect that your rent pays itself from that day onwards? I am doubtful.

>>22800348
>we are purposefully underequipped to solve them ourselves
We are perfectly equipped to solve our problems, unless we hinder ourselves with all kinds of mindfuck.
I assume faith removes said hindrance for some people.

>>22800357
>the moment I repented of my ways and turned to Jesus all my worldly problems were being taken care off immediately.
You never feel pain anymore?

>>22800344
If I am a rabbi, may I be smiten by whatever gay force created this gay world.
If I am not a rabbi and you are lying against me, may you and your faggot family get murdered by a pack of niggers, you circumcised cock-sleeve for a circumcised rabbi.

>>22800364
>I dont think God is ok with harming children in any way
He specifically created a world in which children are harmed every single day, when he could have created a world in which zero children are harmed. God chose to hurt children, knowingly and willingly

>>22800365
bro you are being tortured by demons YOU invited.
there is a person you can go to for that. watch this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nqAGdE6l_Js&t=1s

>>22800367
Sorry bro
Thanks for the warning however, I will heed it well. I am not strong like you are

>>22800366
because he wants you to live with him? do you not get that its a free offer by God to have life?

>>22800228 (OP)
god created a man capable of hate. it's not my fault

>>22800229
Neither Zeus nor Odin, in their respective mythologies, were ever assumed, said, or stated to be creator deities.

>>22800370
The gay psyop stupid world is not a reason to hate God. The creepy poop monsters are actors putting on a big show. They absolutely despise you. You need to go up because they're trying to drag you down.

>>22800228 (OP)
I’m grateful for the creator, how else would rabbis be able to suck all those baby cocks?
And where would we be if there were no retards? This is why I thank god every day

>>22800373
I'm Duke Nukem.

>>22800368
>Thats a mental issue, not a godly act.
so the moment I repent and return to God my bank casually chooses to pay out some fucking saving account I didnt even know existed and got me from being in the red to over 12k instantly is not an act by God? and that this money lasted me for over 6 years taking care of all my worries still having some of it to this day?
bro, God takes care of you.

>How would you "try" something like that? Start believing and expect that your rent pays itself from that day onwards?
repenting and turning your way back to God, wanting to change the way you think. asking for a new consciousness. faith is given by God. but you have to change the way you live.
and yes, he takes care of your rent. money comes out of nowhere. wanna know why? he own all the money.

>>22800368
>We are perfectly equipped to solve our problems
lead in water, microplastics in the blood, toxic air. yeah, we are perfectly equipped to destroy the planet and ourselves for the last thousand years.
enjoy the consequences of your humanism.

>>22800228 (OP)
He doesn't exist to hate.

>>22800379
>im here to chew ass and kick bubble gum
And im all out of ASS

>>22800371
you dont think he is perfectly just to them? do you think people who do this go scotts free after death?
every sin is paid in full.

>>22800232
>Literally every religion has some type of Hell
>Attacks Christ only and calls him a brownoid jew
Every time.

>>22800361
> It isn't that nothing bothers me anymore or that I have life on easy mode.
So nothing changed for the better then? Has anything improved then?
>It's that I see the good God has done with my life despite all Satan has meant for evil, and where He is taking those who have put their trust in Him.
I can't trust in someone who created someone else with the purpose to make me suffer and i can't trust someone who tries to do elaborate tricks on me with some promises of some reward if i let him torture me further, it's just sick. Why does God absolutely insist we hurt ourselves if we want to be with him, whatever that means? What kind of sadist does that kind of thing? It's psychotic behaviour, is it not? How can you trust someone who wants to either hurt you directly or wants you to hurt yourself? Do you people simply not get hurt? Or do you just not care? Can you ignore the pain somehow?

>>22800266
And you wonder why pagans don't like you.

>>22800341
The aliums understand the power of consciousness, the mind of everything animate (they taught us that things like worms are inanimate, as in they don't possess the consciousness that we do and therefore cannot rise, they're more robotic I guess you can say) and they left us that knowledge. At one time they lived among us as teachers. Good luck telling people here that though, many of them are determined to keep believing they're some Gods bitch.

>>22800228 (OP)
>Be born
>Eat shit your entire life
>Die
>God asks you to leave a tip
Such is the way of the christcuck

>>22800228 (OP)
ok...
But why would THE CREATOR create jews as special ?

>>22800380
>bro, God takes care of you.
Thing is, I highly doubt it plays out like this for everyone , or even a majority of people. I'm not unwilling to believe you, but I think it is fairly dodgy to give people that expectation. Shouldnt there be more to spirituality than hope that all your worldly problems fix themselves?
>and that this money lasted me for over 6 years taking care of all my worries
That was you, spending said money repsonsbily. Someone else would have run off ot the next one armed bandit and ended up where he started three days later. That was on you.

>>22800381
>lead in water, microplastics in the blood, toxic air.
Advanced medicine, food security and even abundance ,technology that allows safety and comfort. But as above, so below - these things carry their price.

>>22800388
If they did do that, fuck them
They made everything so much worse

>>22800374
>because he wants you to live with him?
So why didn't he make me live with him from the start?
> do you not get that its a free offer by God to have life?
Free? Does having life mean i am forced to pay with suffering ti live? Or can i live without suffering?

>>22800228 (OP)
>Hating the Creator is completely irrational.
O ódio pelos brasileiros é completamente racional, que pessoas mais nojentas e o máximo exemplo de desperdício humano

>>22800392
No, fuck the ones who made you forget.

>>22800266
Yes in my heart of hearts I just KNOW its the jewish one! Thank you rabbi!

>>22800395
No ayys made me. They’re just shitty neglectful grandparents of all that is now

>>22800372
>bro you are being tortured by demons YOU invited.
Aha, ok. The fact that i am powerless against those things somehow means i am tortured by demons... Is it not true?
Who made demons by the way? Does God have the power to eliminate them?
>there is a person you can go to for that. watch this.
I'd rather see God stop doing it, you know, it'd be nice. It wouldn't cost him anything...

>>22800398
They do it to me too. My whole life. They are disgusting. But I know they do it because time is short. The truth is beautiful and they don't want you to figure it out. God is the truth. Nothing you experience here is worth being cut off from God.

>>22800384
>you dont think he is perfectly just to them? do you think people who do this go scotts free after death?
Having the ability to prevent evil, and not preventing it, is evil

Knowing that your creation will commit evil before you create it, then creating it anyways, is evil

God torturing his creations because they did the things he knew they would do is evil

>>22800399
>Nothing you experience here is worth being cut off from God.
So i am not cut off from God now? I am with him? Or how does this work?
So basically you're threatening me that however bad i feel now, if i'm not able to be happy about it i will experience something even worse? Why the constant obsession with making people feel bad? Why can't we focus on IMPROVING our lives? How can i feel happy if i'm forced to feel pain? Does pain make you feel happy?

>>22800401
>How does this work?
>>22800388
To be cut off from God is to become inanimate, because God is the ultimate consciousness. The Logos. You are not cut off from God, therefore you have the power within you to rise.
https://youtu.be/X791IzOwt3Q?si=8imru1LprBrzCZGu

>>22800399
>The truth is beautiful and they don't want you to figure it out. God is the truth. Nothing you experience here is worth being cut off from God.
What does that even mean?

>>22800401
These beings are immortal. They were separated from God. You know the truth. That's how you fight back. That's how you improve. God loves you. The suffering you experience here won't even matter compared to eternity. That's not a bad thing. They have it way worse than you could imagine. They are without excuse.

>>22800402
>To be cut off from God is to become inanimate, because God is the ultimate consciousness.
And? Does that mean the suffering stops when i'm cut off? Does the suffering persist while i'm not cut.off?
>The Logos. You are not cut off from God, therefore you have the power within you to rise.
What does that mean? To rise? Can i rise above feeling pain and suffering, so that i am able to ignore it completely? If not what good does it do?

>>22800386

>So nothing changed for the better then? Has anything improved then?

Yes, things have, in both my spiritual ability to face the challenges of my day to day life as an opportunity to grow and learn fortitude under the Wing of my God, and a few personal blessings I honestly did not see coming (I'm sorry, but it's a bit personal).

>I can't trust in someone who created someone else with the purpose to make me suffer

I really hope you discover the purpose to our suffering, and wholeheartedly see what all of this working towards. No, I'm not saying you shouldn't have healthy boundaries with other people, but I am also aware that we spend a vapor of time in the grand scheme of eternity with people whose hearts are far from God, and use it as an opportunity for avarice, wickedness and brutality against others.

> and i can't trust someone who tries to do elaborate tricks on me with some promises of some reward if i let him torture me further, it's just sick.

It's not an elaborate trick, and if you understood the aims of His purposes and Ways, as well as the reward you will receive for enduring as a good soldier, you'd understand the glory and honor that await you.

>Why does God absolutely insist we hurt ourselves if we want to be with him, whatever that means?

Actually, you CAN enjoy life and HAVE peace, not as the world does, but as one with the Holy Spirit of hope and promise. If you knew who I used to be, you wouldn't recognize the character I am now. My life HAS changed for the better, and I really don't know how else to explain it to you, but I can't say I haven't tried. It is possible, and my purpose here today is to tell you that ANYTHING is possible with God, not to prove anything here. You must choose what response you accept from the underwater basket weaving forum. I'm just here to give you my testimony.

>>22800228 (OP)
Christ is King

-If- there's a creator I don't hate him, but I have a low opinion of human myths which try to anthropomorphize it.

ALL WHO HATE ME LOVES DEATH

There is total sense in Loving Death and Loving Destruction rather than Truth and Peace

>>22800402
I want to be inanimate

>>22800404
>These beings are immortal. They were separated from God.
Why didn't God prevent them from doing that? Why didn't he prevent them from existing in the first place? Why did he not just eliminate him? Was there someone above him that was preventing him from doing that?
>You know the truth. That's how you fight back. That's how you improve.
I don't know the truth, nobody wants to tell it. How do i fight back against pain? There is no defense, no avoiding it, there's nothing i can do against it. God wants me to feel pain (or at least he could have prevented me from feeling pain but didn't, which is the same), and so i am forced to feel pain. There is nothing to fight in this case. Completely powerless.

>>22800386

>What kind of sadist does that kind of thing? It's psychotic behaviour, is it not? How can you trust someone who wants to either hurt you directly or wants you to hurt yourself? Do you people simply not get hurt? Or do you just not care? Can you ignore the pain somehow?

You can choose to suffocate in the mire of the world, or you can choose to overcome it through Jesus (God), and not in your own strength. If you refuse to understand (it is possible to understand), you will unfortunately discover that you had a choice this whole time. All of this, I speak from personal experience. You must choose whether to believe it or not. I feel pain and suffering as you do, but I understand the strength it is building in me.

I have to keep moving along. Remember this conversation.

>>22800405
Yes. Physical pain can be controlled with sensory control, what happens is the pain becomes a sense of vibrations on your skin.
You can control your emotions easily once you reach the higher level of consciousness.
>What does it mean to rise?
It means we'll put one of these bad boys behind your head in hieroglyphics. Hahaha.
You access the right side of the brain, become connected with your supreme self (your spirit, the piece of your consciousness that's fully part of the Logos). You have to rise the cerebrospinal fluid (divine nectar) into your brain. With it will come a flow of veil/chi/prana. This is what's been known as the "chakras".

>>22800413
Exactly this. The solar plexus clown gliders man. It's real.

>>22800228 (OP) Hating the hand that feeds you is dumb, but yet... atheists can't reason.

>>22800404
>God loves you.
There it is again... He loves me so much he didn't prevent me from suffering. If that's love i don't want his love.
>The suffering you experience here won't even matter compared to eternity.
It does matter now, i don't care what you or him are promising, if God needs to torture me first i'm just not for it, i can't trust someone like that, period. How can you trust someone like that? Someone who could do it all without the torture, but prefers to do it with? You just don't do that.

There is no such thing as the perfect system. Praise the Creator.

>>22800417
Don't you think the Creator can come up with Perfection?

>>22800406
>I really hope you discover the purpose to our suffering
The only purpose of suffering is to make you feel bad. I don't know what other purpose you see in suffering that you like it so much. I don't, i hate suffering, and i hate pain, and i would much prefer if i could avoid them, but i'm not so lucky, so i have no choice but to feel bad. If i could choose i would feel good, but i'm not allowed to.

The users are the Master Race

>>22800416
Why does suffering have to exist? We all experience suffering.

>>22800233
This. Fuck off with your desert sect OP, nobody believes in that shit anymore

>>22800228 (OP)
That is why Free Will exists. You can go against God all you want on Earth, but you will regret it after you die.

>>22800423
And you learned this from the book with the talking snake?

>>22800228 (OP)
He made the people that hate him to hate him so its kinda on him

>>22800406
>It's not an elaborate trick,
Well God is certainly not being honest, he hasn't been since tricking Adam...
>and if you understood the aims of His purposes and Ways, as well as the reward you will receive for enduring as a good soldier, you'd understand the glory and honor that await you.
But i don't understand. I don't understand why not do things right from the start and that's it. Nobody can explain that. All i get are vague excuses on why God, in all his power, absolutely needs us to suffer, he just can't, just can't make it so that we don't. He could do anything, create this world, create us, everything, but he can't stop the suffering? It just doesn't make sense, nothing, especially not the amount and intensity here, can excuse the suffering. You just can't be that evil to FORCE someone to go through it all. I can't understand, because i can't be that evil.

>>22800228 (OP)
>created
*is creating
There is no past, only now.

>>22800228 (OP)
It does because life sucks and suffering exists, dumb nigger.
Also if there is a creator there is no free will, he shouldn't get to judge my actions.

>>22800228 (OP)
>Hating the Creator is the same as saying that you hate yourself
Some people hate themselves though.

>>22800236
This. Purely from a physical perspective, humans are a flawed animal, linear time and causal interaction dictates scarcity, damage and decay.
Add in the idea that you have a spirit and every brain dead gibsmedat has one too, just as valuable as yours; well, you've got an Almighty Tormentor on your hands. Just thinking about ones own limited capacity to improve education and well-being in the presence of something/someone who could fix it on a whim and set things up so you would stumble and take damage in the first place...just makes you automatically HATE the fucker. I haven't even suffered 1/10000000th of what this planet planet has to offer and I fucking hate it. I imagine the abrahamic omni-god doesn't talk to anyone on account of how much everyone thinks this entire universe where satan has ANY presence is stupid and a bad idea.

I fucking hate it here bros. Haven't killed myself yet because I don't have any guarantee I won't end up in a new, deeper layer of suffering that the npcs call Hell. Personally, I feel a world without any father god walking around IS Hell. Makes it worse that we have the capacity to imagine an almighty being, let alone not have any accounting of its existence.

You have to remember what is going on. Why everything turns to shit. The world is cursed and Satan is here (not in ‘Hell’, he rules the world). But it was that or destroy us, the creator is fixing us and the curse won’t last forever, we are already at The End, not long to go now. Evil, globo, judaism, all the wokeys, the inbred asian retards all of it is going to face JUDGEMENT DAY when the messiah overthrows the last globo empire, the last and greatest ‘beast’. Then God returns to live here again and the kingdom of heaven begins, this world fixed, changed to how it should have been all along and the people who could be fixed all returned, changed and immortal once again.

i don't hate any potential creator of the universe. i hate people who make up and follow dogshit religions, especially the schizo kike-based ones.

>>22800228 (OP)
how can you people force yourself to believe any of this horseshit?

>>22800406
>my purpose here today is to tell you that ANYTHING is possible with God
Then we wouldn't be in this mess. But we are.
Can God make me not feel pain? Yes? No? If he can he should do it, that's it. If he's with me then he can do it, i give him permission. So will he? Will he be honest and reply at least? Or will the world be just the same tomorrow?

>I don’t like it
Neither can anyone. But man did what globo does, we fell for lucifers trick and turned on God and tried to overthrow him and take his secrets, to become like God & the angels and to invade the heavens.

>>22800412
>I feel pain and suffering as you do, but I understand the strength it is building in me.
Ah so you want me to continue feeling pain and suffering? You don't want to actually help me, you just want to convince me that i should like it, or at least that i shouldn't resist it? You want me to suffer more, not less, is that correct?
What part of stop feeling pain and suffering do you not understand? Why are you trying to trick me to suffer? What are your motives really? Why does everyone in this damn world want me to suffer? Why the hate?

>>22800228 (OP)
>He created you and created everything. Hating the Creator is the same as saying that you hate yourself and all existing things. It makes no sense.

The judeo-christian-muslim god is not the creator but a much lesser entity. The actual creator god is The Black Sun, which the pajeets call Brahma. And Brahma does not chuck DNA bots into burning lava because it would be utterly pointless.

>>22800285
>demons in control
why have faith if that's who your creator puts in power? an almighty entity poofs you into demon world and lets you get passed around in a short life before making it to an eternity of love and comfort... having lived a life on planet earth, I don't think I've once had the thought that someone loved me besides myself. Reading your post makes me feel that god HATES EVERYONE and the only way to cope is to take enough brain damage to stall the inevitable judgement for how well you danced when you were in the frying pan. Literal mind-virus shit.

>>22800228 (OP)
>Hating the Creator is the same as saying that you hate yourself and all existing things
I do hate myself and all existing things. What now?

>>22800228 (OP)
Rational is a myth.

First is born the spirit. Then, thoughts.

>>22800229
Are you an atheist? I don't discuss matters with fools. If you accept that there is a God, we can talk.

If an action you are about to do will result in you or anyone else suffering then it is not the right action to do. Another, better action, such that it doesn't cause you or anyone else to suffer, should be found and performed. If an action results in you or anyone else suffering then it can't be called good.
Apparently this is too much for God and it can't be done. He just can't. Sorry. No other way but to hurt you. He just really has to, you know. Don't ask too much, we can't tell you, just take it. It's supposed to feel bad, yes, that's good.

>>22800439
It's a matter of resolve, it has nothing to do with arguments. What you resolve, so you become, then too are thoughts. "reason" - because of the spirit.

inner darkness is the darkest darkness.

inner light is more powerful than physical situations and outcomes.

>>22800228 (OP)
No it's completely rational the mf made the ability to suffer, feel excruciating torturous agonizing pain physically and mentally, feel fear, dread, lose loved ones etc etc all the worst shit you can conceive of a perfect being wouldn't make shit like that certainly not a benevolent one only a malevolent being would.

>>22800442
Yet, if we are to consider the unquestionable blessing of grace - grace from what? so we don't see light without darkness, but in differentiation the greater is victor.

>the darkness has not understood it

and

>darkness covered the surface of the deep

>>22800309
>create a universe wherein satan could sin and drag down billions of souls with him for untold aeons
>all made possible by someone who works in mysterious ways and won't speak to you until you're dead and gone from this Waiting Room Where The Devil Is King

omnipotence is not compatible with a universe filled with disparity. it was a jewish mind-trick all along, right up there with cartoon propaganda.

>>22800444
Yet we acknowledge the greatness is in overcoming - overcoming what? And so we have the exalted one, who from beyond our own practical preferences is Goodness, and it is because he:
>makes all things new

>>22800228 (OP)
Based take
>>22800229
Everything in the world around me is proof enough, the more I learn about our world and life, the more proof of divine creation I see
>>22800230
Reddit take
>>22800232
I'd love to hear your take on Judaism and Islam. Seems like Christians get all the attention.

>>22800446
>disparity
And how would the noble and proud achievement of overcoming be possible without disparity?

Overcoming - overcoming what?

>>22800228 (OP)
I do hate myself though

>>22800447
What is that suppose to mean can you tell me in layman's terms?

>>22800450
Grotesque groveling.

>>22800451
To overcome is obviously a high good, but you can't overcome things without obstacles.

>>22800453
Okay but what's the end goal what's the reasoning why do we have to overcome obstacles in the first place? Why not just make everything a paradise if the creator is a benevolent being?

>>22800430
>Makes it worse that we have the capacity to imagine an almighty being, let alone not have any accounting of its existence.
Human laws hold creators responsible for their creations. If a mom doesn't feed her children she goes to jail. If a man lets his dog out and it bites someone, he goes to jail. If an engineer makes a bridge and it collapses, he gets sued

Yet so many people think that the all-knowing, all-powerful Creator of all things shouldn't be held responsible for the condition of his creation. It's absurd. They hold an omniscient God less personally responsible than they do single moms

Christianity is disgustingly weak when it comes to God's moral agency. They create an infinite amount of slimey excuses. Compare this to Islam where they just directly say that God is the direct cause of everything, all good and all evil, in pure chad style

>>22800228 (OP)
fuck god fuck jesus fuck the holy spirit fuck satan

>>22800238
sorry hes too busy being bill gates toilet paper and licking normies assholes
i hate being alive in this world gods a fucking faggot

>>22800266
Hello, Benjamin. Your yamaka is too tight.

>>22800228 (OP)
I'm singing in the rain~
Just singing in the rain~
What a glorious feeling~
I'm happy again~
I'm laughing at clouds~
So high up above~
The sun's in my heart~
And I'm ready for love~

>>22800228 (OP)
I wish all life to cease to be.
It was an anomaly, a coincidence, a mistake of chance, for that chemical reaction in that warm shallow sea to continue reacting this long. All it's done is cause problems for itself with zero benefit that isn't self-manufactured.
Shut it the fuck down.

>>22800413
>You access the right side of the brain, become connected with your supreme self (your spirit, the piece of your consciousness that's fully part of the Logos). You have to rise the cerebrospinal fluid (divine nectar) into your brain. With it will come a flow of veil/chi/prana. This is what's been known as the "chakras".
And why is this being denied from us? Why doesn't it work already? What good does it do? Does it do anything about pain and suffering?

>>22800454
Becoming is greater than being simply born to it. but what often happens is we are given enormous blessings others could only imagine as possibilities.

I will give you an example.

In WWII there was an opportunity to show enormous valor, and such opportunities rarely happen now.

But these men couldn't have imagined a situation where they could literally stand up to idolatry, or to the temptation of idolatry, yet today the USA is overrun by indians who seem very lucky, and get their luck from their idols. So we have a real and present tremendous opportunity that was unthinkable to a prior age, and a blessing, because you can achieve great things in the face of such.

>>22800228 (OP)
>He created you and created everything.
I don't owe him shit for that.

>>22800228 (OP)
Total yahweh Death

The creators design sucks ass.

>>22800454
>>22800462
And another one is like it, it was unthinkable for much of Christiandom that there would have been a society level pressure to engage in sodomy. Yet you have the unusually opportunity to resist such a thing.

>>22800460
Gladly.
https://youtu.be/0qtIMNPdHGA

>>22800449
Pride is a sin and I think I'd be fine with selecting what challenges I encountered vs having to repeat what a million other people also suffered under. I didn't want them to suffer either. I personally know that the stupid choices made by my personal ancestors were enacted BECAUSE they were suffering and wanted out. My tiny little human mind cam think of all kinds of ways to challenge people without making them suffer, so I KNOW an almighty god would have zero trouble with it.
One world languge, reflexive information (born with knowledge in your head), elimination of all pathogens, natual landscapes that encourage exploration, all vegetation edible, all organoids inedible, bones cannot be broken, lightweight telepathic comms with any living being, lives cannot be taken by anyone other than the creator.... these are just small improvements to existing reality. My teeny tiny imperfect self can think of these things, but the almighty has decided to leave them out or make it HARDER on you and me and the billions who came before us. An evil fucking creator who judges us as we crawl through the abrasive world he made. Also, jewish.

>>22800413
>Yes. Physical pain can be controlled with sensory control, what happens is the pain becomes a sense of vibrations on your skin.
Controlled... why not turned off? It only makes me feel bad, i don't need it. Make a red light go off in my eye if the body absolutely needs to tell me something is damaged so much that i should stop using it.
>You can control your emotions easily once you reach the higher level of consciousness.
Why doesn't this work already? Why are things like this denied from us? Why are we behind in every single thing? Why don't we work properly?

>>22800228 (OP)
>Hating the Creator is the same as saying that you hate yourself and all existing things.
Yes.

>>22800466
Right but we wouldn't have to resist any of that if everything were just a paradise though you wouldn't have to worry about an adversary

>>22800229
Zeus = Jupiter = Yahweh
Same guy.

>>22800463
Wisdom is life at its least, and continuation is necessarily a whole with the Order. And the Order is the whole as a soldier.

As the Order declines, then the death is already there. Now those who chase after death won't fail in their ventures, but their torment will be eternal, and on Earth typically outlast what they'd prefer.

They'll do their ant-order's lord's bidding, as his slave.

>>22800228 (OP)
The demiurge is a small retarded creator who had to kidnap people and trap them in his shitty simulation.

>>22800471
You were drafted into God's army, it's not a volunteer force.

>>22800447
You can't overcome pain, you can't defend from it, you can't avoid it. It wins by default.

>>22800476
Soldiers overcome pain all the time, and you can too.

>>22800322

Had to step back in for you momentarily. Please, brother, take this. Hoping to discuss this wild ride we've had in the Kingdom.

https://music.youtube.com/watch?v=hAj1kiZggH8&si=baovCfxCqimIdk3V

>>22800477
>Soldiers overcome pain all the time, and you can too.
You can't do anything against it, you can't disconnect from it, you Nothing you can do, completely powerless.

>>22800506
*can't avoid it, nothing. It forces itself on you and ruins your experience.

>>22800228 (OP)
>IM FALLING
>WHICH WAY IS UP?
>WHICH WAY IS DOWN?

>>22800478
As if it will help. Nothing helps against pain. It makes you feel bad and that's it, you lost. And to know that someone did this to you on purpose, well then, there's really not much to do or say. The damage has been done, the time spent suffering thrown away never to be returned. And then they ask you if you're ok and why you feel bad. It's not like you can choose how you feel.

>>22800418
The perfect system is having 2 stable systems which balance out eachother. Even that is not perfect.

>>22800575
If suffering is allowed to exist is because a greater good from this. The fall of Adam allowed the rise of Christ. Job suffered a lot than he gained twice as much as he had before. Everyone who has suffered intense pain and survived has become much stronger, more caring and more sensitive. So yes, the suffering has a purpose.

>>22800592

https://music.youtube.com/watch?v=guKXyU9QftI&si=yYKWSAF9TlE09tZT

>>22800228 (OP)
There is no creator

>>22800592
>greater good
The good that comes from suffering never feels as good as the suffering felt badly, not in duration nor in intensity. It's not equal at all. It's not 'greater' in any way. It's low, to have to rely on making others feel bad in order for you to do something 'great' when you know perfectly well how to do it great yourself, without subjecting others to suffering, it just doesn't make sense you know? It's not nice to make someone suffer, regardless of the motive or intention. If you can do it without making someone suffer then you should. It's like God has no empathy, he wouldn't have done this to us if he had it.

The fact that God was willing to force us to feel this much pain and suffering, that alone ends my trust in him. You can't trust someone like that, he keeps telling you that yes he is hurting you, but that what you feel isn't bad, it's actually good. So you wonder 'if this is actually good but for some reason feels horrible, why am i being tricked, who is tricking me?' but then the more you do it the worse it feels then it turns out God tricked you either way, either by making you experience it all wrong, or by lying to you about it. So how can you trust someone like that, someone who wants to trick you?

>>22800620

The same kind people who make you suffer out of their own volition have the same hearts as those who imagined vanity by crucifying Him, likewise vainly believing they could overcome the God Who overcomes death itself. Like Him, we will (in His Power), overcome suffering and death.

https://music.youtube.com/watch?v=3B605gdrqmk&si=G86IF-bd_sPJrBrt

>>22800592
>Everyone who has suffered intense pain and survived has become much stronger,
How can you say this? I think that's a lie. Never in my life have i been in any way stronger after i have experienced pain or suffering, if anything it was contrary, it made me weakened, broken and discouraged. I failed to prevent it or avoid it and i had to pay for it by feeling bad, and i emerged from it in a worse condition than i have before. Never in my life has an injury made me stronger, or a traumatic experience made me feel better. It all just lowers my mood and ticks off another box of things you shouldn't do unless you want to hurt yourself. Eventually you realize that whatever you do will result in hurting yourself, so you get discouraged from doing anything, since apparently everything is wrong and you should suffer for it. Fine then, if God doesn't like what i'm doing then i'll stop doing things, maybe then he'll stop... But he never stops, he has no mercy.
>>22800641
>Like Him, we will (in His Power), overcome suffering and death.
He doesn't care, he wants us to suffer, and he'll force us to suffer, and we will feel bad, and there's nothing we can do about it. Nice isn't it? No it's sad, it's incredibly sad.

>>22800660

>He doesn't care

He does.

>he wants us to suffer

He Himself suffered in part to show US the suffering cause to each each other because most of us REFUSE to know Him, be healed, and love/heal others. How else can I make this point to you? I am trying my best to console you, and I don't know how to reach you. I'm telling you that we are in a spiritual war at the very base nature of this life we are perceiving and living through. I am giving you my hand, and I am trying to lift you up. I will call the Medic for you, and I pray He Himself will lift you into the battle. I need you to get over your emotions, stand up, and fight the world (Satan) that is holding you down like a man. Make your face like flint and overcome.

https://music.youtube.com/watch?v=Yr8sYU5jQx8&si=ShUX6xj_F1WXOOyX

>>22800677
>He Himself suffered in part to show US the suffering
Why would you want someone else to suffer? It feels bad. Does God want us to feel bad? Someone needs to tell him to stop, he is doing damage. He should eliminate suffering immediately before he does any more damage.

It's crazy, how do you reason with people like that? How do you reason with God? No wonder the world is so fucked up.

>>22800686

Why would you want someone else to suffer? It feels bad. Does God want us to feel bad? Someone needs to tell him to stop, he is doing damage.

Alright, I have spoken my peace. You want someone else's words to console you. I promise he will flatter you and tell you everything you want to hear, but he won't give you the answer to your suffering (and likewise mine).

>He should eliminate suffering immediately before he does any more damage.

There are still a few left yet who will understand, and He will wait for them. I have to endure this suffering as long as His longsuffering for them will last, but I will wait for them too.

https://music.youtube.com/watch?v=EWgRgJSe2ME&si=qswFKR-F70INkgqq

>>22800704

>Why would you want someone else to suffer? It feels bad. Does God want us to feel bad? Someone needs to tell him to stop, he is doing damage.
*

>>22800677
>I'm telling you that we are in a spiritual war at the very base nature of this life we are perceiving and living through.
God should stop it. You can't reach me because you can't do anything to help me. So now you know how it feels to be powerless, how God made me feel. So unless God changes everything will remain the same and i will feel bad. You can't ignore pain, it forces you to feel bad, it's what it does, what it was designed to do.Can't avoid it. So that's it, case closed. I can't lie to myself that it makes me feel good and then actually believe it, i have no choice but to feel bad. I can never forgive God for doing this to me. And then the callnit love, like they're making fun of you.

>>22800677
>because most of us REFUSE to know Him
The more i know him the more i hate him, how is that not obvious? Because he hates me.
>and I pray He Himself will lift you into the battle. I need you to get over your emotions, stand up, and fight the world (Satan) that is holding you down like a man. Make your face like flint and overcome.
I don't want to battle anyone, why does God want me tu hurt myself? What is it with him, why is he obsessed with hurting people? Why doesn't he just kill satan? He could, he has the power? But instead he would rather see us suffer and be in pain. I don't have respect for someone who has left me to suffer and be in pain without defense.
Just a bunch of excuses to make people feel bad. Why doesn't he make people feel good for a change?
None of you people understand, nor does God. If you would you wouldn't try to convince me that i should suffer more.

Instead you people defend God. You advocate for suffering, you want people to suffer more, to experience more pain. You and him know full well that that will make us feel bad, and yet you insist, and you support God in what he does, you fight for him. I don't understand. Do you have no shame, no empathy? How can you support someone who purposefully tortures his creation without the possibility of defense. How do you excuse that?

I'm struggling to find a reason to not hate God, but he is making it hard for me. There's so many things he could have done to make me and others feel better, but he simply refuses. All i hear are excuses on why he absolutely must make us feel bad. I just don't want anything to do with someone who is forcing me to feel bad, with someone who is doing it on purpose.

>>22800242
>It is the only safe assumption to make,

Low IQ american brainlet take.

"Oh! A watch on the beach! IT MUST HAVE BEEN CONJURED BY MAGICAL WIZARDS AND PIXIES!"

- thats you. Thats your approach to the watchmaker analogy.

Its ****ing stupid.
"Nothing that hasn't been created experiences anything"
You even type like a pavement ape.

>therefore anything that has an experience has already been created

If your definition is sloppy, and says that all things that have experiences are created.
Therefore, by your argument, god is created.

Your argument is dumb, and you don't have any grasp of philosophy.
For a START, don't use no double negatives,
(nigga),
and secondly learn what a philosophical premise is.

"All men from italy are green. Mike is from Italy. Therefore Mike Is green".
Thats the form your argument takes.

Its badly shaped.

Can anyone answer any of my numerous questions or rebuke them?

>>22803584
Have you tried not being a superstitious muppet and letting dead rabbis and roman emperors tell you how to live your life without angering the spirits and goblins around you?

Seriously mate, magic isn't ****ing real.

>>22800311
I just had a thing happen to me about Sun worship twelve hours ago lol

>>22804374
I am trying to live my life my way but i can't, it's impossible.

>>22800704

>>22800677
>He Himself suffered in part to show US the suffering cause to each each other because most of us REFUSE to know Him
I don't think i understand exactly what you meant here.
Why would God decide to suffer so that he could then show us the suffering? Why first make yourself suffer so that you can then show it to someone else? Why ruin the experience for both? Could God just not have done this? Why would you make yourself suffer when you didn't suffer before, just so you can then show someone who also didn't suffer before how suffering feels? First he made himself feel bad so that he could then make us feel bad also? What's the point of that? What does it have to do with knowing him?

>>22800271
Literally me

>>22800376
This. Why do people never get this right?

>>22800424
>talking snake is just a snake
Why do people never get this right?

>>22800255
>fat

>>22800304
>gay looking

im not even gonna read this thread.
I know the majority of pagans that subscribe to paganism dont even read the religious or analytical texts and just pull shit out of their ass half the time.
It's seen all over any mentionings of it in 4chan and reddit.
if anything pure polytheism and the belief in multiple after lives while respecting the beliefs of others is the correct route
>do i believe in god
>yes
>do i worship him
>no
>if he is actually the one god am i gonna he arrogant and angry
>no
God understands the imperfections of man after flooding the earth and he himself acknowledges his own imperfection. To be angry at not worshipping him solely would be a sin to himself.

>>22800442
Slovenia is a shitty country by the way

>>22807076
Have you been here?

>>22806948
>God understands the imperfections of man after flooding the earth and he himself acknowledges his own imperfection.
Does he understand? And yet he still punishes us for them. Why doesn't he fix us instead? Will i ever be good enough for God?

Why doesn't God want us to feel good? Do you people just not care how you feel? Life must be easy if you can just decide to feel good...

>>22807189
According to the logic of the bible he punishes those who show no remorse or regret for their actions.
The bible literallt states that if you accepted god and repent at any point in time you will go to heaven or at least purgatory. Which is hilarious logic considering some woman is gonna see her sexual assaulter in heaven if that's the case
all the people that Jeffery Dahmer killed are gonna see him in heaven because he accepted god a few days before he was killed in retard prison

>>22807226
if you're talking about mortality god has been hands off since humanity bounced back

>>22807111
Yeah

>>22807675
Shame you didn't like it...

>>22807707
still there? I can help you with exactly what you need
only if you are willing to listen to Jesus Christ and have faith though
the choice is now yours to make, do you want it to stop? or not?

>>22809367
>only if you are willing to listen to Jesus Christ and have faith though
Have faith in what exactly? How does 'having faith' even work, how do i even do that? Am i supposed to lie to myself and actually believe it?
>the choice is now yours to make, do you want it to stop? or not?
Why do you need to set some conditions? Can't you just make it better?

In the beginning the word was god.
Because the word was based on unchangeable truths.
Basically, god is the truth which we developed a skill to communicate.

As we are gods when we make choices which forever alter the soul of humanity, by changing what everyone is doing in the present.

But it is clear there is a destiny for our species, we automatically evolved a certain way. Maybe the life seeds from another star system have a god older than the stars we see within the dna.

It seems there is a microscopic species which can survive frozen in space.

Perhaps the real god is RNA virions from billions of years ago, spread from supernova and collisions of planetary bodies.

>>22800317
These are just tricks to eliminate the peoples who commit sins. The lizard woman god from Ming the merciless is not a real individual, it is an opposite diety made from deception. It could manifest as some bloody possessed person playing mean tricks to test or kill people.

>>22801475
Poor thing, did god not give you enough babies to consume for free and you are resentful you must make for yourself rather than take from others?

The god that watches over us all and omnipotent is not part of our reality. Everything repeats in a way, even the big bang from the big crunch.

>>22800514
Its going to be funny when the fusion does a total photonic reversal.

You habitually soul sucking hobbits are going to have your skellingtons wacked out, brace for extinction, that fusion they sucked is going to get frozen hot :3

>>22810582
>did god not give you enough babies to consume for free
Do i really come across as someone who does that?

>>22810651
https://youtu.be/_1K94J_Aslc

Why did Adam make the wrong choice? There must have been something wrong with him, otherwise he would have made the right choice. What was it?