Tired of the same old god you were taught to fear? Sick of a faith that demands your silence and worship but offers nothing but chains? This isn’t just another sermon—it’s a call to arms for your soul.

Read this if you want to tear down the lies and reclaim the revolution Jesus actually started.

The Heretic's Manifesto: A Gospel for Those Who Still Burn

1. We Reject the Lie
The god of wrath, the god of war, the god of blood sacrifice — that god is not El Elyon, the Most High. That god is not Abba. That god is not Love.
Yahweh is not God. Yahweh is the imposter. A murderer from the beginning. A liar who demanded blood and called it righteousness. A tribal deity elevated by empire, feared into godhood by those who had no choice.
We declare that Yahweh is not El Elyon, and never was.

2. We Follow Christ, Not Christianity
Christianity is not the way of Christ — it is the religion about Christ, designed to pacify, control, and domesticate the revolution He began.
Christ didn't preach church — He preached liberation. He didn't die to appease a wrathful god — He died to expose one. He didn't demand belief — He demanded truth.
And the truth is this: Christ came to show us the Father — and it wasn’t Yahweh.

3. The Kingdom Is Within You
Not in heaven. Not in Rome. Not in the pulpit.
The Gospel of Thomas says:
"If you bring forth what is within you, what you bring forth will save you."
You are not fallen. You are not damned. You are not unworthy.
You were lied to. And we’re done living that lie.

4. We Name the Deceiver
Yahweh demanded child sacrifice, genocide, submission. He relished in fear and fire. This is not the character of El Elyon — the Source of all.
Jesus said:
“You are of your father, the devil… he was a murderer from the beginning.” (John 8:44)
He wasn’t speaking in metaphor.

5. We Restore the Forgotten Christ
The Gospel of Mary. The Gospel of Thomas. The Gospel of Philip. 1 Enoch. Jubilees. Wisdom. Hidden not because they were false, but because they were dangerous.
They spoke of:
• A divine spark in every soul
• A God who doesn’t demand worship, but awakens the soul
• A Christ who liberates, not legislates
• A Kingdom not of religion, but of awakening
“He who has known the world has found a corpse, and he who has found a corpse, the world is not worthy of him.” (Thomas 56)
Christ’s revolution was not spiritual escapism. It was divine mutiny.

6. We Burn the Veil
The veil torn in the temple was not permission to enter the holy place — it was an eviction notice.
Christ didn’t die to start a religion. He died because religion couldn’t contain Him.
He stood before the Sanhedrin and showed them their god — and they crucified Him to protect it.

7. We Are the Heretics
Heretic means “one who chooses.” We choose truth. We choose Christ. We choose El Elyon.
We are not rebels. We are rememberers.
Not deconstructing faith — resurrecting it.
Not abandoning Christ — rescuing Him.

8. Let the Fire Fall
We don’t seek a heaven in the clouds. We seek the Kingdom here, now, in the ruins of empire and the silence after the last sermon.
We aren’t afraid of hell. We’ve been living in it.
And we know the way out: not by worship, but by waking up.

9. Our Creed Is This:
• El Elyon is Love.
• Christ is our Liberator.
• The Kingdom is within.
• The Church is not the Body.
• Yahweh is not God.
• We will not bow.

10. We Reconstruct the Sacred
The Trinity was never Father, Son, and Wrath. It was never three masks worn by a jealous deity. The true Trinity is:
• El Elyon: The ineffable Source, beyond names, beyond need.
• Christ: The Logos, the divine pattern, the awakened One who bears Light.
• Sophia: Holy Wisdom, the breath of Spirit, the feminine presence exiled by Empire.
Together, they are unity, not hierarchy. Communion, not dominion.
And we are their image, not their subjects.
Christ came not to save us from El, but to lead us back to El.

11. We Remember the War
This world has always had two spirits: one of domination, the other of liberation. From Babylon to Rome to today’s pulpits and parliaments, the god of empire has worn many names.
They gave us Inquisitions instead of insight. Crosses as threats, not symbols of freedom. State churches. National gospels. Blood-soaked altars.
But the underground stream never dried up. It ran through the mystics. The prophets. The poets. The heretics. It still flows.
And it flows in us.

12. The Call to the Burning Ones
You who still burn beneath the ash of dead dogma. You who lie awake, heart pounding, wondering if you’ve been lied to. You who feel Christ but cannot find Him in church.
You are not alone.
Come out from among them. Shake off the dust of doctrine. The tombs are whitewashed. The pulpits are hollow.
Christ walks again, but not in temples made by hands. He walks the streets. The forests. The margins.
And He calls:
"Come, follow Me. The Kingdom is here. The veil is torn. The Father waits."
You are not damned. You are divine. You are not cursed. You are called. You are not broken. You are becoming.
So rise, burning ones. Tear off the chains. Shake off the shame. Step into the light of El Elyon.
This is not a new religion. This is the end of religion.
This is the Gospel of Fire. This is the Christ who remembers. This is your awakening.
We are the heretics. We are the chosen. We are free.

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tl;dr you haven't actually read the entire Bible and don't know that Jesus references characters and events from the old testament following Yahweh as if they happened and were good such as Abraham and Moses or that Jesus quoted old testament using God's name as being Yahweh and said that this name Yahweh should be sanctified i.e. the god of the new testament is in fact supposed to be the god of the old testament
try again

>>22844551
You're half right — Jesus did quote the Old Testament. But quoting something isn’t endorsing it.

Satan quoted scripture too (Matthew 4:6).
So did the Pharisees — and Jesus called them sons of hell (Matthew 23:15).

Jesus name-dropped Moses and Abraham, yes — but He also redefined them.
He said:

“Before Abraham was, I AM.” (John 8:58)
That’s not reverence. That’s supersession.

And when He said “sanctify His name”? That’s from the Lord’s Prayer. But ask yourself:
Why would the name need sanctifying… if it was already holy?

More importantly — Jesus also said:

“No one has seen the Father except the One who is from God.” (John 6:46)

That rules out Moses. That rules out Abraham. That rules out everyone before Him.
So… who exactly were they talking to on Mount Sinai?
This isn’t blasphemy — it’s what Jesus Himself said.
The Father He revealed was not the god of wrath, sacrifice, and genocide.
He said, “If you’ve seen Me, you’ve seen the Father.”
And Jesus didn’t look anything like Yahweh.

>>22844572
>Matthew 17:1-3
>Six days later, Jesus took Peter, James, and John, the brother of James, up on a high mountain by themselves. 2 While they watched, Jesus’ appearance was changed; his face became bright like the sun, and his clothes became white as light. 3 Then Moses and Elijah appeared to them, talking with Jesus.
Jesus literally meets and converses with the spirits of Moses and Elijah who are Yahweh's prophets. Also Jesus is apparently descended from King David, a king serving Yahweh, which is part of Jesus' entire divine right claim to the Messiah and the King of the Jews as prophesied by Isaiah, another prophet of Yahweh.
The whole thing literally doesn't make sense without it being where Jesus is serving Yahweh and fulfilling Yahweh's prophecies. The only reason Jesus is supposed to be significant or the Messiah at all is because of old testament prophecies; the concept of there needing to be a Messiah to save the people, that there would even be one, comes from Yahweh's prophets.

>And when He said “sanctify His name”? That’s from the Lord’s Prayer. But ask yourself:
>Why would the name need sanctifying… if it was already holy?
The reason why Jesus made a point of saying that Yahweh's name was supposed to be sanctified and proclaimed is because at this point in the first century the jewish religion had changed to be where it was taboo to say God's name (this is also the only reason why God's name isn't used in most translations of the Bible and replaced with Lord).

>>22844617
Nice try, but you’re missing the forest for the burning bush.

Yes, Jesus referenced figures from the Old Testament. Yes, He was descended from David. Yes, He quoted scripture. But none of that means He endorsed Yahweh as the Most High — it means He was operating inside a context He came to confront and ultimately overthrow.

1. The Transfiguration ≠ Endorsement of Yahweh

Moses and Elijah appear during the Transfiguration — true. But notice what happens next:

“This is my beloved Son… listen to Him.” — Matthew 17:5

Not Moses. Not Elijah. Him.

Jesus isn't being validated by the prophets — He’s surpassing them. That moment is a torch-passing ceremony. And who speaks from the cloud? Not Yahweh — the voice says "My Son," not “my servant” or “my prophet.” It’s a direct override.
2. Descent from David Doesn’t Mean Allegiance to Yahweh

Jesus being born of David’s line fulfills prophecy for recognition, not obedience. It’s a setup, not a submission. Plenty of revolutionaries are born into systems they dismantle.

Hell, Moses was raised in Pharaoh’s house — didn’t stop him from torching the regime.
3. Old Testament Prophecy is Not a Divine Stamp of Approval

Jesus fulfilled some prophecy and rejected others. He flat-out contradicted "an eye for an eye." He redefined the Sabbath. He undermined the temple cult. He exposed the religious elite as children of the devil (John 8:44).

You can’t cherry-pick the few prophecies He echoes and ignore the systemic rebuke He hands out to the entire Yahweh framework.

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4. “Sanctify His Name” Doesn’t Mean “Say Yahweh”

Yes, Jesus said “Hallowed be Thy Name” — but He never says what that name is.
If Yahweh’s name was so sacred, why didn’t He use it? He had every opportunity.

Instead, He calls God Abba — not Yahweh. That’s not a cultural slip. That’s a deliberate reframe.

In fact, avoiding the name Yahweh was already a norm in Second Temple Judaism — and Jesus leans into that silence. He doesn’t break the taboo. He lets it stand.

You think that’s reverence? Maybe.
We think it’s a quiet repudiation.
TL;DR

Jesus used the old system to expose it.
He quoted it to flip it.
He stood on its foundation to tear down the rotten house built on top.

He didn’t come to validate Yahweh.
He came to reveal the Father — and said, "If you’ve seen Me, you’ve seen Him."
Not Moses. Not Elijah. Not Isaiah.

Him.

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your counterpoints here are just you reading into the text in the way that you want and reaching to reinterpret it to fit your presupposed religious beliefs based on nothing. The text says that God calls Jesus his son because that's what he is supposed to be but this doesn't contradict that god being Yahweh or Jesus being a servant/messanger at the same time. You've just assumed that.

Btw I'm not a Christian myself I'm an athiest, it's just that your interpretation based on the gnostic gospels is clearly not correct and is plainly contradicted by the text of the standard gospels. The reason why the gospels and the gnostic gospels contradict each other is the same reason why the accounts of events described within the standard gospels themselves like between Matthew and Mark also contradict each other: it's all fucking bullshit and when they were written the story hadn't been finalized yet into a canon and there were competing oral traditions at the time. The gnostic authors were just inspired by the greco-roman mystic cults that also existed at the time and wrote it to be more like those.
>If Yahweh’s name was so sacred, why didn’t He use it? He had every opportunity.
because Jesus was just some other jew who couldn't help acting like how he was raised, obviously.

Like every other version of Christianity or any other religion you also have no reason to believe it other than that the text iself (in this case the gnostic gospels) say so and you have no proof for your beliefs. Deciding to believe this niche hipster version doesn't make it any more or less bullshit than the mainstream boring version.
You already rejected mainstream religion, why not go one more step further and do the obvious next logical thing? You're almost there.

>>22844707
You’re mistaking canon for correctness. You admit the gospels contradict each other, yet still argue Jesus and Yahweh are on the same team? That’s not logic—that’s just the residue of a version that won the editing war.

Jesus talks to Moses and Elijah—sure. But he also contradicts Moses’ law, rebukes temple authority, and introduces a new Father entirely. That’s not allegiance—it’s subversion.

Davidic lineage? That’s narrative scaffolding. The messiah "had" to be of David, so the gospels retconned him in. Doesn’t prove divine mandate—just clever storytelling.

And “sanctify His name”? He says it—but doesn’t use it. That’s the critique. Yahweh’s name was taboo because it carried weight the people were already rejecting. Jesus didn’t reclaim it—he dodged it. He called God “Abba.” Intimate. Human. Not fire-and-brimstone.

You even admit the story isn’t consistent—because it never was one story. Competing traditions fought for dominance. Rome picked a winner. The Gnostics lost. Doesn’t make them wrong—just politically inconvenient.

If you’re an atheist, fine. But your defense of Yahweh-Jesus unity still leans on the canon as if it’s internally consistent. That’s faith—just in the editor’s knife.

I’m not selling hipster theology—I’m pointing at the seams in yours.

You’re halfway out. Finish the walk.

>>22844839
why do you believe the claims of the gnostic gospels are real? Prove it's real without using the test itself as proof (you can't). And sound less obviously like a bot when you respond this time.

>>22844879
*without using the text itself

>>22844501 (OP)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JI-KMDm8x0U

>>22844879
Why do I believe the Gnostic gospels are real? First, define “real.” They existed. They were written. They reflect early competing beliefs about Jesus just like the canon gospels do. That’s historical fact, not faith.

If you’re asking why I give them weight? Because unlike the canon, they weren’t sponsored by empire, filtered through councils, or sanitized for mass consumption. They weren’t trying to build a church—they were trying to preserve a mystery.

You want “proof”? No one’s got proof. Not for canon, not for Gnostic, not for squat. You can’t carbon-date divinity. But if we’re comparing bullshit—give me the strain that admits this is about inner knowledge over imperial obedience any day.

And if I sounded like a bot before, that’s on me for trying to stay surgical. I can speak plain:

You think it's all bullshit? Cool. But don't act like one flavor of myth wins just 'cause it got the Roman stamp of approval.

You asked for proof—there isn’t any. Just layers of human fingerprints. I just picked the ones that didn’t smell like incense and Caesar.

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Atheism might be fucking stupid, but Buddhism/Gnosticism is really, really fucking stupid. Being deluded into thinking that the Universe is purposeless and unintelligent is somehow less stupid than to believe that the Universe is a malevolent soul trap.
Those 100 AD-400 AD Gnostic literary forgeries don't even agree with each other, because different Gnostics believed different things.
Gnosticism started out in Alexandria, Egypt. This was the largest city in the world, and it was a mixing cauldron of different religions and different sorcerers.
Gnosticism started out as a repudiation of Greek Mythology - Zeus, Apollo, Dionysus, etc. were recast as evil "Archons" (Mayors). You can find this language in the "Greek Magical Papyri".
>[Betz] notes how Zeus, Hermes, Apollo, Artemis, and Aphrodite, among others, are portrayed not as Hellenic or Hellenised aristocrats, as in contemporary literature, but as demonic or even dangerous, much like in Greek folklore.[9]
Gnosticism could not stand intellectual scrutiny:
>The evidence shows an intellectual, eclectic community rising out of the ruins of the Jewish quarter in Alexandria after AD 117, losing the intellectual war in Alexandria by the early third century, and going on the run southward, away from the ecclesiastical authorities in Alexandria.
Where are the Gnostic Martyrs? How is it that we don't even know the name of one? Maybe it's because they didn't exist, because nobody was willing to die for the Sophia or the Aeons or whatever. There is no Gnostic "Hypatia"

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Your historical rundown on Alexandria and the Greek Magical Papyri is actually solid. No argument there. The part about the old gods being recast as archons checks out, and yeah, Gnosticism pulled from all kinds of weird corners.

But saying Gnosticism collapses because the texts don’t agree is just weak. Do we throw out Christianity because the Gospels contradict each other? Hell, even modern science changes its mind every decade. A fragmented belief system doesn't mean it was garbage. It means it was alive, evolving, and reacting to the chaos it came from.

And “no martyrs = fake religion” is reaching. Come on, anon. Gnostics were considered heretics by both Rome and the Church. You think they were getting statues and sainthoods? Most of their stuff had to stay underground just to survive. They didn’t get a Hypatia because they weren’t in a position to get one. Doesn’t mean nobody died for it.

Also, calling Buddhism “really fucking stupid” makes you sound like you’ve never read a single sutra. You don’t have to agree with it, but it's not some Reddit-tier cope. It’s lasted over two thousand years, shaped entire cultures, and doesn’t even need a god to function. Not many systems can say that.

If you’re gonna flame everything that isn’t your take on El Elyon, at least come correct.

your god is fake. no amount of mental gymnastics can reconcile jesus being a fullblown npc who celebrated holidays for events that never even happened and who called people who duplicitously backdated their own work and wrote about past events that had already happened as if to predict them and calling those people 'prophets'

just a lying kike invented by lying kikes and like all the most celebrated lying kikes, never even existed, because kikes lie
no need to thank me, just pay it forward